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Between 2019-12-25 00:00:00Z and 2019-12-26 00:00:00Z

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@whoever is working on the ddrace client, I'd like to suggest that it should not be made posisble to create a zoom client with commenting out 5 lines of code and that client having also the possibility to conceal its mouse position to a maximum of like 400, while being zoomed out(while in full static)

any particular suggestions on how to achieve that?

21:12

you can probably zoom out in vanilla client by changing one line or so

21:12

(statically)

I mean you had your camera ad the zoom in zoom out buttons with a rathe rnice abstraction, that did some if player in spec check

21:12

and*

21:13

I guess all someone had to do was remove that check

21:13

my problem would be mainly the part, where mouse position doesn't scale with the zooming

21:13

making ddnet based zoom clients hard to detect

ok, I just built a zoom client with that properties (static zoom) from vanilla by changing one line of code

remove dyn cam from base game

21:16

didn't touch dyn cam

from vanilla

yes. I didn't touch dyncam while coding the zoom

yeah can't really blame custom clients for that

21:17

it's already scriptkiddie-level of easy in vanilla teeeworlds

well, many clients were based on ddnet and the 0.6 vanilla based ones that used zoom seemed to send the scaled up mouse position

21:18

and as a LOT of clients are based on ddnet

21:18

might make sense to make it somewhat harder to achieve that

21:18

but I sadly dunno how

21:19

othe rthan what I said

21:24

but as ddnet never really cared about botting and other cheats on their servers and never had to deal with them, I guess my suggestion is obsolete

ddnet has to deal with bots as well

but not with zoomers

yes

and I guess the only bots ddnet cared about were the ones that allowed you to finish faster?

21:27

not the real aimbots?

aimbots also allow you to do this. I don't know if people have been banned for this though

m_Zoom = 1.5f; // Done ?

21:29

teeworlds code base is great

interestingly, no

21:29

I did it somewhere else

21:30

note that we've now achieved the opposite of what we wanted(?) we posted the line that you need to change (if it works, dunno)

I didn't try with dyncam though… but it becomes pointless

21:32

it could be prevented with network clip, but I'm afraid this is a feature so that entities appear smoothly on the border of the screen

yeah, the clipping is there in order to compensate pings

21:33

might b eposisble to send clipping based on previous mouse position

how ?

it could be largely improved with less wide dyncam though

cor direction the mouse points at

21:33

or*

(about pings)

the problem rn is that you need to clip as if the player was spinning with a full-distance dyncam

like having a funnel based on your mouse direction, you point at

that's terrible when the player quickly moves the camera

normally nobody would spin at full distance and or at leats not with a high mouse sense

I do flip between right and left when I see no one

yeah I think plenty of people would be bothered

21:35

just nerf the distance of the dyncam

21:35

and you mitigate the problem by a lot

or don't let cheaters dictate gameplay decisions IMO

like having a funnel to the direction pointed at and a smaller(shortened) finnel to the opposite direction

normally I'd agree, heinrich, but I think it's a win-win with gameplay there

21:36

and it's about the only cheat vector that is undetectable

it's about as detectable as a well-coded aimbot, I'd guess

well, time to marked, I'd call it is way shorter with this exploit compared to a well coded bot

21:37

market*

21:37

one line as you said

doesn't matter too much imo

well, guess players will have to live with dyn cam being clipped server side in the future

that's really bad for the user experience

I know

21:38

I don't see any other way, tho

imo +20% static -20% dynamic or nothing, don't hurt UX to fight cheaters

basic static cam zoomed out, you mean by 20%?

just let the client send the drift (when using dyn cam) and don't do anything specific on server

yes jxsl13

modder will be able to take account dyn cam to prevent cheating on their gameplay

by making it look bad if you move too quickly?

and then it might be add to vanilla with a new config variable :3

or not see enemies because you flick too fast

yeah ^

well, rand, I guess zoom seems to be a big advantage on vanilla as well, not only on modded server Oo.

21:46

e.g. for laser users, grenade as well

it does, but I don't fill that there are that much cheaterâ€¦

21:50

maybe because of the quantity of players

well, you are on 0.7

less players, less cheaters

now?

ofc

0.7 is damn young in tw time

I think newer ddnet clients are sending their zoom level @jxsl13 or at least that was planned

planned, but I didn't get around to it

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