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General discussions or talks about KoG servers and KoG community can be made here. English only.

Between 2023-12-10 00:00:00Z and 2023-12-11 00:00:00Z

Oenis

The difference is when you used the license of Teeworlds or DDnet you contributed to the world and you could use anyones content to help you and they could use yours

Sure, legally we could go for CC0

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There are a lot of licenses out there

Mhm

a lot

Yeah, a lot of licenses

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that do not give YOU ownership of EVERYTHING

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pick one.

00:00

A-s-s

noo

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Doesnt suit for me

What else is there to say man

I am in a behind underground organisation

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you said first

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it wouldnt fit

00:01

Can we agree on that?

Youre just you, who cares about money and think having money makes everything you do right

00:01

NO i never said that, I always said it was only about you

Money rules the world buddy

00:01

It is how it is

00:01

I cant change it either

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I would have

00:01

trust

Other people , including the people whose work youre stealing, had an other vision

I am not stealing any work

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I do not CLAIM that I own the source code

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The license from 0.6 teeworlds and ddnet allowed us to go closed source

00:02

we do have the respective license files in the source code

Its nice to be given something for free, right Avo?

00:02

A game, a netcode, a mapeditor

Oenis

Its nice to be given something for free, right Avo?

I do, hosting servers

00:02

Imagine you have to pay to play

And then create your own shell, using other peoples content and then slowly paste a license over it that gives you ownership to all that stuff derived from it

imagine ads on teeworlds

Okay money boy

Oenis

And then create your own shell, using other peoples content and then slowly paste a license over it that gives you ownership to all that stuff derived from it

"slowly" xD

00:03

Its enforced

00:03

in our terms of service

00:03

to avoid conflicts with licenses

@Yoin I would shoot myself feelssurprisedman

feelssurprisedman

When you transmit or upload User Content, you agree to abide by the following rules: All content will be accurate, complete, and free from fraud and deception; All content will be free of any Intellectual Property Rights infringement; All content will be free from obscenity, threats, defamation, invasion of privacy, and other injuries to third parties; All content will be in compliance with these Terms of Service; All content will not be in violation of any law, contractual restrictions, or other parties' rights; All content will be free of viruses, adware, spyware, worms, or other malicious code; and All content will be free of spam, commercial solicitation, chain letters, and mass mailings.

Oh yeah, I mean you totally contacted every map maker asking explicitly to take ownership over all their maps before you put in the license right?

If there is something wrong, send me an email

You didnt just put the license on already established servers

00:04

managed by KoG before the license went into effect

Because we have to

00:04

If chillerdragon dont want his maps on KoG, no problem

Haha "I just had to steal this content for a while, then I made you sign it over officially"

He still owns

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I dont steal content

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I dont even get money out of it

00:05

Dude

You used their content, because you could never form the basis for your "services" with out it

00:05

I dont even get it man. LEts skip all of this

00:05

WHY do you want to own it?

00:05

Why not an open license?

00:05

Why the need to control?

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We're going in circles on the previous subject anyway

Please read the terms of service

00:06

its hard to discuss with you

00:06

its fun, but hard

00:06

because if you dont know, you dont know

So that it will be safe? and polishd?

00:06

And a real cookie cutter thing ?

00:06

Which it wasnt before?

No, I am in the underground organisation

Was Teeworlds unsafe?

with my hoodie

Dodging are we

Oenis

Was Teeworlds unsafe?

yes

Teeworlds is unsafe

00:07

yes

It was the most lovable little community ever

Mappers can put whatever license they want to on their maps

Nothing was unsafe about it

Oh boy

00:07

Wait

00:07

dont send it

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I am the one who made it unsafe

No

Because I put proper license on it

God no

Because KoG owns maps legally

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And grant others to host our maps

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without getting sued

You put a license on it and youre using red herrings to deflect from your pathological need to control what you own

Ahhhhhhh

00:08

Thats why

cause you derive self value from what you spend money on

Okayyyy

Yeah

Yeah

00:08

Gotcha

00:08

Its true

So how was Teeworlds unsafe before?

I need to own what I pay for

so taht it needed your license

00:08

so unsafe#

Because I want to own my own food

00:09

Yeah, I will put public use on my toast now

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Have you ever heard of patricians?

xDDDDDD

00:09

Are you chillerdragon?

00:09

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

00:09

I swear to god

Do you know what patricians are?

00:09

Maybe I should talk to Chiller too... Seems like a good fellow

00:09

Always liked his maps

Yeah you should right now

So patricians, ill save you the googling.

Dont forget to use Arch Linux

oele

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00:10

Because otherwise he will punish you for not using arch linux

ARe wealthy people who sponsor others. Like artists, communities, events

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WIthout "Owning" them

Yeah definitly

Plenty of wealthy people who donate, like people donate to you right now.

Hosting teeworlds is something for Society

And help build up organizations, (instead of stealing organizations like you have)

Yeah, so theoretically we are like nestle

00:11

We are selling water

Nah, Nestle makes its own source code

00:11

You dont

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Youre worse

Ohhhh

00:12

even more worse

00:12

gawd

Granted, they tried to steal water, thats pretty bad

Tell me

00:12

Hit me with the facts

What facts? WHat's still not clear here?

You should be able to post now

Oh look im disgustingly pink.

Try to post the links you tried before

Do you trust me Avo? Do you really trust me?

Post it

is it pink

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Licensing, Modifications and Donations The License It complies to the OSI definition: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php It complies with Debian Free Software Guidelines: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-dfsg The license is the result of a week long discussion with input from a license expert at Fedora. The whole OSS thing have started to take more time then it's actually worth. No, it will not get changed because you complain. Modifications Modifications are not our responsibility. Modified servers, however, must not broadcast themselves under the name of one of the official gametypes, and abide by other common-sense Server Rules. Has to be done in 3rd person

Donations Thanks to your generosity, we have enough resources to keep the current infrastructure (website, masterservers) running for long, and have stopped accepting don

The Open Source Definition

Introduction Open source doesn’t just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria: 1. Free Redistribution The licens…

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~ations

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Derived Works The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

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Thats paragraph 3 of the license

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Your breaking paragraph 3 darling.

Where is the source?

But the discussing isnt about what youre breaking, its why youre breaking it rihgtn ow

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https://www.teeworlds.com/?page=docs&wiki=licensing_misc

Modifications Modifications are not our responsibility. Modified servers, however, must not broadcast themselves under the name of one of the official gametypes, and abide by other common-sense Server Rules. Has to be done in 3rd person

Read the license:

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The actual license its under

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http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-dfsg

That might be the teeworlds.com license

Which your 20k waste of air lawyer didnt do

00:15

http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-dfsg

not the source code license

00:15

I've sent you the source code license

Its the license for everything made and derived from teeworlds and its sauce

https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/master/license.txt

teeworlds/license.txt at master · teeworlds/teeworlds

A retro multiplayer shooter. Contribute to teeworlds/teeworlds development by creating an account on GitHub.

Oenis

Its the license for everything made and derived from teeworlds and its sauce

Wrong

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Thats a big mistake they made

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If they want proper licensing then be consequent and state it everywhere

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but having a license there and another one on teeworlds.com

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thats two different things

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sorry

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Sorry buddy

00:16

Thats how law works

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And such a great feature from git, you can even version control your license

SO youre gonna get your old buddies on a technicality?

so you can change license

And im not even claiming youre right here, Ill look int it for a moment

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Youre literally saying here, that the lads didn't quite know what they were doing, they tried to properly license it under debian licensing but failed and licensed the sauce under creative commons

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And now because you see that opening youre gonna use it

yes

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Please name it source code

00:18

not sauce

Youre a snake man

I prefer the term: smart

00:19

Tell the teeworlds authors to change to AGPL

Its too late for them now isnt it?

Nah its not

MAgnus, the guy isnt even active anymore as I mentioned

Teeworlds 0.8

00:19

Teeworlds 0.8 under AGPL

Anyway youve read CC BY-SA 3.0 DEED Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0?

00:19

It gives right to hold copyright of derived works?

I dont use CC

The sauce does, ol

00:20

wtf?

Nope, its for client side

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All content under 'data' and 'datasrc' except the font (which has its own license) is released under CC-BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/).

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This are pictures, the flags

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and all the graphical things

So the sourcecode is under nothing?

Copyright (C) 2007-2022 Magnus Auvinen This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages arising from the use of this software. Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose, including commercial applications, and to alter it and redistribute it freely, subject to the following restrictions: 1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be appreciated but is not required. 2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be misrepresented as being the original software. 3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.

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This is for the source code

yeah just that

Read the license correctly

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Thats the important step

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But this is 0.7

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Copyright (C) 2007-2016 Magnus Auvinen This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages arising from the use of this software. Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose, including commercial applications, and to alter it and redistribute it freely, subject to the following restrictions: 1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be appreciated but is not required. 2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be misrepresented as being the original software. 3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IMPORTANT NOTE! The source under src/engine/external are stripped libraries with their own licenses. Mostly BSD or zlib/libpng license but check the individual libraries. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With that being said, contact us if there is anything you want to do that the license does not permit.

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This is 0.6

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https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/0.6/license.txt

Id have to look into this. This is such a scummy move though ,its obvious what they intended, suposedly he even had this discussion with debian people advising him on what license to take

00:22

IT could be argued in court

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that its clear waht MAgnus intentions were

xDDD

00:22

Nothing can be argued

00:22

wrong license

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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ask lawyers next time

Well, the Website, puts the entire project under one license

No

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it does not

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License has to be shipped with the software repository

I know

or the software repo has to mention it

I m ju saying that his intentions were clear

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but that he messed up as a young programmer

00:23

trying to do the right thing

Sounds like a you problem

00:24

So what have we learned today? Law is complex

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Ask lawyers to get it right

So that's where the 20k went?

00:24

Not in writing up a standard ToS

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but actually researching in how you can steal the project

Nah, 20k in total for everything lawyer based

00:24

ToS were basic

I know

licensing is pretty easy too

THats why I thought you BSed about the 20k

naah

00:25

I have had questions

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and now they have been answered

I guess your lawyer did a decent job. Id still try to put up a fight if I was Magnus. But's telling that you managed to get into the community and took control of it, then you used maps that were under a creative commons/world wide free usage license to start your project

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and you made sure you didnt have problems with the original owner, at least not problems you couldnt deal with

00:26

Youre smart, Im glad I saw half of it, Im sad nobody saw half of what I saw

00:26

And I gotta say, youre not running it too badly, its just that youre clearly forcing changes that people may not want. But maybe you think its for the better

00:27

I dont know if you ever plan to profit from this, youve spent a lot already, like you say. Maybe you actually care and owning is the only way you can guarantee your money isnt wasted

00:27

But I wish you could trust people instead

From my perspective its easier

people suck

I get you now, you think that youre smarter than others, and in a way maybe you are. But , yeah, this is kinda dark. My conspiracy sht wasnt too far off. But hey, maybe its for the better then. BE a benevolent dictator

Oenis

I dont know if you ever plan to profit from this, youve spent a lot already, like you say. Maybe you actually care and owning is the only way you can guarantee your money isnt wasted

Well I hope so too. Wasting money is typical if you host teeworlds servers at some point, but atleast its fun for some people

wait they are still going

You have nt banned me yet so thats a + too you know, Ill give credit where credit is du.

ozurdılerım

wait they are still going

hello

ozurdılerım

wait they are still going

i need to sleep

hi

00:29

im fresh like a baby

im watching this over 1 hour and this is funny

my skin is pure

Oenis

You have nt banned me yet so thats a + too you know, Ill give credit where credit is du.

Terms of Service & Rulebook

00:29

If its not against, why should we take actions?

00:30

But we mostly have to ban people because they insult us

Cause most dictators love having their dcks sucked?

which is clearly against our rulebook

the y almost have dck in their epitome

00:30

Power corrupts yada yada

Well, thanks for the discussion. I see what type of person you are

00:31

Still thinking the world is running around you

What kind of person am I then after all of this?

00:31

Am I doing all this for myself you think?

Oenis

Am I doing all this for myself you think?

No, for the "open source" community

00:31

sauce*

Thank you for respecting my communities true (tm) pronouns

00:33

Im not really part of that though. I just feel that what you're doing is immoral and wrong.

00:34

I guess im more of the "the ends dont justify the means" type of guy

00:34

While youre definetly the "end justify the means" type of guy

00:35

Hey you know what

00:35

Im Danton and youre Robespierre! But without all the Red Terror at least

00:35

I just saw the film Danton 1983 so its fresh in my memory

better tell frauds from ddnet to fix this sh1t editor

or maybe IM danton and your the king! And nobody is Robespierre

Mixi

better tell frauds from ddnet to fix this sh1t editor

whats happened

they removed option to copy paste

feelscryman

1

00:36

idk when

its finally ended

00:38

now i can sleep

00:39

feelsscary

! filop

its finally ended

@! filop Can I sleep with you feelshelplessman

feelshelplessman

its would be weird but why not

00:42

feelssleepy

feelsgoodman

feelssleepy

Avolicious

when migrate bro

oele

7

3

00:42

you have nothing in your hands admit it!

Free yukki

00:43

Gn guys

JuKKi

when migrate bro

FREE JUKKI

00:44

gn

tf was this conversation

00:50

between avo and oenis

00:50

ive never seen avo talking to some1 more than 5min before

Mixi

they removed option to copy paste

XDDD???

Mixi

they removed option to copy paste

XDDD???

01:06

old client.

yes xd

01:12

Im lazy to do it on older client

Hay

01:28

I'm back

01:28

Still yappin' or over?

Ssor

ive never seen avo talking to some1 more than 5min before

It happens every 2 months or so when Ondis comes back to talk about the same few problems

:O

Blue

But the legal stuff was new, and very unsuspected

I did not see that curveball coming

01:29

Yes, hello @Krumplee I SEE YOU

Hey bro

️

01:30

How are you mister

Hi

pepewithteddy

Hi blue krumplee

I'm good

im ssor

Had a nice phone call

01:30

Missed out on drama here, but... can't win 'em all

01:30

Just hung up

Hey ssor my love

Ssor

im ssor

Hi Ssor

01:32

I'm Blue

Image attachment

01:32

Whqt yqll think

01:32

Its tragic

Cropped poorly

01:32

Oh

Bʟυɛ ♡

I'm Blue

bruh

You meant the fact

01:32

My bad

u just said u re good

Bʟυɛ ♡

I'm good

.

Ssor

u just said u re good

I'm blue dabodee!

🤦‍♂️

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daboda

Dabodae

Oppa gangnam style

Eeeeh sexi ladeh

Krumplee

Oppa gangnam style

wrong music, nt

Wop wop wop

01:33

Wop

01:33

Chy to holera

01:33

Fredy fasber

01:33

Hur hur hur

guys

I tried to find a amogus twerk gif but can't find. So sad

iz dat fradddy fazbeerr

Embedded image

george amogus gif is better

I guess it was on Snapchat gifs :/

01:34

Found it immediately here

01:34

Oops

‍♂️

@Bʟυɛ ♡

im looking for a blue twerking gif but cant find one

Krumplee

@Bʟυɛ ♡

Who sent the gif first for you?

Ssor

im looking for a blue twerking gif but cant find one

There's probably some floating around

01:35

I don't wanna toot my own horn too much here

01:36

But for a dude... I can throw it back pretty good

01:37

BUT

01:37

This guy is the GOAT

01:37

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe8GrbGg/

TikTok · Teehayyz

31.6K likes, 239 comments. “THIS IS THE PART WHEN I BREAK FREE”

01:38

How many times have I watched this? Yes.

u have one more subsriber now blue

That's not me

01:39

I can never live up to the standard that he sets (edited)

i know its you ...

He is the undisputed, unchallenged GOAT

blue

01:39

2^32

01:39

whats the result

01:39

please

01:40

is it more than 150 billion

01:40

s

That's incredibly large. Lemme google that cuz I ain't calculating it in my head

weak

01:40

u know weak hook and strong hook

01:40

ure the weak one

4294967296

aint no way

01:40

ure lying 200%

01:40

wait

U want it in binary too?

bruhhhh

01:41

ure right

2^31 would be the biggest positive number that fits in 32-bits when using the "two's complement" notation

So 2^32 would be, first one larger than this^

u know whats even larger

01:43

bro u just ruined my joke

I deleted its fine

Ssor

u know whats even larger

The never-ending pit of emptiness left in my soul when you're not here? (edited)

rizz

Wrong answer?

01:45

Dangit.... But it was a good guess

i mean

01:45

yes for sure

01:46

wait im dum

01:46

b

01:46

i want 16^32

01:46

not 2^32

01:47

ok nvm thats a bi one

01:47

g

Ye that's alot bigger (edited)

01:48

Yo whoever placed B and N next to eachother just wants the world to burn

01:48

Becasue why is "bigger" such a common word, but a super simple fat-finger momemt can create such a catastrophe (edited)

wait

02:13

are u racist blue

1

feelsstrangeman

1

Good night (edited)

1

05:06

Good morning

Peter(»Ƥϵtϵr)

1

yo hel ochat

Mixi

if its hawerer I can donate all my savings

Every time he has birthday you donate a dolar ok? peepogiggles

peepogiggles

@MUSSA_YT

Focus

yo hel ochat

2

28 points its ok?

07:42

Embedded image

Too early to open this server ig

Is this the official king of gores server

Horizon

Is this the official king of gores server

yesa

what is it

Image attachment

08:01

how fix that

Aomine?

what is it

Looks like UDP is being filtered

Aomine?

Looks like UDP is being filtered

Ur getting ddosed by external governmental alliances

feelsbirthdayman

Bʟυɛ ♡

Becasue why is "bigger" such a common word, but a super simple fat-finger momemt can create such a catastrophe (edited)

Yeah thats what happened to be i wanted to say bigger but got banned for that

08:58

Unfair

hi

Bʟυɛ ♡

Who sent the gif first for you?

I typed in search amogus twerk yellow

Krumplee

I typed in search amogus twerk yellow

Rock and roll

thanks

Image attachment

1

See you in court buddy

09:56

How to check server member list on new mobile discord

09:57

Ok i found out

09:57

Yall have a nice day

09:57

i love when i get teleported

2

3

1

Pomid0rka

i love when i get teleported

psix

u menya uzhe vtoroy den’ takoe

Focus

psix

ne govori shto ty etogo ne vidish

Pomid0rka

ne govori shto ty etogo ne vidish

me bydy

Hold hook noob

Krumplee

Hold hook noob

10:31

i am holding it

10:31

the game just refuses to register it

Pomid0rka

i love when i get teleported

cl_prediction_margin

what does that mean

add artificial ping to avoid micro lags

is that legal

nah

11:02

if mod see this, u get ban

FlushedBall

catDespair

3

hi

can someone give tldr of avo vs oenis discussion

ryuma

FlushedBall

tell me he’s wrong

Lekson

if mod see this, u get ban

please be serious about this (edited)

11:28

i don’t want myself banned (edited)

feelsamazingman

3

Pomid0rka

i love when i get teleported

do you have antiping turned on?

ye

No worries, its allowed to use prediction margin

Definitely not esk

do you have antiping turned on?

antiping work not like u mean

hi!

i wanted to see the start of the avolicious vs oeshit battle but im tired of scrolling

same

have a wonderful day

ほ Marin

i wanted to see the start of the avolicious vs oeshit battle but im tired of scrolling

It's not worth...

Bʟυɛ ♡

It's not worth...

Blu

ok

how to get acces to all servers ?

Kampflama

how to get acces to all servers ?

#registration

d1kbt

srlac

AWNAWWWW

peepodj

peepodj

@Ekzo bro i was joking i swear

17:27

sorry bro

crunv

Blu

Mr. Lonely - Akon

guys, how does season points work

Lose 5% every day

18:22

Gain Season-points everytime you finish a map you've already finished before

18:22

A "repeat-finish"

do they like, dissapear aftertime?

Bʟυɛ ♡

Lose 5% every day

^

a okay, ty

Np

so uhh

18:33

about that cl_predition_margin thing

18:33

what value should i set to reduce lags?

Pomid0rka

what value should i set to reduce lags?

just play around

18:39

see what you lik ebest

Pomid0rka

what value should i set to reduce lags?

Default is 10

18:47

I've heard ranges from 30-60

18:47

Haven't messed with it a lot myself. I'd say the same as esk. Try it out, change a little bit and repeat. Find what you like best, what suits you

Pomid0rka

these dudes on NLD #1 are funvoting everyone they see lol

ssREB and ulubas

ulubas?

Bʟυɛ ♡

I've heard ranges from 30-60

On tater client they said to try between 12-25 but i dont use it anymore because krumplee told me its bot client.

19:32

Tater client bot client.

6

upp

1

@Krumplee

AINTNOWAY

But i normally use 20 on ddnet client which is NOT bot client.

19:33

And it works perfectly fine for me mostly

19:33

But now hungarian servers back we rock no margin shi

19:33

Default margin gang

i keep margin at -20

T client is bot client

Krumplee

T client is bot client

t client is terrorist client

teerorist 2d gaming

Pomid0rka

what value should i set to reduce lags?

if ur ping jumping from 50 to 80, u need set 30

Wow thanks lekson

1

T-client is bot client.

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

gameskin?

Krumplee

T client is bot client

what’s T client

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

nice ip stealer

Pomid0rka

what’s T client

bot client

bob client

Wilson

21:02

Losiento

Hola

21:22

como me registro para jugar en servers de USA

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como me registro para jugar en servers de USA

#registration <- guide

Bʟυɛ ♡

#registration <- guide

and you were saying itd be difficult to moderate each world cup channel in their own language

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blue secretly understood everything spoken in each of the channels but kept cool

Who finna be my duo for torny

21:41

Any gamer girls

21:42

@Bʟυɛ ♡ ?

yeah blue good girl (edited)

Yh he valid girl

Im a girl

ReyDeuce

Im a girl

Hmu

algun mod qliao puede verificar mi cuenta

23:00

esa wea de registrarte

Are you think good use ddnet or t client ?

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