Teeworlds - general

@heinrich5991 some1 told me you are an oldschool player (also ping me to answer me pls :p)

:0 define oldschool

hey im stopping teeworlds for a while, idk when i'll come back to it. Being randomly insulted/annoyed by people that i don't know or having a winrate close to 0 after more than one thousand hours isnt fun anymore. I had great times playing this game, wich is truly a wonderful game, but it's over for me. Bye and hf !

We see us tomorrow

13:31

You can't leave teeworlds

13:31

D:

Hey is here yuuri?

no here is patrick

Fvk

hm, the crusty crab.

Hello, I have been working on a tileset lately, (all numbers from now on are in pixels) the style i chose for the tileset was 16x16 pixelart which then is scaled (by 400% or 4x larger) to fit the tileset format of teeworlds 64x64 per tile and 1024x1024. After i drew most of the tileset i decided i would test it in teeworlds so i turned on my DDNet client (also tryed vannila 0.7 same issue) then imported the tileset image into teeworlds editor. The editor seems to do some sort of pixel distoration (interpolation)[Image n.1], which seems to take the colors of two pixels (1 when drawn, 4 when scaled to 64x64) next to eachthother and then ruins the flow and detail of the tileset.(from now on numbers are in tiles) Here are some examples of 3x3 dirt blocks ingame [Image n.2] and in the image editor [Image n.3] (in [Image n.4] i added a 64x64 grid if needed) i used (Aseprite). A guy called "Soreu" recommended me to try to use and exe called "dilate.exe" which is supposed to dilate the image [Image N.5], I don't see a major difference. If u dont notice a difference between ingame/editor and "Aseprite" here is a zoomed in comparison [Image n.6]. If u read this far thanks and i hope u can help me find a solution maybe this issue could be fixed with the new (Editor V2), If you want i can dm u the tileset. mistake the image below this is N.3 (edited)

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Image n.6 (edited)

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16:02

Sry discord shuffeled the images

the need for dilate/borderfix was fixed in 0.7

I just tryed what someone recommended thats all

Yeah, just saying, it's normal that it doesn't work well without dilate/borderfix in 0.6, and you should never use these for 0.7

16:04

I am surprised it fails on 0.7

16:04

not sure what image corresponds to what

they are all labeled

Ah, there is some explanatory text, nvm :)

which one is the original 64x64-based tileset to use for testing?

i can send u the 1024x1024 tileset if u want to test it

please do (or parts of it)

sent

cool work

16:14

pixel art

u havent even seen it xd

well, if that's the dirt block

16:15

I might guess that it will be cool :0

thanks i guess

teeworlds uses linear filtering (GL_LINEAR) that's why it is unsuited to pixel art

16:22

see here: https://open.gl/textures

OpenGL - Textures

An extensive, yet beginner friendly guide to using modern OpenGL for game development on all major platforms.

so GL_NEAREST would work with pixelart?

yes

16:23

I mean it would probably work better at least

Idk but would it be possible to make an option in the editor to choose the filtering then the editor will include it in the map file and then the client would choose the filtering depending on what u chose?

16:25

or is that too complex?

I'm gonna be honest here, I don't think we'll ever get an option like this

16:26

it is too niche of a feature to be worth the cost

isnt the nearest filtering overall better for tilesets mapping etc?

It is bad at scaling, except for pixel art where you want to preserve hard edges (your case)

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16:28

do you have a screenshot of your tileset used on a map in game?

while on a server or in the editor?

on a server (in game)

The image n.6 is from ingame but you want default zoom right?

yeah

16:30

on 0.7 preferably

it'll depend on your monitor resolution anyway

Again i get this glitch were i cant launch the server executable in default client i can screenshot in ddnet if thats ok? (edited)

16:32

0.6

sure

16:35

its not that bad but still way way different from the original in Aseprite

I think it looks great honestly

can't really zoom in to see the difference ._.

thanks i just wanted it to be perfect

16:37

@jxsl13 here you go zoomed in

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it creates these crossings which are super ugly (edited)

I mean, you usually don't see these little nuances with the naked eye without zooming in

i do

at least I don't see it in fullscreen

I'm going to make a whole lot of tilesets styled like this also ill make automappers simmilar too grass_main but a bit more complex and then make it free to use (with crediting me)

thats my plan rn im also working on authentic randomly looking cloud and cave backgrounds which will be tiles insteal of quads so they wont move but they will be able to be automapped into randomly looking (edited)

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._. we need a database for such stuff.

@jxsl13 make one

well, my css and html skills are limited

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xD

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like non existing (edited)

also there is this: https://teeskins.de/asset/mapres

Teeworlds Mapres Download (2000+ Mapres) - Teeskins

Download & Share: Teeworlds Mapres ▷ 2000+ Teeworlds Graphics ✓ Biggest Teeworlds Skins Collection ✓ Join Now ✓

I'd love to do the backend

@LordSk 🦋 After im done with this i was thinking of expanding a few corners of grass_main 0.7 since i think there are a lot options of conections missing, maybe it could then be used in Editor V2

sure, I'm eager to see it

I appreciate the thought of that project, but imo it's ultra heavy weight javascript. I think it currently does not load or safari is dying on me.

@LordSk 🦋 is there somesort of a deadline for ur editor project or u dont wanna rush it and stuff?

there is no deadline

10 years?

16:46

x)

also hopefully people will help me finish it faster since it is public

@bubliman changes to default tilesets require major, compatibility-breaking versions

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(it also breaks maps using them)

except if you only add to them right?

yeah

should be fine-ish yeah

I would add to them some corners and options of connections for example something like this is missing

not sure if there is room even

plenty

isnt that 0.7?

16:50

0.6*

no 0.7

oh okay

0.6

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xd

well, even then, older clients won't see it so no, you need a major version @LordSk 🦋

U can just update 0.7 ?

Servers using the new tilesets would show broken maps for everyone <0.7.5 @bubliman

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If you need such a tileset, just make it external

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it's only a few kB

u sure since i would use unused spaces in the tileset which are unused by the servers = that it wouldnt glitch

when they are used in the map, it would look transparent for older clients, @bubliman

i dont need it i just wanted to add a few options to mapping since current automapper does this

yeah the current automapper cannot work well with 1x1 tiles, except when they are alone. @Assa did his best to improve it

16:56

this cannot be fixed with a 0.7 release though

with default option the automapper works but the grass option doesnt do well since it has been forgotten or something

16:56

ye he did this right?

with default option? huh

16:57

well @Assa ^

not sure why there is a "default" and a "grass" and they are different

cave also doesnt work

16:58

@Dune default uses dirt walls while grass means grass is put everywhere

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I guess i will keep it as it is i was just annoyed i couldnt achieve perfectness. Thanks @Dune and @LordSk 🦋 (Gl with the editor)

thanks

@LordSk 🦋 Last thing how can i allocate sounds in the editor? idk the path

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is it mapres?

I don't think there is a better solution with the default tileset unfortunately :/

no you can't

wait why is there a option for sounds at all then

The editor includes no sounds, though it is an open issue: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1031

Ingame sounds · Issue #1031 · teeworlds/teeworlds

Would like to hear some ambient sounds while playing teeworlds (: Idea: You can load sound files in the editor and can assign them to some 'sound layer' (similar to quad layers) Sou...

a DDnet feature I assume?

You might be thinking of ddnet specific features

oh sorry

17:04

yeah any chance u know?

I don't, sorry

oh i got it it was mapres i thought they would have a seperate folder for sounds and images so i didnt even try to put it in mapres

yea ddnet has sounds in maps

17:13

wasnt ever very popular as far as i know

yes it wasnt

i might be wrong

17:14

i can only remember like one map using it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0EqbeCdAbQ&t=926s this guy used it and his maps looks and sounds cool but since vannila tw doesnt have moving interactive quads u cant do the same (edited)

danylr2

My DDNet maps - showcase (unofficial maps) | Teeworlds

what's this passionate map

the pacman styled one is pretty nice i would say

I wonder how many years of his life that person spent making those animations.

17:21

10 maybe

I dont know but i cant get animations to work i just dont understand the graphs with X,Y,S idk just really weird way to do it and since the only tutorial there is is in german by chillerdragon i cant even understand it but im exited for editor v2's style of animating

@ChillerDragon

17:23

you mean envelopes, @bubliman ?

ye

that whole system is whacky, but has potential (edited)

But chiller said there were no other tutorials so no need to ping him

last time I used it, you had to drag lines to get your animations to work ._.

17:24

and dragging was not precise at all

17:24

maybe 10 years ago ._.

ye i draged some lines to test it but i could get it to show me the result so i gave up

it auto refreshes the map you are playing on if you're logged in rcon

(hidden features everywhere)

wdum?

x)

if you are logged in rcon, on a server that hosts the map you are editing, it will reload the map so you can test ingame quickly by switching out of the editor

u mean like the command "reload" would do

yes

17:26

I guess that's a bit irrelevant

17:26

how come you couldn't test those animations?

so with envelopes i dont have to type reload?

with everything, it's a general advice thing

wait now im lost

I think the editorv2 will have a game view so it's even easier

(Y)

but why can't you test your map on a local server?

with reload the server gets the new map version

17:28

so does the envelope do that for u?

gotta save first maybe

ye of course

after saving I'd guess the client executes reload automatically

server