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@Sonix you onto https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds-maps/issues/17?

ctf8 tee stands not on the ground · Issue #17 · teeworlds/teewor...

On ctf8 there're some places where the tee doesn't stand on the ground. These tiles should probably not be used for the floor? Or we would need some grass tiles to cover it.

15:06

@fokkonaut please clear up what you meant with " skins are wrong rendered" and "old maps are broken" at https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1534

bugs and weird things · Issue #1534 · teeworlds/teeworlds

if you have f1 opened and use arrow keys to get previous written message typed to f1 it will also use the arrow keys in the normal menues if possible //fixed i guess - flag isnt fixed on other play...

15:07

@Zatline the new ninja countdown thing works right away?

old maps use old tilesets wich are not external so the client doent download them and uses the technically wrong tileset. skins are wrong rendered or the feet in the .png are wrong placed, because they are too far left

new servers should use new maps, of course

15:09

if you download 0.7 servers, you should download the maps that come with it?

15:09

if you copy paste 0.6 maps, it won't work

15:09

Huh, I didn't notice the feet are too far left in the skins

15:09

maybe @android272 did

@Dune i said old maps are broken lol, i dont only talk about trash vanilla maps, i talk about ddrace maps aswell

?? there isn't even 0.7 ddrace

i made it

15:11

lol

and it's broken in your mod? your problem

...

maps ought to be updated, it's not a bug

u

15:11

for me

15:11

i think

also, don't throw insults on github please

you should make another tilesets named grass_doodads_0.7 or shit

15:12

but dont use the old one

maybe, yeah

since its in several maps, also custom vanilla maps and some people might dont wanna replace every single image in their maps they made

but it's already done, so not much to fix

15:13

old maps can be fixed simply by making the tileset external, right?

15:13

just select the 0.6 tileset and make clients download it

i know

15:14

but imagine having 100 maps or even more

15:14

and every map uses like 10 vanilla imgaes

15:14

you want to make the mall external? thats pretty much

maybe this can be scripted, from the client editor or something ^^

nop

15:15

with custom client, yes

yeah

but oy is against modding

sure it's annoying, but we don't get major releases so often, do we

15:16

Oy didn't say that particularly

hahaha

Teeworlds goes its direction

oy is stupid

k

nothing else i can say about that

vote for kick fokkonaut! we dont need people here who insult people. criticism and feedback is ok and good. Insulting not!

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@David - SFM Personal opinion

15:55

he ruined teeworlds

15:55

removed features we all wanted

15:55

broke mod compability

15:55

etc.

15:56

sure, you can still make mods, but not that good and not with all stuff you could in 0.6. youre just not free anymore, and since he Just made that because HE is against modding, i can say that he is stupid IMo

15:57

hes not even listening to what the community wants, just doing whatever he wants

guy... stop crying the only removed feature is broadcasting breaking compatibility is usual for major versions. it's sometimes needed to get rid of old (and insecure) stuff except for the broadcast thing modding should be mostly the same. you may have to implement some features in a different way but i don't know about anything that you can realize in 0.6 but not in 0.7 considering the map thing... write a script to fix old maps. make it embed the old tilesets or even better: map the old indices to the new ones

once someone comes out with an 0.7 client that has antiping i think 0.7 will be just as good as 0.6 ..

broadcasting is necessary for infc lol

16:12

we're doomed

@redix Especially if the extended spectators PR is merged, then there would be no need for hacks to add more clients

16:23

For broadcasting you can maybe use "*** Broadcast: ..." server messages, and optionally have it changed to an old-fashioned broadcast in client mods. Just a suggestion

well... would be cool but modifying NET_MAX_CLIENTS in 0.7.1 would break compatibility with 0.7.0 so either release 0.8 or forget about 0.7.0

right :/

well using the chat for all the broadcast stuff could be rather annoying but yeah... custom clients can readd the broadcast

yeah there is a frequency problem, surely

but one thing: when anyone here decides to readd the broadcast to the protocol in a custom client... don't just add simple netmessages rather port the protocol extension from ddnet so we have an extensible system for protocol additions that does not mess with other custom clients

it doesn't even have to be a protocol thing though, it can be pretty-printed server messages, right

well... how to differentiate between server chat-messages and broadcast then?

either consider all server chat messages as Broadcast, or prefix it with "Broadcast:"

consider a race timer... one broadcast per second. no fun for the clients not supporting the broadcast

Right, timers are troublesome

best solution: merging the 64 slot PR, readd broadcasting and everybody would be happy

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of course, yes

@fokkonaut I don’t know why the ddrace community is such a toxic place…. Why ddrace just don’t simply fork the game and do their own stuff and move on… If teeworlds 0.7 is that bad for your mod fork the game and do your own stuff. It’s very unfair and stupid to offend the game dev from a game which enabled mods like ddrace in the first place. Without Teeworlds your mod would have never happened. There are already forks like Ninslash out there. That’s totally ok, everybody is cool with it and they don’t have to offend Teeworlds developers or the Teeworlds community. If the DDrace Com and Devs can’t identify with the direction in which Teeworlds is heading, it’s their turn to take a different road. So please do us a favor and stop with your stupid toxic engages! Thanks.

sadly you dont get it, its not about ddrace only

16:52

its about making 0.7 worse than 0.6 was

cause broadcast was removed?

and we both know, that Oy made this choice on purpose

16:53

xD broadcast

16:53

are you really that dumb not being able to understand what i mean? i wont talk to such a guy anymore. sorry for you

have you talked to him?

16:56

Nothing is wrong with teeworlds 0.7. Mods always broke with major versions. Teeworlds never had any kind of modding support. Everybody that makes a mod knows, with the next major version I have to redo and rethink things... as I said, if this is a problem for ddrace they have to fork the game and are than able to do what they want.

I think it's been so long since the last major version, that it is the first one for most young players around

yea thats true

When did 0.6 come out again?

16:57

7 years ago, huh

that was a long time ago

those who are 18 today were 11 back then :D

yep

so for a lot of players, it is the first time the game gets compatibility-broken for them

yea thats ture.. but is this a reason to offend anybody?

no, no, of course :)

17:00

Does anyone remember all the outcry about ctf4 being changed? :D

never played ctf4 that much...

it was the default map for instagib players, when 0.6.0 came out, it was replaced, instagib players were furious :P

my time was ctf1 and ctf2

and 1on1 on dm1

haha :D

17:02

didn't do vanilla back in the days

teeworlds 0.3.2 i think was when i started playing

woa, that's really early :)

i remember teeworlds 0.4 was the big hype

no laser back then

I came with that hype yeah

adding the laser yea

oooh right they were talking about laser being new

0.4 was lasertime

i still don't like it

freaking matricks ruined teeworlds :D

yea i like the watergun more

17:04

watergun with knockback would be cool

how does water even look hurtful though

to slow down opponents and speed up your mates

this whole 0.6 to 0.7 compatibility break reminds me a lot on the bitcoin protocol update indrodusing segwit where every major company was against it becouse it broke their batching algos they had to put in work and rework it what they didn't want so they were toxic and starting a counter campaign against the devs trouging shit on them this went on over years and had it's peak last year .. eventually the devs and community won, segwit activated all major companies had to update their algos what they then did and now the network is working more effeciantly than ever befor lol breaking compatibility can be a good thing

yep

eeh there was a lot more to that @Zatline

17:10

that was a big ugly hack that did little to the network efficiency imo :\ I think that was more political than anything.

17:10

and it's quite the opposite, that thing happened because they did NOT want to break compatibility (hard fork)

yes there was a lot of political shit going on true so much in fact that it was hard to believe anything

seems like you believe something quite firmly ^^

17:14

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17:14

@David - SFM it's hard to make it look good

17:14

I tried putting a bit more towards the center

yea thats to much

too much? so gotta be more upwards?

yep

but fact was that big companies like Coinbase were spaming the network due of their bad batching and with Segwit they had to rework it and now the network is working very nicely no spam at all

17:15

https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,all

Johoe's Bitcoin Mempool Size Statistics

Johoe's Bitcoin Mempool Size Statistics

By the way, pausing does not seem to work ingame? Or am I doing it wrong?

where warmup starts

@Zatline :/ not really how it happened though. the queue was cleared a week before that was implemented

is this stuff hard to code? or something i can also try?

well just gotta change one value lol

so u followed that more detailed than me I supose (edited)

okay... hacking on css stuff i am able to.. i will try

there was insanely aggressive propaganda by both sides, better to stay out of that stuff and believe any side so easily ^^ @Zatline

17:18

@David - SFM ah well I made a variable to change that didn't exist in the original PR, so you'd need my trunk

yea i clone that anyways

made some more commits

17:18

hold on

17:21

@David - SFM clone that https://github.com/Dune-jr/teeworlds/tree/feature-scoreboard-exp

Dune-jr/teeworlds

A retro multiplayer shooter. Contribute to Dune-jr/teeworlds development by creating an account on GitHub.

17:22

then you can change the Y coordinate of the scoreboard with cl_scoreboard_y

well I know what side I stand on I go with the devs regatless they are the only people I trust even if that is against the trustlessness nature of btc protocol they the only who are compitent enough to prevent a disaster making the network worthless .. they sort out incompitent devs like Jeff Garzik and those other that didn't do good for years (edited)

there are devs on both sides @Zatline

17:22

just like in Teeworlds, modders are devs :)

em... feature-scoreboard-exp and feature-scoreboard2 is the same?

is it? oops!

17:23

hold on

done! :)

ok cool

17:24

RenderTools()->DrawRoundRect(&Rect, vec4(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 0.25f), 5.0f); what are the parameters for vec4?

colors

17:24

but you don't need to modify the code

17:24

just change cl_scoreboard_y :)

17:25

0.25f is the alpha

0.5 default yet?

tell me what value you think is best for a 1-man scoreboard or more

nah want to understand a bit of it and maybe move modify stuff

@Zatline no that wasn't changed yet

17:25

I'd like to put 0.5 everywhere yeah

just do it

@David - SFM the idea is that you tell me what you think looks good

17:25

you can mess around the code after if you want

yep i will

is a transparancy slider really so hard to code after all? (edited)

no

17:26

but it's not necessarily a good idea

well 0.6 had one even with color slider I thought it may be nice to have some 0.6 functinalities back with 0.7 that was the whole idea more or less

like @LordSk 🦋 said, we shouldn't bloat TW with options and expect players to change their Teeworlds to make it look good

17:27

oh it had one @Zatline ?

17:27

didn't know

I think so am I wrong?

I don't remember that, but my memory is faulty

background color you could set

well when I try to start 0.6.5 I get .dll error so I can't check

gotta have SDL2.dll in your folder

https://gyazo.com/79c9ff3d043de4b1b61466546d04a8fa

huh...

visual c++ redistributable

I do have SDL.dll in the folder

17:31

I also have visual c++ redistributable installed

those 0.6.5 binaries weren't well packaged

17:31

@Zatline has to be sdl2, not sdl

17:31

oh wait, it's 0.6.5

17:31

nvm

msvcr100 is a dll from cpp redist

https://gyazo.com/6ca5326e7c142ef6b6da835dfd086d77

17:32

it all came with Unity instalation tho

all x64

17:32

try 2012 x86

why x86 that's 32 bit right?

17:35

I have 64 bit pc

yep

17:35

if you start a 32bit exe you need 32 bit ddls

17:35

*dlls

17:35

sometimes

pukes in GNU

alright

just get the 64 bit 0.6.5 build

17:36

https://downloads.teeworlds.com/teeworlds-0.6.5-win64.zip

lol nice that one works

17:37

alread ingame

17:38

yap there it is trancparacy slider with alpha, light, saturation, hue

@Dune MACRO_CONFIG_INT(ClScoreboardY, cl_scoreboard_y, 1000, 1000, 2000, CFGFLAG_CLIENT|CFGFLAG_SAVE, "EXP: Scoreboard Y pos") is not doing anything

17:44

oO its a settings.cfg thing

17:44

ok

but from what I see the sliders are not actually changing the UI but the backround I think

@Dune i would say value 100 and also bring the yellow warump text to this height and the server broadcast warup too

It is doing something? ^^

at first i changed it in the src

lol

Mess up with the code later ^^

17:50

There is yellow warmup text?

17:51

I don't think adapting the broadcasts to the scoreboard is the way to go

sure it is

17:51

its to low anyway

17:52

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Broadcasts are fine without the scoreboard active though... idk

17:52

Ah this

can find the code where the spacing between scoreboard and scorelimit are set

17:59

@Dune github issue with shotgun shell

17:59

you are coding it?, i mean the part to split the hud from the projectile

18:00

@Zatline how does rocket launch ammo look like compared to the projectile?

I'd also like to had the forend animated tho

*launcher

rocket launcher don't know

18:00

about the same

pistol is different

and pistol don't really need a extra projectile either

and shotgun... laser is already different

I can but gotta discuss before code

it's mostly the shotgun that bugs me

pistol projectile is only the tip of the bullet

using pallets as ammo dosn't make much sense

18:02

"pistol projectile is only the tip of the bullet" u right but it's so small barly noticable

maybe make the bistol bullet brass color and the tip from it silver and the projectile shorter

yeah that sounds nice

18:05

I also don't like the color difference from the laser beam to the actual laser weapon tho the weapon is blue while the beam is more purple

18:07

also laser beams are usually almost white inside while only the outside gives the color away

18:07

depending on the lasers power more power more white inside I guess

18:10

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18:12

quick example for the bullet

18:13

i am sure you make something cool out of it

18:13

yea laser is white in the middle

@Dune I guess i'll just replace those tiles with regular stones for now

sounds good @Sonix

would you like messing around the menu_heavens.map maybe @Sonix ? :)

I'll try in the next days, I was pretty busy these past days couldnt make much progress (edited)

@Dune here?

yes

21:51

well, bit late @Sonix

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