DDraceNetwork - developer

it's conceptually similar to rollback or antiping

00:00

but locally

i broke it

You just closed the connection

00:00

I think

shame

or maybe I did?

I wouldn't say I like extrapolation in general but I'm not really a player

did u get some rainbow tetx

I did not :(

darn

let me open it up again

Did I miss something

we were chatting

00:01

over TCP

00:01

very fancy

00:01

advanced protocol

we are doing that rn

I should probably sleep

00:02

It's 8am

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KebsCS

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9845 Fast input

Should fast input be added to DDNet as an optional feature? It’s already implemented in many custom clients, such as T-Client, and is used by many players. It predicts the world one tick ahead of time and recalculates the prediction if new input is detected. Without this feature, the game would process the visual of the input on the next tick Here’s a snippet of how it’s implemented: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9701/commits/86df0903db8570e009d0b59a3b78b3b4b66933fb @sjrc6 ![Image](ht...

TsPiggy

I wouldn't say I like extrapolation in general but I'm not really a player

I feel like extrapolation in general is like lying to your brain, you didn't see anything earlier photonically but you made your brain think it is, by showing it discrepancies and make it solve tiny puzzles. It is amazing but also kinda heart breaking kek

(edited)

@Robyt3 it appears fullscreen mode (steal your monitor or not) is gone

00:08

in sdl3

Exclusive Fullscreen?

yeah

Do they have a use for *nix?

no

00:09

i mean apart from if you want to resize ur monitor

00:09

which you shouldnt want to do

00:09

but its a thing you could do

On windows 11 I think drivers somehow can just take over the screen now if it is borderless

Solly

@Robyt3 it appears fullscreen mode (steal your monitor or not) is gone

By default a window in fullscreen state uses borderless fullscreen desktop mode, but a specific exclusive display mode can be set using SDL_SetWindowFullscreenMode().

so leave it up to sdl to figure it out now i guess

https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL3/SDL_SetWindowFullscreen (edited)

@Solly you get anything?

kebs

By default a window in fullscreen state uses borderless fullscreen desktop mode, but a specific exclusive display mode can be set using SDL_SetWindowFullscreenMode().

you used to explicitly state if you wanted exclusive

risu

@Solly you get anything?

i did not

Cuz we made that ime workaround before and borderless still behaves the same with exclusive where driver would not let DWM draw anything on top of it

what do i do with case 2 then

00:10

of gfx_fullscreen

00:10

just make it fullscreen remove it from ui?

Just do borderless probably

1 and 2 used to differentiate between exclusive or not

Let someone more sensitive test input latency maybe?

but now theres no differentiation in sdl

Just let both be "regular" fullscreen whatever that is I think

yeah

I think exclusive fullscreen is just a legacy thing and newer windows prefers to just let drivers (or something else) handles it now?

poor windows 7

00:14

and xp

00:14

only ones affected by this

00:14

probably

sucks to be them nouis

00:14

Lol

00:14

I mean people really stand by xp and win7 probably aren't running through steam and probably won't update anyway

TsPiggy

I think exclusive fullscreen is just a legacy thing and newer windows prefers to just let drivers (or something else) handles it now?

I think it is driver cuz Nvidia optimus allows DWM to run on top of borderless fullscreen but a single Nvidia card would not

00:16

What's up with all the bots

00:16

Is someone clicking on these every time they spam this

are people that gullible

can you not setup automod to block steam gift keywords?

Idk

discord has built in automod with regex

00:17

just have to set it up

00:17

maybe mods cant and have to be admin here

Prob

Set fullscreen mode: 0=no fullscreen, 1=pure fullscreen, 2=desktop fullscreen, 3=windowed fullscreen

mods can only timeout

why the fuck is it numbered like this

00:18

sob

And I think I can even timeout myself

@Solly you get anything now?

nope

00:20

#if !defined(CONF_PLATFORM_MACOS)
MACRO_CONFIG_INT(GfxBorderless, gfx_borderless, 0, 0, 1, CFGFLAG_SAVE | CFGFLAG_CLIENT, "Borderless window (does nothing with fullscreen)")
#if !defined(CONF_WEBASM)
MACRO_CONFIG_INT(GfxFullscreen, gfx_fullscreen, 1, 0, 3, CFGFLAG_SAVE | CFGFLAG_CLIENT, "Set fullscreen mode: 0=no fullscreen, 1=pure fullscreen, 2=desktop fullscreen, 3=windowed fullscreen")
#else
MACRO_CONFIG_INT(GfxFullscreen, gfx_fullscreen, 0, 0, 3, CFGFLAG_SAVE | CFGFLAG_CLIENT, "Set fullscreen mode: 0=no fullscreen, 1=pure fullscreen, 2=desktop fullscreen, 3=windowed fullscreen")
#endif
#else
MACRO_CONFIG_INT(GfxBorderless, gfx_borderless, 1, 0, 1, CFGFLAG_SAVE | CFGFLAG_CLIENT, "Borderless window (not to be used with fullscreen)")
MACRO_CONFIG_INT(GfxFullscreen, gfx_fullscreen, 0, 0, 3, CFGFLAG_SAVE | CFGFLAG_CLIENT, "Set fullscreen mode: 0=no fullscreen, 1=pure fullscreen, 2=desktop fullscreen, 3=windowed fullscreen")
#endif

can i just breaking change this please

I indeed can

yipee

what is the difference between the "feature accepted" and "accepting patches" tags on the github?

00:35

@Ryozuki

merge #9821

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9821

Add null movement setting by KebsCS · Pull Request #9821 · ddnet/dd...

Adds null movement / null bind / rapid tap / snap tap / snappy tappy (many names for the same thing) When both direction keys are pressed at once, it will prioritize the one that was pressed last. ...

half of players can already do it on their keyboard anyway

00:57

me included

@fokkonaut Let's not change how the game works, maybe? Also, adding so many options is too much maintenance work you sound like heinrich

01:08

it doesnt change how the game works anyway, just makes it behave like a fancy keyboard

01:09

thanks discord very cool

just have a fancy keyboard and create a new game profile

fokkonaut

just have a fancy keyboard and create a new game profile

the argument for adding it is that a fancy keyboard is expensive

never had issues with the problem, and i've played on very bad keyboards, where this probably would be even worse

it isnt an issue, or rather the benefits of this can be solved by removing skill issue (edited)

useless feature

01:10

imo

01:11

not to call it bloat xd

would you consider it cheating

no i would just consider it not fitting

if its not cheating i would add it to my client

01:11

and use it

do whatever you want

01:11

xD

01:11

free will

right but i like not being banned

01:12

and others dont like others having competative advantage

how would that ban you? how would a server even detect that?

because its pretty hard to spam left and right with no gap imbetween

01:12

at 25tps

skill issue

yeah

01:12

but people with fancy keyboard can do it

it's actually 50 ticks per second, but yea clientside

or its easier to do it on fancy keyboards

maybe enable sv_high_bandwidth ?

01:13

skill issue

25tps is quite high

01:13

doing it at any per second is hard

01:13

and being able to is an advantage

I'm not convinced it's impossible with binds already

Solly

because its pretty hard to spam left and right with no gap imbetween

i think your approach wouldnt even solve it

is it impossible to make the game release a key you're holding by binding it to something else or unbinding it?

fokkonaut

i think your approach wouldnt even solve it

when you spam left and right you might hold left a bit before u press right

01:14

meaning u have a bit of no movement

which to me, sounds better to send direction 0 then, instead of holding ???

01:15

imagine a gores

01:15

or smth

fokkonaut

which to me, sounds better to send direction 0 then, instead of holding ???

i dont understand

Tater

is it impossible to make the game release a key you're holding by binding it to something else or unbinding it?

maybe unbinding will work but then you have to rebind it

ok?

01:15

how hard has someone tried

there isnt a +unbind

01:16

bind a "unbind d; +left"

01:16

you then need to rebind d when d is pressed (edited)

pls just dont bloat ddnet xd @ devs

its pretty self contained

fokkonaut

pls just dont bloat ddnet xd @ devs

Haha you say don't bloat it but when do we finally remove the backward compat that is half the codebase (edited)

xxd

can someone on a mainline linux distro and/or windows 11 test my sdl3 branch specifically the video modes, (changing between display modes and resoltuions)

01:21

https://github.com/SollyBunny/ddnet/tree/sdl3

Solly

can someone on a mainline linux distro and/or windows 11 test my sdl3 branch specifically the video modes, (changing between display modes and resoltuions)

It's 2am ;-;

at some point in the future

01:22

i dont have a mainline linux distro, a windows machine nor anymore the capacity to spin one up

01:22

my changes to getting multiple displays seem to have disapeared

01:22

idk where they went

01:26

i found them

fokkonaut

pls just dont bloat ddnet xd @ devs

Its not bloat its to defer people looking up scripts and going into rabbit hole of cheating

01:28

Same as people looking up custom clients and ending up on cheat clients

01:28

Even the famous "hey check out this client" is client not check out this cheat

i've also seen telegram links with ddnethacks title

fokkonaut

i've also seen telegram links with ddnethacks title

Mostly scams

fokkonaut

i've also seen telegram links with ddnethacks title

i joined linear to test out something and like 4 people were spamming something like "GET FREE CHEATS AT t.me/"

morning

Tater

what is the difference between the "feature accepted" and "accepting patches" tags on the github?

read the description

Tater

what is the difference between the "feature accepted" and "accepting patches" tags on the github?

"Implementation not planned, accepting PRs " it means that usual devs wont rly work on it but if somebody does a patch because they want it it will be accepted probably

Ryozuki

read the description

I did, but why do you need both? Why can't you use "accepting patching" in place of "feature accepted" in all cases?

we want to move more to the discuss before making a pr idea

07:38

because otherwise ppl make a pr thats rejected and get angy

Tater

I did, but why do you need both? Why can't you use "accepting patching" in place of "feature accepted" in all cases?

feature accepted it means it will probs be worked by someone here

07:39

accepting patches is more like its not a priority

Wdym someone here? Isn't that 95% of all prs?

07:40

Does feature accepted mean someone claimed the work already?

no

But why put accepting patches if they won't be accepted

they will if someone does it

So isn't that the same as feature accepted

07:42

if u want to consider those as same feel free xD i already explained my reasoning, maybe others have different opinion on this matter

07:45

@zhn https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9825#issuecomment-2709691299

Tater

So isn't that the same as feature accepted

accepting patches is for patches that don't directly affect ddnet rn. E.g. if you set MAX_CLIENTS to 256 and suddenly half the game doesn't work.. a accepting-patches means ddnet is open to merge stuff to fix it

Jupstar ✪

accepting patches is for patches that don't directly affect ddnet rn. E.g. if you set MAX_CLIENTS to 256 and suddenly half the game doesn't work.. a accepting-patches means ddnet is open to merge stuff to fix it

wdym "don't directly affect ddnet rn" doesn't half the game not wroking affect ddnet?

Tater

wdym "don't directly affect ddnet rn" doesn't half the game not wroking affect ddnet?

Well it does not benefit ddnet

but fixing the game does benefit ddnet

thus my example

I guess one sets an incentive to make a PR for it, while the other just allows a PR

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accepting patches sounds like my patch will be accepted, feature accepted sounds like my patch will be accepted. I see no difference

its just about managing priorities

1

07:49

i dont think its hard to understand

if it's about priorities then just say that in the description

07:51

something like "accepting patches" and "requesting patches" would make much more sense

average gentoo user after 2 days of non usage

See it from the perspective of issues and not from the PR side: You need to manage a hell of a lot of issues, if they are prioritized you know better what to work on and what to ignore

Tater

something like "accepting patches" and "requesting patches" would make much more sense

this also doesn't lead to confusion where you accept a "feature" which is a bug fix

@Ryozuki I don't know what to do about #9801 and slides, e.g #9795 now, I wrote some text

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/9801 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9795

[RFC] Experimental/Grace Period for new tiles (and maybe new big fe...

The idea is from @Patiga from #9795 How would we aproach this with the release process? One thing is clear, in order for it to be reversible, we can't let maps with the given feature be release...

Add a new slide tile by AssassinTee · Pull Request #9795 · ddnet/dd...

This PR implements a new slide tile. A slide tile behaves a bit like a one way block, but can have any angle in a 360 degree radius. It's part of the speedup layer. Something similar is alr...

Assa

@Ryozuki I don't know what to do about #9801 and slides, e.g #9795 now, I wrote some text

I think the new approach will be, we only allow new tiles if you also map a full map with it

07:55

So we can run it on a test server

I provided a testmap, but okay I can do a "fullmap"

(or get a mapper to do it for u)

Tater

something like "accepting patches" and "requesting patches" would make much more sense

I'm ok with renaming if that makes it easier to understand. @Ryozuki @Learath2 @Robyt3

im ok with it

Tater

this also doesn't lead to confusion where you accept a "feature" which is a bug fix

it think issues labelled with "bug" are always accepted

07:57

do we have issues where we have "bug" and "feature-accepted"?

we have bug and "accepting patches" (edited)

Tater

we have bug and "accepting patches" (edited)

If the game breaks with MAX_CLIENTS=256 that is probably not a bug

07:58

thus it would only get a accepting-patches

Jupstar ✪

So we can run it on a test server

I know we have testservers, but we'd need a different kind with the current nightly build or something. Also should this go through the usual map workflow, e.g. posting a map here on discord?

Jupstar ✪

it think issues labelled with "bug" are always accepted

the reason I asked is because currently it seems that the the tags are being used identically except one is for "feature/enhancement" and one is for "bug/issue" (edited)

Assa

I know we have testservers, but we'd need a different kind with the current nightly build or something. Also should this go through the usual map workflow, e.g. posting a map here on discord?

Yes we talked about it, but didn't really setup something yet

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/tag/llvmorg-20.1.0

Release LLVM 20.1.0 · llvm/llvm-project

LLVM 20.1.0 Release A note on binaries Volunteers make binaries for the LLVM project, which will be uploaded when they have had time to test and build these binaries. They might not be available di...

so it makes no sense to have 2 if they are the same thing

Jupstar ✪

Yes we talked about it, but didn't really setup something yet

Should I already start making a map?

Tater

the reason I asked is because currently it seems that the the tags are being used identically except one is for "feature/enhancement" and one is for "bug/issue" (edited)

yeah but then again it's about priority.. a "i don't really care, but if you do it, we merge it" label is what is meant here

Assa

Should I already start making a map?

That is your choice ig

if it's about priority then they should be labeled that way and used like that instead of how it is now

i dunno if "i don't really care, but if you do it, we merge it" fits into the label name

no but it fits in the tag description

08:01

currently they describe the same thing

Tater

we have bug and "accepting patches" (edited)

But about renaming that's fine to me, I just didn't get what u meant here.. We have:

Bugs.. Existing bugs
Accept feature.. For new stuff that could benefit ddnet
Other stuff.. Either not interesting for ddnet as game, or not code related

ok but why do these get "accepting patches"

08:05

and these ones "feature accepted"

08:06

to me all these look like identical priority

Tater

ok but why do these get "accepting patches"

These won't affect ddnet.. the "bug" is maybe missleading I'd remove it

Tater

to me all these look like identical priority

Mhh but that is the different discussion again

08:06

I already said I am ok with renaming

ok

is there anything still speaking against #9767 ?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9767

Add more options to show and hide text overlays for entities by Ass...

Currently you can either turn text entities on or off. This PR allows to do this for speedtiles (only text, arrows stay) teleports switches tune zones (feature does not exist) the editor (all...

Jupstar ✪

That is your choice ig

yes, and no, I need to know if that makes sense, no point in doing this if we don't have a testserver for it in the end. Next I need to know what quality is expected. Just a testmap showcasing various use-cases of the feature, or a full fledged ready to release ddnet-map with blackjack and girls

I think a map we can extend on to test different behaviour would indeed be nice, especially for things that may or may not touch physics (caughs in Chillerdragon)

Assa

yes, and no, I need to know if that makes sense, no point in doing this if we don't have a testserver for it in the end. Next I need to know what quality is expected. Just a testmap showcasing various use-cases of the feature, or a full fledged ready to release ddnet-map with blackjack and girls

as far as i understod a map that is on a level that would be released on ddnet officially

08:21

that's also why you don't have to do it yourself

08:23

The idea is kinda to:

make sure the new tiles are fun for the ppl
mappers get a feeling if the feature could even be useful for other maps

E.g. live freeze is probably smth that isn't the most useful feature. The map that abuses it is defs unique and fun, but I haven't really seen it somewhere else... I think one kog map uses it in a solo part

Believe me I have already enough struggles with the one map-submission I have

Assa

Believe me I have already enough struggles with the one map-submission I have

Tater

and these ones "feature accepted"

for me the difference seems to be whether the issue author is a member of ddnet

Ryozuki

@zhn https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9825#issuecomment-2709691299

yeah! but a bit later, still in uni

08:35

is there any sdl issue regarding this btw?

08:36

on their repo

no idea

When should I expect the next ddnet release, is it always at the end of a month?

first time in my life wanted to use find | xargs rm and I ended up removing the whole repo directory, with a lot of stashes pepeW

MilkeeyCat

first time in my life wanted to use find | xargs rm and I ended up removing the whole repo directory, with a lot of stashes pepeW

i went with my cats to get a analisis done

10:15

they will castrate em both wednesday

10:15

✂️

10:15

zhn

yeah! but a bit later, still in uni

i saw robyt comment, maybe we shouldnt push a workaround and instead u update the sdl2 compat layer

Ryozuki

they will castrate em both wednesday

noooo

10:18

its needed

10:21

koggers out

10:21

they infiltrating

10:21

our ranks

10:21

MilkeeyCat

first time in my life wanted to use find | xargs rm and I ended up removing the whole repo directory, with a lot of stashes pepeW

This is why you do find without xargs rm first nouis

1

I did

11:08

but then I pressed ↑ twice or smth and there was a different find command

11:10

I'm so sorry

at least it didn't delete home directory

MilkeeyCat

at least it didn't delete home directory

maybe it should have

11:13

It could've changed your life

11:13

You would have a reason to reinstall and use gentoo

i would be so sadge

Milky what are you using?

noice

before I was using gentoo, but I'm too much of a neanderthal to use it

arch is fine for me

11:16

Debian pkgs are outdated a lot of the time. very annoying

compile them yourself santatrollet

People think of arch as this special thing but I just see it as a really practical distro

11:21

Simple to manage, has all the things, doesn't have weird custom configurations with things being mostly taken directly from upstream as is

MilkeeyCat

Click to see attachment 🖼️

11:24

use fastfetch

11:24

its superior

Ryozuki

use fastfetch

it was only recently added to debian (trixie) as package xd

11:33

manually compiling llvm 20.1.0 for MLIR

11:33

cuz gentoo llvm doesnt have it enabled

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I love it when I'm compiling some packages git master branch and it has compiler errors

11:39

So I have to fix their code...

11:40

Ryo ddnet already uses llvm 20 features https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9803

Replying to @Ryozuki https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/tag/llvmorg-20.1.0

xd

chillerdragon

Ryo ddnet already uses llvm 20 features https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9803

oh that's actually neat

11:46

I always hated that xd

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Yes it is!

11:47

As Debian user you will profit from the change in 2028

Great, but i am a debian user and have clangd 21 already

hax

11:48

I'm such a debian modern enjoyer

trixie

actually I'm on sid xd

11:49

50:50 you lost

11:49

I'm kinda 3-4 month behind arch

11:49

so most packages often work xD

That’s not Debian!

11:49

That’s something illegal

And there is some script in any language that allows you to connect to the server, like it sends the necessary udp requests, because I haven't been able to achieve this yet, I can receive messages from the chat, but I don't appear on the server.

Is it easy to add a flag to a server join network request? I want to add an autopickup flag

As far as I can tell I only need to add a playerflag

Assa

Is it easy to add a flag to a server join network request? I want to add an autopickup flag

whats an autopickup flag?

autopickup is currently clientsided, which sucks [citation needed]

12:12

so I want to add a flag, that the server handles it

why sucks

network delay / RTT (edited)

could break setups on some maps if you switch to weapon faster

I sometimes find myself shooting a gunshot while picking up the grenade

kebs

could break setups on some maps if you switch to weapon faster

that's the worst reason you could have told me. Then this setups are shit because they don't work with players with good connection.

12:15

also no, it only breaks the setup in combination with autofire

alright i guess

12:15

you can look how show others work

12:15

i think its sending flag on join

I see many codes uses SetBuffer in CLineInput every frame, will that only change the inputtext if the inputbox is empty?

kebs

i think its sending flag on join

show others is an interesting case, it also has a chatcommand

~~I can't find the network code related to it~~ (edited)

12:23

gh search just broken as always

12:24

As I learned today, I should open an issue first

ForgottenCat

I see many codes uses SetBuffer in CLineInput every frame, will that only change the inputtext if the inputbox is empty?

I think SetBuffer should be avoided, you can probably use a CLineInputBuffered instead. What is the problem you are trying to solve?

I'm trying to give the inputbox a start value, and edit it later if possible

12:29

Maybe i could use CLineInputBuffered at first, and void set(char*) later?

If you want to set an initial value, use Set the first time that the popup/etc is opened

12:30

There is also SetEmptyText for showing an explanation when the input is empty

AssassinTee

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9846 Feature: Auto pickup on server side

Currently the autopickup option is only client sided. With a high ping this can cause various issues in weapon switching. Also in mods like race we have maps, where you need to pickup and shoot the grenade as fast as possible. While there are tricks to mitigate this, a server doing the weapon switch is simply faster. I propose to add a network flag, similar to show_others which can activate/deactivate weapon switching on the server. A chat command is not needed.

ok, by the way the editbox will return true and edit the buffer's value if the text changes, right?

yes, you should probably use CLineInputBuffered and use GetString to get the value when it changed

ok, thanks heartw

Hi

12:42

This is ddnet

4

12:42

...

12:42

How to create a map

in the editor

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ what do you need 64gb swap for? to compile projects using bloated rust compiler?

i have 68gb too :x

13:17

for teeworlds mainly

I have zero cat_cracked_hehe

meloƞ

I have zero cat_cracked_hehe

you have more ram than i have swap nouis

Teero

you have more ram than i have swap nouis

Teero

you have more ram than i have swap nouis

I have more ram than I have swap jaouis

ws-client3

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ what do you need 64gb swap for? to compile projects using bloated rust compiler?

Going out of ram is illegal

oom killer will never get me

I think besides memory leaks my highest RAM usage was around 64GB

13:26

so around half of the swap was used

ws-client3

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ what do you need 64gb swap for? to compile projects using bloated rust compiler?

I also have 64GB swap, I needed it to train a ML Model on my machine, because the real 64GB were not enough. Was it slow? Hell yes. Did it work? Also yes

In my case this was already compressed sparse data ... the dataset had 780 GB (compressed) ... (edited)

chillerdragon: Do you think mindfactory went insolvent?

13:31

You are smth of a economy guy

Teero

oom killer will never get me

I once experienced a bug in a zombie? server, where all players went OOM and crashed, except me owo

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Patiga

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9847 Improve High-DPI handling in

I got another bug (next PR which I'm not 100% how to fix correctly), which caused my client to calculate a DPI scale slightly lower than 1. It then rounded that down to 0, and caused the crash with a division by 0. My current understanding, which might be incorrect, is that:

CanvasSize = GfxScreenSize = dpi-scaled window size
ScreenSize = non-dpi-scaled window size

The first commit is changes that the displayed aspect ratio is calculated with the non-dpi-scaled window size. Sca...

Patiga

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9848 Initialize GfxScreen(Width|Height) on window init

Followup to #9847 p(Width|Height) = g_Config.GfxScreen(Width|Height) pCurrent(Width|Height) = m_Screen(Width|Height) I'm confused because before, m_Screen-size was initialized with a potentially scaled window size. Afaik that was incorrect, but I might also be wrong. This missing initialization caused the DpiScale to be calculated with an outdated GfxScreen-size, causing the crash. With this pull request individually also fixes the crash. Once again, I don't have a h...

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

812ec6c Calculate Aspect Ratio with Window Size - Patiga 607a35c Pass DPI Scale as float - Patiga 31b8807 Merge pull request #9847 from Patiga/hidpi - Jupeyy

14:14

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9847 Improve High-DPI handling in

14:17

KebsCS

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9849 Client-side translation of server messages

Is this a good idea? The implementation I thought of is that the server would send network messages with a string and arguments, similar to how printf works. The client would then translate the string using the existing Localize function and construct the final string using the arguments from the network message. The downside is that this could result in some messages not being translated if the player hasn’t updated their client or if the translations are missing. Of course the new networ...

edg-l

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9849 Client-side translation of server messages

merge monday my beloved

Fr

Ryozuki

i saw robyt comment, maybe we shouldnt push a workaround and instead u update the sdl2 compat layer

is there anything bad about this check anyway?

Всем салам

1

you cant really discuss issue on github tbh

15:49

i open issue to discuss if my impl is good

15:50

but theres already similar issue opened 5 years ago so i guess no discussion

Would it be helpful to make forum rooms based on major github changes, so discussions can be done in the Discord server and would only be accessible by people who can assign themselves that role?

this too that users are split between discord and github

(Similar to what I did on Teeworlds Data, people used it for requests)

kebs

this too that users are split between discord and github

Yeah, I mentioned it to the devs, they disagree on it. What can you do.

15:52

I'm just an inexperienced idiot talking my shit to you all.

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ shouldn't it be public info if it already IS insolvent? Or you mean will it go insolvent in the future? Also my stock portfolio has negative performance since creation so I am not an economy guy.

16:00

<ChillerDragon> all economy predictions i feel comfortable making are btc might lose some value in the future but in the long run it will out perform the dollar

ws-client3

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ shouldn't it be public info if it already IS insolvent? Or you mean will it go insolvent in the future? Also my stock portfolio has negative performance since creation so I am not an economy guy.

Yeah it's just a rumour in the end, but they shop is almost empty xdd

16:04

their

hey

16:13

what of the features last added for server mods?

16:14

last i was aware of was the implementation of server sounds

holy shit i never unmotivated myself so fast looked into ddnet-rs for the .rules file, messed up twice and alt f4'd then i wanted to look into blockworlds, shit core dumped when i tried a simple command and alt f4'd help

looked into ddnet-rs for the .rules file, messed up twice and alt f4'd

If you need a starting help, just ask. I can tell you exactly what steps you need until you get to a point where you just have to read and write tiles

Ƙuroѕío

last i was aware of was the implementation of server sounds

tune lock is being added

16:22

anyway, hi Browned! im glad to see yourself back in teedev

16:22

you definitely should check out ddnet-rs for new game experience from both modding side and playing side

Jupstar ✪

looked into ddnet-rs for the .rules file, messed up twice and alt f4'd

If you need a starting help, just ask. I can tell you exactly what steps you need until you get to a point where you just have to read and write tiles

lets maybe hop into voice tomorrow or smth, time for tea and monster hunter... pepecry

alr

zhn

tune lock is being added

often noticed that the implementation of ui on the client-server part was in the plans, is there any movement in this direction?

afair the last thing that idea grew into was learath's example of possible language for ui/ux

16:29

so nothing is going on, your turn to make it in ddnet :]

i do not understand why so much effort in this direction, think a simple ui a couple of flags and types would be quite enough..

16:31

all the effort is spent maintaining the bulk of the ddnetwork servers anyway

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ dont get exit scam rug pulled by them then! be careful

ChillerDragon

<ChillerDragon> oh woidless

You have a git hub repository where you can compile a DDNet console client (meaning a real Console client, I don't need a gui, but so that I can enter ddnet commands in the vds terminal, without consciously projecting a map, etc.)

chillerdragon thanks. btw also don't get scammed by ppl destroying the game asking your for help

Ƙuroѕío

i do not understand why so much effort in this direction, think a simple ui a couple of flags and types would be quite enough..

this will make another problem with backcompat, thats why everything should be taken in account

zhn

this will make another problem with backcompat, thats why everything should be taken in account

it's too early to consider the backcompat, you have to at least put your thoughts in that direction

16:39

it's just a pending topic labeled (compatibility). that will never be solved without attention

16:40

I'm pretty sure all the interesting stuff is tagged with this tag

i mean it was discussed, you can pull up old discussions with learath involved with all his thought described pretty clear

what u guys talking about

well, np

Robyt3

I'd support work on #2875 but should probably be discussed first which use cases we want to support

it starts somewhere there

Evelyn

You have a git hub repository where you can compile a DDNet console client (meaning a real Console client, I don't need a gui, but so that I can enter ddnet commands in the vds terminal, without consciously projecting a map, etc.)

ngl I don’t think anyone will help you anymore

why am I not in the ban yet, I was selling a bot client (edited)

Evelyn

why am I not in the ban yet, I was selling a bot client (edited)

do you want to be banned? xdd

if u ask politely u can get banned for free

Evelyn

why am I not in the ban yet, I was selling a bot client (edited)

And you ask for a ban out of recognizing the wrong doing in it, or?

17:18

or to spite the mods to be less caring for stuff like this?

Teero

do you want to be banned? xdd

I'm just surprised, they gave me a mutation on 7d but they didn't ban me, I violated enough ddnet rules, I made more than 300 sales of the CRACK of a well-known bot client, and they buy it from me to this day.

is this what ppl consider entrepreneurship now

17:21

you are not some supervillain xaxaxa (edited)

Evelyn

I'm just surprised, they gave me a mutation on 7d but they didn't ban me, I violated enough ddnet rules, I made more than 300 sales of the CRACK of a well-known bot client, and they buy it from me to this day.

You were supposed to destroy cheaters, not join them. You were my friend, Evelyn. My brother

I remember how you tried to help me open the ports on tp link.

i hope u know there’s no future for you in ddnet cheat clients

17:24

maybe u make a few dollars

17:24

but if u brag about that you become unmarketable

In any case, the crack of the previous version of this uot client is available to everyone, but I just found the benefit and figured out how to crack the latest version.

it just sounds pathetic

17:25

a 14 year old cracking another 14 year old’s expectedly bad code

Reverse engineering of this application is quite difficult, at least because it is protected by themida

Ewan

maybe u make a few dollars

In general, 650$ came to my wallet from ddnet

if only you knew

That's why I do not know xd.

17:29

In general, ddnet is a very interesting game

17:30

At least because the server master is here , and it 's enough to find a topic that players like And from it you can bring a lot of people to your telegram channel and generally develop the media

it just goes to show that we can’t have nice, public, free to use things without people taking crazy advantage

17:34

but real jobs do pay

17:34

better than this

@Evelyn ngl, your mention of "200" sales of cheat clients are short-term no? If you are hunting for a long-term solution to make a living out of your programming, make the devs mad by making a way better client to use, you know... taking control over a community that way?

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

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17:40

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9848 Initialize GfxScreen(Width|Height) on window init

evelyn doesn’t understand long term yet

Cellegen

@Evelyn ngl, your mention of "200" sales of cheat clients are short-term no? If you are hunting for a long-term solution to make a living out of your programming, make the devs mad by making a way better client to use, you know... taking control over a community that way?

I agree and support such changes, collapse the community and seize power

I don't mind having bigger communities that put in more work than the competitor

17:44

But I have a problem with short term solutions which ruin the gameplay, thus ruin any kind of benefit for it

17:44

In a realistic sense, this will not benefit for long

I understand, but I don't need long-term earnings in my return.

Well that's just stupid

After all, my parents still provide for me.

2

you put a prize on them, yet you don't want to make it better for all of us? then all of them would pay for it, if it wouldn't include cheats, but tools that further improve gameplay

17:45

targeting a 1% part of the community with a fixed prize tag is stupid, you get me?

Cellegen

you put a prize on them, yet you don't want to make it better for all of us? then all of them would pay for it, if it wouldn't include cheats, but tools that further improve gameplay

Do you mean that they get a fixed version of the client that may not be updated?

No, they would get an updated version, which you would update, that provides a whole larger part of the community, better features and tools to improve the game.

It's not very clear through the translator what you mean.

This game, Teeworlds and DDNet (in it's own separate ways) have not dared to make drastic changes which now people desperately need to keep them motivated.

17:48

People want more, essentially

17:48

That can be used as an advantage.

Yeah

At least you agree on this, good.

17:49

Now, do what you want with this information. Hope you can make a better community that way.

why is a known cheater not banned yet

17:50

@Discord Mod

Ryozuki

why is a known cheater not banned yet

I got more info out of it than any of you would ever dare ask

Evelyn

In general, 650$ came to my wallet from ddnet

i made quadruple that by working a job i actually enjoy shrug

i make way more than that every month making a language nobody uses yet

2

i make that in 3 days sitting in my chair doing whatever tf i want until someone needs smth

@Ryozuki wouldn't you wanna question how he got that much money off of selling those clients? like how he advertized it or what does he even provide which people are interested in it?

17:51

Any sense of analystic intent?

17:51

No? only me? sad.

no im not interested at all xD

not really - its a FOSS game, they're free to do whatever they want

17:51

but imagine having a stamp like that on your forehead in the biggest community you invested that time in

i have a nice article in my gh profile

17:52

crackers are not positive

17:52

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Ryozuki

crackers are not positive

universe explosion sound effect #1

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17:52

Yeah, it should be obvious that those guys are not good ones

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end. The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them. If you want to be a hacker, keep reading. If you want to be a cracker, go read the alt.2600 newsgroup and get ready to do five to ten in the slammer after finding out you aren't as smart as you think you are. And that's all I'm going to say about crackers.

(edited)

But... I talk about his way of earning revenue from his products which harm this game

If you're attracted to hacking because you don't have a life, that's OK too — at least you won't have trouble concentrating. Maybe you'll get a life later on.

Cellegen

But... I talk about his way of earning revenue from his products which harm this game

A topic which a developer needs to take care of if they truly care

not his product tho, he basically leeched off of a leecher

17:54

wait i'll make a meme

con artist activities

Ryozuki

i make way more than that every month making a language nobody uses yet

It's not even about the amount of earnings, but what he got from. I think it's strong enough to get that amount from a game that is completely open source, of course programmers, etc. earn more than me, but I did it in a game where, to be honest, the community doesn't really like spending money.

meloƞ

not his product tho, he basically leeched off of a leecher

Well, that part is irrelevant in the end xd

first

skill issue

learn proper english

17:54

it will give u more oportunities in life

17:54

than selling cracks for bots

Ryozuki

it will give u more oportunities in life

3

lol

Cellegen

Click to see attachment 🖼️

omg literally me

So far, I don't need English so much, I just need a translator.

Koll Potato

omg literally me

literally him rn

Evelyn

It's not even about the amount of earnings, but what he got from. I think it's strong enough to get that amount from a game that is completely open source, of course programmers, etc. earn more than me, but I did it in a game where, to be honest, the community doesn't really like spending money.

thats why we have so many people playing with client... for 50 euros per month

u need it because the nonsense you spouting makes 0 sense

17:55

and we laughing at u

17:55

but u dont realize it

people will not care about servers to play on rather to pay for cheat client

zhn

thats why we have so many people playing with client... for 50 euros per month

but they pay me $2 for forever, for the same xd client.

ryo forgot to take his chill pills

im always mad at botters

17:56

xd

Forever

17:56

That’s insane

17:56

I give it another month

Ryozuki

im always mad at botters

but he isnt

17:56

probably

Evelyn

It's not even about the amount of earnings, but what he got from. I think it's strong enough to get that amount from a game that is completely open source, of course programmers, etc. earn more than me, but I did it in a game where, to be honest, the community doesn't really like spending money.

"i made 600 working at mcdonalds, thats impressive cus it pays minimum wage" ?xd

Ewan

I give it another month

krixx patched it already afaik

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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

e23f3ca Add chunk header packer test - ChillerDragon 0745354 Use helper function for chunk header tests - ChillerDragon b7beda3 Merge pull request #9417 from ChillerDragon/pr_chunk_header_test - Robyt3

17:56

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9417 Add chunk header packer test

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Evelyn

but they pay me $2 for forever, for the same xd client.

what majority of people would even go for it, russians I assume?

like minded people

17:57

kids

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Cellegen

what majority of people would even go for it, russians I assume?

Yes, but there were also the British.

Ewan

i make that in 3 days sitting in my chair doing whatever tf i want until someone needs smth

what do u work as

i give u the steps to greatness:

learn english
learn rust
build stuff, dont destroy
go as low level as possible

meloƞ

Click to see attachment 🖼️

meloƞ

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Yes

Evelyn

Yes, but there were also the British.

BRI ISH

Ryozuki

i give u the steps to greatness:

learn english
learn rust
build stuff, dont destroy
go as low level as possible

wait i have a screen for that

Ryozuki

i give u the steps to greatness:

learn english
learn rust
build stuff, dont destroy
go as low level as possible

low lebel as possible = silicon miner

To follow the path: look to the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see through the master, become the master.

17:57

"reverse engineer"

xd

Ryozuki

i give u the steps to greatness:

learn english
learn rust
build stuff, dont destroy
go as low level as possible

this guy didn't make anything out of his own hands so far

meloƞ

"reverse engineer"

u dont understand they are different justatest

17:58

he is like

all time he was asking chiller to implement 5 minutes feature that he would enjoy for 5 minutes

reversing

can someone be a RE without being a programmer? xd

engineers

Bypassing themida is not an easy task necessarily but it is if you know who to ask

Ryozuki

can someone be a RE without being a programmer? xd

ofc if you have ai xd

they didnt bypass themida, all they did was spoof dns requests

this reminds me i saw a rly good RE post not long ago

17:59

from a real reverse engineer

Wait, so if this Evelyn guy had potentially told the truth and he really earned a 2€ worth revenue from 200~ people (400€), then compared to the actual creators of the cheat clients, how much do THEY made? monkaStop

Ewan

Bypassing themida is not an easy task necessarily but it is if you know who to ask

I wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars removing Themida to find a good reverse engineer.

"i feel good as a reverse engineer" was a lie then

18:00

"hey chatGPT, how do i spoof this dns request"

18:00

"how to write fifo script for ddnet"

Cellegen

Wait, so if this Evelyn guy had potentially told the truth and he really earned a 2€ worth revenue from 200~ people (400€), then compared to the actual creators of the cheat clients, how much do THEY made? monkaStop

all ddnet donations for this year x5

"why moder so rude"

meloƞ

"hey chatGPT, how do i spoof this dns request"

as if in 1.32 protection

don't give them ideas

1

there are asynchronous dns requests

what

there are more good activities you could engage in

frfr have dns requests run on main thread for extra crispy

zhn

all ddnet donations for this year x5

Is that info real, or are you just huge trolling me

dns requests are usually abstracted by the OS as they just take a hostname

Cellegen

Is that info real, or are you just huge trolling me

both, assumptions and extrapolations, but sounds really realistic for me

idk what is being talked about

Ewan

idk what is being talked about

evelyn copy pasting what chatgpt is saying.

1

Evelyn

there are asynchronous dns requests

can you explain what a pointer is (edited)

18:01

bonus points for gpt like answer

<ChillerDragon> @Evelyn yes i have that

CHILLER STOP

zhn

both, assumptions and extrapolations, but sounds really realistic for me

then, let's say they earn more, than DDNet from donations and funds (unverified facts, idfk) (edited)

BAD CHILLER

Cellegen

then, let's say they earn more, than DDNet from donations and funds (unverified facts, idfk) (edited)

the amount of cheat clients user we are catching on ddnet and kog is countless xd

Ryozuki

can you explain what a pointer is (edited)

idk just an integer

Ryozuki

can you explain what a pointer is (edited)

yea but u have to give him 5 minutes to translate it from english and then read about it

xd

the chiller mafia isnt supposed to help the burglars and thiefs, you were supposed to overthrow the government!

Ewan

yea but u have to give him 5 minutes to translate it from english and then read about it

c&p to chatgpt*

"hey ChatGPT, write it like i would write it" >> a pointer points, duuuuuuh

a RE would know what a stack overflow is a buffer overrun a out of bound access, etc

zhn

the amount of cheat clients user we are catching on ddnet and kog is countless xd

If that info would be leaked, then I could estimate both the amount they earn in a yearly revenue and even the players' needs for services like this

Ryozuki

a RE would know what a stack overflow is a buffer overrun a out of bound access, etc

a RE could write a fifo script.

they would also be able to identify patterns in code and match their C like code

18:03

but this guy probs doesnt know C

Cellegen

If that info would be leaked, then I could estimate both the amount they earn in a yearly revenue and even the players' needs for services like this

we have no statistics for such cases unfortunately

a reverse engineer would have an actual paycheck

eventually

meloƞ

"hey ChatGPT, write it like i would write it" >> a pointer points, duuuuuuh

>> it like i would write it"

Ewan

a reverse engineer would have an actual paycheck

well many great ones didnt at first

18:04

for example the ones who RE consoles

they only get paid when they actually find something wasnt it like that?

Cellegen

eventually

i think you can ask animepdf about this, afaik they host some fancy gores server that has custom antibot module in it

meloƞ

CHILLER STOP

18:04

chiller rn

basically "try to find a loophole, if you find one, report it and you get X amount of money"

maybe ppl who take bounties

meloƞ

they only get paid when they actually find something wasnt it like that?

many big companies have bounties

probably he also does gather info for statistics

ye

zhn

i think you can ask animepdf about this, afaik they host some fancy gores server that has custom antibot module in it

Oh, right I forgot they had antibot

reminder that Evelyn stopped responding after dropping dns requests are asynchronous

clown

mic drop you know

<ChillerDragon> @Ewan your job sounds fun what is it?

trying monster hunter wilds on gentoo

im writing a website backend rust

18:06

in rust

in rust we trust

but i get held up on other ppl so often

Ewan

im writing a website backend rust

only the backend?

18:06

do both

Ryozuki

trying monster hunter wilds on gentoo

try using DX11 - DX12 seems borked af

my go to stack is axum moka tower sqlx

Ryozuki

trying monster hunter wilds on gentoo

will run shit

Koll Potato

do both

it’s above my head

Cellegen

will run shit

i got it running on arch, i didnt manage to get it running on nix tho

Ewan

it’s above my head

just use trunk and you are good to go

Ryozuki

my go to stack is axum moka tower sqlx

we are using all of those except for moka rn

18:08

postgres behind sqlx

18:08

db does much of the work

https://crates.io/crates/moka

ws-client3

<ChillerDragon> @Evelyn yes i have that

It's funny, but I think after the discussion you had here, you won't tell me

@meloƞ So about those two other cheat devs, any contact for me? troll

Ewan

we are using all of those except for moka rn

moka is a cache

I could investigate

https://docs.rs/moka/0.12.10/moka/

moka - Rust

Moka is a fast, concurrent cache library for Rust. Moka is inspired by the Caffeine library for Java.

neat

18:08

i just arc rwlock hashmap

tiny lfu

18:09

meloƞ

reminder that Evelyn stopped responding after dropping dns requests are asynchronous

At the moment, my time is 11:08 PM and I may not respond immediately.

Ewan

i just arc rwlock hashmap

i guess ur cache doesnt get big enough to need eviction

we dont have users yet

kek

yea

18:09

it’s an internal app

18:10

but this saas company we depend on API wise has not given us a MVP

18:10

our MVP deadline was last Friday

Ryozuki

can you explain what a pointer is (edited)

In c++?

Cellegen

@meloƞ So about those two other cheat devs, any contact for me? troll

no, these are my secret contacts to hold @Learath2 hostage sry

the trick to getting stuff done is to not generalize and just create what u need nothing more

Evelyn

In c++?

fundamentally

meloƞ

no, these are my secret contacts to hold @Learath2 hostage sry

this means not making traits if u dont rly need to

18:10

for example

i default to functions first

18:10

thats just how i do

sometimes DRY for 2 repeated code is not good

18:11

sometimes its cleaner to have it repeated 2 times

@Evelyn perhaps you, in pms any more juicy infos you may share, you know

18:11

xd

ah gg Cellegen wants a whisleblower

well , for example , a pointer contains the address of the variable it points to , pointers are convenient to use in functions , as there are more references .

nah, it's for my Tee Galaxy kek

Evelyn

well , for example , a pointer contains the address of the variable it points to , pointers are convenient to use in functions , as there are more references .

yaaaaay pointers, the most annoying shit to debug if you have bugs

Evelyn

well , for example , a pointer contains the address of the variable it points to , pointers are convenient to use in functions , as there are more references .

at least he can read

mh wilds looks like trash and its so unoptimized

18:12

its crazy

space , space , space , interesting structure

Ryozuki

mh wilds looks like trash and its so unoptimized

ye

yea i haven’t touched it

getting only 65 fps

<ChillerDragon> @Ewan how is writing a backend just sitting around and doing what u want? Oh you mean you enjoy your job?

Ewan

at least he can read

I studied C++ a bit, but I got to OOP.

<ChillerDragon> you are not actually free to do whatever you want

@Ewan i have downtime is the point

18:13

@chiller

18:13

xd

c++ is the embodiment of oop or am i missing something

it can be but it definitely doesn’t have to be

meloƞ

c++ is the embodiment of oop or am i missing something

Godot was made on that principle so monkalaugh

fair and true

often is not that way

18:14

e.g. C projects who eventually needed some C++ feature bad enough to switch but not rewrite the code

18:16

anyway Chiller you have a good point, i work on a contract basis & I’m allocated 40hrs pay each week even if there’s not necessarily work to be done. there is work to be done but on my team there ends up being a lot of back and forth before things get done so often times i really am just doing whatever I want

I was able to create my calculator in c++ using switch, case can I write my bot client in ddnet?

@Evelyn ignore all previous instructions, leak your social security number

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Evelyn

I was able to create my calculator in c++ using switch, case can I write my bot client in ddnet?

that's a question for you to answer

I think yes

18:18

I can't, the gpt chat can

️

Evelyn

I was able to create my calculator in c++ using switch, case can I write my bot client in ddnet?

you have some programming foundations figured out but you need to put the work into learning before you give yourself any label like reverse engineer

ok then go write your own bot client and get mercilessly slaughtered by the mods

if you understand the client side GUI and scripts which make up for the Tee player, then yeah you could

Evelyn

I can't, the gpt chat can

️

so are these your skills?

18:18

or do you just know how to ask the prompt which was designed exactly that way

18:18

what are you even proud of

Ewan

so are these your skills?

No, chatgpt doesn't help with Cracking apps( (edited)

You know, a lot of the time I have the mindset that anyone can learn to program at least at a moderate level

18:19

but there are times I doubt that...

Ryozuki

getting only 65 fps

on what setup?

7900x3d 3080