Teeworlds - bridge

[quakenet] <Landil> the less players have to move the mouse to do coherent clicks the better the UI

04:27

[quakenet] <Landil> function first ... form follows function

[quakenet] <Landil> Regarding "Add flag for ai-controlled players #1390", you might have a look at the quick concept here https://i.imgur.com/n6CfN7G.png An archetype robot antenna. One might think about an animation of radio waves, if people tend to hide the antennas with a decoration, but I am not a big fan of it. Not yet another animation :/ I like the two antennas at the bottom with custumizable colors :D Some shading could be done there

cool antennas Landil, i like it a lot

04:46

I also tought about a chip implantat maybe wich size varies by the bots difficulty if there are difficulties

04:50

animation could be played when bot spawns / gets activated / triggered by the player with the ninja eyes at the same time then after that evil eyes

04:52

that would make the player know the bot has locked his target at him

however I think bots should have a clear color scheme (metalic grey) with only the antenna glow red and eventually the chip green / brown, they should be instantly recognisable.

[quakenet] <Landil> Zatline ... I would test antennas only first. The more simple the solution the better

agree but isn't a unifuied color sheme (white / grey) more simple than all sorts of colors? curious

[quakenet] <Landil> zatline uhmmm ... antennas with a choosable color for the circles then? (besides, I prefer the two antennas version)

08:54

[quakenet] <Landil> imo we are supposed to give the antennas a try and see. If it is not enuf then we can add a color scheme afterwards.

08:56

[quakenet] <Landil> Adding sth. afterwards is easier than taking away sth. some people might like

"that would make the player know the bot has locked his target at him" don't think that is possible @Zatline

08:58

You can't change skin info ingame anymore

[quakenet] <rand> you can with silent message info iirc

09:06

[quakenet] <rand> or I misunderstood https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/commit/4584c1693556a13115ba1bb1323b67d11ddb6be7

added the possibility to have silent enter/leave messages. closes ...

09:09

[quakenet] <rand> anyway, players don't change skin when focusing on another player, IAs shouldn't behave visualy differently

09:10

[quakenet] <rand> the two antenna sound like a nice and sufficient solution :)

[quakenet] <rand> (well I don't like the design on the picture, I'd prefer special eyes)

[quakenet] <Landil> what about the following approach for bots: instead of a black outline we could use a red one and only certain skins (circular shaped tee body) are allowed, to reduce the added red outline to one additional skin file huh*

11:17

[quakenet] <Landil> at least an additional idea

+1 with rand, that sounds way too complicated. it should be a simple added cosmetic

12:06

eyes or antenna

I think two antennas look silly, would go with a single antenna

I'd rather have nothing distracting/animated :|

well maybe .. animations could fresh up tw a bit however I would defenetly go with a robotic color sheme tho (edited)

like the skins @Zatline rly good

there should only be some additional skin parts if you want server owners to be able to introduce bots with custom skins

https://gyazo.com/f131558c4cd25e23a1e1a9f187636ade

Gyazo

why all the colors? :o

this would make bots vary among themself but in a way players could not replicate them and meanwhile they are very distinguishable, easy reconisable (edited)

[quakenet] <Dune> well, if we want distinguishable players we can already give them custom skin colors, right?

no they would look like a human controled tee then

[quakenet] <Dune> not with the antenna?

it's too close imo it doesn't seem distinguishable enough

[quakenet] <Dune> I don't think it's supposed to be a huge thing

19:47

[quakenet] <Dune> just a little indicator, like different eyes or antenna

I like that bots are almost whith rn, now give them a bit more love by having an antenna, tattoos and eye color synced with color of antenna and u have a very nice extremly distinguishable look

[quakenet] <Dune> I question whether we want an "extremly distinguishable look"

I'd love them to look like robots tho not like player controled tees

feedback pls :D https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/329471/49247599-f6fcfc00-f417-11e8-8abc-6c21851d9162.png

what if I want an antenna on my custom skin?

19:52

not bad @David - SFM

looks nice @David - SFM

well then u chose the antenna but u then still wouldn't look like a real bot

If I make my skin all white Iwould

well then it would be deliberate to have a botlike-antenna downloaded

19:53

(and skin)

which is the overall goal, players should not be able to replicate the exact look of a real bot

it shouldn't be treated as a reliable way to identify bots imo

alright great then

19:53

we only need an antenna now

skin and add a small icon in the scoreboard... or set a flag?

19:54

countryflag i main

19:54

*mean

there is already a flag @David - SFM

ok

If I make my skin all white Iwould

19:55

no u wouldn't bot still has colored eyes tho ^^

19:55

u wouldn't be able to replecate that so easy

can we make something really simple tho?

19:57

an antenna image

KISS :)

skin all white

19:57

boom done.

I think even the antenna is enough. doesn't have to be standing out

[quakenet] <Landil> Fisico ... far tooo detailed. Check your design on a low resolution pls.

the color can be tuned server side

19:58

@David - SFM ^

[quakenet] <Landil> and please use the same outline thickness

@Stiltzkindil yea thats true...

[quakenet] <Landil> [20:58] Landil: Fisico ... far tooo detailed. Check your design on a low resolution pls.

20:13

[quakenet] <Landil> I mean, if you cannot see the details on a low resolution you can drop them

yes i saw that already

20:18

will try some stuff

[quakenet] <Dune> rand: do you think it would be good to resize the block/addfriend checkboxes in the Players tab when there are many players like that?

20:42

[quakenet] <rand> it does use the max size am I wrong ?

20:42

[quakenet] <Teeworlds> [teeworlds] LordSk opened pull request #1743: Fixed editor world mouse delta (used when moving quad points) (master...fix/editor_mouse_delta) https://git.io/fpwlL

Fixed editor world mouse delta (used when moving quad points) by L...

20:43

[quakenet] <Dune> rand: so it adjusts to the height of the line?

[quakenet] <rand> I did not change the size of the checkbox, it is the same as the original

21:05

[quakenet] <Dune> I think they should be changed to fit the text font size changes, shouldn't they?

[quakenet] <rand> i didn't change the fontsize