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Between 2020-10-30 00:00:00Z and 2020-10-31 00:00:00Z

I noticed that ddnet started to avoid political stance in terms of flags.

02:39

tee_thinking

02:44

the fact that traditional chinese in ddnet got a default flag is just sad. the translation is indeed taiwan chinese instead of Cantonese in terms of word usage. The fact that chinese ppl is ultra sensitive and only see things at face value when they see a taiwan flag but have no problem with a hk flag or even macau flag is just sad.

02:49

But that being said. Always thought using flag to represent language is kinda stupid.

u saying this flag is replaced by default

just in language setting I think

02:54

In ddnet

02:54

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02:54

^Also why flag as language is stupid

ohh hmm ya true

02:55

wait german shows a swiss flag wtf?

02:55

a lot of flags are kinda wrong

It is one of their offical languages

ya but swiss certainly is not the flag to represent the german language if there even is a flag that does

If you only attach flag in the sense of countries. Which some ppl do only see them as country instead of country or language.

02:58

But ye. It is probably a chinese thing since our language is split and scattered within and outside of the official "china" which is currently the mainland+HongKong+macau (edited)

03:01

But chinese ppl are educated to include taiwan as well. Which causes a lot of problem. (Plus the fact a war towards taiwan is being hinted by gov)

sounds like indoctrination

Probably

03:03

Personally I don't care that much. But I don't like how ppl see things that doesn't exist like the political stance in a open-source and semi-old game. (edited)

03:04

But I do think we need to address the language situation a little bit. Currently it is china that has problem with it. Who knows what would change in like 5 years.

03:08

But I don't want to just remove flags from the language settings either. sonk

sonk

well isn't this a steam issue anyway?

thonk

i mean we are using taiwan flag with trad chinese

03:22

and the steam thing is just a example of "technically correct". steam isn't like that

this image is cursed

but in the least, the country label gotta go

03:24

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03:25

like let's not talk about hong kong or taiwan. but macau is definitely not a "country" nor does it have the tendency to become one currently. (edited)

03:25

blobfacepalm

03:26

just change it to "flag" or something in the UI.

hmm maybe we should add Republic of Kekistan flag if we have flags that ain't "countries"

03:34

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thonk

well if we want it to be just flags

03:34

just add every flag exists in emoji

03:35

which is pretty standard eh

lol north korea flag

thonk

why not

03:39

just add everything and distance us from everything at the same time lol

one of the few that they actually got right

03:39

they still managed to get wrong

while we're at it. change master server to list server as well

tw needs to embrace meme culture

03:42

:justatest:

03:43

pepe emote doesn't show up

thonk

03:53

justatest

1

03:54

blobfacepalm

we should make a list of things internet ppl can attack us with and removes them lol (edited)

with adding Kekistani flag you can only win

i realize i don't want to open a issue either. scared of ppl jumping on the "justice" train

04:52

would it be rude if I just talk to oy on irc. thonk

thonk

i mean i don't know him at all.

04:56

but i keep getting disconnected ~~due to china~~

Which flag are you talking about?

country flags in general. Some of them are not country. And language flags that may trigger some ppl

08:06

Mainly taiwan. But that's current.

Any example of countryflags that are not a country? There is a special tag for those

Macau and HongKong(hopefully)

When it comes to country flags we usually go by FIFA rules

I'm just saying we shouldn't label them as "Country" in the UI.

08:07

In turns we can add more.

I believe HK is a country by FIFA rules

dabbing

08:09

Yeah...

08:09

But I mean..

08:09

You know (edited)

So we go with that as has been our policy

08:09

Catalonia isn't so we don't have it as a country flag

08:09

It's available as a language flag though

08:11

Macao I believe isn't in that case though. We have it as a country flag?

I think we do

08:11

Remember seeing one recently. Let me double check

08:11

Maybe ddnet added it

We probably overlooked something them

But the HongKong thing is..still

08:12

Let's just say topical

As long as it has a FIFA team it's in

08:13

That's how we avoided political issues in the past

Raging ppl probably don't care about what fifa says

Then there's nothing we can do short of taking political stances

Can't we just say they are just flags

08:13

Instead of country

I like the idea of blaming FIFA :D

08:14

Though Macau sounds like an issue we gotta fix

Sure. Just saying it is gonna be a hell of explaining when CJK is a thing and we started to get more ppl.

08:15

But I like the unicode route more. So we just have the idea of flags in general

I mean if we start to get into that we'll get people asking us to remove israeli flag etc

08:16

Even Discord has it

I'm not saying we should remove it

08:17

I'm saying we should add more and stop saying they are countries

I see

Using the unicode flags rule instead of the fifa one

08:17

Which is more safe imo

That's a lot of flags

08:18

You are going to have people asking for french regional flags for example

Maybe just use twemoji since it is open source. Need to check the license to be sure.

Feel free to chat with oy btw

Do unicode has french regional flags

08:19

tee_thinking

08:19

Curious

08:20

Discord is using twemoji iirc.

Brittany is an emoji on twitter iirc

08:22

Don't think it was approved by the Unicode comittee tho

We can probably stick to unicode.

08:26

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08:26

We do have macao as a country lol

we need those flags, they are pretty!

We do

08:35

tee_thinking

good for cool flags pros use ^^

dabbing

had some digging

09:15

We are indeed using ISO 3166 tee_thinking

tee_thinking

which both HongKong and Macao are listed as country

09:16

But there's an "independent" field in the ISO spec where taiwan hk and mo are marked as NO.

09:16

justatest

but we would probably have difficulty convey the entire ISO standard with just a flag.

is this overkill?

16:28

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16:28

full name should provide better search for country flags EeveeShy

EeveeShy

(edited)

there is a search bar?

there wasn't

16:30

i want one

sounds cool!

16:31

don't see the use for the independent flag though

16:31

sounds like politics

and the independent thing is specified in ISO 3166, maybe a toggle to allow user to hide them (again, for the taiwan thing.)

16:31

thonk

if we use ISO3166 might as well use the entire thing.

16:32

but i need to ask oy about this of course.

16:32

I see you guys have some country hidden already

right, well he's online

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they're not countries

16:33

they're language flags

no, not the custom ones

oh?

the ISO3166 ones

not aware of those

16:33

why are they not used?

I checked, they are marked as non independent in ISO3166. want to make sure the reason of them not being used (edited)

well you can ask Oy, maybe he knows

already asked

16:34

no reply yet

ah

16:34

IRC discourages PMs usually, unless necessary

oh

16:34

didn't know saddog

saddog

well I guess it's up to everyone in the end

https://www.teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=rules/irc_rules

saddog

i'm stupid. but what do i do now. do i just state it again in the channel

it's fine, I just think it's more appropriate to discuss those matters publicly

16:36

don't be so hard on yourself

@TsFreddie unicode just shifted the responsibility to ISO3166

cool

@heinrich5991 don't they already support more stuff than ISO3166?

apart from some separately encoded flags, country flags in unicode are just two letters

16:48

the flag for germany e.g. is

16:48

REGIONAL INDICATOR D + REGIONAL INDICATOR E

so like the scotland flag is a separate encoding apart from the country ones right

(edited)

A separate mechanism (emoji tag sequences) is used for regional flags, such as England

, Scotland

, Wales

, Texas

or California

[12] It uses U+1F3F4

WAVING BLACK FLAG and formatting tag characters instead of regional indicator symbols.

16:49

from wikipedia

i see

16:50

still, need to solve the mystery of the unused codes. so i know how i feel about the china situation :P

you mean if you use two letters that aren't in ISO3166?

there are ISO3166 codes not being used in teeworlds. see the screenshot above. (edited)

ah

16:51

are these just for languages maybe?

languages are handled in the "custom" json object

16:51

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16:52

these "not used" ones are indeed ISO3166 codes

@heinrich5991 huh, California has a country code?

https://discord.com/channels/407308363031117832/510879693982007316/771777818614431785

thonk

he just said it.

17:03

(so basically teeworlds already uses unicode flags with only Texas and California missing)

17:03

(plus whatever the unused ones)

yeah, that's the message I'm reacting to

but it clearly says emoji tag sequences for regional flags.

[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #2800 Make vote reason limited by utf8 characters instead of chars.

Currently it fits maybe 3 chinese characters.

Oh

21:19

Is f.e. = for each

21:19

bluestripe

21:20

5AM brain is not working

f.e. = for example

man

21:25

this make so much sense

e.g. = for example

22:18

wat

22:19

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/eg

e.g. is the latin equivalent of f.e.. An alternative would be i.e.

verified info, was wrong ^^

i.e. is latin and means "id est" @Stiopa

22:49

All good

I checked that long ago and misremembered ^^

Errors are human

22:50

Which makes my code borderline super human.

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