Teeworlds - bridge

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh89S

check if a map uses bezier curved envelopes on saving. otherwise s...

…e old, smaller envelope points

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 17628ee oy: check if a map uses bezier curved envelopes on saving. otherwise store old, smaller envelope points

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[quakenet] <Dune> all envelopes must have the same version? :o

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, otherwise the loading breaks :(

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[quakenet] <Dune> ouch, that's a bug I assume

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[quakenet] <Oy> could fix that, but current clients would fail for it

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[quakenet] <Dune> I see :/ that is unfortunate

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[quakenet] <Dune> I remember my first experience with 0.7: "oh a start menu, cool" > click play > Esc > click editor > Esc > "oh shit the menus disappeared how do I get out of here"

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[quakenet] <Dune> Maybe Esc in the editor could do something else than remove the menus =D

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[quakenet] <Oy> :P

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[quakenet] <Oy> like what?

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[quakenet] <Dune> leave the editor?

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[quakenet] <Dune> maybe that would be annoying if you type <Esc> once too much

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah

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[quakenet] <Oy> pressing esc in the editor does nothing for me

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[quakenet] <Dune> huh

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[quakenet] <Dune> but imo there's gotta be a "I'm not a nerd and don't know about Ctrl+shift+E, get me outta here"

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[quakenet] <Oy> you can go file->exit

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[quakenet] <Dune> ah, it's Tab that hides the menu

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah

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[quakenet] <Dune> that's how I got trapped :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> :P

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[quakenet] <Oy> maybe file could get a better name

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[quakenet] <Dune> or Double Esc could leave the editor

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[quakenet] <Dune> or there could be a X button

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[quakenet] <Dune> idk

[quakenet] <Dune> Oy: https://i.imgur.com/k0W6Dm2.png

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] Dune-jr opened pull request #1982: Mercifully add an exit button to the editor (master...editor-add-exit) https://git.io/fh85E

Mercifully add an exit button to the editor by Dune-jr · Pull Req...

I think that pretty start menu lures a few newbies into the hard-to-escape editor, from which many probably alt+f4. I suggest to add an X button where you would expect, basically emulating a safe C...

[quakenet] <Oy> Dune: maybe skip the round corners on top too?

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/355114/51326507-92e9d200-1a6f-11e9-804b-452f6581540b.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> better?

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah

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[quakenet] <Dune> hm, I did a #include <game/client/components/menus.h>, there might be a better way

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[quakenet] <Oy> oh, you shouldn't use components from the menus in the editor

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[quakenet] <Oy> the editor is pretty seperate right now

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[quakenet] <Dune> ah, I'll go with DoButton_Editor_Common

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, editor has duplicate stuff

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[quakenet] <Oy> until LordSK fises it :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> *fixes

[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/nZyeCt2.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> for some reason it doesn't look X symmetrical

[quakenet] <Learath2> looks a little too high

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[quakenet] <Dune> I just used DoButton_Editor tho

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[quakenet] <Oy> should be good for now >(

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[quakenet] <Oy> :)

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/fh8pS

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 118a1ad Jordy Ruiz: Add a merciful exit button to the editor

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master c456d30 Jordy Ruiz: Editor exit button: use editor buttons

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 8a5e6eb oy: Merge pull request #1982 from Dune-jr/editor-add-exit...

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> qwerty-qwertz(">(") = ":)" :)

[quakenet] <Yasusi> Can someone send me E-Book for learning C++? And lua also,It would be good if its free,i want to learn the basics

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[quakenet] <Dune> If this is for Teeworlds, you don't really need Lua :)

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> perhaps this helps? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/388242/the-definitive-c-book-guide-and-list

The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

This question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from

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[quakenet] <Yasusi> to Dune, i wanna make a client like ATH,and also some edit beside the client,so I will have to start with the very beggining :C

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[quakenet] <Dune> Yasusi: you don't really need any Lua to make a modified client

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[quakenet] <Dune> rip

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[quakenet] <Oy> that's a good list

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[quakenet] <Oy> "write great code" series by hyde, not in that list, still a good read

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4JK

moved "no limit" option for scrollbars to the right. closes #1978 ...

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 8454aa0 oy: moved "no limit" option for scrollbars to the right. closes #1978

@Yasusi Just know that learning programming with C++ will be a pain in the ***.

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But if you are somewhat familiar with programming, Scott Meyers "Effective C++: 55 Specific Ways ..." is definitely worth a read (but not free).

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4US

fixed graphic glitch when changing the decimal power for the value...

…th the scrollbar

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 60f13f4 oy: fixed graphic glitch when changing the decimal power for the value with the scrollbar

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[quakenet] <Dune> Oy: https://streamable.com/4l1d3

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[quakenet] <Dune> @Slayer *gV* he's gone

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[quakenet] <Oy> Dune: you are too late :P

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[quakenet] <Dune> dammit!

10 minutes late from work. I really hurried up. Grr!

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Really good book, though.

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] Dune-jr opened pull request #1983: Change some naming to fix some confusion around RgbToHsv (master...fix-rgbtohsv) https://git.io/fh4Ta

Change some naming to fix some confusion around RgbToHsv by Dune-j...

Fixes #1981

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4IV

cancel connection process when server is unreachable. closes #1975...

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 9d08f62 oy: cancel connection process when server is unreachable. closes #1975

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/355114/51334591-67bbae80-1a80-11e9-9ac9-d58d55694dc4.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> not sure what to do with that scrollbar

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[quakenet] <Oy> keep it the way it's right now?

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[quakenet] <Oy> day: could you open the console(F1) and then check if you can move the mouse there?

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[quakenet] <Oy> when the mouse is stuck top left corner

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[quakenet] <Dune> huh, I guess it always was like @Sonix suggested. Just looks strange to me

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[quakenet] <Dune> player count: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/355114/51335165-ad2cab80-1a81-11e9-869f-c5825790d629.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> doesn't work imo. I wish there was a visual cue to spot non-empty servers more easily :(

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[quakenet] <Oy> but it's not like on the image u posted right now

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[quakenet] <Dune> it's not?

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[quakenet] <Oy> no bottom

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[quakenet] <Oy> ends with the list

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[quakenet] <Dune> aaah

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[quakenet] <Oy> not bottom box with the search fields

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[quakenet] <Dune> that's why it looked strange

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[quakenet] <Oy> too many zeros in that picture. probably better to have just one zero and just space for the other one to keep the alignment

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[quakenet] <Dune> what about the right number?

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[quakenet] <Oy> same?

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[quakenet] <Dune> " 2/ 8"? " 2/08"?

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[quakenet] <Dune> only spaces then

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[quakenet] <Dune> or " 2/8 "?

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[quakenet] <Oy> hm

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[quakenet] <Oy> some image to check would be good :)

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[quakenet] <Oy> but " 2/8 " might be best?

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[quakenet] <Dune> maybe

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[quakenet] <Dune> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a816d7d5ce31b4ad9285f0db942998d5/image.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> it's not fixed width :/

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[quakenet] <Dune> need to hack something with the width of 0

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[quakenet] <Dune> ah, that won't work

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[quakenet] <Oy> some graphical indicator for empty servers might be a good idea

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[quakenet] <Oy> maybe less alpha just for player column?

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[quakenet] <Dune> I made some attempts with https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/355114/48855719-eebc1580-edb4-11e8-87fb-8e687eb11086.png a while ago

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[quakenet] <Dune> has a few inconvenients

Way too many colors

[quakenet] <Dune> yeah I am no @Zatline, the yellow is horrible :D

Some more space left and right of the slash could increase the readability

[quakenet] <Dune> Another idea: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/355114/51336164-288f5c80-1a84-11e9-97b7-1202ab5182a1.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> (replace with decent colors)

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[quakenet] <Dune> (or grayscale)

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[quakenet] <Dune> but that's a bit offtopic

Does the number of specs matter when searching for a server?

[quakenet] <Dune> not so much I guess :) it matters whether there is a player slot and whether there is a spec slot

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, wouldn't go with colours

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[quakenet] <day> Oy: no, I can't move it there either.

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[quakenet] <Oy> ok

[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> tfw my teeworlds servers are super popular :3

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> if anybody else would host classic ddrace maps it would probably change though

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/ZYXOhCL.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/YQvjHAA.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> not so easy to make a visual cue :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> I'll give up for now

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[quakenet] <Oy> ok. yeah hard :)

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[quakenet] <Oy> Dune: do u already have sth to align the player column?

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[quakenet] <Dune> huh, not sure what you mean

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[quakenet] <Dune> I can left align/right align

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[quakenet] <Dune> but aligning the / is hard

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah aligning the /

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[quakenet] <Oy> i'll code sth for u :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> I'm trying something

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[quakenet] <Dune> (probably different)

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/a5MljMD.png

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[quakenet] <Oy> http://www.solidfiles.com/v/yRBq3KAjDkw2n

screenshot_2019-01-17_19-01-58.png | Solidfiles

Download screenshot_2019-01-17_19-01-58.png on Solidfiles.

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[quakenet] <Dune> looking clean :)

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> Dune: that looks better tbh

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[quakenet] <Oy> what are the empty entries?

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[quakenet] <Oy> https://pastebin.com/LzJpJVwD

diff --git a/src/game/client/components/menus_browser.cpp b/src/ga...

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[quakenet] <Dune> empty servers, haven't done them yet

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[quakenet] <Oy> ok

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[quakenet] <Dune> mm, nice

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/JLV4Bho.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> arr, still doesn't look good

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> why are logs deleted after every restart?

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> is there a setting to change that?

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[quakenet] <day> the main menu is kind of awkward to use as well

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[quakenet] <Dune> main?

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[quakenet] <Dune> https://i.imgur.com/2wGeiNy.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> can't make boxes look good :c

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[quakenet] <Oy> TeeSlayer: no, it always uses the filename set by logfile

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[quakenet] <Dune> back to Oy's solution - might want to have less space around the / tho

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[quakenet] <day> Dune: as in the menu that you see when you start the game.

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[quakenet] <Dune> I think it looks good

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> Oy: weird. it always deletes them after a restart.

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[quakenet] <day> it looks good. it's just, useless?

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> I don't mean restart as in rcon command

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[quakenet] <Dune> then you can skip it if you like

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> full restart

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[quakenet] <day> oh?

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[quakenet] <day> thats an option?

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[quakenet] <day> nvm :^)

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[quakenet] <Oy> TeeSlayer: yeah

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[quakenet] <day> totally did not expect there would be an option to skip a main menu, thats a first :D

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[quakenet] <Dune> day: it lets you go to Editor/Demos

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[quakenet] <day> yeah, getting easier to the editor definitely is nice

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[quakenet] <Dune> I think @LordSk 🦋 would agree with you :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> TeeSlayer: it recreates the logfile when you start the application. old content is gone then

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[quakenet] <day> on which part?

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> Oy: yeah that's my problem. I don't want that

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> currently I'm archiving the logs with a cronjob, but that's not a solution

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah. sth could done about it

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[quakenet] <Dune> btw if(Num < 100) Button.x += RenderOffset;

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[quakenet] <Dune> is that necessary, Oy?

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[quakenet] <Oy> i think the browser can show >64 player servers

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[quakenet] <Dune> ok

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[quakenet] <Dune> like that, Oy? https://i.imgur.com/kf8Wkob.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> cues that would be nice to have: (1) server is full (2) server is empty (3) player slots are full

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[quakenet] <Dune> right now, there is (1). this would add (2)

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[quakenet] <Dune> maybe this for (3)? https://i.imgur.com/6qJY2q5.png

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[quakenet] <Dune> or a better gfx (hello @Zatline =D)

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[quakenet] <Oy> (2) looks good

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[quakenet] <Oy> (3) bit odd - and might overlap for 64/64?

where is the issue?

[quakenet] <day> jusqt noticed the ctf5 map change. now i cant grief anymore :<

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[quakenet] <Dune> on the bottom of the map, you mean?

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[quakenet] <day> yeah

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[quakenet] <Dune> @Zatline we are trying to make the server browser player count column look good

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[quakenet] <day> i still dont get why its the #1 pub map. it doesnt work at all for pub games

it already looks good?

[quakenet] <Dune> day: it's big and it's fun, there is a fight area in the middle, there are unhookable, pits, etc

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[quakenet] <Dune> correct, let me refine my thought

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[quakenet] <day> it's just too big for uncoordinated play imho

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[quakenet] <Dune> I'd like to make it convey more information, such as: player slots full @zatline

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[quakenet] <day> not your problem. i jsut dont get why server admins pick this map

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[quakenet] <Dune> it's not the server admins, day, it's the players. When I get a pub game started on any other map they try to vote ctf5

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[quakenet] <day> maybe it's because they die less, due to the size. idk

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[quakenet] <Dune> so maybe there could be some sort of icon next to the XX/XX ? if you have any idea

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[quakenet] <Dune> (see previous screenshot)

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4ce

added a config to add a timestamp to the logfile and added an exte...

…on to the log filename

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master ae343e3 oy: added a config to add a timestamp to the logfile and added an extension to the log filename

hmm don't really see waht's wrong with it Dune, it's generic in a good way it works fine

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doesn't it?

[quakenet] <Oy> TeeSlayer: grab that commit ^ and set logfile_timestamp to 1

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[quakenet] <Dune> yes, but it doesn't convey all information it could

which may be a good thing, too many info is not good either

[quakenet] <Dune> that is a good point

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[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> Oy: thanks, I'll do. to apply that I need empty servers first ^^

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[quakenet] <Dune> if it cannot be done simply enough and elegantly enough, it probably shouldn't be done

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[quakenet] <Dune> I find it, however, frustrating to jump on servers and find that there is no player slots - so I would have to switch the "count players only" filter all the time

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[quakenet] <Oy> Dune: agree

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[quakenet] <Dune> Opened https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1984

Visual cue for servers for player slots · Issue #1984 · teeworld...

<Dune> like that, Oy? https://i.imgur.com/kf8Wkob.png <Dune> cues that would be nice to have: (1) server is full (2) server is empty (3) player slots are full <Dune> right now, th...

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[quakenet] <rand> otherwise, you can use tee for teeworlds_srv

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[quakenet] <Oy> good to seperate it from the pr

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[quakenet] <rand> teeworlds_srv -f conf.cfg | tee -a log

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[quakenet] <rand> tee everywhere

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[quakenet] <Oy> \o/

[quakenet] <TeeSlayer> rand: hm, true

Isn't this one solved? https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1046

Autokick for spectators · Issue #1046 · teeworlds/teeworlds

Add an autokick option to remove idling spectators which block player slots. warn the spectator before taking action

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And this one: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1201

Suggestion: separating spectator slots from ingame slots · Issue ...

With separating spectator slots (the amount of spectator slots should be the decision of admins) from ingame slots, we could solve some "issues" and open new ways to organize servers. Ben...

[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, could probably close these

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4Vr

removed no longer used info icons · teeworlds/teeworlds@d87c2cb

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master d87c2cb oy: removed no longer used info icons

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4ol

added a separate option for kicking inactive spectators. closes #1...

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 0dd1422 oy: added a separate option for kicking inactive spectators. closes #1906

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[quakenet] <Dune> o/

hey, does anyone know why the masterservers 1-3 are down?

[quakenet] <Oy> they are?

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[quakenet] <Dune> for 0.6, seemingly

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[quakenet] <Oy> that's good i think

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[quakenet] <Oy> they're unfixable for 0.6, so better keep them down

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[quakenet] <Dune> the 0.7 happened for a reason, yeah

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[quakenet] <Dune> it may be a bit early for that, it's been a bit over a month

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[quakenet] <Oy> well from the perspective of the hoster of the masters it's understandable. you don't want to provide a dos service

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[quakenet] <Dune> hm, right

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh46M

fixed rcon prompt when in loading state. closes #1886 · teeworlds...

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 65a5eac oy: fixed rcon prompt when in loading state. closes #1886

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[quakenet] <Oy> what's the problem here https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1914 ?

Auto-completion of name often(always?) fails with one letter · Is...

Repro: In the chat, type a letter and press tab in a crowded server, you won't get the completion expected.

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[quakenet] <Dune> hm

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[quakenet] <Dune> I experienced this too

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[quakenet] <Dune> for example, if this IRC was Teeworlds and I autocompleted O, I might get someone else than you - not starting with O

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[quakenet] <Dune> mostly happens when the server is crowded afaik, clear bug

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[quakenet] <Oy> ok. so it doesn't start with names that start with the letter u type?

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[quakenet] <Dune> yes

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[quakenet] <Oy> k

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[quakenet] <Dune> difficult to reproduce :/

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[quakenet] <Dune> > crash twice doing the same thing

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[quakenet] <Dune> > start debugger

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[quakenet] <Dune> > no crash

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4Pv

fixed auto-completion for names in chat. closes #1914 · teeworlds...

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 6deaaf0 oy: fixed auto-completion for names in chat. closes #1914

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[quakenet] <Oy> what were u doing?

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[quakenet] <Dune> o.o

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[quakenet] <Oy> to make it crash?

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[quakenet] <Dune> loading a map - but I'm not on master

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[quakenet] <Oy> oh ok

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[quakenet] <Dune> I don't know how to deploy any windows debugging tool that can be invoked after the crash :/

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[quakenet] <Dune> good job for the autocompletion fix, that's an impressive one without being able to reproduce :D

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[quakenet] <Oy> do u have ms vs installed?

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[quakenet] <Dune> it's in a zombie state

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[quakenet] <Dune> do u know how to make the "debug" prompt work?

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[quakenet] <Dune> I used to have it on vista

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[quakenet] <Oy> build debug tw version with cl compiler. open ms vs. then File->Open->Project/Solution. then find the the executable. then start the executable from ms vs(green start button on top)

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[quakenet] <Dune> yeah, but you need to know you're going to crash - or always play like this

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[quakenet] <Dune> I used to have this https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/5825647d-bb50-4091-8c01-cf2e23f3383a?upload=true

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[quakenet] <Dune> third option says "Debug the program"

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[quakenet] <Oy> doesn't it automatically start ms vs then?

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[quakenet] <Dune> it does

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[quakenet] <Dune> did I misunderstand?

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[quakenet] <Dune> can you load the program in vs after it crashed using your instructions?

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[quakenet] <Oy> you could tr debug->attach to process

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[quakenet] <Oy> *try

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[quakenet] <Dune> oh, ok

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] oy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fh4Xw

check pointer before freeing it · teeworlds/teeworlds@6dfb31c

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[quakenet] <Teeworlds> teeworlds/master 6dfb31c oy: check pointer before freeing it

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[quakenet] <Dune> huh SDL_free isn't in the SDL2 doc

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[quakenet] <Dune> can't know if it checks for null pointer

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[quakenet] <Oy> better be on the safe side :)

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[quakenet] <Oy> day: you could try to remove that line https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/master/src/engine/client/input.cpp#L218 and the #endif 8 lines down - maybe that fixes the stuck mouse cursor

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[quakenet] <Oy> that did it for me on mac at least

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[quakenet] <Dune> what did you have in mind for "Maybe showing a box with less alpha when they're not selected"

[quakenet] <Dune> doesn't look great

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[quakenet] <Oy> yeah, looks bit odd

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[quakenet] <Dune> btw bots shouldn't be counted in total players

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[quakenet] <Oy> well. depends on the filter setting

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[quakenet] <Dune> aren't total players supposed to be filter independent

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[quakenet] <Dune> like the stat on the bottom

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[quakenet] <Dune> or you think it should default to with bots

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[quakenet] <Oy> default is with bots yeah

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[quakenet] <Oy> bottom value also count specs

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[quakenet] <Dune> right

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[quakenet] <Oy> out now. gn8 :)

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[quakenet] <Dune> gn8 :)