Teeworlds - general

Dyn was default in vanilla for ages

since when ? i'm kinda new in tw ("only" 7-8 months) but i don't think that tw community renew a lot

Since very early

Most unfair, unnecessary and unbalanced feature added ever. Sry for the flame

It was not added, it's always been there

Well it was not a good choice then xd

It's necessary, you cannot see far enough with static for some things

oh ok i tought it was added

00:12

bcs some ppl want to delete it

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sorry i didn't understood

00:12

how old is this game ?

Some use dyn some do not -> some have advantages

depends how you count, some 12 years

12 years ?

00:13

ok

Dune: why do all the best ictf ppl all have dyn you think?

so the conflict between dyn/not dyn lasted 12 years xD ?

Nope

haven't seen much conflict

ye

@darkstar because static camera range is shorter than laser range

ok

True so dyn gives unfair advantage

Since it is a built-in option, it is arguable that it is unfair

Just stay out of range

Personally, I think dynamic camera is fine, but static cam' could use some adjustments given we have completely different hardware than a decade ago

My idea is just: no dyn, so its the same for everyone so equal chances

Well, people who are used to static and dynamic camera will have radically different opinions and you cannot reach consensus on this

00:18

And without consensus, this will not change, especially not on gameplay issues

Meh, what about using both

Very cumbersome and requires advanced customization knowledge

True, but moving from dyn to static is not hard, maybe a month and u are used to it

Good luck convincing the dyncam players

Many players use dynbind

00:20

Even if there would be a vote for deleting dyn cam. All dyn players would vote no and all static players will vote yes

And without consensus, this will not change, especially not on gameplay issues

delete static :P

Imho there is no consensus needed, there will always be ppl that disagree, but in the longterm it will be better without dyn

What about blue snd red team

Thing is... You cannot just remove it. You can easily readd it to the client. When you limit it server side there might be display issues for really fast moving tees

blue is better

00:23

delete red

Blue is unfair sometimes

@redix eh, you can clip the same way you clip atm, with the same margin

00:24

in the hypothetical scenario where you'd remove it, you could reduce clipping by a lot

00:24

I play blue vs pink, it looks nice :D

You’re anti-red then uh

my blue is lighter as well :) I don't like the saturated colors

Then you might see fast tees suddenly appearing. You can probably reduce the range yeah... But not too much

@redix same issue as you would have right now with dyncam

bye, got to sleep

Hmm true... So the range is probably way too high right now :O

for static, it is extremely high yeah (and a cheat factor)

00:28

a good compromise (imo) would be to bridge the difference between static & dynamic by a bit by increasing static

00:28

so you'd cover the range of a laser shot for example

Add spider senses on static

tee senses :D

Danger alerts

You realise that this is the reason that players tried to do this with using the zoom cheat to compensate the advantage of dyn

yeah no, with full static you have the advantage of seeing in every direction, that's just a cheat (over dyn players) (edited)

00:30

but right now how far you can see in races is very silly imo

Speed camera

That'd be a neat idea, @Sonix

00:31

Might fuck with aiming though?

Yes, but for example def in gctf with dyn, you know which way the tees will come so the other direction doesnt really matter

Sure but it matters in plenty of situations, you can't deny that, @darkstar

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Should be applied to moving direction and velocity

When people can see you in gctf you are too slow

:D

Especially on ctf5

What?

I wanna have medals for my flag grabs

00:33

teellama grab

Since its a fast paced game, u gotta go fast if u want to see more

00:35

Less if ure a snail

the argument should be as rand said static vs zoom basically. as long as the server sends that much info without the client needing it, it's an open door. dyn cam is also not balanced, especially combinations of dyn + static or simply full dyn cam with a mouse sens of 500 and dpi between 800 and 2000 alloe you to basically see the full dyn range in all directions.

You could at least optimize the code to just show players in dyn-direction

01:32

well, if you flick to fast player info isn't there?

which in fact would need to conpensate for latency, most likely also velocity. heinrich pointed out that this flicking might either imaginary or actually be covered by some blur effect in order for it to be some kind of motion blur. (edited)

motion blur sucks

so does having a disadvantage

01:36

on the full static end of the stick.

zoom in official tw will be stupid, because we are using png structure

08:37

we must use vector images for zoom implementing

When you make images smaller, you need less image resolution, not more

when im using ddnet and making images smaller, i get artifacts (edited)

09:27

blur image isnt good

4k screen for less blur?

@darkstar not all static players would vote no the pro static players accept dyn I also hate static enemys cause they can aim & move super fast in pvp (but ok for me) dyn in the other hand is very hard to learn ,to be pro but you can atleast snipe a bit. dynbind sounds cheaty but its ok I guess 1 more button to press. but was surprised that dyn is not main activated anymore. so people always call others pros bots, who dont see them when they get killed may delete static ? static 2 overpowered these dayz (edited)

dyn cam hard to learn -> people temd to use zoom clients if they are available. (edited)

I doubt that this is the general attitude

16:00

I think most people are on non-cheat clients

person uses zoom in vanilla/instagib/grenade/fng modes => community hates him and ban him by all time

similar: "aiming is hard to learn -> people tend to use aimbots if they are available"

thats right

which I also don't think is true

not all players are using cheats

I would go as far as "most players aren't cheating"

wow

Fair assumption

groundbreaking

Well, with people I don't mean everyone. In 0.6 a few were enough until someone gets caught and the whole situtaion escalates into tue direction of: everyone playing as if they use dyn cam are accused of zooming.

thats why my clan uses noby's antibot fng :o

19:08

it has a crude "anti zoom" too

0.7 & open source?

you said 0.6 (edited)

19:20

noby's fng is 0.6

0.6 is mostly dead and infested with cheaters, imo. at least what I played.

300+ players tho

so I don't care much about it

19:22

ddrace + fng?

19:22

or are there any other active mods?

0.7 can be infested with cheaters tooo

@jxsl13 ddrace, fng, monster, ctf/dm/tdm, zcatch, block, infclass, ifcity, gores :p people should stop saying 0.6 is dead smh, its gonna be alive and more alive than 0.7 until ddnet client forces everyone to update (if they ever do)

it will most likely, @Ryozuki ,

19:36

guess there is no monster on 0.7? infclass neither?

0.6 is not dead

porting the city is kinda heavy, I'd guess

ifcity is already ported

imo zcatch on 0.6 is dead, is there ever a server with more than 10 players, as that's the required minimum number of players to end a round there (edited)

There is

:o

Most often its full

its not 10 players, im sure its less

19:38

around 5

nice, gotta tell them to switch to 0.7

Depends what timenu look at it

and there is enough activity on zcatch

well, if one were to look at them from the chile timezone, I guess it might be more often empty

19:39

as most players are usually from Europe and russia

19:40

0.7 is rather active, but as active as it can get with an average of 200(?) players

Getting more ppl to play tw would be fun

19:41

But inwonder how a game like this can grow

19:41

I guesd it lacks a reason to come back for most ppl who try it

gotta get the game into german television again.

I would seriousoy invest time in making funnier oficial gamemodes

well 0.6 has more than 400 players

19:43

from all around the globe, so you wont see all of them at the same time obviously

This game has awesome tee x tee interaction which can make for good unique gamemodes

some kinda crowd funding for an advertising campaign, maybe some organizations funding open source or some of the more experienced professional programmers doing some talk with teeworlds as a base that goes viral? (edited)

A reason why ddrace was born

chillerdragon has like 11k subscribers right?