if people want to send me demo , im going to make my first video random moment, it would be nice to have a lot of demo (i dont have a lot except me ego skills x) )(edited)
Where can I start a petition that we have less Ger3 servers and more FRA servers!!!! FRA servers are the only ones that currently run halfway stable! or at least do not waste two test servers for it!
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PeBox
Where can I start a petition that we have less Ger3 servers and more FRA servers!!!! FRA servers are the only ones that currently run halfway stable! or at least do not waste two test servers for it!
man you should be able to tell people what they should do with your donatiosn tbh like donate for a specific cause
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Im on wifi like Tyrone and some others so I have no idea what servers are stable and what are not tbh
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What you should know about Teeworlds is that it uses a highly efficient but highly unstable network code
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I read up on it before, I cant remember exactly how it works but it cuts down on bandwith but results in great amounts of lag if even a few packets re lost or delayed
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so it might not be to the servers, i think ppl have complained about this forever
It's all a money issue as far as I understand. You could get really good hosting and amazing ddos protection as well and all the possible benefits and safeties. But the prices go up exponentially with each added benefit
But, since KoG doesn't really have a reliable income or unlimited starter budget, there's a certain limit to what can be provided (server wise) with the capital we have. So if we had more money, there would be more servers, better hosting, more secure hosting etc. etc.
But seriously, server wide lag seems rare in Teeworlds, that time when everyone says "oh crap it lagged, yeah it lagged". Its more a client to server issue and with the protocol Teeworlds is using packets aren't resent, which means inputs you make for a delayed or lost packet will be ignored and you'll miss hooks, etc.
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it mainly happens when they DDoS us and like Blue said we cant afford ddos protection its been talked about before(edited)
What leaderboards are you talking about man can you clarify? There are leaderboards for x number of fastest runs per player and there are leaderboards for fastest time on map?
Maybe not, there are coming some major updates, eventually. And things like that will (probably) come after when the core system is all done and finished
Main ones are announced in News I think. We have a bit more of a constant stream in mod chats that's more consistently updating. But there will be an entire different core system and most things will probably have to change with it. I don't know how much I can or should say, tbh. But a lot will change, and it's not really worth making new features, if they have to be remade in a while when everything else updates around it
Bʟυɛ ♡
Main ones are announced in News I think. We have a bit more of a constant stream in mod chats that's more consistently updating. But there will be an entire different core system and most things will probably have to change with it. I don't know how much I can or should say, tbh. But a lot will change, and it's not really worth making new features, if they have to be remade in a while when everything else updates around it
Neither do #of speedrun wins. "Nobody cares" about that in any speedrunning community. Instead people speedrun maps/levels/stages and that's already up there everywhere on the website
Neither do #of speedrun wins. "Nobody cares" about that in any speedrunning community. Instead people speedrun maps/levels/stages and that's already up there everywhere on the website
Need the core first before you can add everything else. But the core is the long and hard work. Once the main pieces fall in place, the rest will roll faster. Like building a new house. The ground work takes the longest, and once that's in place, it only takes a month and suddenly there's a new building(edited)
Need the core first before you can add everything else. But the core is the long and hard work. Once the main pieces fall in place, the rest will roll faster. Like building a new house. The ground work takes the longest, and once that's in place, it only takes a month and suddenly there's a new building (edited)
why do you care if someone has 100 speedrun records or 10 speedrun records. Whats interesting are the times on harder maps, or what ever map you as a speedrunner/player like to play?
*in that case id rather take points over number of records as a determination of skill(edited)
Ondis
why do you care if someone has 100 speedrun records or 10 speedrun records. Whats interesting are the times on harder maps, or what ever map you as a speedrunner/player like to play?
Now I cannot legally deny, nor confirm this statement. But what I have an "educational" video that could help you understand more."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0"
Now I cannot legally deny, nor confirm this statement. But what I have an "educational" video that could help you understand more."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0"
I see what you're both going at, and I'm here to explain both sides.
Mixi means that he knows 30 people that could, with their current skill level or very close to their current skill level, finish 069 solo after enough time and tries spent, right now.
Rockus means that if you have to spend an entire day or a rather big number of tries to finish a map, it isn't considered to be "easy".(edited)
Bʟυɛ ♡
I see what you're both going at, and I'm here to explain both sides.
Mixi means that he knows 30 people that could, with their current skill level or very close to their current skill level, finish 069 solo after enough time and tries spent, right now.
Rockus means that if you have to spend an entire day or a rather big number of tries to finish a map, it isn't considered to be "easy". (edited)
Cause we've definetely left the part about whether we have speedrunners or not7
Bʟυɛ ♡
I see what you're both going at, and I'm here to explain both sides.
Mixi means that he knows 30 people that could, with their current skill level or very close to their current skill level, finish 069 solo after enough time and tries spent, right now.
Rockus means that if you have to spend an entire day or a rather big number of tries to finish a map, it isn't considered to be "easy". (edited)
Isn't it enough to show that various people can compete with him on some maps, that are clearly very hard? Thats my whole point on why # of wins dont matter
earlier, you said that its weird Im considering kiri as a speedrunner with 17 r1 finishes (right now), well if you look as his activity lately it just doesnt exist, he is not playing this game anymore so its normal that his r1 are beaten (even I could beat them after some time), next thing is time when he set his r1s, go ahead and check the dates, most of them are old runs so I dont get why he shouldnt be considered as a speedrunner just because he is not active anymore, so if like any pro player stops playing he shouldnt be considered as a pro anymore? where is the logic
easiest way to stop the salinity from changing is to complete 069 r1
Mixi
earlier, you said that its weird Im considering kiri as a speedrunner with 17 r1 finishes (right now), well if you look as his activity lately it just doesnt exist, he is not playing this game anymore so its normal that his r1 are beaten (even I could beat them after some time), next thing is time when he set his r1s, go ahead and check the dates, most of them are old runs so I dont get why he shouldnt be considered as a speedrunner just because he is not active anymore, so if like any pro player stops playing he shouldnt be considered as a pro anymore? where is the logic
meh well there you have it different people different communities, and maybe like mixi said people have jobs/ lives etc. As we established earlier, the "community" as a whole has grown so yeah.
Rockus
ziinox could beat all of his ranks in his current form tho
meh well there you have it different people different communities, and maybe like mixi said people have jobs/ lives etc. As we established earlier, the "community" as a whole has grown so yeah.
We already established that there is a website that tracks it, its just not official but fine, yeah sure, add # rank 1s as a category to # points(edited)
good job @Mixi . if ziinox wanted to get that rank back he prob would get it faster than you could beat it
Ondis
We already established that there is a website that tracks it, its just not official but fine, yeah sure, add # rank 1s as a category to # points (edited)
i don't know about those %, seems like you're just throwing it in the air
PeBox
Where can I start a petition that we have less Ger3 servers and more FRA servers!!!! FRA servers are the only ones that currently run halfway stable! or at least do not waste two test servers for it!
I mean we already have /top5 command. You can quite clearly see it there. But, I agree. Probably won't be too hard adding KOF's list to KoG. However, not sure how to update it if not manually, and maybe KOF wants credit for the work he has done. I don't know, it's not a bad idea. But probably not the first priority of things to do on the already very long list of coming updates and tweaks that Avo is working on*(edited)
I never said it. But, Ziinox's skill level is higher than yours, he is better at speedrunning and he has the statistical advantage, so that scenario is much easier to calculate. Damian's scenario is far-fetched at this point. Even if I believe you, it's purely hypothetical.
@Krumplee and still, speedrunning should be highlighted in this community. even if you don't speedrun there's people that do and maybe more people would if there was a leaderboard
@Krumplee and still, speedrunning should be highlighted in this community. even if you don't speedrun there's people that do and maybe more people would if there was a leaderboard
Was Damian better than Ziinox when he was active? Yes. Did he have a head-start in rank 1's? Yes. Does that automatically mean that he would keep evolving at a similar as Ziinox? No. Could Ziinox have surpassed him? Maybe. Could Damian evolve fast enough so that for todays conversation, he would have more rank 1's? Possibly. Could Ziinox have evolved faster than what Damian could keep up with? Equally possible.(edited)
Was Damian better than Ziinox when he was active? Yes. Did he have a head-start in rank 1's? Yes. Does that automatically mean that he would keep evolving at a similar as Ziinox? No. Could Ziinox have surpassed him? Maybe. Could Damian evolve fast enough so that for todays conversation, he would have more rank 1's? Possibly. Could Ziinox have evolved faster than what Damian could keep up with? Equally possible. (edited)
I dont know, its clear that ziinox is top1 speedrun player rn and from active players nobody is close to him (maybe jukki if he tried) but trying to prove that any other player that is not active anymore is trash is just weird bro
I dont know, its clear that ziinox is top1 speedrun player rn and from active players nobody is close to him (maybe jukki if he tried) but trying to prove that any other player that is not active anymore is trash is just weird bro
I liked the video because he took time to land on platforms and re-align some hooks and stopped when he wasn't comfortable. Made it more understandable and easier to cope with.
I mean, Rockus telling one of the best players in KoG history that he's trash is just foolish. But, it's online gaming banter, nothing that you need to take serious. Also there is no way to know exactly when Ziinox started tryharding by looking at his points. Sometimes you tryhard and it takes a while for the skills and results to show. Any professional athlete can tell you about that
I mean, Rockus telling one of the best players in KoG history that he's trash is just foolish. But, it's online gaming banter, nothing that you need to take serious. Also there is no way to know exactly when Ziinox started tryharding by looking at his points. Sometimes you tryhard and it takes a while for the skills and results to show. Any professional athlete can tell you about that
I mean, if someone plays 2 hours every Christmas since 2010, as a tradition, they've technically been playing for 12.5 years. That doesn't mean that much. It's time spent, and how regularly it is that matters most
If you play 10 hours, every day, for a year. You will have more play time than some people that play for 5+ years. So it's not really relevant when they started
Bʟυɛ ♡
If you play 10 hours, every day, for a year. You will have more play time than some people that play for 5+ years. So it's not really relevant when they started
And this debate is starting to feel like a never ending loop where you eventually just find a new target or point to argue about. Can you reach a point of conclusion and stop going on tangents?
Mixi
but I can tell you, if I tried playing with mouse hook you wouldnt be able to reach my skill in your whole life @Rockus(edited)
nothing stops you from buying a mouse and a keyboard right
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you chose those binds
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if you think those binds are capping you
Bʟυɛ ♡
And this debate is starting to feel like a never ending loop where you eventually just find a new target or point to argue about. Can you reach a point of conclusion and stop going on tangents?
Generally I wouldn't use that word as a description of another player, however if we translate it to "the bottom % of players" in terms of skill level. That isn't happening. However, it is definitely possible for someone of a "lesser skill level" than what you'd expect for a rank 1 to claim a number of rank 1's. There's two ways that immediately pops up in my mind. You could spend hours upon hours playing a really easy map and perfect a speedrun. Or, the second option, is to play a map that has a really bad rank 1, generally those would be relatively un-played or un-appreciated maps, for example, most of the MOD category(edited)
Your discussion is quite useless since you are both toxic, but Imo adding a leaderboards or more importance to speedrun is quite a good idea
Bʟυɛ ♡
Generally I wouldn't use that word as a description of another player, however if we translate it to "the bottom % of players" in terms of skill level. That isn't happening. However, it is definitely possible for someone of a "lesser skill level" than what you'd expect for a rank 1 to claim a number of rank 1's. There's two ways that immediately pops up in my mind. You could spend hours upon hours playing a really easy map and perfect a speedrun. Or, the second option, is to play a map that has a really bad rank 1, generally those would be relatively un-played or un-appreciated maps, for example, most of the MOD category (edited)
It might motivate people to try and claim them (rank 1's) yes, and I think absolutely no one has been against the idea, so far, about adding that to the KoG website. I had the most negative POV, when stating that it is probably not going to happen super soon, because there are some other major updates in line that might HAVE to go first before we can add new features. However, I want to be very clear on one thing. That is a hypothesis. It might be possible to just add it before any major core updates. Since I'm, as already mentioned, not super involved in the techy stuff nor the person responsible for making all this happen, I don't really know. I can only guess and estimate(edited)
True like most of r1. If you compare run in ddrace and gores, you can notice that ddrace it’s close to perfection, on gores I almost never seen a speedrun with full swing and speed
True like most of r1. If you compare run in ddrace and gores, you can notice that ddrace it’s close to perfection, on gores I almost never seen a speedrun with full swing and speed
True like most of r1. If you compare run in ddrace and gores, you can notice that ddrace it’s close to perfection, on gores I almost never seen a speedrun with full swing and speed
Depends on your perspective. From his perspective? Maybe that was only 60% of his capacity. So it might not seem great for him. But to the rest of the KoG scene, the entire community? 95% of players will probably never be close to doing his "bad" runs
I mean I'm not very good. I'm a decent KoG player, I fit in the KoG clan but not much else, that's where I belong. But even I are in a top % if you count all players
ƒirewave
Anyway more than ddrace, connection and set up means a lot on gores xd
Fr I tried quite bad set up (laptop 60hz + 4g connection on a little table). It was possible in the past to be better than the average, I don’t think it’s possible anymore
i mean do you agree kog should take some stance in speedrunning and actually give it some
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idk the word
ƒirewave
Fr I tried quite bad set up (laptop 60hz + 4g connection on a little table). It was possible in the past to be better than the average, I don’t think it’s possible anymore
i play on 60hz 5 years old monitor which has fcked up pixels i dont even have mechanical keyboard i used genius netscroll 120 mouse (got new mouse 2 months ago) and i dont even play on cable
i play on 60hz 5 years old monitor which has fcked up pixels i dont even have mechanical keyboard i used genius netscroll 120 mouse (got new mouse 2 months ago) and i dont even play on cable
Aren't everyone able to send in their highlights to discord? Like has any "speedrunner" had their highlights declined or?
nEProiect
i play on 60hz 5 years old monitor which has fcked up pixels i dont even have mechanical keyboard i used genius netscroll 120 mouse (got new mouse 2 months ago) and i dont even play on cable
i think monitor caps some skills in kog like tiny hooks so maybe getting a 240hz monitor would make you better in that. not syaing you're not good at it, but maybe an improvement would appear
Mixi
most of people that played to get r1s didnt care about getting some new rank systems especially for speedrunning so whats the point
i think monitor caps some skills in kog like tiny hooks so maybe getting a 240hz monitor would make you better in that. not syaing you're not good at it, but maybe an improvement would appear
Yes but other players find it interesting to look at these stats and compare and maybe put a goal towards/because of them. Same reaction people have to points, it has no real negative effect as far as I can see and it will most likely bring more attention to speedrunning and to KoG in general(edited)
Yes but other players find it interesting to look at these stats and compare and maybe put a goal towards/because of them. Same reaction people have to points, it has no real negative effect as far as I can see and it will most likely bring more attention to speedrunning and to KoG in general (edited)
Just don't want it to seem like it's definitely going to happen soon since a mod thought it was a good idea. In the end, there's a discussion to be had about this, wager in time to build/maintain this program, what benefits does it have, what negative side effects might it bring etc. But as a suggestion, it's a really good one.
Just don't want it to seem like it's definitely going to happen soon since a mod thought it was a good idea. In the end, there's a discussion to be had about this, wager in time to build/maintain this program, what benefits does it have, what negative side effects might it bring etc. But as a suggestion, it's a really good one.
Its very easy to export the stats to the stats that already exist and just add a new table, big thing is just to agree on it between the guys who run the two websites
Its very easy to export the stats to the stats that already exist and just add a new table, big thing is just to agree on it between the guys who run the two websites
Sure but if it's data transmitted automatically we want it to work with the new core that's being implemented, and if we make the website update now, maybe it won't work together with it later on when the core is updated. It depends on how it fits in with the entire scheme of things(edited)
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I mean, just having a stat table doesn't sound that complicated
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But, if it has to be rebuilt in a couple of months again, it might seem better to just wait until then to make it
I don't think so, that's been in discussion before, Mixi probably knows. But the website is also something (I think?) that is going to be changed with core updates(edited)
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I mean, for now it works. It loads slowly but in the end, it does its job. Unless it's broken I'm not sure Avo is spending time to upgrade it, since it might get scrapped for an entire new one later on(edited)
So from my perspective (as a trash player), you already had speedrun leaderboard system which was kinda ok (was working like you could get from 1 to 100 points for each map meaning 1 is for r1, less points you had in total the higher you were in leaderboard), it was a bit problematic cuz it needed server restarts or smth to refresh all data, anyway I think that nobody cared about it, like it was next to other statistics (fixed points, season points etc). When it disappeard it looked like nobody noticed and cared about it. I can tell you that much more players speedrunned back then (even if their level was much lower)
Mixi
So from my perspective (as a trash player), you already had speedrun leaderboard system which was kinda ok (was working like you could get from 1 to 100 points for each map meaning 1 is for r1, less points you had in total the higher you were in leaderboard), it was a bit problematic cuz it needed server restarts or smth to refresh all data, anyway I think that nobody cared about it, like it was next to other statistics (fixed points, season points etc). When it disappeard it looked like nobody noticed and cared about it. I can tell you that much more players speedrunned back then (even if their level was much lower)
Might also be cool to see some % stat like, who has best rank 1 in comparison to other ranks on the same map. As in, person A has a rank 1 that is 16% faster than rank 2 on that map, but on this map we have a rank 1 that is 28% faster than rank 2!!
That sounds interesting too, but it might be very hard to calculate and implement into some system
ƒirewave
I don’t know, maybe there is a way to make it more rewarding
Most people would agree, I think. But, I'm not sure the top % care. At a certain point you care more about finishing all maps, as a completionist, rather than getting the points
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And all maps as in all insanes/extremes
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Some don't care at all about lower maps, especially if they changed name in past or started at a high skill level (maybe migrated from ddnet)(edited)
I personally love speedrun and I get rarely rank because I search perfection. But if I see more and more people tryhard the same map as me. It would be challenging and I’m sure it’s the way you need to go to bring more players
But for the community as a whole I think the point system we have is a great one. Almost the same as ddrace's one, however it's more rewarding to finish a map again on KoG but season points differentiation to fixed points is important to have.
I mean that's online arguing in a nutshell. There's some steps you can take to prevent this but that's only for the most experience debate experts, I'd like to think I got some aces up my sleeve to prevent this. But I have to partake in the discussion actively to be able to implement them
True but Sion is like S+++ tier in low ranks. It's like Yorick. It's not good because the champ is any good. It's only good because everyone they play against is stupid
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Champs that have 55%+ winrate in low ranks but like 47% in dia+(edited)
Yeah but, Sion shouldn't really be able to get that good roams with ult. I mean, a man is literally screaming in your ear every time he activates it. There's a bit of a heads-start. And not having vision or awareness is a part of being stoopid(edited)
No, but "failing is art" is true. Because you can fail in different ways. You can do a part in a "harder" or "weirder" way but doing it that way might mean you fail into a safer and more easily saved from area. Instead of going in, hoping you make it and if you fail, you can't be saved unless someone else manages to do the part
I think Migget has reached such a universally agreed upon GOATed status in failing that we might skip the "it's hypothetical" part this time. And just go to IS.
I remember first rog3 finish where every team was so close of doing it, then migget suddenly came back from his teeworlds break and we finished with him first try
Well, since data about citizens in Sweden is public info. You'd really need a lot less effort to actually find someone, at least not someone who is trying to hide.(edited)