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Between 2020-09-20 00:00:00Z and 2020-09-21 00:00:00Z
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Sonix 2020-09-20 07:40:35Z
@Dune maybe we should reopen gameplay discussions that were moved to forum
07:41
There is way more ppl on github now than on forums
07:42
Those issues/discussions got forgotten basically
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 07:46:31Z
yeah these discussions seem to be pretty much dead
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Dune 2020-09-20 09:36:17Z
@Sonix they were really polluting the github and inviting a lot of agressive ppl/comments
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 11:53:42Z
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TsFreddie
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request opened: #2747 Various Improvements of Demo Browser
closes #2738 other than the problems stated in the issue:
  • Reduce Length column width for aesthetics.
  • Prevent demo detail from rendering before demo info is fetched.
  • Remove redundant check that prevents dropdown toggle from showing if the demo is invalid.
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 12:03:50Z
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TsFreddie
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request opened: #2748 Flip Menu Transparency Setting's Number
This changes how the number are displayed. Map the range from [0, 75] to [100, 25]. closes #2739
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 12:39:29Z
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TsFreddie
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request opened: #2749 DemoPlayer: Prevent Messages Being Processed Before Snaps
fixes #2736
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 12:58:18Z
whoa. slow down there. or else you might become a second Robyt 😄 @TsFreddie
12:58
jk, keep it up 🙂
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 12:59:04Z
thonk these are just one-liners.
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 12:59:23Z
I didn't look into the content
12:59
I just saw a couple of PRs in quick succession
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 12:59:47Z
thonk i can submit more
12:59
but i really need some lunch
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:26:29Z
ok, i have this stupid idea
16:26
https://streamable.com/spfvke
❤️ 4
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 16:29:11Z
The Holy Trinity.
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 16:29:32Z
but if all tees in select menu will watch on your cursor...
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:29:37Z
oof
16:29
let me try that
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 16:30:15Z
also kind of creepy lol
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:31:01Z
oh no
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 16:31:02Z
teeworlds helloween edition
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:31:15Z
oh hell no
16:32
https://streamable.com/8vu2og
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 16:32:26Z
silly, I love it
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 16:32:32Z
cursed music
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:33:06Z
oh right, my sound card is doing some stupid bass boost for some reason
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:42:10Z
we probably shouldn't do the entire page. just the three at the top should be cute enough.
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Sonix 2020-09-20 16:43:03Z
are u working on #2583? @TsFreddie 😛
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 16:44:10Z
yes
16:44
got sidetracked a bit.dogchoke
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 16:44:54Z
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Robyt3
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request opened: #2750 Fix envelopes resetting to time 0 on demo/world pause
When a demo / the server game world is paused, the envelopes were reset to time 0 which rapidly changes their position. This is fixed by declaring the time as static, so it persists over pausation of the demo and the world. The m_EnvelopeUpdate flag is removed because it was only ever being set to true (when first seeking to a position), at which point the paused-state of the demo player is ignored and the envelopes begin working properly. There is a separate issue with the game world b...
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Sonix 2020-09-20 16:46:20Z
haha nice 😄
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 16:53:22Z
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Robyt3
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #2751 Envelopes, particles etc. not paused when game world of demo is paused
Envelopes, particles etc. are not properly paused when the game world of the demo that's being played back in the demo player is paused. While #2750 fixes some pausing issues with envelopes, this issue also affects things like pickups moving. Demo in which the game world is paused and unpaused: worldpaused.zip
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 17:58:17Z
@TsFreddie plssss, best feature ever
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 18:08:10Z
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TsFreddie
[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #2752 RFC: Interactive entities
Disclaimer: These are coming from a discussion in Chinese community today, I might not be able to express their collective thoughts fully. But I've tried to categorize their request in the form of the following features. In short: How about adding things like boxes (rigid bodies) and moving platforms (kinematics). I'm pretty sure moving platforms have been discussed before, although I would imagine standable and/or hookable platforms/things cannot be in the tilemap. Instead, we ma...
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 18:11:04Z
saddog sorry, there were some vocal people in the chinese community who really want these. I collected some thoughts and opened this issue. don't know if is it confusing, but it does confuse me a little bit.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:11:45Z
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the country flag is a little big
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 19:17:11Z
what is TBD?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:17:19Z
i don't know
19:17
"to be determined"
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 19:17:38Z
ah
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:29:00Z
I can crash a 0.7.5 client (and F-Client) easily with a server command. Interested?
19:29
Found it just testing obvious and seems to be a harmless thing
19:29
DDNet is not affected
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redix 2020-09-20 19:36:34Z
There are several ways to crash a client. Malformed maps, broken snapshots and probably some other stuff... being able to crash with a simple command isn't good though 😮
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 19:37:11Z
depends on the command, I suppose
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:38:33Z
ddnet client sends this just fine and displays 9-line broadcast ~nicely
19:38
at least it does not crashes 😄
19:39
and there is still a possibility that it crashes other connected clients too (edited)
19:39
started two teeworlds, both crashed
19:40
(I mean not the only one who invoked a command)
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:40:09Z
broadcast code is pretty jank
19:40
i rewrote it in the textrender PR
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:40:21Z
Yeah, but still
19:41
Deleted this just in case it's sensitive
19:41
Though other players on my server saw I am experimenting
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:41:25Z
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yeah, it is the janky broadcast code
19:41
fixed in PR
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:41:50Z
You have fixed it... already?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:41:52Z
yes
19:41
in TextRender refactor
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:41:59Z
Ah... in your feature branch
19:42
I don't know if that's critical though
19:42
I could adapt this to crashban players 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:42:51Z
there are better ways to crash all clients
19:43
just saying. player might not like a crash ban tho
19:44
doggo_lol I didn't actively fix broadcast, just the jank code is happened to be replaced with new textrender calls. idk who wrote the colored broadcast. it was pretty weird. (edited)
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redix 2020-09-20 19:44:50Z
does not crash for me 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:45:13Z
thonk on master?
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redix 2020-09-20 19:45:24Z
0.7.5
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:45:36Z
oof. then might be unrelated
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redix 2020-09-20 19:45:46Z
maybe undefined behavior... compiler dependant
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:45:53Z
probably has nothing to do with me
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:45:56Z
by a chance does colored broadcast have a background now?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:46:11Z
they did. it was just too transparent
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:46:19Z
wow, nice
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:46:28Z
just a slightly shadow effect.
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:46:31Z
you don't mean outline, but a background like in motd, right?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:46:36Z
i agree we should increase the intensity
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:46:37Z
it's outline
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:46:59Z
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i mean this
19:47
it is pretty hard to tell. it was always there
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:47:10Z
a proper outline would be better
19:47
or a background which is cheaper I think
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:47:35Z
i think increase the intensity of that shadow would work as well
19:47
either way
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:47:53Z
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The problem is if the background is white you will outline only right bottom side of letters with shadow
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:48:22Z
you can use darker color broadcast for 0.7, they already has outline that way. (edited)
19:48
try broadcast ^000abc
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:48:58Z
yeah, outline
19:49
but this is weird.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:49:11Z
i don't like it as well
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:49:13Z
why white should not have a black outline?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:49:49Z
idk, the guy who wrote the colored broadcast made some questionable choices.thonk (edited)
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:51:38Z
at least he knew about outlines
19:51
just preferred not to change anything with white ones
19:52
also yellow chat messages are almost invisible on most of the maps
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-20 19:53:33Z
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[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #2753 Improve Visibility of Server Broadcast
!image There is a backdrop for the broadcast but is it too light and usually can't cover all the text. This makes the text hard to read on some brighter maps. We should increase the intensity and the size of the backdrop or replace it with standard CORNER_T rect.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:55:27Z
i don't know why shadowed text is introduced. but i do like how they look despite they are pretty hard to read. there should be some ways to improve the visibility of shadowed text.
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redix 2020-09-20 19:57:13Z
tw has some visibility issues in general... it's a problem that everything is transparent
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:57:46Z
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:57:46Z
thonk is it possible to fix them all in one go?
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:58:02Z
they have tried to add a background
19:58
but didn't aligned it well
19:58
also doesn't suitable for multiline
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 19:58:14Z
that's what I've said
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 19:58:38Z
I am so eager to see a fix 😄
19:59
I know other devs that's important I know contributors are doing amazing work too, but visuals are very noticeable when they're improved
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redix 2020-09-20 19:59:54Z
blur instead of plain transparency would be nice =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:00:04Z
gl3 time
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redix 2020-09-20 20:00:04Z
https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1826#issuecomment-445962065
Further refine the scoreboard · Issue #1826 · teeworlds/teeworlds
The scoreboard needs some more love. A quick mockup to highlight, every other line and also highlight the most important Column "Score" Yea the font is not 1:1 as in Teeworlds, I ...
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:00:08Z
let's go
20:00
can you do blur in gl2?
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redix 2020-09-20 20:00:27Z
nope, requires frame buffers
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:00:28Z
i have no idea.
20:00
oh
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:00:52Z
I've tried to make CSS blur to be a proper outline layering it one day. It was so expensive that one line of text was lagging my i7 to 1-2 fps
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redix 2020-09-20 20:01:20Z
you have to render the game to a texture, use a blur postprocessing shader on it and use it as background for the menu elements =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:01:27Z
there are some dirty blur which can be pretty fast. but teeworlds graphics is not ready for that.
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:01:51Z
I am not sure you really want a blur to make a blurred outline
20:02
you can fake it with just a prerendered heavy blur for a "8" character and nobody will see the difference
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:02:18Z
i think he means buttons, menus and scroeboard, separate topics
20:02
sorry, the topic was pretty tangled
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Stiopa 2020-09-20 20:02:41Z
can I use NetBoolAny in the network.py?
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redix 2020-09-20 20:02:53Z
yeah. rendering text without any background is always problematic
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:03:14Z
I love how it is done with MOTD
20:03
it's clear and simple and it works
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:03:25Z
at least the broadcast backdrop should be easy to fix
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redix 2020-09-20 20:03:26Z
the issues I linked above has an example for a blurred scoreboard
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:03:50Z
you guys love blur aren't you?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:04:00Z
no, it was on topic.
20:04
just discussing, that's all
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:04:35Z
ok, ok
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redix 2020-09-20 20:04:36Z
well it looks better than all the different levels of transparency we have right now
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:04:43Z
that's true
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:04:56Z
would love to see server broadcast just like a text with some background like a MOTD
20:05
just not fixed size
20:06
this looks nice, but tbh blur is not needed
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another broadcast for telling a player about events/game states
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and the most simple but a working one
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:08:09Z
that might cover some viewarea for games like fng. which is pretty important
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:08:36Z
? do you need textboxes in fng?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:08:53Z
i mean, if some fng mods decides to use broadcast
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:08:57Z
I just cannot find what I am proposing. The box should not be fixed size.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:09:12Z
which noby already do for fng, they have a DDnet client notice for 0.7
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:09:31Z
Also it maybe should not be like a box at all. Every lines could have it's own background that is just as long as a line.
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:09:34Z
i think broadcast and that event-called textbox should be used separately
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:09:35Z
I can make the backdrop adapt to the text
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:10:27Z
@gerdoe they've rejected event-called textbox already.
20:10
So I just want motd to be more readable.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:10:41Z
@Deleted User oy haven't said anything
20:10
and he marked your issue as discussion already
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:11:08Z
Oy is not developing features. He has a veto I guess. But don't have anti-veto.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:11:16Z
what?
20:11
oy decides everything
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:11:27Z
"teeworlds is not a game engine"
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:11:28Z
If you don't like something he cannot make you do it.
20:11
@jxsl13 chill bro. I've accepted it.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:11:51Z
i can do it if oy said it is pretty useful
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:12:05Z
I'm just quoting
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:12:15Z
He will never say it's useful. Cause vanilla will not use it. Vanilla doesn't have any plans to expand.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:12:27Z
well if you say it like that
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:12:46Z
this discussion might be pointless. other than motd being an adaptive text box.
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:12:50Z
At least I cannot imagine CTF or DM would use text boxes.
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:13:07Z
vanilla can use those in LMS and LTS
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:13:13Z
@jxsl13 I am focused at this rn.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:14:03Z
i need to wait for TextRender to be merged to do the broadcast thing
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:14:12Z
Nice
20:14
I am just glad it will be more readable
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:14:30Z
since textrender modified broadcast pretty heavily
20:14
but i'll do it. ;)
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:15:11Z
doubt a protocol will be implemented for that, but maybe some client side resizing and proper handling of long texts might help somewhat.
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:15:11Z
also maybe add text in motd centralise by tag (edited)
20:15
?
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:15:29Z
crntralise?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:15:36Z
^ about to ask
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:15:42Z
colorise?
20:16
Does motd support color codes too btw?
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:16:04Z
no
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:16:20Z
i think the new textrender has a lot of potential, you can check the text bounding box for cheap. it will be pretty easy to adapt any rect to text once the new textrender is merged
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:16:23Z
server messages should be colored too imo
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:16:27Z
add shader and then allow downloading shaders the server sends XD
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:16:43Z
so colored motd
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:16:56Z
@gerdoe you mean in chat? Come on, they're already not readable, those yellow lines
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:17:24Z
you can change color of messages in HUD in gamer, ddnet and fclient
20:17
im about tags that client will adapt to the text
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:17:58Z
chat message can use some temporary backdrop like the highlighted ones
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:18:01Z
call of duty "worst waste of your lifetime"-style @Deleted User
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:18:01Z
teeworlds black & white, would be a nice april fools DD:
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:18:05Z
like bbcode on forum
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:18:17Z
@Deleted User first comment will be "so, it's dead after all"
20:19
so depressive 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:19:03Z
do you associate back and white pic with death as well?
20:19
thought it was a asian thing
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:19:34Z
yeah, I've been at the cemetery yesterday. Wondered why all photos are black and white in 2020
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jxsl13 2020-09-20 20:19:37Z
melancholy
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:19:49Z
i associate, girls that don't want to show their true face and put color filters over their pics with it
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:19:55Z
yeaah, but... i dont think jupstar said it in such case
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:20:10Z
yeah, some place don't have the black and white association
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:20:19Z
or old cinema, right
20:20
omg yes
20:20
when teeworlds get 30 years
20:20
good idea
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:20:34Z
okd cinema also has artifacts
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:20:39Z
film grain shader
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:20:42Z
also we can make all sounds to be broadcasts like in a silent cinema
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:20:52Z
xd
20:21
subtitles of sounds
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:21:01Z
like * bang * and * pew-pew-pew *
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:21:10Z
check tdtw client
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:21:39Z
I've learned about 4 new tw projects this weekend. I don't want more thanks 😄 (edited)
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:21:48Z
most cool visual client-side features are in tdtw
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:22:47Z
also if a client don't want a backdrop he can turn it off in settings
20:23
though honestly I don't think that looking trough the letters helps so much in fng (edited)
20:23
if you want both to be visible at the same area at the same time it will just not go well
20:24
with that logic we can make non-solid (transparent, with outlines) hearts at the HUD (edited)
20:24
just to get more screen for a fng
20:24
anyway, thanks for listening
20:26
@gerdoe with a current state of a chat area I don't think that making text colored will be useful. You can check how dark-colored broadcast look. It look weird and not easily readable even with heavy outlines. (edited)
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gerdoe 2020-09-20 20:31:14Z
okey, then bold/italics/underlined text tags would be cool (edited)
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:31:37Z
i can make that into textrender
20:31
but we do need more fonts...
20:32
CJK fonts is already 19m
20:32
add a bold one would double that
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:32:38Z
I suppose that faking bold and italic would look like disaster
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:32:43Z
underlined should be easy, but i don't know if i need to manually make that or does freetype has that feature
20:33
yea.. fake bold are pretty wack
20:33
and I think console was planned for monospaced fonts, by the look of how they were coded
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:33:50Z
would love MOTD to be monospaced
20:34
though I don't think monospaced fonts with proper unicode exist
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:34:36Z
monospace would be pretty hard to do with multiple fonts
20:34
i might take a look into it later
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:34:47Z
I mean chinese and persian symbols will be too condensed to read
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:35:03Z
usually chinese chars takes up two monospace
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:35:17Z
Even that I want to make a menu from it I don't think it's that useful
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:35:22Z
but different fonts might have different monowidth
20:36
you can line them up with chinese chars, as long as you keep in mind how wide they are.
20:36
but yeah, we need to add monospace first.
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:36:54Z
didn't knew that (takes up to two monospace)
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:38:10Z
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not every software does that tho
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20:38
vscode is pretty bad
20:39
(that's why i would imagine it being hard to do)
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Deleted User 2020-09-20 20:40:31Z
Tbh I don't think it's that useful to invest into that
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 20:40:44Z
probably
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 22:17:16Z
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thoughts? (the sliders to be changed to 8 rows, 4 for label and numbers, 4 for sliders)
22:18
I think this might be better than moving the palette into the HSL picker.
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TsFreddie 2020-09-20 22:34:33Z
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