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Between 2025-03-13 00:00 and 2025-03-14 00:00
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 00:19
<ChillerDragon> @Avolicious
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<ChillerDragon> did i get kicked out of kog?
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Avolicious
Sounds like a spot where Chiller would do a teeworlds gameplay video while talking about god or something 😄
so true
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 04:18
check out my cool project https://localhost:8080 /j (edited)
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04:19
great previews discord very cool
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 04:34
Contribute to SollyBunny/ddnet-skin-db-plus development by creating an account on GitHub.
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<ChillerDragon> the player might disconnect then using the client id as player index gives you a nullptr
david loves Jellycar Worlds 2025-03-13 05:54
i feel like assuming you check for it thats fine right? just dont derefrence it or kaboom
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<ChillerDragon> making sure no client id is ever reused for different players. This way you can safely pass around these unique client ids and if they still point to a valid player it is the player you want and not someone other player that reclaimed the id
david loves Jellycar Worlds 2025-03-13 05:56
i assume its currently a array. if so then you would need to change it to a vector to let it exspand
05:57
also would make ddosing way easyer given they could just leave and reajoin a bunch on a bunch of ips instead of sending a gigabit/s of data
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Ewan
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 07:10
i do not care about performance, and its easy to write
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gm devs and others
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morning fellas
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<ChillerDragon> did i get kicked out of kog?
Avolicious 2025-03-13 08:16
I told you already that I don’t know as I am Not Doing Clan related stuff
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 10:03
I assume there is a memory leak in the editor. If I switch seeds while automap is active on layer unfreeze, then the RAM only goes up.
  • I tried to remove the undo history by going to the first entry and drew smth new (which should probs clean it)
  • I tried it often enough that I don't think it's just the global allocator holding warmed up memory. map.zip
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Teero
gm devs and others
PRO_Gaming1921 2025-03-13 11:12
gm :)
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 11:26
2d42013 Update maps to new format. - Jupeyy e180d2c Add tile flag & index texture for editor - Jupeyy de3d983 Merge pull request #4 from Jupeyy/pr_map_format_and_editor - Jupeyy
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 11:50
ff7be1d Config variables & tune overhaul. - Jupeyy 9bcdb2d Add tile index & flags texture explicitly for editor. - Jupeyy 874515d Read map config file in vanilla state. - Jupeyy 00f8925 Merge pull request #98 from Jupeyy/pr_improve_map_format - Jupeyy
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 12:04
<ChillerDragon> @Avolicious ah didnt see the message. Who does? And where can i irc them?
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<ChillerDragon> still cappo?
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<ChillerDragon> still cappo?
Avolicious 2025-03-13 12:13
crack or ahl afaik
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@MilkeeyCat the creator of austral follows me on github
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 12:36
wat's austral?
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😬
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the creator of chidraqul follows me on github
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@MilkeeyCat austral is the only other language with a borrow checker
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but it has linear types
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Austral is a systems programming language designed for simplicity, maintability and security.
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Systems language with linear types and capability-based security. - austral/austral
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 12:39
epyc
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liner refernce
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 13:13
<ChillerDragon> @MilkeeyCat lol
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<ChillerDragon> @Avolicious i cant find them in this discord could you ask them for me? or tell them to email chillerdragon@gmail.com
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Teero
@ahl
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<ChillerDragon> did i get kicked out of kog?
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Avolicious
crack or ahl afaik
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yes he was kicked
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out of point and afk for too long if I remember correctly
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<ChillerDragon> @Avolicious i cant find them in this discord could you ask them for me? or tell them to email chillerdragon@gmail.com
One of the requirement to apply to KoG is to reach the top200 leaderboard, ChillerDragon is currently at 4318 points whereas the top200 is currently at > 11 500 points (and obviously afk for too long)
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ahl
One of the requirement to apply to KoG is to reach the top200 leaderboard, ChillerDragon is currently at 4318 points whereas the top200 is currently at > 11 500 points (and obviously afk for too long)
im sure a lot more people in kog are not top200 anymore xdd
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at some point they were top200
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Teero
im sure a lot more people in kog are not top200 anymore xdd
Yes it's being dealth with
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 13:55
wait whaaa
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only 200 people are allowed in kog?
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KoG is a clan
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its the King of Gores clan after all
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kek
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 13:56
makes cents (edited)
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top 200 is just to apply
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you can be top1 and be rejected
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(which happened many times)
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 13:57
damn
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ahl
(which happened many times)
haha how many times did top1 want to get into kog lmao
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Teero
haha how many times did top1 want to get into kog lmao
you'd be surprised
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almost every top200 players applied over the years
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 13:57
are females subtracted from the top200 count?
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they just forget that being friendly and a nice person is also a requirment
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@Learath2 do u know hwo to tell macos cc to use a dylib in a local directory
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fuck you and your friendliness ahl! DanceDanceDance
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i know in linux u can do
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 13:58
-a ./thing? (edited)
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cc -l:./dylib
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 do u know hwo to tell macos cc to use a dylib in a local directory
At what time? Runtime or compile time?
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but it doesnt work on macos
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meloƞ
fuck you and your friendliness ahl! DanceDanceDance
I should come more often in ddracenetwork server
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cc -l:./myshit.dylib
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I'm not used to see people not in Tee Directory
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idk why it doesnt work
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kog website is too slow to look at any ranks sadly xd
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ahl
I should come more often in ddracenetwork server
i am inevitable, you'll find me everywhere kek
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i can't mute or ban it's weird
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justatest
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with a -L. too
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Jupstar ✪
are females subtracted from the top200 count?
why would they be subtracted ?
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chiller ask about kog in offtopic pls
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ahl
why would they be subtracted ?
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 14:00
bcs they are queens of gores
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Jupstar ✪
bcs they are queens of gores
they have a "Queen of Gores _ is here" when they join
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instead of King
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bluekitty
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this channel is about politics, rust, sometimes C and sometimes ddnet, not kog
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kog out
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Are you looking for something like ld preload?
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ddwhat ?
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no idea what that is
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only kog exist
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Learath2
Are you looking for something like ld preload?
i just want to link a dylib
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Ryozuki
this channel is about politics, rust, sometimes C and sometimes ddnet, not kog
MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 14:01
and compilers -.-
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unameOut="$(uname -s)" case "${unameOut}" in Linux*) libext=so;; Darwin*) libext=dylib;; CYGWIN*) libext=dll;; MINGW*) libext=dll;; MSYS_NT*) libext=dll;; *) libext="so" esac # name without extension, num_iters, input number function bench_program() { local name=$1 local num_iters=$2 local input=$3 echo -e "### ${RED}Benchmarking $name ${NC}" rustc --crate-type=cdylib "$name.rs" -C target-cpu=native -C opt-level=3 -o "${name}_rs.${libext}" > /dev/null 2>&1 cargo r -- build "$name.con" --lib --release cp "$name.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -l:./"${name}"_con.${libext} -o bench_"${name}" ./bench_"${name}" "$num_iters" "$input" }
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im using C to bench a program in my lang
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ahl
only kog exist
Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 14:02
wehn ddnet accounts solve the ukraine russia conflict, will kog switch? because making a kog account takes more time and effort than making ddnet accounts
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IIRC avo said he will only switch if he has full control over it
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works on linux
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or something like that
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not on macos
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meloƞ
IIRC avo said he will only switch if he has full control over it
Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 14:02
that is unfortunate
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i want to play on kog servers
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Solly (bun bun)
wehn ddnet accounts solve the ukraine russia conflict, will kog switch? because making a kog account takes more time and effort than making ddnet accounts
You'd have to ask that to KoG admins, I'm the manager of the clan KoG, managing events and members the rest is not on my end
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ok enough KoG talk in #developer
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yes sir
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 14:03
soreey melon
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unameOut="$(uname -s)" case "${unameOut}" in Linux*) libext=so;; Darwin*) libext=dylib;; CYGWIN*) libext=dll;; MINGW*) libext=dll;; MSYS_NT*) libext=dll;; *) libext="so" esac # name without extension, num_iters, input number function bench_program() { local name=$1 local num_iters=$2 local input=$3 echo -e "### ${RED}Benchmarking $name ${NC}" rustc --crate-type=cdylib "$name.rs" -C target-cpu=native -C opt-level=3 -o "${name}_rs.${libext}" > /dev/null 2>&1 cargo r -- build "$name.con" --lib --release cp "$name.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -l:./"${name}"_con.${libext} -o bench_"${name}" ./bench_"${name}" "$num_iters" "$input" }
Set the install name for your dylib to @rpath/mylibname.dylib using install_name_tool, then link to it with -l @rpath/mylibname.dyliv
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whats this sorcery
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can u give a example
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how to use install_name_tool
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@ahl you would be losing like 50% of kog members if you actually enforced top200 xd
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Ryozuki
can u give a example
Well can you first check what the install name ends up being? Idk what rustc does. Do otool -l ./mylibrary.dylib
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Look for cmd LC_ID_DYLIB
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Teero
@ahl you would be losing like 50% of kog members if you actually enforced top200 xd
let's talk about that in #off-topic
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this channel is not for kog related stuff
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Load command 2 cmd LC_ID_DYLIB cmdsize 48 name factorial_rs.dylib (offset 24)
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ok this is rust one
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the one from my lang is different
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/Users/blabla/Documents/blabla/bench/factorial.dylib
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Ryozuki
/Users/blabla/Documents/blabla/bench/factorial.dylib
ok, this is the issue, on mac libraries can only be linked to using their "install name" if you have an absolute install name, you have to link to the absolute path
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why mine is full path
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xd
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i can change the link behaviour
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Ryozuki
why mine is full path
I'm guessing rustc either has a flag for it or if it doesn't expects you to change it with install_name_tool after
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let args: Vec<_> = { #[cfg(target_os = "macos")] { let mut args = vec![ "-dynamic", "-dylib", "-mllvm", "-L/usr/local/lib", "-L/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/lib", ]; args.extend(objects.iter().map(|x| x.as_str())); args.extend(&["-o", &output_filename, "-lSystem"]); args }
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this is what i do rn
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ok idk why i add mllvm
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Is this calling llvm or sth?
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i removed it
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it does nothing here
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-mllvm is to pass args to llvm
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Whatever this is calling it might have a flag -install_name
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it calls ld
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-install_name name Sets an internal "install path" (LC_ID_DYLIB) in a dynamic library. Any clients linked against the library will record that path as the way dyld should locate this library. If this option is not specified, then the -o path will be used. This option is also called -dylib_install_name for compatibility.
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yep
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ld on macOS should have that flag, pass it and give it a relative path or an rpath relative path
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Try -install_name mylib.dylib first, that should be enough
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(relative install names are not a great idea honestly, you usually want an rpath relative one)
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Or an executable_path relative one if you only want this loaded from right next to the executable
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So something like -install_name @executable_path/libmylib.dylib on the library and link with -L. -lmylib
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People don't like that Mach-O deviated from linux in its linking but I honestly kinda like the way they did it with the special paths @executable_path, @loader_path and @rpath
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mm but rn its not finding the rust one
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Ryozuki
mm but rn its not finding the rust one
wym "the rust one"?
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i have 2 dylibs
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Load command 2 cmd LC_ID_DYLIB cmdsize 48 name factorial_rs.dylib (offset 24)
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Teero
@ahl you would be losing like 50% of kog members if you actually enforced top200 xd
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Ryozuki
mm but rn its not finding the rust one
does it find the "other one" now? and what install name did that one end up getting?
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hmm i prefer to use install name tool here
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dont want to set install name for the compiler itself
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cuz this bench is a niche thing
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Well you can set the install name with install_name_tool -id 'whatever' libmylib.dylib
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ok that sets it but it doesnt find it
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Can you show me the linker line?
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install_name_tool -id "${name}_con.${libext}" "${name}_con.${libext}" cc -march=native -mtune=native bench.c -L . -l:./"${name}_con".${libext} -l:./"${name}"_rs.${libext} -rpath . -o bench_"${name}" (edited)
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without the :./ doesnt work either
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And can you show me the error?
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ill dm u
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@Jupstar ✪ im home
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Teero
@Jupstar ✪ im home
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 14:47
deen_star
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Teero
@Jupstar ✪ im home
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 14:48
I've time in ~15min
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Ryozuki
morning fellas
gm
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Avolicious
I told you already that I don’t know as I am Not Doing Clan related stuff
i think maybe he was asking if you (as mr. KoG) could take a second to maybe find out
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fixed
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C plus Prolog. Contribute to needleful/c_plus_prolog development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Prolog is the only good programming language. I should know, my website is written in Prolog. Unfortunately, C is the only useful programming language. Scientists have been trying to find an answer to this problem for nearly 50 years. Some make their C more like Prolog. Others make their Prolog more like C.
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@Learath2
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I like this guy
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what is this abomination
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:- include(stdio). int func main { puts("Hello, world!"); return 0 }.
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Ewan
i think maybe he was asking if you (as mr. KoG) could take a second to maybe find out
Avolicious 2025-03-13 14:49
I am not Mr. KoG as I am just there to keep the servers running, no clan or player related stuff
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where’s the accountability smh
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int func main { list[int] var my_ints = list[int]:new(17); size_t var size = *(list[int]:capacity(my_ints)); for(int var i = 0; i < size; i += 1) { list[int]:append(my_ints, i*i) }; for(int var i = 0; i < size; i+= 1) { printf("%d squared = %d.\n", i, list[int]:get(my_ints, i)) }; return 0 }.
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just look it up it takes 5 sec
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ChillerDragon: should've asked qshar
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Ryozuki
int func main { list[int] var my_ints = list[int]:new(17); size_t var size = *(list[int]:capacity(my_ints)); for(int var i = 0; i < size; i += 1) { list[int]:append(my_ints, i*i) }; for(int var i = 0; i < size; i+= 1) { printf("%d squared = %d.\n", i, list[int]:get(my_ints, i)) }; return 0 }.
im sorry but that looks horrifying
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sorry. i cant actually do anything you see. it’s not my job you see
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nouis
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my manager just looked at our jira board in a zoom mtg w me bcs i said i couldn’t find anything to do (edited)
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we had one card in the backlog that was already done bcs of the way i originally wrote the thing 😭
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this other company is fucking us so hard we cannot progress
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" i said i couldn’t find anything to do "
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that is ur first mistake
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never do that
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in the job world
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 14:54
I was looking for a memory leak but found out of bounds access feelsbadman
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thats worse
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MilkeeyCat
I was looking for a memory leak but found out of bounds access feelsbadman
ASan support for your language when?
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Ryozuki
" i said i couldn’t find anything to do "
well it was in standup so u get put on the spot
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Learath2
ASan support for your language when?
MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 14:56
it's in ddnet codebase kek
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my language doesn't need tools
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it simply has to compile, it's enough for me
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I basically woke up and looked at the board while everyone else was talking and i just said “ngl im looking at the board and im kinda stumped”
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MilkeeyCat
it's in ddnet codebase kek
sadge
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MilkeeyCat
it simply has to compile, it's enough for me
if it compiles it works
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 14:57
yea
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Ewan
I basically woke up and looked at the board while everyone else was talking and i just said “ngl im looking at the board and im kinda stumped”
i always try to go to the daily meetings ith atleast something done or saying im working on smth
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and if i finished i already know the next thing
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some social engineering
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u don’t understand how behind we are
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i mean u have a great point as well
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but that’s what ive been doing this whole time between now and when they were supposed to have delivered before
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if u have other coworkers that are newer u can word stuff in a way that u let others do the tedious work
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xd
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now we have worked past like every feature we possibly can without having this API functioning
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lmao
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it’s been like over 6 weeks of these ppl dragging their feet
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but in this field, u can extend im working on x for a bit longer than other fields
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because how abstract it is
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no one can measure difficulty exactly
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use that for ur advantage
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unless its p obvious
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but i guess in compiler dev its not
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xd
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yea lol
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it’s not always as simple as we expect here but web dev is very different
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Ryozuki
but i guess in compiler dev its not
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:00
you can say this in compiler dev as well, no?
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i meant in compiler dev it may not be obvious if smth is easy or not
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if ur task is to write a test for X, maybe in web where u have already a big framework for it its obvious its ez and quick
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:01
ah, but this applies to some webdev stuff as well
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Authentication & Authorization for example
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u gotta test on ur smallest measurable components
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testing auth is eh
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my org now requires all commits to be signed with a valid key
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which i already did forever
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Ryozuki
which i already did forever
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:02
It should be enforced everywhere
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it has nice git integration and is built into
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they already went militant with no password auth in cli
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i think enforcing PATs is good enough for most things
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wats PATs
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personal access token, you don’t need strict identity verification for hobby OSS projects on github
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just to make sure that it’s not compromised
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and a token does that fine
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we talking abotu commits tho
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:04
just sign the commit
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anyone can push a commit using ur name and email (edited)
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not if u have identity set up like that is what im saying
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wdym
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how does a personal access token prevent someone forging commits
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if u dont use signatures
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because it’s hopefully a unique token in use on only one device
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i dont mean a commit pushed by u
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Ryozuki
if u dont use signatures
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:05
Do you also Sign-off commits besides of signing them?
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it binds your email/name to ur gh account when you set it up right
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Avolicious
Do you also Sign-off commits besides of signing them?
hmm idk
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I wonder if we should start signing our commits and our releases
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Ryozuki
i dont mean a commit pushed by u
idk
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Ryozuki
hmm idk
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:06
Its basically just used for the linux kernel mostly 😄
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no i dont
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--signoff right?
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:07
yeah
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or -s
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git commit -sS to sign off & sign
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i think u cant set it up automatically
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i mean if it was as simple as i am describing code signing wouldn’t exist so there’s an added guarantee of accountability there, my point is just that it need not be enforced for all users
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A 2-out-of-N signature for the final releases would be a decent idea to defend against a rogue dev or a stolen domain or a hacked server
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Learath2
A 2-out-of-N signature for the final releases would be a decent idea to defend against a rogue dev or a stolen domain or a hacked server
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:09
Using this during the deployment or within the pipeline?
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Avolicious
Using this during the deployment or within the pipeline?
For the final releases that get put on the downloads page
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:10
Ah, yeah makes sense
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and the auto updater can verify these too
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so even if you aren't paying attention you'd be protected a bit (edited)
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:11
But how would you distribute the trusted certificates?
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Avolicious
But how would you distribute the trusted certificates?
Yeah the "bootstrapping problem"
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The client can have the bundle, so after you download it once it's solved. The issue is verifying the original bundle, I guess we can do like debian and on our next meetup cross-sign eachothers keys 😄
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:13
Setting up a legal entity, signing contracts
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Learath2
The client can have the bundle, so after you download it once it's solved. The issue is verifying the original bundle, I guess we can do like debian and on our next meetup cross-sign eachothers keys 😄
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:13
There is a ddnet meetup?
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Avolicious
There is a ddnet meetup?
Was, we discussed many important things
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:14
Or are you talking about the CCC thingy?
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look at this very descriptive graphic
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proper
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Learath2
look at this very descriptive graphic
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:15
Who was part of this meetup? 😄
15:15
Chiller
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 15:15
chiller is in canada
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:15
It was recently?
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ye like a few days ago
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idk if the people who were there want others to know that they were there, idk the rules
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i saw lerato flying
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I was there 😄
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Learath2
idk if the people who were there want others to know that they were there, idk the rules
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:16
I thought it was a meeting 😄
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Avolicious
Who was part of this meetup? 😄
learath, me, robyt, jupstar, zwelf, patiga, metamufin
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heinrich
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can't meeting be secret meeting?
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I guess ryozuki doesn't share the same concern 😄
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i mean ig
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We discussed many important ddnet related things
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TsPiggy
can't meeting be secret meeting?
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:17
Meeting rules are sent upfront, so you know whats the deal
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ops
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Learath2
I guess ryozuki doesn't share the same concern 😄
that's why you let people sign nda
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i mean most ppl know they german knowing we met idk what psyops ppl can do
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justatest
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where was deen
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oh deen too
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deen is very cool person
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are you implying others are not as cool (edited)
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no all are cool tbh, it was rly nice to have a room full of good programmers
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I'm certifiably uncool for being a C enjoyer
15:19
I felt discriminated against the whole time
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lot of rust projects
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 15:19
Previously if you were to change seed property of a layer, 10th element of s_apNames array would be accessed.

Checklist

  • [X] Tested the change ingame
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lot of rust projects
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:19
Nice, so we finally migrate the codebase to rust
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We should also look into code signing for the final releases I guess, maybe that'll help with the windows defender false positives we get from time to time
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well jupstar is on its way
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Learath2
We should also look into code signing for the final releases I guess, maybe that'll help with the windows defender false positives we get from time to time
would it
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the pluggable physics he has is amazing
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wasm physics
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module
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u downlaod the physics from server and get instant free prediction
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you need to sign the binary itself for that to work iirc, with a real cert from a CA
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or u can buy one from azure iirc
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Ewan
would it
they don't really document it, but I bet there is some level of trust factored in
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Ryozuki
u downlaod the physics from server and get instant free prediction
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:21
But then DDNet would step away from Teeworlds, no?
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Ewan
you need to sign the binary itself for that to work iirc, with a real cert from a CA
there is one provider that gives a nice price for open source projects
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:21
I hope AGPL license
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yeah ddnet-rs breaks teeworlds compat
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it also breaks ddnet compat
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@Avolicious it also has rly nice stuff
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like u can see other ppl skin on weapons
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Avolicious
But then DDNet would step away from Teeworlds, no?
It very intentionally breaks all compatibility
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and u keep ur own weapon skin
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if the game can play the same then i dont think anyone will care that much
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and skins can have custom death sounds
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and gun sounds
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etc
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Ewan
if the game can play the same then i dont think anyone will care that much
As long as people port all the mods to it yeah no one should notice even (edited)
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:22
Will there be still custom servers or just ddnet servers then?
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yea it was fun when i messed with it. only thing about it is, lots of edge cases still to be caught all around
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Avolicious
Will there be still custom servers or just ddnet servers then?
That part is completely the same, a masterserver you can list your servers on
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pluggable wasm physics implyes mod compat i think
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Learath2
I'm certifiably uncool for being a C enjoyer
next time i'll support u
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im just amazed @Jupstar ✪ did all this alone
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 15:22
maybe schitzolion will add ddnetdown to it (edited)
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Teero
next time i'll support u
next meetup I'm inviting some old people that can protect the honor of C with me
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@Learath2 dont invite the guy that flames me for using agpl
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Learath2
That part is completely the same, a masterserver you can list your servers on
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:23
Is there any governance planned & released?
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@Tater u coming next time? xd
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i don't think i could learn rust to a degree that i'm comfortable coding anything for ddnet-rs before it releaes (edited)
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@TsPiggy just learn a bit everyday
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just learn as you go xd
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i learnt c++ cuz ddnet (edited)
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Avolicious
Is there any governance planned & released?
For ddnet-rs? Not that far ahead. I'd guess all the same rules from current ddnet would apply
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TsPiggy
i don't think i could learn rust to a degree that i'm comfortable coding anything for ddnet-rs before it releaes (edited)
it’s not implicitly challenging as long as u have google beside you, it literally just takes some time
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i just need to somehow learn how to only compile my rust code less than 10 times for 50 lines of code
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i ported a small cpp project to rust to get a handle on it
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TsPiggy
i just need to somehow learn how to only compile my rust code less than 10 times for 50 lines of code
Your brain needs to tune into the borrow checker frequency
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Learath2
For ddnet-rs? Not that far ahead. I'd guess all the same rules from current ddnet would apply
Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:25
Ah okay
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one thing is maybe accounts are nearer
15:25
we just need QUIC
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plus i don't have anything worth writing in rust other than that one tracker for teeworlds.cn
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heinrich has some stuff nearly done iirc
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maybe godot-rust 1.0 could change it (edited)
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Yeah we figured out that accounts are quite close to actually being done, QUIC mostly works so we just need to motivate heinrich with good vibes to wrap it up
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plus i don't have anything worth writing in rust other than that one tracker for teeworlds.cn
try teehistorian stuff
15:26
its the latest fad
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there is a secret thing in the meeting
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but i wont tell
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cuz its secret
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brownbear
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secretive
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secret thing from the meeting is a secret
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that ryo just ratted everyone out
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where is konsti lately
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TsPiggy
that ryo just ratted everyone out
if i went & wasn’t present for this convo i would probably want ppl to know i was there (edited)
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lmao
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i got DMCAd
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first time?
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actually yes
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lmaoi
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Learath2
We should also look into code signing for the final releases I guess, maybe that'll help with the windows defender false positives we get from time to time
Code signing should help. We could also preemptively upload releases to virustotal and then manually to AV vendors with false positives justatest
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Avolicious 2025-03-13 15:28
But its actually nice that you managed to setup a meeting 😄 & you had a great time (edited)
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Robyt3
Code signing should help. We could also preemptively upload releases to virustotal and then manually to AV vendors with false positives justatest
Not a bad idea actually
15:28
Should I create an issue for it so we can discuss it?
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i was kinda nervous
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xD
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or perhaps maybe there is an issue already
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I remember talking about signing before
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Ryozuki
there is a secret thing in the meeting
AC related?
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@TsPiggy what did u get dmcaed
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TsPiggy
AC related?
ac?
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Ryozuki
@TsPiggy what did u get dmcaed
switch emulator
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Learath2
Should I create an issue for it so we can discuss it?
yeah, sounds good, I don't think we have an issue about making releases more trusted yet
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Ryozuki
ac?
anticheat
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I already deleted & remade my fork of the project based on someone’s gitlab archive but 2020 was fun https://github.com/clownacy/cse2
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nah
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Ryozuki
i was kinda nervous
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 15:29
about what?
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meeting
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xD
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 15:30
lel
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im kinda shy owo
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also i envy u cuz u know german
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i wish i could speak fluidly more
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sux
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lerato haven't read my DM yet
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or did he, haven't been updating my DM tho
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@TsPiggy u never dm me
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feelsbadman
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i still got that domain
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i got a hetzner notice
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for shady stuff
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cuz someone used it with weird stuff
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so i deleted it
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oh well
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learath2 can't even read it now
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whats this project
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Ryozuki
cuz someone used it with weird stuff
was it one of those reflection attacks
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or non ddnet
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Ewan
was it one of those reflection attacks
no, they used the short url on ilegal webs i think
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Ryozuki
whats this project
it's just shazam
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Ryozuki
no, they used the short url on ilegal webs i think
oh is that teel.ink
15:33
makes sense brownbear
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@Ewan how much does a flight from ur place to barcelona cost
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TsPiggy
it's just shazam
for teehistorian
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i am not sure, I would need a passport as well though
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 15:34
This might help with the occasional false positives we get from antiviruses, I looked into a couple providers and the offline offering from Certum seems to be acceptably priced. 70 euros one time for the kit with the smartcard and 30 euros for renewal. They also have a cloud solution for 50 euros, which might be interesting if we want to sign nightlies too, but idk if it's worth. It also adds (albeit not much) a bit of safety that at least guarantees that the release was made by one of us ho...
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does anyone want teel.ink for anything tho
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i still have it and idk what to do with it
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Return Type Notation (RTN) Stabilization Report Stabilization summary This PR stabilizes return-type notation in where clause and item bound position, both in path and associated type bound forms f...
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this is too rust for me to understand
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trait MyTrait { fn foo() -> impl Future<Output = ()>; } fn bar<T>(_: &T) where T: MyTrait, T::foo(..): Send {}
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@Learath2 it fixes the problem of requiring impl Future to always have a Send bound
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u can specify it at the use site
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this is too rust for me to understand
do you still want the invite for the thing i've DMed you or you decided you don't care
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instead of the trait
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we currently lack the ability for users to declare bounds on the anonymous types returned by such functions at the usage site. This is often referred to as the Send bound problem, since it commonly affects futures which may only conditionally be Send depending on the executor that they are involved with. Return type notation gives users an intuitive way to solve this problem.
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this is too rust for me to understand
async-trait crate here always added a +Send bound
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because some executors require Send
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like the work stealing one from tokio
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@Ewan how much does a flight from ur place to barcelona cost
i looked on expedia and anything within the next 4 months is ~$700
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kek
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round trip
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tho there are ways around that like booking for later & not flying directly (edited)
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TsPiggy
do you still want the invite for the thing i've DMed you or you decided you don't care
I do care, idk why I keep forgetting it, my brain doesn't seem to work all that well anymore
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reinvited
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TsPiggy
do you still want the invite for the thing i've DMed you or you decided you don't care
brownbear
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 it fixes the problem of requiring impl Future to always have a Send bound
neat
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TsPiggy
for teehistorian
wtf so you can like, input a demo and itll rummage through the entirety of teehistorian to find a matching demo?
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no comment on that yet
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cuz idk what's the scope for it yet
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A simulator of gravitationally bound systems. Contribute to Canleskis/ephemeris-explorer development by creating an account on GitHub.
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 16:39
<ChillerDragon> @ahl what do you mean by afk? I do still play kog. I have my account migrated since forever. Check my login logs. Does loosing rank 200 really get you kicked? Will the other kog members be kicked too?
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl why was i not informed that i have been kicked? I have been running around with the clantag all the time
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You are welcome to come into my dm’s for a more detailed explanation
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 16:39
<ChillerDragon> @Ryozuki there is no bridge to offtopic
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Why not have a discord account ?
16:40
Feels weird to be discussing KoG related stuff in the wrong channel on the wrong discord
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 16:43
<ChillerDragon> @ahl i am still waiting for kog to add a bridge but yes its a bit weird
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ahl
Why not have a discord account ?
"muh data"
gigachad 3
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 16:44
<ChillerDragon> @ahl lets meet in game?
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I’ll be home in around 30min
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 16:44
<ChillerDragon> oof
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gigachad emoji is so corny
gigachad 1
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in general
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@Teero wtf are you generating in vc i see deepseek in thumbnail
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@Teero wtf are you generating in vc i see deepseek in thumbnail
repetetive code i am generating
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<ChillerDragon> oof
alright I'm online on kog, come
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I don't think my Bluetooth headphones works properly on mobile discord
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justatest
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl lets meet in game?
I won't have time later, come
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he doesnt see replies btw
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ChillerDragon:
17:05
Maybe I should stream my project too so I don't slack
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TsPiggy
I don't think my Bluetooth headphones works properly on mobile discord
how
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Teero
he doesnt see replies btw
he does
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bro he is on irc xd
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louis
how
Idk. I was in vc for awhile I don't think they heard me very well
17:07
i always rage when bluetooth headphones go into call mode
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Or I'm just too quiet cuz mom's asleep
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bro he is on irc xd
he answered back from a message in offtopic tho
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he checks matrix way less than irc.
17:08
That's his personality
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Chillers personality is not using discord
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And being under no roof
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and international drug trafficing or sth
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i wish i could not use discord easily
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I wish I am ballsy enough to troll in vc. Cuz I can't even talk without anxiety creep
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kek
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Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 17:15
17:15
:D
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raylib contribution?!?
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raylib contribution?!?
Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 17:27
yis
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a trivial one
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warning: enumerated mismatch in conditional expression: ‘GuiControlProperty’ vs ‘GuiDefaultProperty’ [-Wenum-compare] 1722 | GetColor(GuiGetStyle(DEFAULT, (state == STATE_DISA...
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-03-13 17:42
@ahl: I said oof because now I’m outside
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I try to find a tw client sec
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"yo bro can i have your phone for a few minutes, i need to have a discussion"
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chillerdragon
I try to find a tw client sec
I'm not online anymore, will be later tonight
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 17:44
<ChillerDragon> ok im here @ahl
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<ChillerDragon> i didnt find u
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl go join SECRET TESTS server pw is 123
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<ChillerDragon> ong omg
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<ChillerDragon> @TsPiggy who else is streaming?
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<ChillerDragon> are you referring to the big streamer age with milkeeycat and jupstar back in 2024?
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<ChillerDragon> or modern melon type shit streaming? or did i miss a new event?
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<ChillerDragon> or modern melon type shit streaming? or did i miss a new event?
WDYM MODERN MELON TYPE SHIT
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VAngy
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 18:09
<ChillerDragon> just trying to figure out how fred suddenly thinks about streaming. What made him think about it.
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he gifted me a sub yesterday!
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 18:19
<ChillerDragon> oh i see
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl go join SECRET TESTS server pw is 123
can't find that server
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Solly (bun bun)
i want to play on kog servers
iMilchshake 2025-03-13 18:25
YES PLS
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl go join SECRET TESTS server pw is 123
I'm there
18:26
not gonna wait forever tho
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 18:27
0222efd Fix game over msg with empty clans. - Jupeyy 3b9a8f4 Add console chain event for reset in local console. - Jupeyy fd70175 Fix offsets for dummy screens - Jupeyy e54a43c Add proper tracking of unpress states for binds (fixes #80) - Jupeyy f55069c Merge pull request #99 from Jupeyy/pr_fix_various_client_bugs - Jupeyy
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 18:37
<ChillerDragon> nice
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl ping me next time im not here
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<ChillerDragon> im there now
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<ChillerDragon> @ahl ping me next time im not here
now
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 18:52
@Robyt3 btw, when only array length is set, it's still possible to initialize less elements: static const char *s_apTest[100] = { "only one element kek", };
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@Robyt3 btw, when only array length is set, it's still possible to initialize less elements: static const char *s_apTest[100] = { "only one element kek", };
hmm, I guess static_asserts are better then
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ahl
he does
he doesn’t, he just has the IRC intuition
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there’s no mechanism to see replies in irc
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you can "ping" him on matrix by typing ChillerDragon or Chiller tho iirc
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 18:56
iirc irc is really cocky
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TsPiggy
I don't think my Bluetooth headphones works properly on mobile discord
it probably wont
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on nixos i have headset unit mode disabled & it’s only a playback sink
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because if it enters duplex mode then it probably will fall back on SBC to get both streams of data where they need to be
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but yeah on phone the only solution i have ever had to shitty headset issues on a phone was buying the headset for the phone (edited)
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need some fancy aptX headphones for androids to do it & AAC for an iPhone
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i’ve also had the mic just not work but that’s all in discord’s domain of control & you can hardly rely on them for literally anything
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a trivial one
uh I have a project build on raylib, can I ask you in the future for issues I experience? 🙈
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<ChillerDragon> @TsPiggy who else is streaming?
teero was streaming in discord vc
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:25
<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ do you still change fng2?
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<ChillerDragon> I had to afk for a while but I did read all your messages @ahl thanks for clarifying sad that there is nothing that can be done. But it all makes sense now.
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<ChillerDragon> I removed the clantag so its official now. https://github.com/ChillerTW/GitSettings/commit/7f1e951811c90aca94fb83abfc5e6610a2fb0406
After all these years I had to find out by browsing the team on the website ._. https://kog.tw/#p=team Seems like the kick reason was skill issues. Which is a fair point. Can not argue with that.
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 19:32
chillerdragon: join DDNet clan xd
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:33
<ChillerDragon> i think i might create a battle fly clan
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<ChillerDragon> something like DragonFlight in memory of the best clan DragonFight
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<ChillerDragon> I was more proud of the KoG clantag than it is cool to admit. And I am sad that it ended like that. But its also cool to be available again for clans.
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<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ do you still change fng2?
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:35
In which sense
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<ChillerDragon> I removed the clantag so its official now. https://github.com/ChillerTW/GitSettings/commit/7f1e951811c90aca94fb83abfc5e6610a2fb0406
that is lame
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 19:35
chillerdragon: just become top200 and ask to join again
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they get to use your dozens of gores maps and you get nothing in return
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not even a notification that you were kicked lol
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kog administration seems severely lacking in the executive department
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:36
<ChillerDragon> @MilkeeyCat i will not go back to kog. First of all i will not reach top200 and i am now too upset to reapply. Getting kicked without being notified after so many years is not nice.
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Added RemoveScore variable to OnWrongSpike to remove points when throwing a tee into the wrong spikes for the current team [x] Tested the change ingame
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MilkeeyCat 2025-03-13 19:37
ye feelsbadman
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this just reinforces my belief. kog sucks
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:37
<ChillerDragon> i dont like having differently called fng configs that do the same thing
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<ChillerDragon> i would send a pr but my last few prs are unresponded to since september
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<ChillerDragon> thats why i ask
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:39
you really made useful prs?
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:39
<ChillerDragon> useful
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<ChillerDragon> justatest
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<ChillerDragon> its me after all
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:39
both to the 0.7 branch
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so useless
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:39
<ChillerDragon> ok if i send a 0.6 pr to rename a config what do you think?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:40
if you also ssh into my vps to fix the configs there
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but i name them false spike quite often
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e.g. sv_team_score_false
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:41
<ChillerDragon> well maybe we should first talk about the naming before we do sshing
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:41
maybe the naming even is from openfng
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can't remember
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:41
<ChillerDragon> do you like the word false?
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<ChillerDragon> to me the word "wrong" sounds more correct but im also not a native
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:42
i dunno, idc ig xD
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:42
<ChillerDragon> no opinion on it at all?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:42
absolutely not (edited)
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:42
<ChillerDragon> because its C++ or because its english?
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<ChillerDragon> or because both sound good to you?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:42
bcs i simply don't care ask chatgpt what the best is
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and take that
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:43
<ChillerDragon> i dont trust chatgpt with that
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:43
I'll post your msg
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and ask if it agrees
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:43
<ChillerDragon> its all flawed
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<ChillerDragon> its a text generation model you can prompt it in any direction
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<ChillerDragon> its not a "good decison making" model
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<ChillerDragon> so you still in 2025 say sv_false_spike_freeze sounds good @Jupstar ✪ ?
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<ChillerDragon> then there is no need for a pr
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<ChillerDragon> then i will simply take the same in ddnet-insta and we match
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:45
false or wrong spike is basically the same for me
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:45
<ChillerDragon> @Ewan help
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:45
incorrect_spikes
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lmao
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:46
<ChillerDragon> if you spike in enemy spikes and get punished with freeze for it how should the config be called that determines the amount of seconds @Ewan
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:46
how about sv_penalty_spike
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:46
<ChillerDragon> is sv_false_spike_freeze and sv_wrong_spike_freeze equally correct?
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<ChillerDragon> sounds like the spike gives a penalty
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:47
bad_spike
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:47
<ChillerDragon> bad bot
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<ChillerDragon> omg he ignores me?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:47
bad bot
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Jupstar ✪
bad bot
:(
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:47
yes
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:47
<ChillerDragon> discrimnation once a again
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:48
true
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you are discriminating yourself
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:48
<ChillerDragon> i rly need a new discord with a bridge to avoid spamming ddnet developer. fng and kog are only borderline on topic
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Jupstar ✪ BOT 2025-03-13 19:49
bad bot
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:49
<ChillerDragon> :(
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:49
honestly just use discord in browser
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even works on phone
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:49
<ChillerDragon> i rather use matrix
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:50
then do that xD
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:50
<ChillerDragon> no its horrible
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:50
then invite everyone you want to talk to to canada
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full cost
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:50
<ChillerDragon> lets solve the fng thing here. Will be quick once ewan is back and i open my own discord this summer!
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<ChillerDragon> jupstar i had nothing booked to spend the night when i arrived you do not want to know how much money that stunt cost me
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<ChillerDragon> also the immigrations lady was giving me a really hard time. They made me wait 4 hours in some room because i had no destination address for them.
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<ChillerDragon> i am full broke now
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<ChillerDragon> jupstar i had nothing booked to spend the night when i arrived you do not want to know how much money that stunt cost me
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:52
you cannot convince me someone wants to travel to canada
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:52
<ChillerDragon> thats what she said
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<ChillerDragon> its cold
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:52
did you visist linus tech tips
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xd
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what are u even doing in canada
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:52
<ChillerDragon> haha not yet
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:53
fighting polar bears?
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 19:53
<ChillerDragon> but i also realized that 2 days ago he here
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<ChillerDragon> i always thought he is in the us somehow
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<ChillerDragon> no polar bears here
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<ChillerDragon> omg where is Ewan
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 19:53
in canada probs
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wow
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montreal is like almost usa
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how boring
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i thought u somewhere in the north
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GitHub BOT 2025-03-13 19:54
33f1592 Add missing tile layer property and asserts for s_apNames arrays - MilkeeyCat 381e9ad Merge pull request #9867 from MilkeeyCat/pr_fix_index_out_of_bounds - Robyt3
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i was in the shower
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whatsup
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 20:06
<ChillerDragon> @Ewan read the log how to name the config and which is better
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what’s a false/wrong spike
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 20:07
<ChillerDragon> i wrote it all omagawd dont make me respam the wall of text
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:07
the imposter spikes
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i see u discussing it but not a description of what the feature actually is
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granted i’m on phone
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:09
a player gets frozen, if he grabbed a frozen opponent into the opponents spikes
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wrong spikes prob
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opposing team spikes
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maybe just sv_opponent_spike_freeze
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:10
xddd now what chiller
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false/wrong isn’t vague bcs of the word, it’s bcs of context
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they’re equally correct imo but when talking about teams i’d tend towards wrong bcs there’s no true team, just the one you’re on
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 20:19
<ChillerDragon> if wrong is only a bit better than false and jupstar doesnt care at all we can also keep it as is and i will use the same name
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<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ or do you feel like changing it?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:21
i still dont care xD
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just name it for your mod as you want
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create an alias if u want to support both
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if u want to pr it, make sure false is nowhere used
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also not in fng.cfg
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and don't expect me to review
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such a cold maintainer
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:44
i think that's a fair trade. i click merge, but chiller has to be careful xd
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anyway i still think opponent is the best word here even if it’s a few more characters
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i would rather have to type 3 more characters and be sure of the function than have ambiguous ones. and since i didn’t immediately understand what the existing cfg item was based off its name, maybe that’s needed
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:46
yes, but the q is if a person that doesn't know it's usage would understand wrong less than opponent
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ig if you really want to make it intuitive you have to use an even longer name
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sv_sacrifised_into_opponent_spikes_penalty_freeze_time_in_seconds (edited)
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Ewan
maybe just sv_opponent_spike_freeze
sv_freeze_actor_on_opponent_spikes_kill
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Oh it’s in seconds? thought it was a bool
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:47
lol
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even worse 😂
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Jupstar ✪
sv_sacrifised_into_opponent_spikes_penalty_freeze_time_in_seconds (edited)
this is literally how i write things out so i see the humor but yes i agree
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just learn to fingers fast
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 20:51
you what
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he fingers fast
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only a 15 minute delay
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Ewan
only a 15 minute delay
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:08
Or you are not as fast as you say 😏
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15 min, no?
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dev chat is getting oddly spicy
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:10
we were talking about fng
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i blame chiller
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im out with the dogs
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Jupstar ✪
we were talking about fng
fng is so fun
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:11
bro you have quite some nice landscape
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mountains
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snow
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colorado is known for this
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it’s just that non americans lump it into USA and stop paying attention
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but yea it’s why i am so conflicted in leaving this place xd
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on one hand my government is functionally shutting itself down, on the other hand it’s work to move
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:12
nature has smth that big cities cannot give you
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i would prob leave the country if i moved
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:13
to where
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canada is a pretty obvious choice
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:13
don't forget to visit chiller
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similar landscapes in the yukon, free healthcare, same timezones
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:14
free healthcare? how does that work
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high taxes
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i’d need to be naturalized or w/e tho
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that’s always more complex than it sounds
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:15
<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ are your configs open source? or how do i do the careful sshing part?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:16
nah just the default config in repo
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:16
<ChillerDragon> do you use defaults?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:16
i dont modify these values somewhere
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:16
<ChillerDragon> gangster
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<ChillerDragon> lemme quote my self
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also strongly considering germany but i fear the americaphobia there would be too much
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it’s a pretty respected place in the u.s.
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Ewan
also strongly considering germany but i fear the americaphobia there would be too much
Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:19
i dont think that is real
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maybe not phobia
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but aversion/prejudice
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:20
in the view of germans only 50% of americans are stupid af, so all fine
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if we could just be rid of the stupid that would be great
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:20
<ChillerDragon> in my bubble americans are welcomed
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<ChillerDragon> we dont bully them
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but we have designed our society to be reliant on them instead of encouraging them to better themselves
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:21
<ChillerDragon> but go to canada instead there you can buy legal weed!
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which is real and possible for the VAST MAJORITY of them
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<ChillerDragon> but go to canada instead there you can buy legal weed!
i am trying to stop weed tho
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it’s making it so i never really get rem sleep
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:21
<ChillerDragon> then go to germany
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never really get to reflect in idle moments
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it’s bad
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:22
<ChillerDragon> germany is goat for healthcare
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almost like it’s a worthy investment or something
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:22
<ChillerDragon> but tbh i have the feeling scandinavian places are the best
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:22
i'd recomment netherlands, sweden or finnland tbh
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they are all pretty modern
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:22
<ChillerDragon> lol josspit same thought
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:23
netherlands is close to germany if you want to visit it
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:23
<ChillerDragon> quitting weed -> netherlands
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cantfindme BOT 2025-03-13 21:23
finland healthcare seems good
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:23
<ChillerDragon> wowo ircer
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:23
and their super markets allow to checkout by yourself xdd
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-03-13 21:24
we have the same in germany
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:24
sometimes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-03-13 21:24
i hate it
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:24
but slowmany always behind
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-03-13 21:24
i pay for the human service!
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:24
well it's better than going to the cash register
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-03-13 21:24
i refuse to feed money to a machine
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computers were a mistake
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i want to hand my physical money to a human hand
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cantfindme BOT 2025-03-13 21:25
i thought all countries had self checkout machines?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:25
the only place i know in my city is rossmann xdd
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:25
<ChillerDragon> how is rossmann not bankrupt yet?
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<ChillerDragon> how did it survive schlecker and tengelmann?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:25
bcs i pay for their service to self checkout
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but you are right
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 21:26
<ChillerDragon> how now we reached offtopic i will go afk sorry #developers
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-03-13 21:26
it's essentially the same
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np good bye
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i rq too
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all seems like a good idea
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when envisioning places to move i have northern Europe in my head in a cluster
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nordics used to be peak now we kinda mid
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or well, Finland and Sweden at least
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i have had self checkout at my grocery store for like 10+ years
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they actually keep the service lanes closed entirely unless there’s super high traffic
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much cheaper to have an idiot watch over & make sure they don’t steal than to have as many people as there are registers on staff, doing somewhat intensive work
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plus ppl are so antisocial now
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Have any of you used Automa before? It's quite cool when you have a batch task in the browser that's annoying to do
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what is it?
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This is my humble bundle redeem script, it goes through all rewards, claims all steam ones, logs failed ones with their reasons
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gives me tables like these
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is it like integration testing with a gui
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Ewan
is it like integration testing with a gui
It's basically autohotkey with access to browser internals, so you can click on stuff by css selectors or xpaths
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You can do stuff like loop through all elements that match a css selector, it can also take screenshots, so you could build a diff based test for your website with it
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Also I have a soft spot for this kind of node based programming, so it's perfect for me 😄
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that is cool
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Assa
uh I have a project build on raylib, can I ask you in the future for issues I experience? 🙈
Solly (bun bun) 2025-03-13 22:34
I mean I guess but I'm not like an expert
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I have somne weird behaviour with DDNet and Windows
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Only when ddnet opened - Some parts of my screen get "frozen" I notice this often in dicrod when i scroll chats. The application is static, I wait a bit and it works again
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 22:37
<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ do you want me to also rename pKiller->m_Stats.m_GrabsFalse to pKiller->m_Stats.m_GrabsWrong?
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Also other applications "Freeze"
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Its kinda getting annoying
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Id appreciate some help
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GPU1 - AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - Primary/Discrete VRAM1 - 16368 MB - GDDR6 2000 MHz Graphics - AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Graphics Manufacturer - Powered by AMD Usable Memory Size - 16368 MB Core Clock - 2015 MHz Memory Type - GDDR6 Memory Clock - 2000 MHz Memory Bit Rate - 16.00 Gbps Total Memory Bandwidth - 512 GByte/s BIOS Part Number - 113-N21XTMS255W_2108 BIOS Version - 020.001.000.071 BIOS Date - 2021/11/19 02:00 Device ID - 73BF Revision ID - C1 Vendor ID - 1002 SubSystem ID - 6701 SubSystem Vendor ID - 1EAE Bus Type - PCI Express 4.0 Current Bus Settings - PCI Express 4.0 x16 Driver Version - 24.30.31.03-250225a-413647C-AMD-Software-Adrenalin-Edition AMD Windows Driver Version - 32.0.13031.3015 Direct3D API Version - 12.2 Vulkan™ API Version - 1.3.302 OpenCL™ API Version - 2.0 OpenGL® API Version - 4.6 Direct3D® Driver Version - 9.17.11.0279 Vulkan™ Driver Version - 2.0.331 OpenCL® Driver Version - 32.0.13031.3015 OpenGL® Driver Version - 25.02.241127_5715cfc 2D Driver Version - 8.1.1.1634 2D Driver File Path - /REGISTRY/MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Control/Class/{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}/0000 UI Version - 2025.0225.0110.2052 AMD Audio Driver Version - 10.0.1.38 Driver Provider - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Windows Edition - Windows 11 Professional (64 bit) Windows Version - 24H2
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my gpu
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And I can tell its ddnet, beceause i have a fresh windows install
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1 hour old (edited)
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Which fullscreen mode are you using? Have you tried a different mode?
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Right now Windowed fullscreen
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I can try a diffrent mode
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Tho idk how to reliably reproduce the issue, it kinda happens random
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ig i can test for a day and see
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Robyt3
Which fullscreen mode are you using? Have you tried a different mode?
ima go sleep now ill test diffrent modes the next day, then i will get back to you
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yeah, try different fullscreen modes and also with Vulkan/OpenGL
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europeans, if u wouldnt mind sharing, what is average cost of living in your areas
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there was a nice website for this but it's probably not super accurate due to all the stuff happening recently
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i dont just wanna poke around random cities idont know on those sites tho
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i looked up some countries of interest and the cost of living calculator made them seem reasonable but that's not reliable data rly
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Cost of living is at least close to reasonable everywhere otherwise people wouldn't be able to live
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not true
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u dont consider things like federally subsidized housing and food
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and consequent ineligibility for those things
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idk why it says "costs are 3,278.2zł without rent" bcs i pay like 1800 for food per month devilered to door
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and avg salary on the website is probably higher than it actually is, because most people work on minimum wage (edited)
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seems affordable
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i know some poles
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worth considering
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I know some poles. Never again. just kidding
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Ewan
seems affordable
if you arent on polish salary/have a good income then yea
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yuea i mean i work fully remote and i know they have european employees
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tho i need to be sure of that
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the working remote laws differ from country to country
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I only know like 2 poles
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risu
Cost of living is at least close to reasonable everywhere otherwise people wouldn't be able to live
not in some big us cities tbf
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louis
not in some big us cities tbf
Living in cities instead of just near them is a bit crazy anywhere, but yeah parts of the US are mind boggling (edited)
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Learath2
This is my humble bundle redeem script, it goes through all rewards, claims all steam ones, logs failed ones with their reasons
Ah another thing this is good for is when you want to automate something but it's too js heavy to do through curl
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-03-13 23:30
Unaffordable
Replying to @Ewan europeans, if u wouldnt mind sharing, what is average cost of living in …
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Ewan
europeans, if u wouldnt mind sharing, what is average cost of living in your areas
What is a good metric for this? Rent is about 700 for a single bedroom in the city here
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Learath2
Ah another thing this is good for is when you want to automate something but it's too js heavy to do through curl
woah..... u have opened my eyes to huge potential
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Learath2
What is a good metric for this? Rent is about 700 for a single bedroom in the city here
700 USD? i was looking for 1 bedrooms (which include living room, kitchen, bathroom, balcony) in the cities near me and it'd be minimum $2000
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Ewan
europeans, if u wouldnt mind sharing, what is average cost of living in your areas
As chiller said. Unaffordable But we both do live close to the most expensive places in Germany feelsbadman
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Ewan
700 USD? i was looking for 1 bedrooms (which include living room, kitchen, bathroom, balcony) in the cities near me and it'd be minimum $2000
EUR, and that's the average, I pay about 600 for mine
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Eh I meant I do, chiller is ofc in Ibiza hahaha (edited)
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Salaries are also accordingly low though, so it's hard to make much sense of "how expensive it is to live"
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Ewan
700 USD? i was looking for 1 bedrooms (which include living room, kitchen, bathroom, balcony) in the cities near me and it'd be minimum $2000
around the cities that minimum turns to ~$1650
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past that it's pretty consistent here
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lots of fast horizontal expansion means all the real estate has similar value bcs it's within highway commuting distance of the city
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The average salary is 1700 a month here in italy e.g.
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Ewan
700 USD? i was looking for 1 bedrooms (which include living room, kitchen, bathroom, balcony) in the cities near me and it'd be minimum $2000
That would be an average 2-3 room apartment with balcony then.. ~1800€ depending on size, 2000€ would be around 120m² (edited)
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So the rent is a little more than one third
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meloƞ
That would be an average 2-3 room apartment with balcony then.. ~1800€ depending on size, 2000€ would be around 120m² (edited)
interesting. im not sure what the conversion rate is rn. all the numbers i said are usd so there's some bias
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meloƞ
That would be an average 2-3 room apartment with balcony then.. ~1800€ depending on size, 2000€ would be around 120m² (edited)
Also depends heavily on the city. In Amsterdam 1800 euros would be barely better than a shed
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Almost 1 to 1 iirc actually
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historically but i wouldn't be surprised if it's diluted now
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meloƞ
Almost 1 to 1 iirc actually
almost always around 1.1
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1.09:1 USD:euro
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Note that I live close to Munich
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Which is.. horrible
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Inside Berlin 1800 would also probably be a shed
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sounds right
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Learath2
Inside Berlin 1800 would also probably be a shed
1800 in Berlin? You're allowed to sleep on the balcony.
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Maybe even use wifi
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(but also the wages are higher in bigger cities, so there is that)
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the apt complexes with the public wifi are the #1 red flag
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Overall, you'll earn much less than you'd earn in the US but last I calculated you should be having a better living with all the amenities the govts here give you and still relatively cheaper other stuffs
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the average salary for a Software Engineer is 6 figures in the US, very much not 6 figures in the EU
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but also a lot of US software engineers live in san fransico where 6 figures gets you a shed and horse manure to eat, so ymmv (edited)
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I make around ~60K€ brutto (without taxes) which is a LOT from what I heard
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burrito?
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I still live paycheck to paycheck tho, don't do adult stuff
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melon u fat
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meloƞ
I make around ~60K€ brutto (without taxes) which is a LOT from what I heard
If I made 60k without taxes in italy that'd be about 3k a month after taxes, I'd live like a king 😛
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In Germany I imagine that 3k would be much meh'er 😄
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but also a lot of US software engineers live in san fransico where 6 figures gets you a shed and horse manure to eat, so ymmv (edited)
yeah, boulder CO is basically that at this point
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everything costs a kidney
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Ewan
yeah, boulder CO is basically that at this point
move to Nashville TN
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Learath2
the average salary for a Software Engineer is 6 figures in the US, very much not 6 figures in the EU
if i can keep get pay raise at my job & still be able to move then i will have no issues
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Yeah I do make around 2.8K per month, -1200 rent and -600 other stuff that I need to exist and boom money gone :(
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Learath2
move to Nashville TN
can't. been there, too humid
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also. trashy
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meloƞ
Yeah I do make around 2.8K per month, -1200 rent and -600 other stuff that I need to exist and boom money gone :(
we make about the same amount. and have about the same cost of living
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that's funny
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my rent will be higher as soon as i move out of this room
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meloƞ
Yeah I do make around 2.8K per month, -1200 rent and -600 other stuff that I need to exist and boom money gone :(
there is 1k missing, where does that 1k go? 😄
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cocaine
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good choice
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Learath2
there is 1k missing, where does that 1k go? 😄
Expenses towards walking younglings and wife + food and some other monthly costs like cocaine and hookers
23:46
But yeah mostly cocaine...
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 23:47
<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ dox
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ws-client3
<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ dox
When drink helles together in Wintergarten?st
23:47
Still waiting for you to come home chiller
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meloƞ
Expenses towards walking younglings and wife + food and some other monthly costs like cocaine and hookers
Pro-tip: Divorce the wife, give away the kids and it's an amazing salary
23:48
I should become a financial advisor
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Learath2
Pro-tip: Divorce the wife, give away the kids and it's an amazing salary
That true
23:48
Can I swing by you for a few months, my mom is gonna kill me if she finds out
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 23:48
<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ omg we rly gotta do
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Learath2
Pro-tip: Divorce the wife, give away the kids and it's an amazing salary
Better yet, sell the kids!
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<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ omg we rly gotta do
No shit, I've been waiting a year for your butt to return
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 23:49
<ChillerDragon> oops
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lol i dont have those issues
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risu
Better yet, sell the kids!
You should join me in my financial consultancy business
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i am a drug addict but i have hardly ever paid a dime
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ws-client3 BOT 2025-03-13 23:49
<ChillerDragon> sus
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i hope the former changes as soon as i have more expenses but u know
23:49
not the latter
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I'm fairly wasteful but my monthly expenses come out to like 1.5k on the average
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Learath2
I'm fairly wasteful but my monthly expenses come out to like 1.5k on the average
That's not to bad tho
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So Italy seems to be far cheaper
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i am as well. i bought $30 worth of protein drinks i hated and then just gave them to my sister instead of returning all but 1 of them (can you even do that at that store? probably not)
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and then bought $50 worth of similar but better ones
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my biggest investment this month was monster Hunter wilds justatest
23:51
70€... Madlads
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I'm also wasting someone elses money, so I could probably fit in a smaller budget if it was my money 😄
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Learath2
I'm also wasting someone elses money, so I could probably fit in a smaller budget if it was my money 😄
brownbear kek
23:51
i'll give MHW a little time...
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go on sale a few times
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get some DLC
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I was going to get MHW but there is no way on earth this ancient PC runs it well
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I need to find a secondhand x570 motherboard somewhere
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Bro is discord on phone leaking memory or what My phone is getting slower and slowe
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How do I debug my phone
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Salut)
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hey
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i intend on buying a better gpu soon. i bought another 3060 and am considering either trading 2 for a better one/selling thme both, or running a windows VM with 1/2 my cores allocated at boot on a tuned KVM host, with 1 GPU each
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it was a really good deal bcs someone i knew was selling it
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then my pc will be unstoppable
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i just bought 3 noctua nf a12x25 fans for my computer
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so i can use it in peace
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Ewan
i intend on buying a better gpu soon. i bought another 3060 and am considering either trading 2 for a better one/selling thme both, or running a windows VM with 1/2 my cores allocated at boot on a tuned KVM host, with 1 GPU each
Sounds hot, why not just GPU passthrough via visualization? I intended to do that but back then I sucked at nix xD Maybe I should try it again.. just unload everything and give it to the next person
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inherent performance loss in any middle layer
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no way to do native passthrough without still disabling the device in some way, iommu not mandatory nowadays but i'd never utilize it otherwise
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Ewan
then my pc will be unstoppable
All this just to run a game where you hammer little balls
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all this while my PC use is trending way downward
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Ewan
i intend on buying a better gpu soon. i bought another 3060 and am considering either trading 2 for a better one/selling thme both, or running a windows VM with 1/2 my cores allocated at boot on a tuned KVM host, with 1 GPU each
I have my eye on intels new gpu, b580
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looks to be at an insane price/performance point and they seem to have figured out drivers mostly
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