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Between 2020-08-10 00:00:00Z and 2020-08-11 00:00:00Z
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Hello, I want to report one guy who is filling his server with bots. https://i.imgur.com/BybRJC6.png 51.210.171.47:7303
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feelsamazingman 1
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@fokkonaut
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god of thiefs
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lmao
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@Sabu nice how you guys steal my mod then flood my server, fucking bastards
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just ban them from discord and master server.
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yes, please
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1st of all you don't know who's doing that "flood", 2nd he's allowed to host your mod lol
12:28
+ do not insult, #rules
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Not hosting my mod
12:29
stealing my mod is something different
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3rd, discord is discord, it's not tw
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you know its obvious when the same people who host the fake mod report a flood of my server saying I fill it with dummy, they know how dummies look like on my mod obviously, they even renamed all 128 dummies...
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do you have any screenshots about him saying htat
12:31
well afterall on ur srv there's 90% of dummies & 10% of players
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still false
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not really
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why did u make the mod open source if u do not want people to host it
12:33
not that its not scummy to take peoples mods and change the info to take credit but it seems pretty easy to prevent
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steal ddnet7
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@noby I am fully ok with other people hosting my mod, like potato or fearless. But not like these guys
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well you can't say no to a hosting
12:41
your source is public, he can
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no, thats liscense violation
12:41
He isnt crediting me at any single point
12:42
or F-DDrace
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(or release just the binaries)
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@fokkonaut btw I don't see any license violation
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Okay, then I am gonna add that explicitly to the liscense
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if you think adding it now will stop them xd
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It wouldnt have stopped them anyways, because they 100% didnt look into the liscense
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they changed the name of the mod
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it's not license violations, it's cooyright infringement.
12:48
copyright
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does copyright apply to tw mods? :o
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you're going to be endlessly dealing with that, so either close sources or just brush off people appropriating your work
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btw just to be clear @fokkonaut , stop thinking that I'm the one who's ddosing your server in some way. + I'm not @Mirai , jic everything you say just comes to me
12:50
If I was ddosing your server, then I'm the one ddosing my own server
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can confirm bombay server has been getting attacked fairly often lately
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Can we punish lulzsec servers? They should see its not the right way, as jxsl said, maybe discord and masterban? They report my server for connecting dummies and flooding while they exactly know they are doing it...
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there's no proof of that lol, they can't ban without proofs
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@noby for german right copyright can apply for almost everything, so yes, also tw mods
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meaning it applies to things created in germany? or applies to people living there
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@Deleted User sometimes i think its enough just to use the fine working human brain and use that as a proof
12:52
@noby created here
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In theory I could get a lawyer
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@fokkonaut it does not work like that
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dont talk to me
12:53
stop pinging me
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I'm able to, if you don't want tho you can just block me @fokkonaut
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respect my words
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I am allowed to talk to you
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A ping is still a ping
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yes and while i'm not abusing of it & using it normally (actually what I do), there's no reason you can say that
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"rage" or whatever you wanna call it does not lead you anywhere, fokko, that's what those people want, as all they are is trolls. on the other hand, oeople were banned from discord for seemingly less than this, cough @Deleted User . Last thought would be: weight loosing mod creators vs loose one server hoster(we got like one server per active player currently).
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people*
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@jxsl13 if people thinks i'm trolling, lol
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an "I agree" wold help, hehe
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would
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Well, I'm acting normally, sadly
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I'm nit talking about you being the troll, Rei...
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not
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all it took was ine sentence and a screenshot
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one
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fat fingers life
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Well even lulsec srv
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For me you cannot apply a discord ban because they've done something ingame
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There's no logic behind that mov
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false accusations. trolling
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witz malicious intent that is
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Well still it's not a proof for me, and that "connecting" flood was real
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still trolling
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who is trolling
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you should wonder, why they were the first ones to report that
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and not somebody else
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and especially on a vague rule that cannot really be enforced in actual servers that have players playing.
13:21
on*
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Hello, I have noticed that you are discussing this a lot at the moment and I would like to clarify a few things to you. I've heard that Fokkonaut may have sold his open source mod to people. This version even included a backdoor. I want to make it clear to you that we are not hosting fokkonaut's Mod or launching any attacks on him. The fact is that Fokkonaut is currently bottling his server high and I don't understand why its server is still not banned. Fokkonaut even threatened us that he wanted to ddos and report us. He's acting like a child right now and I don't understand why he pulls us down too deeply to the lowest level. (edited)
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@Sabu do u even have real proofs of all of that
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well, it's a mod has a different name and a different creator while consisting of seemingly 99% of the features from F-DDRace
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that has*
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Wasn't it just a connection flood?
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I wonder why that server is not banned yet, hue (troll)
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the origin being fokko
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misrepresenting the origin
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Whis is that you?
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xD
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@jxsl13 now start where everything came from ctrl + c ctrl + v, fokkonauts mod contains only chillers dragon mod and chillerdragons mod contains of different block mods copypasta code
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could be whis lmao
13:35
but whis is not french
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french people usually do not soeak english that fluently.
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I was wrong there
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whis is german
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we can talk around here for a long time, it doesn't make sense
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ovh being a french hoster. there is not much other reference there
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fokko wants his name t be properly represented in that mod
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niveau if a french word afaik xd
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*is
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if Chiller wanted that, I guess people would comply as it's their right.
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depending on the work each party put into that mod, one might add stuff like "highly modified" or "with a ton of new features" or "reworked from ground up" etc.
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by ...
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zCatch is a server modification for the retro multiplayer shooter Teeworlds. It is a last man standing instagib gamemode. - jxsl13/zcatch
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how to properly credit.
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in regard to the flooding, I would check out the IPs in my logs @fokkonaut
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what's the point with ovh lol
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their server being hosted there
13:46
that's the only point, I guess
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I guess you do not have much of x clients per IP set up, do you?
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might be multiple IPs (size of some specific clan I guess at most).
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I work with chiller together lol, and if you compare codes, i did never copy a single thing, i rewrote all of the stuff thats in my mod. Also, I worked for ddnetpp (chillers mod), thats why u see same things there as on my mod. @Sabu I never shipped a backdoor? what the fuck? I gave away my source code, not any backdoors
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Wow, this is insane lmao
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You sold your mod to some people even though it is opensource. One of the victims was @Xaxa
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Should I keep shaking up your memories?
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I sold it to one person while it was closed source, yes
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And the same guy came to me some days ago and needed help again
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you're lying right now
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I am not.
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you can't talk yourself out of the situation
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you have no proofs, lol
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out of context screenshot
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does not change the oart with not giving credit, tho.
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part
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I only answered @Deleted User 's question. I already mentioned that this discussion will lead nowhere.
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I hope it leads to you adding fokko's credits.
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that's basicslly the only point.
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fun part, german based clan :0
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or germany :0
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"One of the victims" that's funny.
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xD
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#general please
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@Deleted User bad behavior ingame can absolutely lead to a discord ban. you can discuss that in private, or in the forums, I won't have that discussion here and now
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@fokkonaut you'd need to modify the license if you don't want people modifying and hosting your mod
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it's not about hosting
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modifying and hosting
14:28
@Sabu the server appears to be under attack, idk what you're doing, but you seem to be a new account, probably just created to troll
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it's about removing credits after modifying
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which license does fokko have
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misrepresentation of origin coupled with copyright infringement based on german copyright law.
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The zlib license is a permissive free software license which defines the terms under which the zlib software library can be distributed. It is also used by many other free software packages. The libpng library uses a similar license sometimes referred interchangeably as the zl...
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the misrepresentation is explicitly part of the license.
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@jxsl13 I'm not a lawyer. I read that as "you can't claim to have created F-DDRace"
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the paragraph 13 UrhG
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they renamed their mod, they're fine
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link?
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@heinrich5991 thanks
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@heinrich5991 well I won't say anything more than it is "stupid" to ban on a platform that is competly different than teeworlds. It's not a game, it's not the same thing, they can talk there & be masterbanned ingame
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but the renaming part is yet another interesting aspect
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The distribution of a modified version of the software is subject to the following restrictions: The authorship of the original software must not be misrepresented, Altered source versions must not be misrepresented as being the original software, and The license notice must not be removed from source distributions.
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@jxsl13 by distributing your work under a license, you explicitly give up some of your rights
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you allow others to modify it, even without explicit acknowledgment when hosting a server
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and "open source" means that a few of the rights of the author are given up
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you cannot give up that right as being the owner, at least of that part of the code and having your tag somewhere.
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by german law, but american that's possible
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that's something different
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and also not true
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you can absolutely give up your authorship when you work in a contract
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that's not the case here
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yes, just correcting a misconception there
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but you can give other the right to replicate your work without giving explicit acknowledgement
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that is what the zlib license does
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if there were credits in the source, you are to keep them based on the law, I'd interpret that.
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if that weren't possible, licenses like CC0 wouldn't be legal in germany, but I think evidence is to the contrary
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but the license in the top level explicitly gives up the rights
14:36
you can give a stricter license, or not give any license at all to prevent that
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interesting point, I'm not gonna argue then, as I'm not a lawyer to know better. guess this solves that.
14:38
gotta update the license then?
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my opinion is also not that of a lawyer
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@heinrich5991 that's interesting, so the strictest license is always no license?
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yes, that definitely
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e.g. from wikipedia, License:
A shorthand definition of license is "a promise by the licensor not to sue the licensee". That means without a license any use or exploitation of intellectual property by a third party would amount to copying or infringement. Such copying would be improper and could, by using the legal system, be stopped if the intellectual property owner wanted to do so.[3]
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