|*KoG*| King of Gores - general

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does anyone have this skin?

If you see it ingame youhave it in your ddnet files

@916mate Nice video sub

Imagine making feature requests channel where people write their own ideas but in the end nothing will be implemented, welcome to kog

ShizeR

@916mate Nice video sub

Thank you, I appreciate it, that also means I don’t stop!

Mixi

Imagine making feature requests channel where people write their own ideas but in the end nothing will be implemented, welcome to kog

Take care of what you're actually saying, true fax are not well seen there

Mixi

Imagine making feature requests channel where people write their own ideas but in the end nothing will be implemented, welcome to kog

Everytime you write something, there's only "mimimi crying this doenst work... mimimi, why are some players better than me on scoreboard... mimimimi crying moreservers are lagging"... <ragemode> First of all, developing features isnt that easy as you might know we're trying to get the best price/performance servers for the money we spend. I'm currently working on making KoG server more performant by tweaking some internals. Furthermore, most of our servers arent 250€ /month maschines as it would definitly explode our budget... You're playing for FREE for years now ( Thanks to all donators & QshaR for keeping this up FOR YEARS FOR FREE!!!!

). We are aware that sometimes there's a ddos on our servers, but we definitly cant stop that one as it would be very expensive. Everyone in KoG - administration / moderation is doing this in his spare-time, voluntarily. Sometimes we receive a thank you or donations for that service. We appreciate the contribution from our community, but only "mimimi" from you is kinda bullshit. Personally im tired of reading your useless comments, your criticism will be taken seriously, but we cant fix your local internet connection. Our servers are working fine, sometimes ddos, but in general they're fine & do have a buffer for peak times. </ragemode> (edited)

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12:26

@Mixi stop "mimimi" crying u kiddo troll

Avolicious

Everytime you write something, there's only "mimimi crying this doenst work... mimimi, why are some players better than me on scoreboard... mimimimi crying moreservers are lagging"... <ragemode> First of all, developing features isnt that easy as you might know we're trying to get the best price/performance servers for the money we spend. I'm currently working on making KoG server more performant by tweaking some internals. Furthermore, most of our servers arent 250€ /month maschines as it would definitly explode our budget... You're playing for FREE for years now ( Thanks to all donators & QshaR for keeping this up FOR YEARS FOR FREE!!!!

). We are aware that sometimes there's a ddos on our servers, but we definitly cant stop that one as it would be very expensive. Everyone in KoG - administration / moderation is doing this in his spare-time, voluntarily. Sometimes we receive a thank you or donations for that service. We appreciate the contribution from our community, but only "mimimi" from you is kinda bullshit. Personally im tired of reading your useless comments, your criticism will be taken seriously, but we cant fix your local internet connection. Our servers are working fine, sometimes ddos, but in general they're fine & do have a buffer for peak times. </ragemode> (edited)

Thats complete nonsense, Im only talking about adding new stuff and things that people would like to see. And you bring topic of server maintenance and moderation. First of all when we talked with qshar about polish servers we wanted to pay for them but he didnt agree. Then there is moderation topic, well ok for you our community is too small to have at least 1 moderator and its ok to have 200 german people there (I dont have anything against most of them), but its at least understandable. And last thing about implementing new features. Do you think I started giving my ideas just recently? Nope. I've already mentioned some cool stuff over 1 year ago but ok, you need more time. People want to see new things and you just write no, no, no it will be too expensive, we cant do that. Yeah you cant do that, you cant even try that. Im sitting in this community for so long and ofc Im toxic person and I just say what I think. What I want is to make this place better, why you never make any polls or smth like that to see if players want something or not. A lot of people are willing to help. Sure you can just ignore me and keep going with current attitude. From now I wont rly care about what you do. (edited)

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No avo is right most of the time ur just crying

Suuuure everybody should agree with everything

Mixi

Thats complete nonsense, Im only talking about adding new stuff and things that people would like to see. And you bring topic of server maintenance and moderation. First of all when we talked with qshar about polish servers we wanted to pay for them but he didnt agree. Then there is moderation topic, well ok for you our community is too small to have at least 1 moderator and its ok to have 200 german people there (I dont have anything against most of them), but its at least understandable. And last thing about implementing new features. Do you think I started giving my ideas just recently? Nope. I've already mentioned some cool stuff over 1 year ago but ok, you need more time. People want to see new things and you just write no, no, no it will be too expensive, we cant do that. Yeah you cant do that, you cant even try that. Im sitting in this community for so long and ofc Im toxic person and I just say what I think. What I want is to make this place better, why you never make any polls or smth like that to see if players want something or not. A lot of people are willing to help. Sure you can just ignore me and keep going with current attitude. From now I wont rly care about what you do. (edited)

"We wanted to pay" is not the same as "We pay for"

But okay, paying for a server is awesome but not necessary. We even dont want you to pay for a server with 10 people on it... thats bullshit tho... we only start kog servers in regions where alot of players are located. ( South Africa will be shutdown next month, as its empty

)... We dont add moderators just to have a moderator from a specific country. Moderators do have a lot of access... so being a mod has something todo with trustworthyness & your personal attitude ( yours is toxic tbh ). Giving ideas != ideas are useful How are "business" develop decision are being made? - Quick Guide In modern development environments you use Kanban/Scrum ( sprints and so on ) to work efficient. In our case, as we are 2 developers - qshar & me - we are working with Kanban only, we're discussing features internally & try to evaluate how worth this feature/task is. Spending 6 months for a new points system, which is only being used by nearly 25% of the community for example, is not that worth as implementing latest ddnet features like DDNet spec. YES we know that you guys do have alot of ideas & we mostly agree with new content, but you need to understand that this is a productive system & we have to test alot of stuff. And I am not even talking about the time used for development, because I want to play either

QshaR & (me, myself & I) are spending a ton of time into maintenance & development. ( We are working / studying.. & sometimes playing other games, we are just a gamer like you ) Q: So why you dont even try that now?!?!?!? I want that feature!!!!!! NOOOOOW!!!! Well, this would result in discussions. Discussions leads to less development time... Less development time -> less efficiency... less efficiency -> less features

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solution: go open source

Deleted User

solution: go open source

Do you know how to code?

12:43

You can contribute to DDNet upstream

its really nice to see that you are so active avo, in 1 month more than qshar basically ever. But i think ddnet handles most stuff just better they are open source, transparent, have moderators, no kog member only advantages

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GG @Noke, you just advanced to level 5 !

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its really nice to see that you are so active avo, in 1 month more than qshar basically ever. But i think ddnet handles most stuff just better they are open source, transparent, have moderators, no kog member only advantages

QshaR made a lot in the past. He basically setup the whole server infrastructure which is awesome

He worked years to maintain! Keep that in mind!!!! Open Source is nice ( agree with you ), but we're developing internals & a lot of bot detections. If this would be open source, we could stop that too ^^ Transparency is our goal in 2021, we're trying to be more transparent. ( But its not that easy ) We do have moderators, but DDNet is bigger than our community. ( Too many moderators leads in longer discussions & you have to find trusthworthy people ) KoG only advantages are fair enough as KoG is the clan behind the servers

12:47

Dont get me wrong, but you can basically setup your own server with Gores maps ^^

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12:48

But you can contribute to DDNet ( upstream ), so we gonna implement as its needed for KoG

Avolicious

QshaR made a lot in the past. He basically setup the whole server infrastructure which is awesome

He worked years to maintain! Keep that in mind!!!! Open Source is nice ( agree with you ), but we're developing internals & a lot of bot detections. If this would be open source, we could stop that too ^^ Transparency is our goal in 2021, we're trying to be more transparent. ( But its not that easy ) We do have moderators, but DDNet is bigger than our community. ( Too many moderators leads in longer discussions & you have to find trusthworthy people ) KoG only advantages are fair enough as KoG is the clan behind the servers

thats good to hear, ddnet also has anti bot features, and just hide it behind a stub I agree, the maintaince qshar did is nice, but since he wasnt really active in development kog is like 5 years behind ddnet, kog should be a fork of ddnet, then we have advantages from both sides

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thats good to hear, ddnet also has anti bot features, and just hide it behind a stub I agree, the maintaince qshar did is nice, but since he wasnt really active in development kog is like 5 years behind ddnet, kog should be a fork of ddnet, then we have advantages from both sides

DDNet's anti-cheat is open source... well we dont know if they're using a modified version, but there is some code on it on github. So cheats can be easily developed without being detected as they know how to trigger the bot detection

Avolicious

DDNet's anti-cheat is open source... well we dont know if they're using a modified version, but there is some code on it on github. So cheats can be easily developed without being detected as they know how to trigger the bot detection

nope, its closed just as noby and kog

12:50

its just a stub

Deleted User

nope, its closed just as noby and kog

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/tree/master/src/antibot

ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

yes

12:51

thats the interface/stub

Yep, we dont use that one

12:52

Being a fork is not possible as DDNet adds features which are not needed on our servers

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not needed and dont need to be used

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12:52

ddnet is compatible to kog quite fine

More or less from gameplay, yes

12:53

But talking about behind the scene, nope

anyway, i dont want to say what you have todo. i just feel like opensource adds more development, as there are even contributors that just implement a single feature often on ddnet

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anyway, i dont want to say what you have todo. i just feel like opensource adds more development, as there are even contributors that just implement a single feature often on ddnet

Just PR on ddnet

12:54

Maintain a new gores repository would definitly split the race community

12:55

Our backend is completely different from ddnet, we modified a bunch of backend code

i understand, but maybe redesigning makes more sense than staying with it forever, so it can be rebased easily against upstream (edited)

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12:57

simple example is, that /teaminvite is /invite on ddnet, that wouldnt even have happened in first place

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We're working on a new infrastructure ( next-gen ) style, but yeah sure... rebasing upstream is a nice feature

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simple example is, that /teaminvite is /invite on ddnet, that wouldnt even have happened in first place

Adding an alias for /teaminvite isnt that hard ^^ (edited)

yeah i know, just wanted to give a simple example

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i understand, but maybe redesigning makes more sense than staying with it forever, so it can be rebased easily against upstream (edited)

Redesigning takes also a lot of time... but lets see what happens in the future

12:58

Maybe DDNet gets more modularized ^^

sure, you can always open issues on ddnet github if you need modularization for a few components

Deleted User

sure, you can always open issues on ddnet github if you need modularization for a few components

True, but its not needed right now & to open an issue you have to collect information & write your idea. It also results in major core changes, which is unlikely to happen