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vanilla supports 64 players, thus should support a scoreboard with that many players. has nothing to do with mods.

@Zatline if your opinion is that vanilla tw will always stick to 16 players, why do you care what the 64p UI looks like? That scoreboard has been around for 7 years now, it's legible (atleast as legible as the chat as the fontsize never goes smaller then the chat), it allows you to see all the information without breaking the flow of the game and that's the only thing needed from a scoreboard

08:08

I guess we are just talking to a brick wall at this point. So I guess we can implrment a paged one to say that vanilla actually supports 64p. Not like anyone playing on an actual 64p server will ever use the vanilla client

dune should play with ddnet client for a week to make up a good opinion

well yes tw supports 64 players so yes therefor it should allow an option to see all the players if there are 64 players ... but not all at once!

"it's not about making the game more suitable for some specific non-vanilla mode" why not? vanilla is boring and player count confirms this

08:27

it should be all at once lol

vanilla isn’t boring it’s just high skill cap and hard to get going

yeah sure

08:34

I prefer playing vanilla than some say ddrace all down to personal preference

yeah but it doesnt matter what u prefer, the total count supports more mods than vanilla

08:37

vanilla = 10, modded = (131 - 10) = 121

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08:37

the diference is there :)

08:37

and this is just for 0.7

08:38

on 0.6 there is 9 players in vanilla and 310 in modded

08:38

but u should continue focusing on the boring vanilla

08:38

that players migrate towards mods has always been the case only back in the days there were many different mods and player were more equaly distributed and there was no 64 players at all ... it's only now that DDrace is left as the one dominant mod that happens to use 64 players (for what reason even? it's not like the type is dependend to have 64 players anyway) (edited)

lmao

08:40

u actually have 0 idea of ddrace

08:40

"that players migrate towards mods" its always been the case due to vanilla being boring after 10 mins

08:40

you just confirmed my statement

08:41

ddrace is a coop mod btw, you can finish maps with 20 ppl on your team

08:41

or more

08:41

it also improves way more the social aspect of the game

a spamed chat of 64 players talking sure that must be wonderfull I imagine

as i said you have 0 idea xD

@Zatline how about you don't make assumptions about things you have no way of knowing? It's not that abnormal to play with around 30 people in the larger maps on ddrace. Server sizes grew with user demand not because the developers were having a pissing contest

09:46

As I said we should just implement a paged one for vanilla client as there is no point discussing this when everyone is so hellbent on their opinion

09:47

We will release a client with the proper featureset in due time anyway and @ChillerDragon already has one that people can use for the time being

@Learath2 Not only @ChillerDragon also @fokkonaut with his F-Client ;)

@Learath2 I feel like repeating myself a lot, but I'm personally happy with any scoreboard that is robust (does not break in rare scenarios), evolutive (appropriately changes size for small servers, like the current one does) and readable. Pages is the least headache way for me, but if people feel like going through the UI mess to make that work with 32 or 64p, that's all good by me

@jxsl13 note: vanilla supports 64 clients, with 16 players and rest spectators thus the 16 player scoreboard limit

The scoreboard was never meant to stay 16players @Assa

now this calls for an update

11:06

in the assa client i implemented a scrollable scoreboard, it was just the default scoreboard which more players and you could scroll the ui up and down

You have a client ?

I had in 0.6

11:08

I think the scoreboard just has to show all the playernames in the server and you need to switch between pages, maybe with pageup, pagedown, pos1 and end?

@Dune you find yourself in the same argument because we fundamentally seem to disagree on what it means for a UI to be "readable". We say it's plenty legible, you say it's not, rinse and repeat.

you say it's not

where?

13:21

https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1828#issuecomment-604951497

13:21

did you miss my last reply?

Oh, I actually did

13:28

Or rather didn't read it quite that well.

13:29

Either way, the vanilla lot doesnt exactly seem to enjoy the large scoreboard so we should probably implement something paged for them

@Learath2 As long as it is evolutive (looks similarly to what we have now on small player count), it wouldn't be an issue for the "vanilla lot", as they play on <16p servers

Well that's how it's implemented on both chiller and fokkonaut's clients

I'm dubious on how they fare with team games though (especially since teams can be imbalanced right?). I think all ddrace/city game modes are not team modes, so the problem doesn't exist.

13:34

So I'll tell you honestly, if I were to implement it myself, I would go with pages because I feel like it would be a brainfuck to try to make it work properly in all situations. If someone is willing to go through that brainfuck, that's fine by me

well idk of any 64p teamgames where such a heavy imbalance should be allowed, but we could fall back to a paged scoreboard for teamgames

team gamemodes have 16 slots only, so 8 on each side. nobys server allows 32 players, but i think only 16 ingame too, no problem there

I think the point is that we want a scoreboard that can handle every situation

i think the ddnet scoreboard can handle 32p team mode

15:01

so can the F-Client one

15:01

I think

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