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it's the 2b2t discord ?

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hack

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@Stiopa what is that?

looks like water physics

@gerdoe wah. pyuh wah

10:42

(experiment with water tile prototype, want to test out physics) (edited)

messing with physics with this is really enjoyable

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nice map border

automap ftw

12:15

took time and fixed it

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13:36

still experimenting

how did you make the water tiles, just regular tiles?

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13:38

the water and laser being underwater is just an illusion

13:38

since I don't know how to add extra "game" layers xd

cool

13:38

that might work tbh

I am mostly experimenting with possible physics (with tunes) and possible usage in gameplay

13:39

weapons & pickups hard to get to due to being underwater etc

keep doing that

and most of all, learning new things in c++ and having fun

can I reference CCharacter in CCharacterCore? (edited)

You probably shouldn't

15:49

If you really need to, you can do what ddrace did, we just added a new field for it and we set it every tick

I see, I see

the core has to work on client side as well. for the prediction

Yeah, that's why it's not a great idea to mess around with the core

15:50

(you ofc can, provided you are careful)

for water, you have to

makes sense well I wanted to modify a movement value based on parameter within the respective CCharacter

Ah, you are doing water?

yeah, if you are adding in for both client and server, then do it

I am trying to do some testing with water yeah

but referencing CCharacter might have some problem

wanted to add a DivingGear bool

@Stiopa though I'd probably argue that your parameter should be a part of the core in that case

hmmm, that'd make sense

15:53

okay I think I know how to do it. thx for the help

yep, works, but without prediction, as expected. lol

nvm, managed to fix prediction

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16:42

fuck it, the void is too brutal. vast swathes of ocean on ctf5 await (edited)

then you can take the flag and camp in water near the death border

and stupidly die by laser chad

of course

Have you checked how water works in infNext?

19:32

is it any different than a tune_zone with gravity=-0.2?

19:34

DDNet server sends a fake_tune to 0.7 and it works nice there too

yes I did see it! @Deleted User

Would like to borrow this technique to my mod too if it will become more advanced

well, what I am doing is both client and serverside

19:44

when teeworlds compiles, it uses the game.png and the client_data from the out folder?

I just learned that content.py is responsible for many files the HARD way

yo @Zatline you are an artist right?

I am I think yea

and by that I mean that I know

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that you are one

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therefore

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rate my breath icon

20:16

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in the top left

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isn't it pretty?

hmm u want me to be honest right

oh hell yeah be honest, nothing can beat that icon!

it looks like an ice cube (edited)

assymetric, two color piece of modern art

20:17

ice cube? air bubble? same thing

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most important that it works

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now I have a beta with 5 tuning parameters, working water tile, invisible diving gear pickup

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and basic water physics

20:18

oh, and drowning

sounds great

20:19

we gotta start somewhere

well, this is mostly for gameplay tests

of course I mean that should be first priority anyway

no good gameplay = no water probably

yea pretty much

https://github.com/Stiopa866/teeworlds/tree/harpoon my src is here for this

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harpoon time

one known issue, when using content.py one weapon in enum is not added

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(WEAPON_HARPOON) and an error is given

i need to look up what a harpoon is

(professional art included)

is harpoon a handheld thing or a shooty thing

20:23

(what am i talking about

I think the latter is the harpoon gun?

20:24

I just simplified it to harpoon

20:24

tbh I cannot fathom that this thing works

20:25

during zesc modernization I had bugs at every step, here I didn't have to worry that much

btw, i'd recommend seperate weapon and water into two branches

20:26

we can probably make water backward compatible

hmm

20:26

but then trying out both at once would require a third branch, with both branches merged together, right?

ye

20:27

well no

20:27

you have a water one and a water and harpoon one

ah

20:27

yeah that sounds good

20:27

would solve the issue with compilation everytime the python script is launched

anyway, we can back port part of it, do whatever

oh, one more feature of the branch I forgot, gun,shotgun and grenades are unusable underwater and their bullets disappear while touching it atm (probably should make it into a bool tune)

bad habit of shooting suggestions out of my a

@Stiopa can you send gameplay video here?

unfortunately I can't, for I do not have recording software (edited)

20:29

actually

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I can make a demo? or will it not work without the right client?

no it wont

oh yeah if u want to test it, don't forget to change the server gametype to mod, so as not to get netbanned :P

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current tunes

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oh, one more feature of the branch I forgot, gun,shotgun and grenades are unusable underwater and their bullets disappear while touching it atm (probably should make it into a bool tune)

@Stiopa it be cool if we could make projectiles leave the baarrel at high velocity but instantly slow down and start to just float after a certain distance

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check this for reference https://youtu.be/L4Y4GUmvPkU?t=98

well

20:34

I wanted to do that, but I ran into the issue of projectile pos being calculated based on the amount of ticks they existed, curvature and speed

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or at least that's how I understood the code (which I hope is right)

20:35

hence I opted out for the destruction

@Stiopa have you seen actual WaterMod sources?

20:38

water was rather advanced there

20:38

not just gravity and curves I mean (edited)

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though I didn't digged into that very much

not really

20:39

also, I just noticed that my diving gear instead of preventing you from drowning, makes you drown

~~why everybody code this fast, i can't do that much in two days~~

you talking about the water stuff?

ye

I spent an entire day on this :D

20:41

some breaks for teeworlds vanilla ofc

also, I just noticed that my diving gear instead of preventing you from drowning, makes you drown

do you have enemies?

20:41

IRL I mean

why would I? :P

it looks that somebody hacked your drowning gear to arrange an accident

lol

I spent an entire day on this :D

@Stiopa i spent an entire day on menus, didn't do much

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EeveeShy

why everybody code this fast, i can't do that much in two days

because they just adding new simple features, not refactoring a 10 old year mess

menus are probably harder

20:43

oh yeah, also diving gear removes the water decel and floating values

20:43

so basically water becomes air

also everything serverside in this game is much simpler that anything clientside I guess

(I can't do swimming mechanics for the love of me)

(we don't have a up and a down key)

server code is self-contained, it talks with client only. Client has to talk with a ton of layers and systems like GL and so on (edited)

another bug, drown crashes the server

you don't have to learn anything to make server mod. You just hack

20:45

in worst case you will peek into a client network code

20:45

or place one debug once a month into it

i made client hack before. don't know how i did it. because it is giving me headache rn (edited)

that's why I've chosen to be a backend engineer

20:46

anything frontend consists of constantly evolving things depends on other constantly evolving things

20:47

you can just a backend and a frontend have to adapt to an API you give

20:47

In web dev world I mean

20:47

I've tried to be a full-stack, but burned up very soon

i mean css/html or something like vuejs wasnt that bad

if you like it, it's ok

but teeworlds is meh

another bug, tuning the length of drowning breaks the breath indicator

doggo_lol

20:49

i do care ux in terms how the ui respond. but it was pretty hard to do anything in tws (edited)

crash bug fixed

I would love the whole teeworlds to be rewritten on something like C# so I will not get memory corruption and segfaults

20:50

but it will not happen so I have to learn C++ memory management like every man should :] (edited)

20:51

~~I will be a master in just 10 years~~ (edited)

how more complicated is c++ compared to c# ?

Syntax is about the same level.

20:53

But I've never experienced any memory problems with unity/C# that I get here (edited)

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alright

20:53

ok that should all about water from me for today

can't remember who's code i've stolen for my old client

all memory management in C++ is so low-level and unsafe

20:53

and really hard to do right for a noob

but i remember my scoreboard was pretty cool (not really)

especially with structures from 90x that are common in tw code (edited)

I of course recommend to check my stuff out

all ya need to do is to clone, create autoexec making the server mod, compile server, compile client, make a map that has a tile with the water (in game layer) and voi-la!

20:55

good lord, I am tired

thought you would provide a premade map

@Stiopa too lazy, just give me IP to connecti with a vanilla

either due to 4h of sleep or 10+ h of coding

20:55

it is not vanilla compatible

probably both

either due to 4h of sleep or 10+ h of coding

are you narcoleptic? you falling asleep while coding? ;) (edited)

no, I thought I'd wake up in 6h but I was wrong

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it was 4h

have you eaten

enough

20:56

yes

Ah, I've read it like "4th of sleep"

doggo_lol

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here is the vast oceans of ctf5 map

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dm7 fork with a pool in the bottom part

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why water at all, @Stiopa ?

cuz oy said yes

cause I want to test it ingame

why this enhacement?

oy said "design discussion"

can we make it more like minetee?

what isn't a good way to test it other than ingame?

he said yes if we can design it well in irc

20:57

iirc

and the build should help to see the flaws in design etc

https://youtu.be/aCVueivH-EM?t=129

MineTee - Slowly Development Progress

one can build maps with this I suppose

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well TBH

20:58

liquid tunings allow for making trampolines

doggo_lol

tune liq_x_decel -1.1 makes a trampoline that puts you higher and higher

just see how liquids work here

to have flowing water is one of the final goals I think

20:59

idk, I just want to have a working game example of physics

20:59

well "proposed" physics made by me

terraria/minecraft/minetee would be ok I think

after you fixed your bugs you should post it under the issue

with a bit of customization though ofc

21:00

well, I will work on it tomorrow, sadly I have a 12h busy day ahead of me before I come home >:

anyway flowing water is not decorative right?

21:00

so server will know and could change map structure?

current bug I am aware of is the bubble gui messy with tuned values

21:01

besides that the icons for new pickups are weird

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a early version should be fine. if the discussion doesn't go well, better change it earlier than right before you completed everything ^^

well, first gimme 30 mins, then I will try to post it under the issue

21:02

now; brb

making the water is simple, making it iteractive and updatable is hard task

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cause there is no protocol to change a map serverside

wait you don't have to do it now, you should get some sleep

@Stiopa go buy a Melaxen to fight your coffee and get sleep bro. You're amazing (edited)

i think it was discussed to have a flow path. like a fixed water fall

21:03

but i might be wrong

then it's nothing new

too lazy to check issues

21:03

it is for vanilla tho

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anyway

and it's effectively a tune zone

i should go back looking at menus

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~~wait i lost my onion rings~~

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~~i remember i ordered some onion rings, can't find them~~

it would be really cool if we would end up with a fully interactable sim at the end that flows down drags tees with the direction it flows eventually if there is an emitter that constantly spawns water you would need a draining system to let the water exit the map or else the whole map would drown over time but for making things simple we should probably focus on the overall gameplay first and dynamic splash and ripple effects are gonna be a challenge even without water flowing under the rules of gravity

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I think simple rules could be made to calculate a direction of a flow even with a tile-based flow.

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I mean both the spread of substance and the direction of a force it should produce for a tee submerged in it.

21:14

But still it will require a server to be at least aware of that model or it will desyncronise.

21:15

Would love to see a server telling a client "place water tile INSTEAD of any tile that is there currently on X, Y and apply a force towards left-bottom of a tile to any tee passing it" (edited)

21:15

So many things could be made with that protocol change. And I cannot imagine dynamic water flows working without it. (edited)

For that thing we need a code wizard!

21:25

Also, I think I will just go straight to sleep

21:25

I'd like to sleep properly

21:27

I'd appreciate if someone put my repo on the issue, mentioned the 6 tunes, special tile, tube for disabling selection of projectiles in water, drowning etc

21:28

And maybe a video for @gerdoe

And for me. Don't get what are you doing and what is done.

Dynamic water simulations are kinda far fetched honestly

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