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can anyone, like, check if its related to countries? maybe its because we are from south america and masters dont like our IPs or something?

00:04

i dont even know where to ask for help and most people i ask to have no idea what happens

have you tried connecting to the server? @Skayland

00:15

via IP address

hello everyone

yea

02:23

as i said i tried (with both friends/both servers) to connect with different IPs, even restarting the router and it still doesnt work

too bad

03:48

master3.teeworlds.com is down, right?

03:52

so

03:52

i thinking there are other masters' naming

03:52

like

03:53

twmaster3.teecloud.eu instead master3.teeworlds.com

@gerdoe master 3 (for 0.6.x / 0.7.x) is up and available (edited)

05:45

you can also check the current status at https://status.tw/status/

Status - status.tw

A service for displaying and analyzing the status and statistics of Teeworlds servers and players.

so i had checked it already

@Mr_Anderson can servers redirect from 'master3.teeworlds.com' to 'twmaster3.teecloud.eu'?

09:07

sorry im stupid a lot

sure, its just a dns thing

you could add master3.teeworlds.gerdoe.com if you care enough

GWgoaShuu

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teeworlds is for linux ubuntu ? (deb)

10:35

@Dune

teeworlds runs on macOS, Linux and Windows

you didn't answer

Why would Linux not include ubuntu?

it just not work when i click to download

Where are you downloading it from?

from the official site

Are you downloading the correct architecture? x86_64 for 64bit, x86 for 32bit

i taked the x86 and when i launch it, it says what app should start for teeworlds (sry for bad english)

Is your computer 32bit?

yes

you double click teeworlds and it asks you what to open teeworlds with? I don't get it then and I don't have an ubuntu machine to check it on

so you can't be able to help... ok

10:56

thanks

a .deb package is an installer, nit the game.

11:07

not

Teeworlds easily runs on Ubuntu. Try 64 bit

Hey im trying to setup a local teeworlds server with rand()'s mod (nheir on github), i try to do it with visual studio but i got this error while compiling :

Error    C7555    use of designated initializers requires at least '/std:c++latest'    C:\Users\iman\Source\Repos\teeworlds2\out\build\x64-Debug\teeworlds2    C:\Users\iman\Source\Repos\teeworlds2\src\game\server\botengine.cpp    70

` i don't usually use visual studio and cmake so i cant fix it and i googled it but i still cant fix it myself :x

13:19

if some1 have any idea on how to fix it

13:22

i'm trying to use rand's training bots mod

looks like @rand() used more recent C++ versions than Teeworlds generally uses and did not update the cmake files

13:29

bam is probably configured properly on his repo then

13:29

otherwise, find a way to add C++11 options to cmake files

i'll try, thx for help

set(CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS} /std:c++latest") (edited)

13:31

into CMakeLists.txt

oke

13:31

anywhere in the file ?

put it to the top of the file

oke thanks

@Dune we should get rid of bam

@heinrich5991 we should get rid of cmake

no, because cmake is ubiquitous and it's kidna ridiculous that we ship our own build system

13:33

anything is better than bam in that regard

seriously, that was aggressive though

13:33

at least we try to work around things, and bam requires near-zero maintenance

13:34

the rhetoric when introducing cmake to Teeworlds was very different (edited)

I mean it's obviously better to have cmake and bam than just bam, I agreee

I'm very grateful for your work on CMake, it helped repo managers a bunch and people who are already familiar with CMake

13:35

I don't really appreciate the aggressive campaigning though

the problem I have is that we currently have two build systems and that apparently leads to advice such as

[3:29 PM] Dune: bam is probably configured properly on his repo then

13:36

if we only had one build system, we'd be better off in that regard

yes, and try to do a grep on git log "fix cmake"

13:37

cmake lists all files and requires a fuckton of maintenance, compared to bam

the only reason you feel that way is because we have two build systems

I use cmake at work, the build time is horrendeous, and the custom language is a pain to learn

people using cmake think that bam requires a fuckton of work

when do they need to edit bam?

when I change the libraries teeworlds links to

13:38

I have to replicate the library detection logic across two build systems

13:39

it's annoying, especially since bam doesn't provide good primitives to search for libraries

what frustrates me the most is that the whole thing feels very hypocritical

why's that?

when cmake was PR'd it was absolutely claimed that it would be side-by-side

13:40

then all of a second people that dislike bam remove it from their repositories and ask those that use bam to update their cmake files

13:40

the readme was not updated with bam etc.

13:40

it's like bam people make efforts and cmake people do the opposite

"cmake people" vs "bam people" is probably a good way to start a bad discussion

13:41

and re:

[3:37 PM] Dune: I use cmake at work, the build time is horrendeous, and the custom language is a pain to learn

that's true

does teeworlds take long to compile using cmake&ninja?

I re-did the experiments recently

13:42

make takes 3x longer and ninja 2xlonger iirc

13:45

redid it, with DDEBUG ON, ninja takes the same time

yes, same as my experiment

hmm, okay

(that I just did a second ago)

both build systems suck in different ways.

that's also not a good way to summarize a discussion, just putting "everything has its disadvantages" out there

oke i have an other problem while compiling rand's mod

13:51

looks like its way more specific than the other one

both suck because c++'s build model sucks.

13:52

hehe

for some reason, build systems are something people care strongly about

advantages: bam + used it before + lua > cmake script cmake + is not homebrewed, outside people have used it before + supports msvs properly

people wanna code, not fiddle around with build systems.

I would add + cmake is well maintained in package managers + bam does not require listing files

I think the listing files is only something you notice when you don't compile with cmake by default, i.e. I think it's a downside of having two build systems

pendawan, cooy your problem t pastebin and send a link in here.

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to

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copy

The following line Msg.AddString(pCommandInfo->m_pName, IConsole::TEMPCMD_NAME_LENGTH); triggers the following exception

Unhandled exception thrown: read access violation.
pCommandInfo was 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEF.

i don't rlly know what does it means

13:56

idk if its an usual issue so i send it here

that means that there is a programming mistake somewhere

commandinfo pointer not initialized?

13:57

looks like a weird pointer value

it's -17

underflow?

unusual for pointers

probably an offset from a nullptr?

well im already trying to contact rand on discord, im gonna wait

@Dune I think you need to copy bam into the parent folder so you can access it as bam conf=release on windows

I'm confused, you need bam in the path anyway, right?

that's also not said in the readme changes but I don't think you need it in path

14:06

it suffices if you specify the path, and on windows, if you don't specify the path, it also searches in your current directory

ah, you mean it should be bam\bam

yes

I think I took that from the teeworlds.com doc, should fix

or do copy bam .. before

14:09

not sure I agree that it is beneficial to put into the readme though

14:09

for newcomers, the "+ used it before" goes away

Honestly, I wrote those changes long ago, and ended up not PR-ing because I thought that would recreate unnecessary friction and that the initial readme was written without intents of pushing bam away

14:11

Newcomers will probably try the first sections anyway

probably. a little complexity is added to the readme due to that, though

Yeah, another reason not to do it

Bam>cmake

@Dune could you replace "fast build times" with maybe "our own build system"?

bam > cmake

True that the assertion doesn't hold with the last attempt

@gerdoe @Skayland we're open to new arguments

(just bam easier than cmake imo)

Yea bam is way easier

for compiling? for writing the build script?

both

Actually, its so easy to use i dont even know why CMake is an option now

14:40

Bam is like

14:40

3 words cmd command

cmake good in really big projects

Yea

how do you come to that conclusion?

14:41

what project in particular benefits from cmake due to its size?

xd

Projects with too many files to make a build script like the bam one maybe?

that sounds like we're drifting into the realm of speculation

An other thing When i first tried to compile 0.7 with cmake i had to watch a houndred tutorials until it worked, but i still have no idea what made it work With bam instead it was intuitive, the first time i compilled tw years ago i didnt even see the forums or anything, its so easy to use Bam, i think its, at least for tw, the best compiller

@Learath2 right

Maybe im just a cmake noob but thats my opinion

14:46

Anyways is good to have more options

I would guess some of that is affected by what you started with

14:46

I found it hard to explain to people trying to compile teeworlds that they need to open the dev console of msvs and navigate somewhere and execute a batch file to get bam

14:47

it was easier to tell them to download msvs and clone the repository directly there

just forking master and checking actions xdd

Oh well, on linux i can just second click in folder -> open console. never had that problem

on windows too

no, I don't have that in my context menu on windows

14:48

just checked

Yea thought so

shift + right mouse click

14:49

and open in console

I still like bam more One click download 1 second of download time Double-click, its installed now bam/bam/ release Done, so easy, i love it

or cd allpath

yes, but that is already harder: "just cd into that directory using the vs console" vs "click on clone this repository"

14:51

but I like the shift-click, gotta remember that

Well if windows has the second click console thing too then its even easier than i thought

that console probably won't work though

14:52

you need the vs development console

Why you need vs to compile btw?

14:52

Libraries?

it's a compiler

14:52

windows doesn't ship with a compiler

But if just install mingw on win then i dont need vs, right?

yes

Then why is vs even needed?

14:54

Is not vs like 1 or 2gb?

14:54

Just download mingw and you re done

vs2015

how much is msys2?

msys2 is similar in size by the time you are done installing all required packages

14:54

maybe a tad smaller

Around 100mb

14:54

Msys/mingw wiki says 110 (edited)

That's the base of msys2, you'll need mingw, cmake, make

14:55

Anyway, I'd suggest everyone use mingw, MSVC is just a struggle

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VS libs + clang is also an option

please no

14:57

mixing compilers and libs is all fun and games until you break something, then it's like a dozen hours of debugging

As clang requires the VS libs on windows it's pretty stable

Can we make a cbx file for tw? (edited)

Even Google uses this setup for Chrome

@Skayland cbx?

Codeblocks project file

yes, with cmake

Huh

cmake can generate all kinds of IDE projects

More an more IDEs even have cmake support without generating a project

at least msvs and clion have it

Generating an xcode project from cmake is actually quite useful if you want to profile on macOS, the only shortcoming is that the project structure is absolute shit so it's no good for any development

Spam again in the forums

spam >> site down >> spam again

cleaned

thanks

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