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Between 2023-05-16 00:00:00Z and 2023-05-17 00:00:00Z
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 05:51:38Z
i think ziinox better than mixi
05:51
cuz he took
05:51
q-kog rank1
05:51
from mıxı
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@ozurdılerım
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YOKEDİCİTOKMAK53 2023-05-16 08:00:18Z
@wats
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@YOKEDİCİTOKMAK53
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@Krumplee
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@Krumplee @wats @YOKEDİCİTOKMAK53 @Yoin
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Someone mute this guy
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wats
Someone mute this guy
ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 08:59:27Z
done.
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ 2023-05-16 09:47:22Z
@ozurdılerım
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ
@ozurdılerım
ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 09:47:57Z
toji
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ 2023-05-16 09:48:11Z
Don't talk to me botter
09:49
afsin
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 09:52:15Z
i am not botting
09:52
i am a
09:52
i think i am
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 09:52:30Z
improving at a good pace
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Strong mAn
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ 2023-05-16 10:20:54Z
who cares
10:20
bro ok
11:33
@crack
11:33
What is wrong with my IP?
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definitely needs to be in pms
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Does someone know how to force a ipv4 server instead of a ipv6?
14:38
Ports are forwarded
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Press f1
14:39
Type kill
14:39
Worked
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Try irl also
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Goodbye @nEProiect
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🇭🇺 1
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What?
14:39
He cant try to press f1?
14:39
Formula 1? (edited)
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Trying to make it funny? Nah 😄
14:40
Not my kind of stuff :3
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Have u tried asking ddnet discord?
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Not yet, thought people might know a solution over here
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Rilla
Not my kind of stuff :3
Snowflake af
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I always go there for these type of questions xd
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nEProiect
Snowflake af
I am too old for jokes like that :3
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Rilla
I am too old for jokes like that :3
U got your id today huh?
14:43
I see
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Actually I got my ID this year
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Just my new one xd
14:44
I don't mind you at all, I know some people like those dark humor jokes, but I just don't like them 😄 don't take myself serious 😄
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All good
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Rilla
I don't mind you at all, I know some people like those dark humor jokes, but I just don't like them 😄 don't take myself serious 😄
I would say a joke now
14:44
But i dont want another timeout
14:45
Just do it, I don't mind 😄
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Mods do mind tho
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Its not about u xd
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They are watching
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Its about snowflake mods
14:45
I would clap all of them
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Krumplee, I think a two weeks ban is fine
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I barely survived 3 days last time
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So either do a joke, or just /kill at finish (edited)
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Ye i got a week for saying hdf
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Rilla
So either do a joke, or just /kill at finish (edited)
but for kill at finish you can get perma ban
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"you can" but you won't
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Omw to be a german girl
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Mixi
but for kill at finish you can get perma ban
Experiences from past huh?
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Rilla
"you can" but you won't
It already happened 💀
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Krumplee
Omw to be a german girl
I identify as one
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Krumplee
Omw to be a german girl
I can help you with one of them
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Hell nah
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What is this pervert doing here?
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Thats sexual harassment actually
14:48
And you were actually right @Krumplee ddnet immediatly gave me an answer xd
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I mean, I got an answer here even faster
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Ye bcs they are nerds
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Ddnet discord community is way different than the ingame xddd
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Tell them kog > ddnet
14:51
And then ask
kek 1
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You have so many good tips! It is actually ridiclious
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Rilla
You have so many good tips! It is actually ridiclious
Ye iam one of a kind
14:56
Hard to find someone so useful as me
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Krumplee
They are watching
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ 2023-05-16 15:15:09Z
ok
15:15
🏳️‍🌈
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yellowtree304 2023-05-16 16:56:55Z
@everyone
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yellowtree304
@everyone
Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 16:58:18Z
Caught in 4k by @MEE6
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG]
Caught in 4k by @MEE6
yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:00:01Z
do i still use the ticket system
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 17:00:14Z
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ozurdılerım
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yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:00:46Z
THEY DONT KNOW ME SON
17:00
THEY DONT KNOW ME
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 17:01:00Z
this is player D
17:01
secretly joining kog
17:01
server
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yellowtree304
do i still use the ticket system
Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:01:24Z
Ofc yes
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yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:02:15Z
Hello everyone, We would like to apologize once again for our behaviour. i would like to say sorry to everyone who has been insulted, kicked, blocked or hurt by us. We know that we can’t change the past but we swear to all of You that it will not happen again and from now on we will control our emotions.
17:02
To prove that we really considered our behaviour and that we changed we would like to invite everyone to play together in one team with us a map of Your choice and we will do our best to make sure that everyone finish it. Date and time of this small event will be agreed with çraçk. To show that we are truly sorry and we regret the words that have been said/written we decided that we will donate the charity organisation choosen by German players. me would like to kindly ask çraçk and our moderators to give us LAST chance and change our yearly ban into yearly chat restriction. Also we swear that we will not vote kick anyone from any server again. We both love gores and we can’t live without it and we will do whatever it takes to be able to play again. King regards, esk
17:02
@everyone
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 17:02:36Z
we
17:02
i think esk has multiple personalities
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yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:03:12Z
THEY DONT KNOW ME SON
17:03
THEY DONT KNOW ME
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ozurdılerım
i think esk has multiple personalities
yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:03:17Z
pronouns*
17:03
my pronouns are i and we
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ozurdılerım
i think esk has multiple personalities
Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:04:25Z
At least multiple ip's kek
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG]
At least multiple ip's kek
yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:04:34Z
i used the ticket system but ur not there
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yellowtree304
i used the ticket system but ur not there
Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:05:01Z
Im retired. Not an admin nor mod anymore
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG]
Im retired. Not an admin nor mod anymore
yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:05:27Z
how do i contact you if you dont wanna be dmd
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:05:58Z
Here i guess^^
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG]
Here i guess^^
yellowtree304 2023-05-16 17:06:03Z
hi
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GG @yellowtree304, you just advanced to level 1 !
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 17:06:04Z
gummibaer is lying
17:06
he is secretly moderating
17:06
very secretly
17:06
and very active
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:06:31Z
Or rather in #offtopic if its not gores related
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 17:06:33Z
ok i banned him.
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Gummibaer12345 [GER/ENG] 2023-05-16 17:06:40Z
There he goes
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#freeesk
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yellowtree304
To prove that we really considered our behaviour and that we changed we would like to invite everyone to play together in one team with us a map of Your choice and we will do our best to make sure that everyone finish it. Date and time of this small event will be agreed with çraçk. To show that we are truly sorry and we regret the words that have been said/written we decided that we will donate the charity organisation choosen by German players. me would like to kindly ask çraçk and our moderators to give us LAST chance and change our yearly ban into yearly chat restriction. Also we swear that we will not vote kick anyone from any server again. We both love gores and we can’t live without it and we will do whatever it takes to be able to play again. King regards, esk
YOKEDİCİTOKMAK53 2023-05-16 17:49:03Z
comes familiar
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ToJiᴸⁿᴴ 2023-05-16 18:08:02Z
Ok
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ozurdılerım 2023-05-16 18:13:10Z
do not
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attempt to play
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map "zzzz
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i will attempt to play map zzzz
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Чикибри 2023-05-16 18:36:06Z
now i got blocked for nothing and got banned ❤️
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get real kog bot always sends those messages, now we all know feat is the kog bot in disguise, together with blue we have two undiscovered AIs in the kog team, who will be next? our dear and beloved crack? avo?
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Let's just say... Technology has come a long way, further than anyone of you can imagine. This new AI trend/hype going around? Barely even scratching the surface
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what is 'queued for an up'
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update
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Bʟυɛ ♡
Let's just say... Technology has come a long way, further than anyone of you can imagine. This new AI trend/hype going around? Barely even scratching the surface
nikola tesla moment
20:55
im pretty sure santa is real
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why i cannot start race with cendren in just communnity @Moderator ping ?
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Kamilia
why i cannot start race with cendren in just communnity @Moderator ping ?
the server is put on the update queue
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@Mixi Stop making so faily maps for Main 😦
22:39
Mixi4Denktsu, every single drop is like 5 tiles thick instead of 1-2 so you cant even boat it 😢
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were on 2 hours on this one now lol
22:48
how are maps rated main vs hard anyway?
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what what?
22:49
you dont get my quesiton? 😄
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1-3 stars based on difficulty rating, +1-2 depending on length
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yeah but what puts a map in hard vs main
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1 tilers mostly
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part difficulty
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hard maps are in hard
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Cause this map has a lot of difficult AFK king type hook placements and no places to boat
22:50
tthis map is hard
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skill issue
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Is this map hard or is it hard for you?
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hard for our team
22:51
its hard because of the reasons i said
22:51
that are non existant in main
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normally
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or nearly non existant
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I'm not sure what map your talking about to begin with, but there are PLENTY of weird hooks in main
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bro is newschool player
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Main has some of the absolute worst maps
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Yeah
22:51
Oldest and weirdest maps are in main
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best maps!
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(in general)
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i literally wrote the name of the map above tho
22:52
what do you want from us
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Reclassify it as hard
22:52
gtfo from main
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😄
22:52
and stop making such maps
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I don't see the name of the map anywhere
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youre talking about mixi4densktdu?
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Mixi4Denktsu, every single drop is like 5 tiles thick instead of 1-2 so you cant even boat it 😢
22:53
ye
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cant boat 😥
22:53
unfinishable now
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oh that map
22:53
that map is like definition of main
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like man, its like every single drop
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bro and what do you think boat is
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thats so not the definition of main
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normal mechanic for gores
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Long, rather uneventful, medium hard
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It's a little tight in the end but that is like classic main 4 star
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normal mechanic for every other map (wtf G*re icensored on KoG? )
22:54
hell no, beat a 5 star one earlier today at 1/4 of the toruble
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I cant find any gores map that uses boat as a mechanic
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@Ondis which
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There are other harder maps in main
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Cant remember
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For sure
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Its not about the hardness per se, like for a solo player this may be a borderline 5 star main
22:55
but for a team this is uber faily
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Worse for team too
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Some older main maps have weird ratings, mixi4denkstdu fits within current rating requirements
22:55
Maybe other older maps skew ur rating thoughts
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Honestly I could put this in 4 star instead of 5 star main
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@Ondis u beat a 4 star anagrama
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But it is very long
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I overall like the older maps more, with like big weird jumps and mechanics, like I i i i i i i or what ever its called
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only 6 min solo
22:56
not that long
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Try that german name map
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mixi ur pro it doesnt matter what you do on the map
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starts with G
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gesternkoerchen
upp 1
22:56
or something
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That one is painful in team
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If mixi4denkstdu was attempted by hard gores players it'd be completed pretty easily
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I did it first try
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we had half the team of semi pros
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I'm not pro
22:57
what
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who are these semi pros
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"semi pros" huh? who
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well good players 😛
22:57
accordingf t ome
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Well semi pro and good is quite a difference
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if u had 1 semi pro player u would finish this map
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so map is working as intended, better players can finish it solo and main players are struggling
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ice ice clan has some semi-pros
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so how is that working as intended?
22:58
ITS FOR MAIN
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I doubt these players would struggle on this map :
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its main5 (edited)
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Ipoopi nono main is different, more accidental saboteurs from other players, need atleast two decent players
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thats literally not working as intended
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so move to easier maps
22:58
lol
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For longer maps atleast
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Ondis seems like it is a great map, it obviously have features that you are struggling with that you don't think are covered in other main maps
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skill issue. just because you got carried on anagrama doesnt mean youre capable of finish every single main map
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Blue how do i take screenshots in the client again?
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And everyone looking down from it in the hard/insane perspective thinks it's still easy
22:59
You need to practise on these bits, obviously
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I want to show a place thats obviously not main, even beyond the lack of savable areas and long distances between stops
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f10 or f2
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it cannot fit into hard category because of how the rating system works i think
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And it shows up in your roaming folder, I tink
23:00
Yeah, this could never be hard. Shouldn't be solo/duod first try blindly
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if it was hard, it would have to be at least 2 stars due to length i think. so its closer to 5 main than 2 hard
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Blue fck can you find me in the map
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If it was hard it'd be 3 star hard
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ur on the same server
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And its not in the same level as 3 star hard
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6 tile long 2 tile
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just spec me
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Is that your main concern?
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it just shows that rating system is not working at all
f3 1
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nono the rating system, if we look at some classic mains was perfect
23:01
its rating system
23:01
every mapper can agree
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those mains were lofty, big rooms, some tight spaces, then big rooms, nice jumps, some good hook areas
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and every tester
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But we aren't really rating 1-3 +1-2 anymore
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then you guys started making tighter and tighter spaces overall
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Ondis, the rating system works for some but it has its limitations
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and now you dont even want savable areas
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Bʟυɛ ♡
But we aren't really rating 1-3 +1-2 anymore
it doesnt matter how you rate with current system its just not gonna work
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Bʟυɛ ♡
But we aren't really rating 1-3 +1-2 anymore
just say -3
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Feels to me we are rating more on the entirety and not 2 different categories
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Bʟυɛ ♡
Feels to me we are rating more on the entirety and not 2 different categories
I disagree, Crispy always uses system
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This map literally has not 1 single big hook/jump area thats common for mains
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But then crispy isn't every tester
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Mixi
what
I agree, what? (edited)
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Like one where you need speed rather than precision
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ur complaining about a 2 tiler when it has boat spots from both sides
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ultra flowly areas, where you gotta keep going to make it
23:03
rather than tight spaces
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Auto-running maps are boring
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best maps
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You want some content
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Map preference is so opinionated its insane
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If you want those maps there is an entire gore-like series of it
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then play other maps if you prefer other maps???
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We only have the first edition on KoG, thank god
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nobody forces you to play all maps
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the rest can be found on ddnet
23:04
It's like 15 min rank 1
23:04
Mixi/Ipoopi probably knows the name
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springlobe?
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Yup
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springlobe is meh
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Springlobe sounds like perfect match for Ondis
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Fun map on gores
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Map sucks, imo
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perfect map for him will be chillerdragores20
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Isn't that longest main?😂
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longest solo finish
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Chiller4Jessica
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Bʟυɛ ♡
If you want those maps there is an entire gore-like series of it
Whats the series?
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Springlobe
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both are around 11-12 minutes solo
23:07
This is the place Ondis thinks is too hard for main
23:07
Without any arguable defence
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That's pretty main no?
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You can easily save from before and after the area
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thats not about the saves
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I don't get the problem
23:07
It's a 2 tiler
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the rest of the places are hard to save at
23:07
this is hard to solo
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Dude
23:07
Play the gernstoechen map
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how is this hard to solo
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You'll love it
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Just because theres some insane map out there even worse
23:08
like then that obviously shoudl be moved
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@Ondis you just suck. you have 0 hards finished, you dont even know what belongs to hard category
mhm 1
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Ipoopi did you just voteban me? 😄
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Ipoopi no need 💀
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FINALLY 😄 WE GOT BLUE OUT that was the ruse all along
23:08
no just kidding
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Sure, I can definitely not just remove it
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alright its fine, but I think the map is a bit hard 😄 its all good,
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bro by ur logic
23:09
all 5 star mains are too hard
23:09
or most of them
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It's not hard category though, there are harder maps in main that are 3 star
23:09
Longer. Maybe not, harder? Yes
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@Blue btw
23:09
they are votekicking everyoen on the server lol
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Wrong tag
23:09
You're tagging a random person
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@Ondis wrong
23:09
we only votekicked blue
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someone else just got votekicked
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the other one was an accident and it ended with 0 f3s
23:10
Whose a nice guy
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who helps everyone
23:10
ah okay
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he said it was an accident
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also accusing me of being rude, of what ? lol
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and f4d
23:10
i ddint
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someone did
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He told my my time was bad
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Such a rude guy that Daro
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i literally typed "RagebladeXD: so rude"
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Don't worry Ipoopi
23:11
We have a to-do ban on you and ragey
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but i did call you a crybaby
23:11
for what, bitching about maps?
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No, funvoting
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someone has to represent semi crappy players
23:11
if not me who?
23:11
😄
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maybe noone has to
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Well, you it's weird for you to try to categorize something into hard without playing a hard map
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@Crack Uncensore the word gre on a server about gres btw ❤️
23:12
@crack
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also ur skin is ugly
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my skin is sexy af everyone reference it all the time
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Ondis
@Crack Uncensore the word gre on a server about gres btw ❤️
Not going to happen and you don't need to ping him about useless things
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well let him decide
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They already have an issue with people thinking this is a very different kind of server
23:12
That's why they banned the word
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just rename kog
23:12
lol
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They're even considering renaming KoG
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yeah its kinda stupid at this point
23:13
holy sht...
23:13
Like G*re is only bad if you actually post it
23:13
Someone saying g*re isnt even a bad word
23:13
you guys gotta chill out like for real
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since its completely different server than before nobody would cry for rename
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Not necessarily but it makes getting partnership a WHOLE lot harder
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@Mixi wdym?
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Just a few "bad" words and you can get denied
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man fck the partnership
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its my personal opinion so dont wanna talk about it here
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Well that's your opinion, who has nothing to answer for and no responsibilities
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if we cant use the word that the very server is named for it doesnt need it
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It's not named for that word, it's name after the gamemode gores
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See you just said it
23:14
ohmygod
23:14
no partnership now blue
23:14
its over
23:14
its all over
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gores, yes. Different word, different meaning
23:14
oh i can say gores
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Yes
23:15
singular then "a gores map"
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Yes
23:15
okay
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One gores map
23:15
Many greese maps
23:15
kek
23:15
^^
23:16
blue go carry me im at the end of the map ❤️
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Can't I'm banned
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show me how u solo a "ez" main
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I already have a solo time
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yeah i know ^^
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stop being carried and learn how to play yourself
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its pretty good
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It was really slow for a solo
23:16
First time playing the map in team 0
23:16
Stopped to save a few times (edited)
23:16
Never failed tho
23:17
Anyway I think I was afk
23:17
u said theres a series of maps
23:17
that are in the way i like em
23:17
what are they called?
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I said it 4 times
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ah sorry
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Ipoopi once too
23:17
Springlobe
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i was looking for the creens
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Springlobe is meh
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go play qkogs
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Goertsenkenchen or something is 👍
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springlobe
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That's the one u want
23:18
better for teams
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springlobe i can only find 1 map off
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Hi blu!
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Mixi
yes
cant find that one
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Route66
Hi blu!
Hai root!
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is it main or?
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hard category
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Both main
23:19
oh, Q-Kogs are hard
23:19
but probably should be main
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ye all are main5
23:19
maybe 1 is main 4
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Depends, old or "new" rating system?
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for current standards
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I wouldn't say they fit main 5 in difficulty
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wdym new system
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You guys havent even told me what the "rating" system is beyond "if its hard its hard"
23:20
For stars yes
23:20
but still nothing on the actual system
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For current system standards
23:20
huh?
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twice at least
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Literally got told that its "hard if its hard"
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all you need to know that current system sucks
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only explained how stars are awarded
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not how main and hard are divided
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1-5 ratings on difficulty and length and if it surpasses 5 it goes into next level
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There's no divide
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Just above 5 is next level
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Bʟυɛ ♡
1-5 ratings on difficulty and length and if it surpasses 5 it goes into next level
what
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ohkay
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its wrong
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doesnt make sense tho
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Main 1-5, there is no 6, 6 is hard 1
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Basically
23:21
With some context and etc.
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so what is this based on, mixi soloing it?
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But generally you won't find that many 1 tilers in main (edited)
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or a team of average main players playing it?
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its based on my personal opinion
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ah there is the proble
23:21
^
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🙂
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It's based on a number of personal opinions
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rerating wasnt applied yet
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idk what happened to that
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well obviously main players should test main maps
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easy players should test easy maps
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etc
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I disagree
23:22
its useless
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There are different level testers
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Not everyone is Goated like Mixi
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all depends on your knowledge about mapping and overall how rating works
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Yeah but someone like Mixi whose main difficulty on a main map is how long it is, is not apt for testing the individual areas
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and how hard they are
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doesnt matter if you are main hard or insane player
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I mean we even allowed in Route66 to test for a while
23:23
That says A LOT
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Im saying NOBODY who is a pro should be "testing" a main map
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Thats just wrong
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no i just explain why its not
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They have more experience
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I mostly play main maps
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They know the next levels
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Exactly, thats the problem
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They aren't rating it by "Do I think it's hard" (edited)
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That also leads to an inflation on difficulty because as they get better, they have even less problems with main maps
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so what
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So it corrupts the entire rating system
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Ondis they are literally dropping lower and lower for standards
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Easy maps have never been as easy
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Hard maps too
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Youre getting better as players, overall peopel are getting better at IT in general
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I mean Aqua, HeyTux6, Q-Kogs, Tookies
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No
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Goldie was the easiest map when I started
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Man I have less problems with the old main maps than any of hte new ones
23:25
like this one or Urskog
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Goldie or Ice-breaker
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you know what, with latest rerating that was done I think overall it was balanced somehow, considering current skill level of players
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But now there is dandelinux
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I mean, it's almost hard to fail at dandelinux
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all easy maps also were adjusted
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Dandelinux is an introduction map
23:25
THat doesnt count for the argument
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to make it category for beginners
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Game has never been as easy
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But overall there is an inflation of difficulty, which is ultimately why the new difficulty was created
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Or low-rated, as right now
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lol
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It's true
23:26
They added a new category EXTREME because maps were too hard for insane
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oh btw springlobe, yeah thats a map my taste ^^
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pity currently theres only 1
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new category was created because current system sucks
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If inflation would be a thing, extreme wouldn't exist
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And insane maps would creep into low hard rating
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But it ain't happening
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How do you know?
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Because I play those maps
23:27
huh?
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I play around hard/insane. Aqua is a main map in hard category
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LETS compare maps that i know
23:28
Mixi4 map that was mentioned
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Bʟυɛ ♡
I play around hard/insane. Aqua is a main map in hard category
I released aqua in hard category
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Vs Grieta
23:28
5 star
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Aqua is main 4
🤣 1
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I can half solo Grieta
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I failed 50 times on mixis map
23:28
explain that
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but fits as easiest 1 star hard
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Grieta is more ddrace/mod map
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doesnt matter if its hard1 or main4
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IF you get those mechanics that map is easy but long
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and for hard1 you get less points
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its more oldschool yes, because Gores ultimately came from DDrace and warped out of it
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more maps should be like Grieta
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No
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but thats beyond the point
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Less
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everyone hates ddrace
23:29
here
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the difficulty is BEYOND different
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You can play in mod if you want that
23:29
Grieta is a TINY bit easier than new mixi map imo
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Its ALOT easier
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Depends
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or maybe its just that im a different player then
23:29
BUT
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IF you're born and raised in KoG then they are about the same
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because my map is more focused on actual gores gameplay
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we were 15 players struggling as fck with the new mixi map
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If you have a knack for ddrace maps it's easier
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of varying skills incl some that had 15min times on it (2x blues so pretty decent at lerast)
23:30
Im not saying the map is bad, the maps is pretty good
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but I dont understand why do you even care about map ratings if it will never work with this system
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im saying its too hard and that too good players are deciding what should be main maps nowdays
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just leave it
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Ondis
im saying its too hard and that too good players are deciding what should be main maps nowdays
ok so
23:31
rerate all maps that exist on kog
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and we will compare our lists
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Ondis
im saying its too hard and that too good players are deciding what should be main maps nowdays
because new ones have no expecience of the difficulties at all
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What about Alternate? Blood4Miku has weirder hooks than Mixis map and somewhat equal in length
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lemme see
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Cgores 2 is definitely harder than Mixi4Densk map
23:32
For the average main player
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Alternate is like the mixi map
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But
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and heres the crucial difference
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ITS NOT AS PUNISHING
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Alternate sucks upp
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it doesnt have on purpose 5 layer deep holes
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Alterante is harder
23:32
Harder saves and more awkward hooks
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its harder but not as punishing
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no
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Yes
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boats shouldnt count as punishment level
23:33
what are you smoking
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nobody cares about boats
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its not gores mechanic
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People with 5+ teams get saved by boats when they fail sometimes
23:33
you literally made sure none of your harder places had a possiblity of stacking
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ANYWHERE
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but thats not the purpose of all parts in map
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Almost every main map has it, its forgiving
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people make parts with purpose of players saving each other with like hammer not boating
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idk
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thats what makes it a bit easier, even if on occassion other maps are technically harder than yours
23:34
You need to stop making maps from a solo pros perspective and focus on main players
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bsz4miiep is one of the hardest mains imo
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we team and fail alot
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I dont care about your perspective
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Not faily but hard
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or any other perspective
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stop freakin making main maps then
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I make maps for myself
23:34
no
23:34
I want this game to have full variety of maps
23:35
so you will have something to choose from
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You're basically admitting you rated it according to what a solo pro player would expect from it
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everyone rated it
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I'm not a solo pro player
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same as me
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I rate it main 4
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And I can agree with that, I already said its kinda 5 star main for that
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Mixi is much more pro than me
23:35
He rates it main 5
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maybe even a bit less
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Your point is invalid
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4-5 yes, but not for a team
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its never main4 with this length
23:35
but nvm
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yeah true ^
23:35
difficulty 4+ lenght 5+
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BUT
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for a team
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its harder than that
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Difficulty 3
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i think we agree
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Scarce use of 2 tilers
23:36
Not a single 1 tiler
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Not that many weird hooks or angles
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Crispy couldnt finish alternate for like a year because of the solo partkek
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All places saveable
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that screenshot i showed was pretty difficult jump man
23:36
What so you want perma death areas in mains too?
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That exists
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perma death?
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rating fits perfectly, map has no hard parts
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I think perma death areas are so fun
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they exist at like difficulty 1-2
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Back down and then hook the floating block
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if you can save there as a main player go back to 1 star maps maybe
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cant*
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You can save there
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Hook right wall, back in/down. Hook floating block
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im not talking about saves there
23:37
the rest of the map is this:
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He just means the racing difficulty
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like that part -----> of the circle that you see in the upper right corner
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There are maps with multiple 1 tilers and this is where he draws the line
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purposefully extended areas
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Hook right wall? (edited)
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okay can we chill a bit, like I like you both I feel this is getting a bit out of hand for a silly discussion.
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Look at the spot in the top right corner
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that's how 90% of falls are on the map,
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Look at the map I talked about before
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that are difficult
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That is an old and classic main map
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why do you have to take the worst example
23:39
we already spoke about Grieta or Alternate that arent like that
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you mean this??
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most main maps arent like that
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yeah that
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Alternate has those parts
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So why extend that like that mixi?
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why not just bring up the ground
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so that its a tight space
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its my map
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🙂
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Why is it full of that? tell me hwy you design it like that?
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because I like it
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deep falls, tight falls, everything is like that
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It's already 4 tilers of space though
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The pont is its not stackable/boatable
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and the "drop" is only 4 tiles
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like 99% of all other main maps
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That's not something un-haerd of in main maps
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my point was for it to not be stackable/boatable
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so where is the problem
23:40
and my point is that this makes it more difficult for your average main team
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how much more space do you want
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without adding anything for the pro player
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pro player? xd
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occassional such things are okay but when a map is full of them
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I mean, if you rely on number abusing with boats to finish 99% of main maps, we have another problem my friend
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like you^
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It adds nothing for the good player and ruins the experience for the bad player
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so im asking you to consider that when designing maps
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and for ppl to consider it when rating them
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It is adding something for the middle-man
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if this is ur definition of ruining experience
23:41
Im gonna continue making main maps like this
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thanks for motivation
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I like such parts, wide hooks are always fun
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Why can a map like alternate or grieta exist without it?
23:41
and still be 5 stars
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I don't understand why you are complaining about the difficulty. You get better by trying new things, by playing hard stuff that makes you go outside of your comfort zone
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Blue ffs
23:42
im not compalining about there existing harder maps
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If you struggle with THAT particular thing, then it's GREAT that it's finally covered?
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im not even mad but the discussion is now more about the principle of how maps should be rated than the map itself
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so basically you dont know why I made such spots in this map
23:42
yea?
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God, everyone who is at my skill level or a bit above it struggles with it
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where as a good player doesnt
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I don't like ddnet maps, not because I'm bad at ddnet. I can finish brutal ddnet maps
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I don't like ddnet maps in gores, because I'm playing gores
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not ddnet
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Mixi why did you make so many such spots do tell
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already told you, its my map
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So Grieta and maps like Springlobe which have no content and just auto-run the entire map, I dislike
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I do what I want
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They're not hard, they're just not my cup of tea, when it comes to gores
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you dont like people boating, youve said it yourself its "not a mechanic in gores"
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You should appreciate hard, but if it's BAD then that's one thing
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idea behind it was for players to learn different ways of saving
23:43
might help in hards/insanes
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Some old maps are REALLY BAD, that's unarguable
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but maybe its only me
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Blue ffs like can you argue the point here?
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Not because they are hard, but just beacuse they are bad
23:44
Mixi's map is good, it's hard, yes, but still good
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Do you understand what im even saying
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mixi at least understands it and stands by it
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He didn't make a BAD map that doesn't fit into main
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Its not a bad map at all
23:44
its a good map
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He made a main map, that is on the harder side
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what like, are you crazy, where did i say its a bad map?
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OF main maps
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Bʟυɛ ♡
He didn't make a BAD map that doesn't fit into main
you cant say I didnt make bad map, its subjective for anyone
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Mixi
you cant say I didnt make bad map, its subjective for anyone
No there are definite markers for making a BAD map
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Alright look I'll make this simple Blue:
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Enjoyable etc. is one thing
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1. The experience for a map like Mixi's is vastlye different for the average main player who depends on teams and for the good to very good player that solo's or goes 2-3 map.
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You seem to forget I was also once a main player?
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I dont care man
23:46
what does it matter
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I am still playing main
23:46
I know what things I found hard
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Everyone plays main cause they are solid maps that flow
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I know what maps me and Route66 struggled to duo
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This would NOT have been one of those maps
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Again, im not talking about solo or duoing a map
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Im talking about teaming a map
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which is what 80-90% of main players do
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Yes, but if you can duo a map, you can team it in a infinite number
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they go in these big clusters and even then we fail
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some maps are a lot funner to big team 0 tbf
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It all boils down to skill level at that point. Because with a huge team, you'll have someone being an anchor
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No it doesnt
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And that isn't the fault of the map, or the difficulty
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THATS THE POINT
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that's the player
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IT DOES NOT BOIL DOWN TO SKILL
23:48
This kind of map creates a disparity
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that makes the skill curve far steeper
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sometimes a mid size team of semi good main players can finish a map
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It really doesn't. It just SHOWCASES the lack of skill in certain areas
23:48
It isn't HARDER, it just bring out YOUR flaws or YOUR TEAMS flaws
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Not if a part of the "skillset" an average main player has is to build mini bridges
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Which is literally semi useless on a map like this
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because mixi on purpose wants to train people not to do it
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which he has admited to
23:49
the little bastad 😄
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Building boats is a last resort when you aren't equipped enough to play the map
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Whe you can't race or save good enough to play the map as intended
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and the goal is to reach end game maps, do you have any options to boat there?
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Mixi making parts not allowing that ISN'T MAKING THE MAP ITSELF HARDER
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No its not mixi
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tbf building boats is a great tool in certain situations
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It's only NOT letting you ABUSE NUMBERS
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Yoin
tbf building boats is a great tool in certain situations
Boats suck
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some of us will never reach those maps, im too old and even before I never could build up muscle memory in that way
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well its my understanding of this game and mapping
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Its cause you want to win, i just wnt to have a good time
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Route66
Boats suck
only if youre part of the hull kek
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Ondis
some of us will never reach those maps, im too old and even before I never could build up muscle memory in that way
if you say something like this surely you wont
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Yoin
only if youre part of the hull kek
true that
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No, I hate leaving boats too
23:50
Too big waves, making me bounce around
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I play this game for over 8 years and Im telling you that everyone can reach my level which is around being trash
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Man I was a top Unreal Tournament player, even won a local tournament (the way I got my tickets to dreamhack once) , I had my time
23:51
Well nto top like pro making money but like very good
23:51
most players never reach it because the top of the pyrmid is small
23:51
now in Teeworlds, sure we dont compete against each other
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No one is saying you need to be Jukki or Ziinox to beat this map 😄
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So theoretically there is space
23:51
but thats not what most people play for
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anyway your motivatio nis kinda cool i dont disaparage it
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but I think maps should be tested by its intended audience, this is normal on all other for profit ventures, and most non profit
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and I dont see the reason for good players testing easy or medium maps
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as little as I see reason for easy player testing insane maps
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its simple logic
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then go test maps
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The fact that you cannot use boats, is not a valid argument to show this map has a faulty rating. The parts you have showcased, there are MUCH worse areas in main maps, FILLED WITH THEM
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theres like 3 testers
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Ondis 4 Tester team
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i need a team lol
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if only main players without any experience would test main maps... just idk how would it look like
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I cnat finish maps solo . I lag, even when im good i lose packets 😦
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Minimum hard players should test main maps
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Because they can tell the difference between a HARD map and a MAIN map
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its not about skill
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I finished nighthawk in 3 minutes, almost hit the wall 3 times due to lag lol, and i was lucky
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its about mapping experience
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Mixi
its about mapping experience
It's about experience
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In general
23:54
Don't have to be a good mapper to be a good tester
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Sure it helps, but just experience is key
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disagree
koggers 1
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testing is not only about gameplay blu
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GG @Route66, you just advanced to level 17 !
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I haven't made a map, I can still tell you when something is complete garbage
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MEE6
GG @Route66, you just advanced to level 17 !
koggers
koggers 1
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When there is no flow
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thats a lot
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When something doesn't fit in with the rest of the maps "feeling"
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you should apply for tester then
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I'm way too busy
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Arguing in general chatroom and closing tickets
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resign from mod then
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feelsamazingman
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Who would deal with all these tickets?
23:56
That would never work
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cuz they are useless
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Your opinion
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@Pollmaster
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bring back everything to general chatroom
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It's wrong, but sure
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We literally can't have it in general chatroom
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and bring back qshar unbanning everyone after 2 days
FeelsLULMan 1
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You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, the things we deal with
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Bʟυɛ ♡
You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, the things we deal with
thats the problem
23:57
nothing is transparent nowadays
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kog mafia
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No, that's the beautiful thing (edited)
23:57
Not about transparancy
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for someone who isnt in this community for a long time
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Bʟυɛ ♡
You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, the things we deal with
How often do people actually post g*re? Or is this a myth 😄
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cause ive never seen it 😄 I know ive been told this happens
23:57
but yeah
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It's about law, it's about safety and it's about actually being able to get anything done efficiently
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thats why you should rename kog
23:58
its not kog anymore
23:58
its some weird corporation
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Gotta agree with mixi here
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kog is what was established in 2015
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You guys turning out a bit too reddit like for me as time goes on
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But its okay
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I mean, as anything grows and becomes larger this happens
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If you've never experienced that before of never dealt with it, then it can be sad
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"What can we do to make it less popular"....Wait is this why all the servers still lag? 😄
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just joking
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You can't have a community with 100k players and no infrastructure, no support system and a all-out-mayhem in general chat
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