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squart_1000 is sending invites to DMs @Dune

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@Dune https://i.imgur.com/a4jVvxZ.png

19:59

He spamming again dummys

@MrCosmo any update from master2?

@Dune issue has been fixed. Server is banned.

great thanks

20:02

looking into that @Trafalgar Law

connecting dummies and advertising them in the master is okay, you just need to add the flags for them, so that the client can hide them if the Hide Bots checkbox is activated

20:29

But, this server doesnt send the flag, so the ban is deserved, looking at BotCTF or my server, you can see that there are bots too, also advertised

20:29

in 0.7 only ofc!

Yes, this is stated by the rules: https://www.teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=rules/server_rules

yes

question is, are those even server side dummies?

Yea but there is no flag

20:40

I have hide bots

if the server creator has any issue with this, he can contact us and we will solve it with him

how do you know that?

the dummies are gone anyway, tell me if it happens again @Trafalgar Law

clans say not a dummy, seemingly indicating it not being server side dummies.

I don't care, tag them with a flag so that the count of players reflect the count of humans

i just saw him connecting the dummies and disconnecting, all at once

20:44

most likely server dummies

nicknames seem fake, tho.

20:44

how to tag client side dummies?

you cannot

if it were those

you can server side, when it's a mod

also one could connect client side dummies in the same way.

if it's a malicious attack, he can contact us about it

20:45

he left no contact info in the motd

Mαtq#3467

20:46

its a little kid

20:46

i know him a bit from my server, hes playing there sometimes

if he's playing with client side dummies, is he supposed to fiddle with the server side code ?

20:46

chiiler's dummy would fall under the same kind of treatment.

we've already had those debates, I'm not going there again @jxsl13

so would ddnet dummies

yeah.

well, ddnet dummies can maybe seen as a real 2nd client

20:47

because you can actually and do control it

if one person connects with a multi client that has 32 such ddnet dummies (edited)

64 dummy client

please remove the link (edited)

see no problem there, but ok

is cheat

20:49

bot

there is a botless version

with zoom

and regarding dummies: servers have max per ip

20:49

ddnet has zoom aswell

if I'm not mistaken

20:49

zoom in an ingame way zoom way

?

20:50

@Dune mean for even removing the msg containing the name xd

don't advertise cheats please

lol

20:50

i did not advertise it as a cheat, just stated out there is such a thing already

I know your intent, but that's still advertising

so cant we talk about any clients here that has some kind of "cheats" in it? ddnet has zoom, its cheat, it has dummy, its flood

I think the ban should be done after clearly proofing that those are server side dummies.

ddnet has no cheats as far as I know

zoom?

20:51

aimline

20:51

dummy

20:51

hammerfly bot

20:52

copy move bot

@jxsl13 no, there are a limit of ips per player

clearly things that can help you, dune

like @fokkonaut mentioned

it's variable, ine could set that to 64?

20:52

one

if you do, moderate your server properly

i am not against ddnet client, i like it and used it all the time on 0.6, but just wanted to point a few things out :)

that's not an argument

@Dune setting max per ip to 64 is allowed

20:53

you cant do anything about it if an owner does so and then connects his 60 dummies

if you do, moderate your server properly

you dont have to

if you connect 60 dummies, mod the server to flag them properly

why? its client dummies

As mentioned, someone might be fiddling around with client side dummies.

@jxsl13 as said, i know that guy a bit, these are server dummies

I don't care if they're client side or server side, if you try to fake player count like that you get blacklisted

well, if you say they are server side dummies, he should flag them.

its not stated in the rules, Dune

20:54

@jxsl13 yea

that's restricting creativity, which you seem to valie highly.

you can read it in the "fake player count section" of the blacklist

value

20:55

but if server side, I'm fine, if not, I'm not fine.

what, dummies aren't forbiden, how is it restricting creativity?

someone testing their client side dummies.

20:56

might wanna have 64 dummies, tweaking them to work properly simultaniously.

since i could test my client side dummies on any server and the server owner could ban me, I don't see the problem?

there was a master ban for this

yeah, if you tested your dummies on any random server and that server gets banned for faking player count

which is correct in THIS case, because they are indeed server dummies which arent flagged, but in theory it could be client dummies

but how do you detect this in the first case?

what?

client dummies

you cant

except "strange player behaviour"

yea (edited)

you don't that's why these bans are kind of without proof.

thats the only way

and might hit the wrong people

yup

shrinking the hoster- and possible playerbase.

yes the dictator ship is strong here and bans are forever and false positives are common

bans arent forever

20:59

not all

they are?

there were unbans already in the past

well, I consider 10 years forever

are you stupid? Do I really need a sarcasm sign?

less flame pls. you seem not to understand the point.

strong words assa

21:00

should get a ban

go ahead ^^

do i really need a sarcasm sign? :p

:p

I love you all

hi marius

it's a theoretical discussion, it's good that fokko knows that those are server side bots. I think those bans should always be discussed properly. before hitting the wrong people.

ahhhh