Teeworlds - bridge

Can we add a netmsg for changeinfo again? The limitation of not being able to rename tees ingame is rather annoying

Yes!

no.

Does people being creative with the feature somewhy offend you?

13:30

Are you of the opinion, my way or the highway?

there is the issue with backwards compatibility but imo it is worth breaking it for future good

For older clients the disconnect+connect workaround should be used. The only thing that would not be possible is changing your name on old servers.

21:13

But still... Why would you change the name of the local player? For other players the difference would just be 1 vs 2 (disconnect+connect) netmessages

I'm against nicknames being changed during a session to prevent confusion and faking of other players or nicknames colliding with each other during a session. Anything else being changed during a session is fine, tho. In zCatch it's rather convinient, as stuff is being tracked during the time aplayer is connected. I am not against the protocol supporting it, but I'm against it being the default behavior.

@jxsl13 I think @Learath2 asked about the protocol, not the vanilla server

@redix first of all, the local player might want to change his name, shocker i know

22:48

second, the names have been used to display levels in certain servers since before 0.5

22:50

third, dropping a player and re-joining it to change one field of information is the hackiest thing I have ever heard in my life and I've heard of the inverse square root hack in quake

@Learath2 i don't know many games where you can change your name during a game

22:50

why can't you wait next game? it's confusing

fourth, if you don't like people changing names on your server, just don't allow it, not very tough, just don't forward the changeinfo packet along, fine

22:51

without a changeinfo packet, we actually can't do the things we want, while it'd be trivial to enforce your restriction even with it

22:51

@Dune afaik all source games allow it

source?

source engine, like csgo

source engine

22:52

but letting the server change the name of the client isn't really a problem either way

well I'm not a big fan of changing the name during the game in general but that's just my personal preference the level thing sounds legit

what I don't like with the current state in vanilla is that two players can have the same naem

I mean when it's absolutely trivial to not allow it in your own gamemode, I don't see the issue on making things easy enough for us once

Yeah the thing about duplicate names is really annoying

tbh, I never saw the benefits of moving these out of the snap

When I'm just playing the game I don't want to check IDs

I guess maybe we saved a couple bytes per tee per couple dozen ticks

@heinrich5991 I think that was patched out long ago?

I think when a snap item it not changed, nothing will be sent So it does not make a difference

the whole snap state is still out of sync with the message state, it's just not apparent anymore, yay?

22:59

@redix every couple things we send a complete snap, so that saves a couple bytes per tee

22:59

ticks* not things

do we?

I think so,

no complete snap is sent except in the beginning and when we try to recover

oh okay, so we don't even save those

in the beginning it is sent a couple of times