Teeworlds - bridge

[quakenet] eawo2k4 BOT 2019-12-11 02:25:56Z

Heya

Learath but bam is nice for macOS apps and cmake is famous tool for ppl coming from non tw projects

07:54

I mean it’s not like there are too many changes so it’s unmaintainable. Sometimes it helps to have another possibility to build.

Learath2: you mean with CD or in general?

08:00

In general I agree that it's a lot of annoying work sometimes and there are unforeseen consequences of having to work with both because some project forks would only care about one

08:01

Unfortunately cmake's popularity makes it really useful for package managers etc. and bam is still quite faster :/

Of course everyone would rather everyone else get to use their build system :)

Dune: in what way is bam faster?

11:13

have you tried using -GNinja during configure time (and having ninja installed)

11:13

I'm not particularly attached to cmake, but I do think we should use one build system that is not just used by us

Dune: does the settings comment '# Teeworlds 0.7.3' update if there is a new version? Or is this planned?

heinrich5991: I absolutely agree that there are large benefits to support a popular build system such as cmake, and I'm not advocating for it going away

ChillerDragon: you can see what it does there: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2303/files

13:51

Namely WriteLine("# Teeworlds " GAME_VERSION); :)

13:56

heinrich5991: here, make -j4 is 73.82s/22.8s. ninja is 71.20s/20.027s. bam is 36.5s/11.0s

y i saw that i was just wondering if that version is planned to be changed

Well yes it should change every release

huh, it's 13s for ninja, 32s with bam, 14s with make for me. that is in real time

16:43

even if it wasn't faster though, does it even matter? I still wouldn't maintain a second build system unless the difference is an order of magnitude higher

Really? Strange, I did not tweak bam anyhow to achieve this and cleared all the files

17:33

It has some other advantages such as being arguably simpler, not requiring to list all files, and a lot of legacy teeworlds build flow is built on it.

17:33

Now of course I am biased like everyone towards tools I am familiar with

17:35

Contrarily to cmake, bam does not require to be constantly updated, so I think the maintenance cost is significantly lower

Cmake also doesnt require to list all files, you can use globs, but its not recommended

I don't like cmake at all tbh, but it's used by everyone and their mothers and I don't like redundancy in build systems, so it's what I'd go for

18:05

But it's just a suggestion anyway, build system debates are always very subjective

fair point

I would love something like maven for C++, but more KISS

redix, would you want to have both white and black colored clocks?

custom rendered clocks :'(

23:29

:( gotta learn go and or rust, would not need to choose a build system.