Teeworlds - development

Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Issue closed: #16 Compiling on mac with SDL2

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Pull request closed: #17 Added missing server commands and updated compiling everything

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Dune-jr

[documentation:master] 12 new commits

5dc216f added missing server commands - Fisico 5df3e70 splited compiling documentation for each OS - Fisico 0844883 added bam downloads - Fisico 9d6f059 whitespace update - Fisico 83a6169 fixed targets, architecture and -f flag - Fisico

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Issue closed: #14 Additional info, where to put SDL and Freetype includes and libs

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Issue closed: #13 Link to download for bam 0.5

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Issue closed: #12 Target 'content' should be documented in compiling_everything

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Issue closed: #4 FAQ: Tetxure issues

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/teeworlds-translation] Issue closed: #65 Add a bit of context to these translations

Download and unzip bam to teeworlds-version\bam
Run make_win64_msvc.bat to compile bam

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i don't think, you'll be able to compile bam that way

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with VS2017

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bam don't support vs2017 iirc

Dune-jr

[teeworlds/teeworlds] New branch created: gamer

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds:gamer] 66 new commits

4aa74e3 Add gfx_game_tiles - Dune-jr 31eea37 Add entities_clear.png - Dune-jr 08cb675 Added in-game browser - Dune-jr a6c5322 exp - Dune-jr 920a791 exp (missing files) - Dune-jr

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/teeworlds] branch deleted: gamer

@Savander should add a warning in this case

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I don't have vs2017 so I have no knowledge of that

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we should definitely add a warning or something

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PR-ing is easy on the doc, you can do it directly on github :)

there's no easy step

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to use vs2017

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You have to edit make_win64_msvc.bat and win32 probably

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and somehow, hardcode proper path to use vs2017

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and im not really good writer

just a WARNING: does not work with VS2017 will probably do it for now

The thing is, bam 0.5.2 doesn't add by default, vs2017 into that .bat file (edited)

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because, vs2017 doesn't add ENV, with path to Build Tools

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so it's hard to fix it, :/

:c

WaRNe0nx3

[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #1936 deathtiles still skipable?

So in 0.6 it was possible to skip 1tile wide deathtiles with enough speed caused by either ninja sword, or enough grenade spam and gravity. This is probably only relevant in Race but still it would be nice if it is fixed.

Some thoughts about the current broadcast: 1. The broadcast color is kind of unusable for mods, as it is disabled by default and there is no way to request this information server-sided (is there?) to eventually handle it. 2. I strongly dislike that the font size reduces on mulitple rows (accessibility, disruptive).

yeah its done bad

Read https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/1718 first

Server broadcast by LordSk · Pull Request #1718 · teeworlds/teew...

Server broadcasts appear at the bottom of the screen, and fade away after 10s. They can use different text colors with aspecial prefix: ^XXX, with X = [0-9]. Examples: ^900 is full red, ^050 is hal...

Ok cool, nothing new there. Grumpy oy disliked a new feature like always, and the reduced font size still reduced the accessibility.

The broadcast was supposed to be removed, we reintroduced it, and made some compromises (and even added a feature along the way)

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I mean, if you have complaints, Oy isn't on this discord

11:49

If you want my opinion, though, I'd tell you that Oy is a lot more flexible now

I know, I know. There must be a reason why i posted this here and not on the bridge channel

I don't see the point then

Anyway, it is pretty much impossible to use colored broadcasts with mods to convey information. As the majority won't even know that such a feature exists.

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I don't see a point to argue with oy about that. Just wanted to... ugh, let my anger out. If that makes any sense in english.

I don't see a point to write it here either

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I think it's best to avoid talking on people's back :)

@Savander @Dune i opend a issue on the bam repository a while ago. workaround is to run the lower part of make_win64_msvc (Line 45 - end) in the vs console i will add this in the documentation (edited)

thanks

12:47

bam is sporadically updated. put the workaround in the doc :)

Sorry for the chat, @Dune. Jesus cries.

@Slayer *gV* do you think a new player would appreciate joining a random server with a blinking broadcast advertisement at the bottom of their screen?

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without knowing how to disable it

Don't really see any difference to an uncolored blinking broadcast advertisement.

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Both annoying.

You still see my point.

12:56

I had to consider the experience of every player when making the broadcast system

Good point actually though, didn't think that you can blink with whitespace broadcasts, huh :/

I had limited screen space to work with, and other constraints as well

Correct. For now, if I would use color to convey information (as a side note: for the sake of accessibility I shouldn't, yeah). Then new players are excluded from it for not knowing. That is the other worst case scenario.

Sure it could be better for mods, but that is not the 1st intended use.

Still then, I feel like it is the mods owner responsibility to not push annoying messages.

A month ago there were no broadcast nor colours.

There are other ways to do it, even without colored broadcast messages. (edited)

12:59

What is the use case then?

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I didn't see any colored "vanilla" message?

Yes because we failed on launch at giving out the information that it existed at all.

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I'd also like to point out that Oy didn't seem to like the feature very much, and yet he allowed it into the game.

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Not many players know about the feature for now (again, our fault), but I'd like to believe that in the future the majority of them will enable it.

Should write a blog post on that :)

I am very sure that most new players won't. And that makes it unusable for mods at all.

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Experienced players may en-/disable it on purpose or for personal preference. But not newbies.

Take it as a bonus

Or make a huge message and put it on your map.

should be the modders choice to suggest enabling colored broadcast if they use any

I don't know I feel it is still better than make them download a whole other client, don't you think?

redix's race mod uses color nicely - it works without, but it looks better with. it is a good example

as per vanilla and pure gametypes, it fits keeping it disabled

Fisico

[teeworlds/documentation] Pull request opened: #18 Added workaround for compiling bam with VS 2017

Added workaround for compiling bam with VS 2017

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Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Pull request closed: #18 Added workaround for compiling bam with VS 2017

13:07

Dune-jr

[documentation:master] 2 new commits

cbcc515 added workaround for compiling bam with VS 2017 - Fisico f95895f Merge pull request #18 from Fisico/master - Dune-jr

documentation is so confusing in the website buh

Weren't you one to insist that colors shouldn't be used to convery information, only to make it look better, @Slayer *gV* ?

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@Sonix suggest improvements then :)

to create a new website from scratch

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as it is obsolete already

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but im glad my documentation idea got implemented, so better than nothing /shrug

who does it? current devs? should trinitee be prioritized, meaning that it delays 0.7.3 for a long time?

@Dune Yes, but for mods there may be use cases due to the limited modding possibilities.

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Or use cases where color improves features ALOT.

Is trinitee still a thing? @Dune (edited)

Then if you have such a case, inform the players about it.

I guess I have to. But who reads server generated chat messages?

then do broadcast spams

I mean, 0.7.1 (and 0.7.2) is already out with optional colors, so at this point nothing can be done already

There is also the motd

So, again, what's the point, venting that @LordSk 🦋 didn't implement the feature the way you think it should be?

Only if you don't already use the broadcast.

It was a lot of work to get broadcast back into teeworlds and to add a new feature. This kind of permanent complaining is discouraging

@Dune an important website change should go along with a major release

this will delay the next major release by a long time then, @Sonix, as it is a lot of efforts

There's any plans for better mod support in future versions?

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0.8 ->>

few plans set in stones, but 0.7 already brought better support, so I don't see why not

@Dune obviously something could be done – it could be made enabled by default

For example, now we have that "mod.cpp" thing

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but, actually we can't do much with it

@heinrich5991 but it is already not by default for 0.7 players, so you can never count on it

for example, we could give developers more evenets

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so they will not mess with core

yeah, would be nice

@Dune yes, but you could change that. it's not really technical problem

I think, colored broadcasts should be enabled by default as well

(this doesn't touch on the rest of the argument obviously)

you can never host a 0.7 server and count on everyone seeing colors

It doesn't matter if it's white, or colored for adverts

yes, because people could disable it

rather because there will always be 0.7 players that are unaware that it exists

but we could change the default for existing players, that's really not a technical problem

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no, see above

I mean you can disable chat but we still do mods that count on the chat

yes

Because everyone is aware of it

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You can change the default for existing players? How?

Still you enabled the chat by default, even though some people can' t read

introduce a new config variable value e.g. 0 - default (on), 1 - enabled, -1 - disabled

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I mean if you can describe it in words, you can usually program it ^^

Yes, but existing players will not use that config variable?

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it's a technical problem

I just wanted to use a new value for the existing variable

Fisico

[teeworlds/documentation] Pull request opened: #19 Fixed lines from make_msvc.bat

Fixed lines from make_msvc.bat

namely "-1" for disabled

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0 would be come as the default, also from the old version (i.e. not chosen explicitly)

there has to be some misunderstanding

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you suggest adding a config to make the server aware of what client version players are using?

currently we have MACRO_CONFIG_INT(colors, 0, 0, 1, …) (edited)

because you can never count on everyone having this feature on a 0.7 server (since it would only be for 0.7.3 and above) (edited)

if we change that to MACRO_CONFIG_INT(colors, 0, -1, 1, …), then everyone who upgrades and hasn't changed anything has this variable still at 0

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so we then define that 0 always follows the default, i.e. in newer versions "enable color broadcast"

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old players would get this — this variable is set to 0 for them after all

Dune-jr

[teeworlds/documentation] Pull request closed: #19 Fixed lines from make_msvc.bat

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Dune-jr

[documentation:master] 2 new commits

685f6dd Fixed lines from make_msvc.bat - Fisico 8d49a84 Merge pull request #19 from Fisico/patch-1 - Dune-jr

but you can still disable it manually if you want

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thus, we have changed the default

I don't doubt that you can make it work for players that upgrade

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The original point is: DuneToday at 2:16 PM but it is already not by default for 0.7 players, so you can never count on it

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so changing the default for 0.7.3+ would not achieve anything in terms of features a 0.7 server can count on, right?

@LordSk 🦋 Btw: Thank you for fighting for the broadcast. It is a really important feature for mods.

(edited)

didn't do anything, it's all @LordSk 🦋

Sorry. No thanks for you then

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And btw, don't feel bad for complaining. The game won't game get any better if people aren't passionate about it. (edited)

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This was a nice discussion overall I think.

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As long as you're not personally attacking anybody, this is fine.

Marry me, please!

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@Dune why would a website delay that much a release? Its not like we're not used to delays

who would work on the website?

It also depends if we want to integrate the website with the game

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registrations etc

it is a lot of efforts regardless

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who would do it?

no idea, someone willing to help would pop up surely

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as for now even updating by a tiny bit would be cool

well, trinitee is kinda on hold until this person pops up or we freeze dev and change priorities

especially the forum

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wasnt trinitee dead

what is trinitee?

last update is in 2011

a teeworlds.com that would look like http://race.teesites.net/, @Savander

you mean, redesign?

but really, the problem is manpower, @Sonix . I'm all for a site refresh, all the problem is who does it

we pick a random lucky guy

in free open source land, stuff gets done when people find it interesting to do

Shouldn't help a staff recruitment? There is a lot of people interested and I am sure that they want to contribute someway in teeworlds since a long long time...

there is almost no staff, anyone who wants to contribute can and is welcome to

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the only person with significant privileges is Oy

Interested people could work in teams and give their contribution in a limited date, to start doing that just lets choose the most requested features in 0.7 and divide the job in graphic designers and developers

there is the milestone for that: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/milestones

teeworlds/teeworlds

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contributors - devs and gfx designers - can request to be assigned

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for example, @Zatline was assigned to https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1911

tileset bugs in 0.7 · Issue #1911 · teeworlds/teeworlds

I just looked into the mapres in 0.7 and found some bugs, some are minor, some not. I made a gallery on imgur: https://imgur.com/a/dQRWfrd

well for gfx ppl should follow specific guidelines etc

Dune-jr

[teeworlds/teeworlds] Issue opened: #1937 The "New filter" text field does not behave well

I tried to add a "Favorite gametypes" filter and it quickly glitched. !ezgif com-video-to-gif 1

What are the guidelines to make a design look *teeish"?

oy

[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request closed: #1919 Fix build for msvc

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oy

[teeworlds:master] 2 new commits

4a92b40 Fix build for msvc - msiglreith e15d1af Merge pull request #1919 from msiglreith/msvc_b... - oy

@android272 or @Sonix should publish them imo

Landil had puplished a good guideline already may have to be updated, need to check where that was

oy

[teeworlds/teeworlds-libs] New branch created: master

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oy

[teeworlds-libs:master] 1 new commit

131607b initial commit. adding freetype 2.9.1 and sdl 2... - oy

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oy

[teeworlds/teeworlds] Pull request closed: #1347 Fully implement automatic download script, replaces #1344

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oy

[teeworlds:master] 6 new commits

67f63d3 Added download script - Zwelf e21cab3 Fixup download.py and integrate into bam.lua - Henningstone 3da60b8 Use Python's argparse and only run download.py ... - heinrich5991 a1f9f1c Fix autodownload in bam.lua and download.py - Henningstone a86c661 Merge branch 'master' into pr-downloader - oy

oy

[teeworlds:master] 1 new commit

0c6efd1 use official lib repository for building on win... - oy

oy

[teeworlds:master] 1 new commit

a62048e fixed dependency downloading on windows - oy