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Between 2019-02-07 00:00:00Z and 2019-02-08 00:00:00Z

[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> What do you guys think about assigning new players to a random team instead of TEAM_RED when there is an equal player count? Have there been any discussions on this in the past? Assuming that nobody leaves the game or switches the team, and there is a constant flow of new players, TEAM_RED will always have either one more player or the same amount of players throughout the whole game, which is kinda unfair.

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[quakenet] <Edible> its already random

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> Another option would be to assign the new player to the team with less points.

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[quakenet] <Edible> you don't know when someone is going to join or when someone is going to leave

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[quakenet] <Edible> thus random

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> it still gives an edge to team red

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> since they always get the new player first

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> with equal player count

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> that's where I'm getting at

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> if it's a popular server, it's unlikely that people will leave before the game ends

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> and still it doesn't matter

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[quakenet] <Edible> you are right, an if team_players_red == team_players_blue && lastplayer { lastplayer--; newplayer is blue } { lastplayer++; newplayer is red} would be nice

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[quakenet] <Edible> no clue how the code works, that's just an example

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[quakenet] <Edible> TeeSlayer: it also depends on the scoring of each team, if all the good players are in blue, whats the point of randomizing?

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> >Another option would be to assign the new player to the team with less points.

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> then only randomize if both teams are equally good in terms of points :D

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> It's just a minor detail which has bugged me for a long time

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[quakenet] <Edible> the score doesn't really matter though, what matters is where are the good players

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> it obviously can't fix balancing

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> the score doesn't matter? you mean the team score?

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> how else would we measure whether somebody is good?

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[quakenet] <Edible> I do know ddnet has a frag ratio but don't know how they implement that, but with the frag ratio you can balance properly

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> yeah that's not possible since only clients know of the k/d ;D

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[quakenet] <Edible> next version maybe?

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[quakenet] <Edible> well, if you're going to modify the server, might as well do it right

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> true

[quakenet] <Edible> this has been discussed before, it never gets implemented, its also hard to do a balancing act, especially in the middle of a round, if anything, the balancing act needs to be made at the end of one

TeeSlayer: you can easily keep count of K/D server side, but it should be team score based or random

[quakenet] <Yasusi> are there anyone who can help me with compiling?

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> ask the question :)

[quakenet] <Yasusi> so i want to compline a servert

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> Chillerdragon's mod

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> and I need visual studio 8/9/10 I have 10,and also 2017 but it wont recognise it

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> and I can't do any compline

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> Becouse bam wont recognise the visual studio

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> The specified configuration type is missing. The tools for the configuration might not be installed. === building bam === 'cl' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. 'src\tools\txt2c' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. 'cl' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

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[quakenet] <Learath2> it used to be that you either needed to use the visual studio command prompt or run vcvarsall.bat in a command prompt to get the PATH set up properly

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=compiling_everything_windows

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[quakenet] <Learath2> but it's been a while since I compiled with bam

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[quakenet] <Dune> you need to Run the x64 Native Tools Command Prompt (64Bit) from the start menu.

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[quakenet] <Dune> Bam does not recognise Visual Studio 2017

[quakenet] <Yasusi> Where can I get bam lua?

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[quakenet] <Dune> huh, it's in the teeworlds source

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/master/bam.lua

teeworlds/teeworlds

A retro multiplayer shooter. Contribute to teeworlds/teeworlds development by creating an account on GitHub.

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> I'm getting soooo much errors... :C

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[quakenet] <Dune> you could start by compiling teeworlds to see if it's teeworlds related or mod related

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> [string "src/base.lua"]:440: other/curl/curl.lua not found bam: script error (-t for more detail)

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> can't even build simple tw

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[quakenet] <Dune> there is no curl in teeworlds? I don't think you're building teeworlds

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[quakenet] <Dune> make a clean repo

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> there's only curl ddnet

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> just use cmake for ddnet ^^

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[quakenet] <Dune> he left

[quakenet] <Dune> damn, a search for a github IRC webhook service yielded me teeworlds.com on the first page :D

[quakenet] <Oy> :P

[quakenet] <Dune> shouldn't we link to https://github.com/matricks/bam/archive/master.zip instead of https://github.com/matricks/bam/releases/tag/v0.5.1 in the docs?

Bam is a fast and flexible build system. Bam uses Lua to describe the build process. It's takes its inspiration for the script files from scons. While scons focuses on being 100% correct when b...

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[quakenet] <Dune> arch detection doesn't work well on bam 0.5.1

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, sure

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[quakenet] <Dune> Also: Bam does not recognise Visual Studio 2017. As a workaround, to compile bam, copy line 45 to end from make_win64_msvc.bat and paste it in the x64 Native Tools Command Prompt

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[quakenet] <Dune> isn't that overly complicated?

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[quakenet] <Dune> might as well run it in the native tools command prompt

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[quakenet] <Oy> or maybe to the latest commit, so future commits which might break the master branch won't be used

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, just use the native command prompt

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[quakenet] <Dune> we can also link teeworlds/bam if we want to be safe

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[quakenet] <Oy> you want to build tw after bam anyway

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[quakenet] <Oy> the tw/bam needs to be up to date :D

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[quakenet] <Dune> it might be wisest to remove pull requests from https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds-translation

teeworlds/teeworlds-translation

Language files for teeworlds - we use transifex, please read the wiki - teeworlds/teeworlds-translation

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[quakenet] <Dune> maybe https://github.com/teeworlds/bam too? PRs should be discussed upstream, they can always be pulled/merged downstream

Bam is a fast and flexible build system. Bam uses Lua to describe the build process. It's takes its inspiration for the script files from scons. While scons focuses on being 100% correct when b...

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[quakenet] <Oy> like i wrote, you can't disable them :(

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[quakenet] <Oy> they might add such a feature in the future

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[quakenet] <Dune> oh?

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[quakenet] <Dune> missed that then

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[quakenet] <Dune> right

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[quakenet] <Oy> not sure about making them all left aligned https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1986

Make the visualiziation of labels consistent · Issue #1986 · tee...

This issue is related to #1985. Currently, labels are inconsistent visualized: Many are left aligned Others are centered Most have a colon Some have no colon (Server browser > Server details) I ...

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[quakenet] <Oy> settings->controls would look odd

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[quakenet] <Dune> definitely

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[quakenet] <Dune> only inconsistency I see is filters vs search/addr bar

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[quakenet] <Dune> and some missing colons I guess

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[quakenet] <Dune> welp that's already fixed

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[quakenet] <Edible> whats an IRC webhook service?

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[quakenet] <Dune> hopefully Transifex plays nice with the : in locales :/

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[quakenet] <Dune> I guess appending the ":" in the code is a bit dirty? :/

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[quakenet] <Edible> "github IRC webhook service"

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[quakenet] <Dune> Edible: an IRC bot that listens to events such as github commits/issues/PR and shows messages for it

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[quakenet] <Dune> there was one here until the service was discontinued last month

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[quakenet] <Dune> but I think now we're supposed to run the bot ourselves

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[quakenet] <Edible> ah, isn't that easy though?

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[quakenet] <Dune> there are a lot of easy things to do for Teeworlds, we lack people doing them :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, appending the ":" later would be a bit odd

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, search should be left aligned

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[quakenet] <Dune> Then that settles it

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[quakenet] <Dune> I would argue you don't even need colons in the Controls menus

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[quakenet] <Dune> You have a different background, that's enough

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[quakenet] <Oy> what did u mean with filters?

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[quakenet] <Dune> the labels under the filters

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[quakenet] <Dune> they are left aligned vs center aligned Search

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[quakenet] <Oy> ah

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[quakenet] <Dune> well this is all UX masturbation :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> :D

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[quakenet] <Dune> oh, german, portuguese, scottish and russian 100% complete the last two days :)

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[quakenet] <Oy> how about splitting the bottom info text in the server browser "xxx servers, xxx player" into 2 lines? then we have more space for the labels on the left (host address, search)

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[quakenet] <Oy> that'S good :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> it seems like those are transifex enthuasiasts that come to help with teeworlds, so it seems like transifex really brings something to the table here :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> Don't we have plenty enough of space there, Oy?

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, you get a wider audience with transifex, that's good. i remember, had to bother friends for translations in the past :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> Dune: dunno about translations

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[quakenet] <Dune> grep says longest Server address is tr": "Chomlec'h an herberc'hier :"

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[quakenet] <Dune> matching Servers is Frithealaichean

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[quakenet] <Dune> if something works in scottish, it'll work in everything, lol

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[quakenet] <Oy> oO, that looks crazy, lots of overlaps

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[quakenet] <Dune> I contacted the guy to avoid using server(s) style grammar

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[quakenet] <Dune> hm, the use of ":" varies per language, so can't add it statically

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[quakenet] <Dune> some language stats :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> grep | wc is fun

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[quakenet] <Dune> more first-time hints sketches

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[quakenet] <Dune> I'm a bit unhappy about the lack of mousewheel

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[quakenet] <Dune> Need to add the forementioned notice

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[quakenet] <Dune> hints can be closed by clicking X (needs Esc). That's the best compromise I saw with a hotkey (since we recommend pressing Esc for something else than closing the hints)

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[quakenet] <Oy> hm, it's odd to have some ui(clicking) ingame

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[quakenet] <Dune> could make it solid

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[quakenet] <Dune> :/

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[quakenet] <Oy> pressing esc should be good enough

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[quakenet] <Dune> alright then

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[quakenet] <Dune> I could support A-Z, 0-9, Space, Mouse1, Mouse2 (Mouse3?), Esc for the binds, and ? for the rest

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[quakenet] <Dune> I'll need a proper mouse gfx though

[quakenet] <Oy> you want to make it dynamic, based on the actual binds?

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[quakenet] <Dune> it is

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[quakenet] <Dune> (almost)

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[quakenet] <Oy> isn't it enought to make it fixed on the default binds?

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[quakenet] <Dune> could be, yes

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[quakenet] <Dune> I thought the system could be used for a later feature as an overlay, ingame or in demos. just some thoughts

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[quakenet] <Oy> you just show that tip on first play right? doubt people modified their binds by then

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[quakenet] <Dune> yeah

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[quakenet] <Dune> just thought that kind of stuff could be reused for demos and such :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> but I guess there aren't many controls that aren't visible in fact

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[quakenet] <Dune> just left and right movement

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[quakenet] <Dune> and they shouldn't display the hotkey, so I'll stick with hardcoding I guess :)

[quakenet] <Yasusi> has someone got chillerdragon's entities?

[quakenet] <Dune> best ask the maintainer directly when it comes to mods

oy, i think line 1-45 should get removed from bam make_win64_msvc.bat. It will abort with "You need Microsoft Visual Studio 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 or 15 installed" if you have visual studio 2017 or newer installed. Even if you run it in the VS Console

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or search for vs2017 tools in the batch script but i dont think hardcoded paths are a good idea

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