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Assa 2020-09-01 03:31:20Z
we all do, that's why we are here ❤️
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mind 2020-09-01 08:20:32Z
Hey, can the fixed main_grass mentioned in issue #1911 be found anywhere?
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 09:01:37Z
can you link the issue D:?
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 09:02:39Z
https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1911
tileset bugs in 0.7 · Issue #1911 · teeworlds/teeworlds
I just looked into the mapres in 0.7 and found some bugs, some are minor, some not. I made a gallery on imgur: https://imgur.com/a/dQRWfrd
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09:02
seems to be the one
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 09:04:13Z
thanks.
09:04
seemingly Zatline has been working on it a little bit, but there does not seem to be anything released. (edited)
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 09:05:04Z
I suppose zatline needs to be tagged
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 09:05:14Z
I prefer not to
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xD
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 09:11:51Z
zatline bites?
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 09:12:28Z
I doubt that. But one never knows.
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Assa 2020-09-01 09:13:55Z
at least the jungle_midground seems to be fixed :p
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 10:42:49Z
Perry?
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 10:44:55Z
😮
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Dune 2020-09-01 10:48:00Z
Zatline won't fix it, so if someone else wants to work on it...
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 10:48:39Z
gofundme @ Landil?
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Dune 2020-09-01 10:50:45Z
No, he's busy
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 11:02:51Z
:/
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Sonix 2020-09-01 12:32:46Z
I believe both desert and grass will be fixed in 0.8 along with some reworks, I did try to fix it @mind, let me know if you want to check it out
12:33
not perfect tho
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Sonix 2020-09-01 12:40:02Z
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In case you guys wanna test it out and compare, here it is: https://i.imgur.com/E7Kkm6Q.png
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Zatline 2020-09-01 12:44:59Z
what's on? what am I supposingly not fixing? (edited)
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 12:45:23Z
D: everything
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https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1911
@Stiopa
tileset bugs in 0.7 · Issue #1911 · teeworlds/teeworlds
I just looked into the mapres in 0.7 and found some bugs, some are minor, some not. I made a gallery on imgur: https://imgur.com/a/dQRWfrd
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oops
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sry Stiopa
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Zatline 2020-09-01 12:46:08Z
oh ya just saw it now
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well ya cut off shadows is a rendering bug in Inkscape that happens sometimes I had it fixed for the restructured grass_main just checked that but forgot to to it for the 0.7 one I guess .. well ya things will change for 0.8 anyway but good to have a fix for 0.7 thanks @Sonix 👍
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mind 2020-09-01 13:03:11Z
@Sonix little bug all over the image, but almost not visible at default zoom
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Zatline 2020-09-01 13:09:31Z
https://gyazo.com/5c7f660422878c880905ec6222d59692
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yea that's another rendering issue by Inkscape
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haven't found a fix for that yet
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that issue is apparent on all tilesets the new ones included :/
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https://gyazo.com/09d3e905d0c1625e0a3c9adf8cc7131e
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 13:34:23Z
send svg
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 13:39:21Z
https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/compare/master...TsFreddie:0.7-textrender-fontfallbacks
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I tried to implement font fallback and support regional variants.
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Now fonts are loaded as opentype collection by defaults, and fonts setup is now using font family names instead of just file names. (see datasrc/fonts/index.json)
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There are still works to do regarding textures and glyph finding optimization. I'll try to make a proper PR later.
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Still, CJK fonts are indeed huge (19m), but i can't find any smaller alternative that can support all 4 variants of kanji.😩
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 13:56:48Z
Also regarding larger textsize. I really wish we can use shader... to render sdf fonts. (edited)
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Ravie 2020-09-01 14:08:43Z
@Zatline those shouldn't be visible on 100% zoom or on the export
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Zatline 2020-09-01 14:14:53Z
true at 100% they are not visible and it's not like it jumps out in the bitmap so this ain't a big deal
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 14:15:59Z
thank you graphic wizards
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 14:33:06Z
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Source Han actually doesn't look out of place when surrounded by Deja Vu
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Sonix 2020-09-01 14:39:44Z
looks good
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 14:49:45Z
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redix 2020-09-01 15:02:09Z
@TsFreddie are CJK fonts working properly with sdf/msdf text rendering or are there artifacts?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:03:29Z
they may have somewhat squiggly edges if only using sdf.
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a larger texture can make them less noticeable.
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but i think msdf should work as good as latin characters (edited)
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I haven't done any implementation myself. but there are sdf demos using cjk characters
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https://mapbox.github.io/tiny-sdf/
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redix 2020-09-01 15:11:43Z
Okay. I have some really experimental msdf text rendering code... I should maybe continue on this 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:11:56Z
on teeworlds?
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redix 2020-09-01 15:12:02Z
yes
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:12:22Z
cool. i think ddnet has shaders already.
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i presume it's not possible without shaders?
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redix 2020-09-01 15:12:35Z
I stopped with that and rather improved the performance of the old renderer
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never merged that though...
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yeah that requires shaders
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:13:30Z
did you improved the old renderer? I removed the code iterating through the entire fonts.
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and I think a way of texture to texture copy should reduce the stutter when increasing the font texture size.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:14:19Z
yeah I added gpu side caching of the text
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:14:45Z
does that mean i can stop working on this lol
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redix 2020-09-01 15:14:47Z
yes but it would require a new opengl version
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Dune 2020-09-01 15:14:52Z
I believe both desert and grass will be fixed in 0.8 along with some reworks, I did try to fix it @mind, let me know if you want to check it out
@Sonix Why do you need a compatibility break?
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redix 2020-09-01 15:15:38Z
nah i mostly did low level stuff to lower the cpu side cost of rendering
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still only supports one font file
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:15:49Z
oh
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also i do want to ask is using STL generally discouraged when contributing to master.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:16:49Z
yes it is
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:16:55Z
oof
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I kinda want to use a BST and a heap to help finding the glyphs in the texture
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redix 2020-09-01 15:17:04Z
there have been many discussions on this =\
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even using binary search for the lookup gives a huge performance boost
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:18:59Z
but the glyph look up both id and touchtime.
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so might need an additional array for just touchtime.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:19:25Z
touchtime only when it runs out of capacity i think
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:19:30Z
yes but still
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redix 2020-09-01 15:19:36Z
that should not happen too often
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at least with latin letters it does not 😮
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:20:06Z
but once it is at capacity i'd imagine it'll happen all the time.
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and it is not hard for a malicious server to spit out server messages that loops through the entire glyph table lol (edited)
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I'll see what i can do that is more KISS.
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I do really want proper CJK supports in vanilla, although i don't think they'll like the large font size.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:22:09Z
never really thought about that... with latin letters you will never reach the 4096 capacity limit =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:22:49Z
well you can increase that to 65536 or more since CJK fonts only has the maximum amount that a font can hold. but that's stupid
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redix 2020-09-01 15:22:53Z
malicious server stuff is another topic... it's already very easy to crash the client with broken map files =\
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the textures can't hold all characters anyway
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at least not on old gpus
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:23:48Z
yea.
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but to avoid checking glyph size. my textures are currently just 128x128 for each character (for 64pt. (edited)
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waste more vram on latins, but is somewhat tightly packed on CJK
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all fonts store in the same textures
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redix 2020-09-01 15:27:30Z
yeah storing as much as possible in one texture is good. I'd even move the outlines and glyphs to one texture
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the game does a lot of opengl state changes =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:27:57Z
well if we have shader we don't even need to store outlines
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redix 2020-09-01 15:28:03Z
true
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:28:30Z
but there are older gpus that doesn't run gl3 i guess
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redix 2020-09-01 15:28:44Z
gl2.0 should do it
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rather 2.1
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right now the game runs on 1.x but i think it would be okay to require 2.x
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i think at the moment sdl uses a gl2 context anyway
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:29:59Z
i never worked with gl.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:30:17Z
not sure about buggy drivers though =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:30:26Z
=/
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redix 2020-09-01 15:30:47Z
having two renderers would be the best but it would be so much code to maintain...
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:31:07Z
and the text need two implementation as well
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redix 2020-09-01 15:31:34Z
sdf/msdf also needs some on disk glyph cache + async sdf generation
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otherwise it's too slow
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:31:48Z
didn't know that
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redix 2020-09-01 15:32:00Z
at least the msdf lib i tried
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:32:55Z
sdf might not be that difficult to implement a light version without libs, at least by the look of tinysdf (edited)
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:41:59Z
is it possible to download a texture back to ram?
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like download the smaller texture, create a larger one, upload the smaller one onto the larger one.
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redix 2020-09-01 15:47:18Z
yeah but i'm not sure which opengl version is required
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 15:52:40Z
is this it?
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discord broke..
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https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/GLAPI/glGetTexImage
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redix 2020-09-01 16:02:49Z
That might work, but downloading to the cpu and then uploading to the gpu is kinda slow
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 16:02:59Z
horay, the variant switching is working now.
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redix 2020-09-01 16:03:45Z
With newer OpenGL one could use framebuffers and gl4 even has a function to perform the copying on the gpu =\
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 16:03:59Z
=/
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but in gl1, the best option might be keeping a copy of the entire texture
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but that would take 10~40m depends on the capacity
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Bun 2020-09-01 17:26:14Z
do skins from the teeworlds skindatabase work in ddrace?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-01 17:28:07Z
which skin db are you talking about?
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ddnet skins are the ones with a whole tee in a image
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teeworlds skins are the ones with parts in different image files
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MarisaG 2020-09-01 18:33:15Z
Hiya, I still have some free servers available if anyone wants one.. Just PM me..
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Dune 2020-09-01 20:17:40Z
Any db I know of is 0.6 only
Nilsuuu joined the server. 2020-09-01 20:31:14Z
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gerdoe 2020-09-01 20:36:23Z
teeskins.de
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MarisaG 2020-09-01 21:11:35Z
Hiya @Nilsuuu - welcome
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Nilsuuu 2020-09-01 21:11:42Z
hi
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 21:36:15Z
hi
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Your Announcer 2020-09-01 21:44:18Z
here is a little project im doing... hope it goes gud https://discord.gg/sf68hp
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 21:48:49Z
the game is called Teeworlds :'/
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TsFreddie 2020-09-01 21:50:20Z
;-\
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if it's a single server project then it might be justified (lol
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Your Announcer 2020-09-01 21:52:07Z
oop
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lmao
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jxsl13 2020-09-01 21:59:25Z
what is the project about?
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Your Announcer 2020-09-01 22:35:31Z
I just host a tournament with a bracket and stuff clan v clan
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Stiopa 2020-09-01 22:40:02Z
I support the notion but I feel it will be hard
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