But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
Krumplee
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
Same goes with anything.
Someone is struggling to be a good person/friend you help them, if it works, GREAT if it doesn't... well, maybe we get another chance, maybe they're too far gone.
Someone is struggling mentally, life being rough, you help, might work, might not, youngster wants coaching advice in sport, you help, maybe he doesn't understand, maybe he has hard time learning, it is what it is
Same goes with anything.
Someone is struggling to be a good person/friend you help them, if it works, GREAT if it doesn't... well, maybe we get another chance, maybe they're too far gone.
Someone is struggling mentally, life being rough, you help, might work, might not, youngster wants coaching advice in sport, you help, maybe he doesn't understand, maybe he has hard time learning, it is what it is
Hello, my kog account is banned, we have 2 computers at home, my brother plays on one of them, I have to share my login information with my brother, we use it jointly, my brother doesn't sit at the computer much anyway, we play together, if we are going to enter, I request that my ban be lifted, please, the reason my account is banned is that I share login information and only give it to my brother.
Hello, my kog account is banned, we have 2 computers at home, my brother plays on one of them, I have to share my login information with my brother, we use it jointly, my brother doesn't sit at the computer much anyway, we play together, if we are going to enter, I request that my ban be lifted, please, the reason my account is banned is that I share login information and only give it to my brother.
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at
@Bʟυɛ ♡btw what would be the case if jukki would allow you to leak everything about his ban? because then if you cant justify his ban it would make no sense
Kiґiτo
@Bʟυɛ ♡btw what would be the case if jukki would allow you to leak everything about his ban? because then if you cant justify his ban it would make no sense
@Bʟυɛ ♡ considering jukki, fair enough to not provide any concrete data to prove anything to not make yourself vulnerable. But you guys aren't even giving us an accusation of what you think he has done xd(edited)
Gotie
@Bʟυɛ ♡ considering jukki, fair enough to not provide any concrete data to prove anything to not make yourself vulnerable. But you guys aren't even giving us an accusation of what you think he has done xd (edited)
@Bʟυɛ ♡ considering jukki, fair enough to not provide any concrete data to prove anything to not make yourself vulnerable. But you guys aren't even giving us an accusation of what you think he has done xd (edited)
@Bʟυɛ ♡ considering jukki, fair enough to not provide any concrete data to prove anything to not make yourself vulnerable. But you guys aren't even giving us an accusation of what you think he has done xd (edited)
I mean kog isnt equal, just look at testing section... this is what i meant. zonsa had 7 maps, mixi has currently 5maps in testing (maybe more) (aipx blackwidow the end mixi4kami and this one) but its ok bcs they are testers. i dont want u to decline their maps, i just want the same treatment as them
It's a general rule as a safety measure. Less applicants, more consistent applicants etx.
Mixi
I mean kog isnt equal, just look at testing section... this is what i meant. zonsa had 7 maps, mixi has currently 5maps in testing (maybe more) (aipx blackwidow the end mixi4kami and this one) but its ok bcs they are testers. i dont want u to decline their maps, i just want the same treatment as them
@Bʟυɛ ♡ like if jukki comes to your house and plays on your pc where you have no cheats, and he recreates the banned patterns then you should get banned for having cheats on your computer blue
Bʟυɛ ♡
Well you don't, we might know. But system removes all "non-verified finishes" as default. That's the standard (that will be applied, not yet)
not talking about nealson, about all oldschool people I played with like 8 years ago
Kiґiτo
@Bʟυɛ ♡ like if jukki comes to your house and plays on your pc where you have no cheats, and he recreates the banned patterns then you should get banned for having cheats on your computer blue
btw, what if people finished a map together with JuKKi? Is just JuKKi his time gone or is finish gone for everyone?
Kiґiτo
@Bʟυɛ ♡ like if jukki comes to your house and plays on your pc where you have no cheats, and he recreates the banned patterns then you should get banned for having cheats on your computer blue
@Bʟυɛ ♡ like if jukki comes to your house and plays on your pc where you have no cheats, and he recreates the banned patterns then you should get banned for having cheats on your computer blue
ok i will make it simple for your goofy ass.
there is a way for jukki to prove his innocence.
he wipes his pc as he did.
you spectate his ass playing so he cant install things
he recreates the banned patterns
you know his patterns are not botted but he is just on another level that is flagged by bots
you unban him and let him play
ok i will make it simple for your goofy ass.
there is a way for jukki to prove his innocence.
he wipes his pc as he did.
you spectate his ass playing so he cant install things
he recreates the banned patterns
you know his patterns are not botted but he is just on another level that is flagged by bots
you unban him and let him play
like maybe we are wiping everyones times from leaderboards so they dont mean anything to competetive aspects but you can still look them up if you like
@Bʟυɛ ♡ what will you tell people who grinded one map for like 300 hours, that their effort cant be confirmed to be legit or what, that they should spend 300 hours more to get this finish again??"?
@Bʟυɛ ♡ what will you tell people who grinded one map for like 300 hours, that their effort cant be confirmed to be legit or what, that they should spend 300 hours more to get this finish again??"?
If jukki can flag your bots with a 100% clear pc then there is still no reason to rethink his ban? how do you want to know that he used a bot to flag your systems before? how can you 100% justify his ban?
If jukki can flag your bots with a 100% clear pc then there is still no reason to rethink his ban? how do you want to know that he used a bot to flag your systems before? how can you 100% justify his ban?
@Bʟυɛ ♡ This is thing that should be discussed with public, with community, make public voting or at least announce it so people can say what they think about it.
You might say, since you're not telling me how the system operates, you can't verify it. But claiming it is wrong needs some burden of proof that our system isn't working
01:41
Which doesn't exist
Bʟυɛ ♡
It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't know how the system works
You might say, since you're not telling me how the system operates, you can't verify it. But claiming it is wrong needs some burden of proof that our system isn't working
@Bʟυɛ ♡ This is thing that should be discussed with public, with community, make public voting or at least announce it so people can say what they think about it.
We've heard "Get rid of botted times" We created a system that works and can auto-update, yeah there are some drawbacks, but it's expected with such a system. It won't get hard deleted, just will be like "wild" rank in hearthstone
If you play for 1h it's not going to be able to take that singular gameplay and give out some information, based on your previous gaming profile(edited)
True there is simply no way a system made by avo can be faulty
Bʟυɛ ♡
We've heard "Get rid of botted times" We created a system that works and can auto-update, yeah there are some drawbacks, but it's expected with such a system. It won't get hard deleted, just will be like "wild" rank in hearthstone
Im treating it as something that sucks and its totally unprofessional from kog administration to not announce it earlier to public, you are killing kog
If you play for 1h it's not going to be able to take that singular gameplay and give out some information, based on your previous gaming profile (edited)
Okay. let's say we accused Jukki of botting in 2021. Now it is 2023, soon 2024. He cleans his PC now and plays perfectly as normal. Cleaning his PC now doesn't affect the past. Even if he cheated yesterday, cleans pc and plays now and performs as little as 2% worse. It doesn't change anything
Deploid [Blue of Boss]
To put him through the same sytem again would produce the same result, no?
Okay. let's say we accused Jukki of botting in 2021. Now it is 2023, soon 2024. He cleans his PC now and plays perfectly as normal. Cleaning his PC now doesn't affect the past. Even if he cheated yesterday, cleans pc and plays now and performs as little as 2% worse. It doesn't change anything
You're raising the same hypothetical over and over and I've told you 15 times at this point. The question makes no sense based on how the system works and how we look at the data.
But in theory, IF the system worked like that, yes, that would be a logical hypothetical
Exless
krumplee gets banned 5 times a day but avo deletes cause of secret kog payments
You're raising the same hypothetical over and over and I've told you 15 times at this point. The question makes no sense based on how the system works and how we look at the data.
But in theory, IF the system worked like that, yes, that would be a logical hypothetical
There's little to no human evaluation in these reviews. We just make sure whether or not what has been brought to us is worthy or not for a account block
So if JuKKi asks you to change my hypothesis to fit your system, without telling anyone outside what you are doing, so he can proof his innocence, you would say "no hope you rope" or what?
So if JuKKi asks you to change my hypothesis to fit your system, without telling anyone outside what you are doing, so he can proof his innocence, you would say "no hope you rope" or what?
There's little to no human evaluation in these reviews. We just make sure whether or not what has been brought to us is worthy or not for a account block
If Jukki finds a reasonable way that proves his innocence, which we as admins feel comfortable or willing to do (because I sure as hell ain't letting Jukki into my home) we'd allow him to try it. There's no harm in trying
So if JuKKi asks you to change my hypothesis to fit your system, without telling anyone outside what you are doing, so he can proof his innocence, you would say "no hope you rope" or what?
I’m confused about the discussion, is it about Jukki banned for cheating or about jukki cheating a few times and should (in your opinion) not get banned ?
If Jukki finds a reasonable way that proves his innocence, which we as admins feel comfortable or willing to do (because I sure as hell ain't letting Jukki into my home) we'd allow him to try it. There's no harm in trying
I’m confused about the discussion, is it about Jukki banned for cheating or about jukki cheating a few times and should (in your opinion) not get banned ?
It’s the same as people saying chises wasn’t using bots
ahl
I’m confused about the discussion, is it about Jukki banned for cheating or about jukki cheating a few times and should (in your opinion) not get banned ?
If Jukki finds a reasonable way that proves his innocence, which we as admins feel comfortable or willing to do (because I sure as hell ain't letting Jukki into my home) we'd allow him to try it. There's no harm in trying
What if jukki were to do a top down cam of his keyboard and mouse on a livestream. If he plays the same way with the same skill. Is it possible to overlay his key presses with his gameplay. this is what they do in osu, although it is a different game. I think it is applicable to teeworlds.
Bʟυɛ ♡
If Jukki finds a reasonable way that proves his innocence, which we as admins feel comfortable or willing to do (because I sure as hell ain't letting Jukki into my home) we'd allow him to try it. There's no harm in trying
What if jukki were to do a top down cam of his keyboard and mouse on a livestream. If he plays the same way with the same skill. Is it possible to overlay his key presses with his gameplay. this is what they do in osu, although it is a different game. I think it is applicable to teeworlds.
What if jukki were to do a top down cam of his keyboard and mouse on a livestream. If he plays the same way with the same skill. Is it possible to overlay his key presses with his gameplay. this is what they do in osu, although it is a different game. I think it is applicable to teeworlds.
@Bʟυɛ ♡ you tell people i botted in the past but when i ask you for your proof you are just being silent and ask me if qshar didnt post something? you trolling i think
I will share results of discussion after avo answers...
JuKKi
@Bʟυɛ ♡ you tell people i botted in the past but when i ask you for your proof you are just being silent and ask me if qshar didnt post something? you trolling i think
@Bʟυɛ ♡ you tell people i botted in the past but when i ask you for your proof you are just being silent and ask me if qshar didnt post something? you trolling i think
@Bʟυɛ ♡ you tell people i botted in the past but when i ask you for your proof you are just being silent and ask me if qshar didnt post something? you trolling i think
@Bʟυɛ ♡ people will hear my voice and they will reach the truth! You wont fool anyone! They are the ones who make kog not you! People must know whats happening behind the scenes and Im gonna guide them trough this dark times! We will never give up.
@Bʟυɛ ♡ people will hear my voice and they will reach the truth! You wont fool anyone! They are the ones who make kog not you! People must know whats happening behind the scenes and Im gonna guide them trough this dark times! We will never give up.
blue how about you take jukki back into manuel verification, track his client to proof hes legit and let your system track his data again. just like a complete new file so you can see that he will do the same things again. that should fit your system as you described it and so you should be able to proof his innocence
blue how about you take jukki back into manuel verification, track his client to proof hes legit and let your system track his data again. just like a complete new file so you can see that he will do the same things again. that should fit your system as you described it and so you should be able to proof his innocence
Kiґiτo
blue how about you take jukki back into manuel verification, track his client to proof hes legit and let your system track his data again. just like a complete new file so you can see that he will do the same things again. that should fit your system as you described it and so you should be able to proof his innocence
blue how about you take jukki back into manuel verification, track his client to proof hes legit and let your system track his data again. just like a complete new file so you can see that he will do the same things again. that should fit your system as you described it and so you should be able to proof his innocence
collect new data for under half a year (should be enough since other people need 1-2 runs, equal treatment), track his game to see if he has a clear pc, and let him play until you have the data since you can just ban him again and wipe him if he cant recreate the data with a clear pc
just saying you can just collect 2-3 months of data and check
02:23
and you can check how i finished all maps
Kiґiτo
collect new data for under half a year (should be enough since other people need 1-2 runs, equal treatment), track his game to see if he has a clear pc, and let him play until you have the data since you can just ban him again and wipe him if he cant recreate the data with a clear pc
you asked for a way that the admins could agree on doing to prove my innocence why are you just not migrating me and collect data for 2-3 months. in that time i finish all maps on stream
what if jukki agrees to that? then nothing stands in between him and trying it out(edited)
JuKKi
you asked for a way that the admins could agree on doing to prove my innocence why are you just not migrating me and collect data for 2-3 months. in that time i finish all maps on stream
ask jukki if you can track his pc activities for teeworlds let him play 2-3 months to collect data and see if he proves your system wrong. if he doesnt ban his ass again cause noone will get hurt
What if someone cheated, then stopped and played instead at 95% capacity. How would one prove with new gameplay that old game play was valid when the gamestyle is still the same?
And we can co-operate, but we also can't tell you how the system works and he's still not allowed on [A] servers. IF you find a way outside of that, go for it. But that's up to him (and you too apparently) not us
And we can co-operate, but we also can't tell you how the system works and he's still not allowed on [A] servers. IF you find a way outside of that, go for it. But that's up to him (and you too apparently) not us
Okay imagine this:
Cop sees man stealing on camera
Cop arrests man, he proven guilty
man in jail
man says I'm innocent
cop say you stay jail until proven innocent
Okay imagine this:
Cop sees man stealing on camera
Cop arrests man, he proven guilty
man in jail
man says I'm innocent
cop say you stay jail until proven innocent
ask jukki if you can track his pc activities for teeworlds let him play 2-3 months to collect data and see if he proves your system wrong. if he doesnt ban his ass again cause noone will get hurt
build system detect not human
human do motion
human ask "this detect"
system no detect
because human made non-human "like" software
but system dont kno how bot look
system know bot data
system dont care
system dont notice
ask jukki if you can track his pc activities for teeworlds let him play 2-3 months to collect data and see if he proves your system wrong. if he doesnt ban his ass again cause noone will get hurt
ok 1 sec
we dont know if jukki has a clear pc
jukki gets flagged sometimes
jukki gets banned for being flagged cause system says its cheated
jukki wipes pc and lets you track him
you know he has a clear pc
you let him play so he can recreate data
if he cheated in 2023 compare his new data to 2023
if he gets flagged again for cheating with a clear pc your system sucks and you need to repair it
jukki is good player and gets unbanned
i dont know for sht if jukki cheats and i dont care if he does. i wont care if he cheated. i just want to understand how you can be so proud of your good old system if everything can be wrong at some point and you dont know if jukki just flags the system because hes better
ok 1 sec
we dont know if jukki has a clear pc
jukki gets flagged sometimes
jukki gets banned for being flagged cause system says its cheated
jukki wipes pc and lets you track him
you know he has a clear pc
you let him play so he can recreate data
if he cheated in 2023 compare his new data to 2023
if he gets flagged again for cheating with a clear pc your system sucks and you need to repair it
jukki is good player and gets unbanned
no one would sue, but if it does break laws (im not 100% sure but def sounds like something that would) there's bigger problems like governments taking actions rather than individuals sueing
But back to my point.
Imagine someone wanting to create a bot/cheat for this game. But they keep getting caught. Now we release all the data we've gathered to prove a ban.
(same system that banned all other cheaters btw but no one complained then)
The developer now knows EXACTLT what we can see and look at