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Stitch left teeworlds

00:36

Also who is the host of the Servers?

626 -> rafael

Miles-Mustache joined the server. 2020-08-02 08:59:02Z

0.6 - urinstone

does anyone know how to backport a map from 0.7 to 0.6?

nothing to do, but you must replace default mapres to *_0.7

Miles-Mustache joined the server. 2020-08-02 11:05:51Z

didn't work

11:09

the 0.6 mapper client crashes and 0.6 ddnet doesn't show anything in this map

@Deleted User about your problem, it's either the client you are using or the internet connection is just to bad

11:21

but I guess the client will be the problem

I am right and there is no way 0.7 client will accept an updated clan name from OTHER player without reconnecting a client (local or remote)? (edited)

hm, have same @Assa

@Deleted User name and clan are an immutable identity of players, so this would require a reconnect

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@Deleted User in case you are programming a mod: you can "fix" this on the server side with silent reconnects, it's a bit hacky but works

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Yeah, I'm currently trying silent reconnect. Thanks a lot!

It worked! Just need to send CNetMsg_Sv_ClientDrop with silent = true followed by a CNetMsg_Sv_ClientInfo

11:58

It's a pity we have a SkinChange message type but not a ClanChange and/or a NameChange (edited)

12:00

Spent 3 hours trying to add this. Too much for a trivial feature imho.

How do i publish a map with Linux-Ubuntu?

Correction: Name and Clan were made to be the immutable identity of players for some reason that we are not privy to

useing terminal

12:00

how?

12:01

or try it?

@Learath2 I've tried to remove guard clause in client so it worked without reconnecting but then really messed a score table after some time. I think the reason it is there because nobody wanted to refactor a client code (edited)

12:02

and/or for compatibility with older clients

The reason is that people didn't think twice before making a change that simplified the code

12:09

All of this player information used to be contained in the snap and updated along with the gamestate. Then the playerinfo got a little large, so they removed it from the snap (the size of the playerinfo in fact doesn't quite matter except for when we send full snaps which is rare). However while removing it, no one stopped to think: "Hmm wait a minute, there were like 2-3 dozen mods in 0.6 who probably are using the fact that these things are not immutable, maybe we should create an alternative"

Yes, I think that's the way it was. Thanks for explanation (edited)

12:12

By the chance do you know was/is the server tune params in snapshot as well?. I've encountered strange situation where I can send tune params to selected (frozen) clients (without broadcasting). they accept it, parse it, apply it but nothing is changed. (edited)

12:12

But when I change server-side global tune params clients apply it immediately.

12:13

I haven't dig well enough to know if tune params are in snapshot or not.

12:14

But if they are that would explain me why client reverts to default tune params and not using tune params it is given explicitly

They are not

Thanks, then I will have another debug session to know why it doesn't apply tuneparams sent explicitly.

Problem is usually that you also need to "fake" the tune on the server, as you send the inputs the server will be using the global tunes to move the physics along

//tune for freezed tees
void CGameContext::SendFakeTuningParams(int ClientID)
{
    static CTuningParams FakeTuning;
    
    FakeTuning.m_GroundControlSpeed = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_GroundJumpImpulse = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_GroundControlAccel = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_AirControlSpeed = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_AirJumpImpulse = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_AirControlAccel = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_HookDragSpeed = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_HookDragAccel = 0;
    FakeTuning.m_HookFireSpeed = 0;
    
    CMsgPacker Msg(NETMSGTYPE_SV_TUNEPARAMS);
    int *pParams = (int *)&FakeTuning;
    for(unsigned i = 0; i < sizeof(FakeTuning)/sizeof(int); i++)
        Msg.AddInt(pParams[i]);
    Server()->SendMsg(&Msg, MSGFLAG_VITAL, ClientID);
}

@Assa Do you have catch16 for 0.7? (edited)

Yeah, I am faking them

12:16

it works in 0.6 but doesn't in 0.7

12:17

I mean it doesn't work when I send this from 0.7 server

Are you sure this works in 0.6?

12:17

I think the server actually using the normal tunes for that tee will steal break this

Yeah, noby uses this code in his 0.6 fng server (patched for protocol compatibility for 0.7 clients)

12:18

And when I enter to his server with a 0.7 client all is fine

12:18

I think the server actually using the normal tunes for that tee will steal break this

Server disables input completely on server side.

12:19

I'm sending fake params to prevent glitches on a client (edited)

You'll need to debug that further as that's just weird

Yes, I think I will

12:21

Will write here if I will find something interesting

12:21

Also I've just found an nice instruction for 0.6: https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=11940

Tutorial: How to create a custom tune system per client (Page 1) — ...

Tutorial: How to create a custom tune system per client (Page 1) — Modifications — Teeworlds Forum — Everything Teeworlds!

12:21

So maybe it contains something I miss/don't understand and will help me too

@ShootXen there is Catch64

@Stiopa thanks

12:23

seems like none is hosting it

12:29

you are right

12:29

the server is down

Oh... please don't just write 'the server is down' on public chats

12:33

I could deploy a server for this mod but I don't think anybody will raise the community from zero.

12:33

And I am currently too occupied trying to revive infCroya community in 0.7

I can do it myself

Find 5 players that will confirm that they will play on regular basis (at least 2 times a week) and I will make the server.

12:35

I just don't want to invest to something that will not live.

12:35

Also start a group chat or a discord server for that and invite me there when you will hit 5 wanna-be-players count. (edited)

12:37

Didn't knew that zCatch has died on 0.7. Played it half a year ago and there were servers and players (edited)

12:38

I see a bunch of zCatch servers there

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I dont mind, I just host mods that I like to play

ah np

and keep them up, and it was always FNG over the past 5years?

by the chance do you have bf2 sources? (edited)

battlefield?

yes

I'm not sure but wasn't there a post on the forums with the src?

12:41

but to answer your question, no I dont have it

No, there is no post on the forums with src

12:46

FunElefant removed the link in 2012

12:46

I have a windows binary but no sources

mhh I can try to ask someone

Would be nice, thanks. @Stiopa also tried to find it but had no success (edited)

Can take a while till I get a answer but catch64 is up and running on 0.7

@Deleted User from my source it seems you will need to recode the whole mod since the src was never released (edited)

13:17

and no one has it

Thanks! Yeah, I was inclined to assume the same thing

13:30

I don't think I will start redeveloping that mod in the near future, not alone at least

Today I brainstormed a bit and had an Idea: XTEE - Teeworlds XCOM spinoff, turn based strategy game, I just wanted to leave it here, feel free to implement

"brainstormed" less then 10sec is what I assume

turn based + teeworlds = meh

14:14

If you want to dump all the physics, input management, collision system and controllers why don't start a separate gaming project?

14:15

Cause I don't think any turn based strategy would benefit on being made on top of teeworlds.

teeworlds turn based rpg like pokemon

with AR, right?

Dror Maor joined the server. 2020-08-02 17:24:34Z

hi

17:25

can anyone plz tell me how to publish a map? thanks

What do you mean "publish"? If you have a server, then load it. If you're not then you have to find a teeworlds server hoster who will add it. Or is this automatic process now on DDNet?

17:27

Are there unmanned servers which can load any map published by voting and load it?

but i can't load it! it never works for me - it sais that the server port mite be in use

17:28

(i'm Dror Maor) (edited)

why have you edited that?

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I've googled your apartment already https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/22976839?source_impression_id=p3_1596389318_k4FL9%2FJrVH7Hhlc3

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17:29

RBS Gimmel

[12:27 PM] Pure_luck: Are there unmanned servers which can load any map published by voting and load it? https://trashmap.timakro.de

17:29

if its a ddrace type map u can use this

@noby teeworlds server as a cloud saas. Someone has to do that! thanks

haha , RBS Gimmel is a 'hood where i live

teecloud

it's not a ddrace, but i do want to make a ddrace map

17:31

@Deleted User are you there?

Where? )

here!

oh

xD

17:32

it's not a ddrace map , but i do want to make a ddrace map (edited)

Duplicate message detected

17:32

ah, you've edited again

ye xD

No, I am not here. I want to leave, have a good evening )

what the problem?

17:34

hello?

@noby teecloud is currently under development

17:35

But legends say Anderson might be done this year

what are bridge servers by the way? has someone implemented translation of tw 0.7 traffic to 0.6 servers?

0.6 -> 0.7

is it works in vanilla 0.6 client or need a patch?

17:39

I want my 0.7 mod to be accessible for 0.6 users, can I install this bridge? is it opensourced?

ask @fokkonaut

or is it magically translates just everything on every server?

he wrote it

you mean fokkonaut himself?

hi

no way I will bother him asking

17:40

ah you've highlighted him already

I have a 0.7 server with 0.6 support (only ddnet clients, as they have tokens)

17:41

But the usual bridges are 0.6 ddnet to 0.7

17:41

i am the only mod having 0.7 to 0.6

nice to know that

17:41

I've just seen this https://discord.com/channels/407308363031117832/490150878934990850/739525238685171732

but my mod is open src: https://github.com/fokkonaut/F-DDrace

fokkonaut/F-DDrace

F-DDrace is a server mod for Teeworlds 0.7 developed by fokkonaut. - fokkonaut/F-DDrace

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feelspepoman

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@Learath2 what are those bridge servers?

17:42

I have no permission to write to and IRC channel so I ask here

bridge servers translates the clients, so 0.7 and 0.6 players can play together

It's a translation layer

Is it a separate process/service or has to be merged/built into a teeworlds server?

merge

17:43

its a quite big diff

ah.... I've hoped that convinient magicaly translating services do exist

17:43

yeah, I guess

17:44

thanks a lot

17:44

Someone should make them a separate process. Too bad I have almost zero expertise in C++ or in tw internals (edited)

17:45

Would be nice if it could just take incoming 0.6 traffic and translate it to outbound 0.7 traffic (edited)

17:46

that would be a killer solution to all modders without an expertise to merge large amounts of esoteric code

It's not possible to translate outside the server

17:48

There is information that is lost that you need to craft the packets

You mean that this hypotetical translator should maintain a state of many entities, right? (edited)

The amount of state you'd need to maintain. You'd just end up writing another teeworlds server

17:51

E.g. a 0.6 server when starting a vote essentially discards the vote type, but a 0.7 client needs the vote type

17:52

The translator would only see the callvote and voteset packets, which are not enough to know what happened and what kind of vote started/how it ended

Can someone PLS help me fix my problem with my server port??????

What port are you using?

18:43

Is it windows, Mac or linux machine?

18:47

Thanks for explaining @Learath2 I just hoped someone has already implemented the solution. But I suppose amount of work required to develop and maintain such a monster is just not worth it.

@Deleted User It's linux

What port are you using?

19:16

$ grep sv_port autoexec.cfg

what does that meen

19:19

autoexec_1_server.cfg

6 KB

are you playing music here again ?

19:22

grep means to search for something in your files, in the terminal

for what?

why is it called autoexec_1_server.cfg? How do you start your server? (edited)

i added the '1'

19:36

and to join my map, i need to go to f2 and do my rcon password, and to know what it is, i need to go to the terminal, cd to ddnet file, type ./DDNet-Server and it should show my rcon pw, but all what it sais is that server port 8310 mihte be alredy in use.

NM, IT'S WOKING!!!

use another port

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