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GitHub BOT 2025-01-06 00:02
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Jupeyy
[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #19 Try to speedup Windows CI with caching
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Jupeyy
[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #18 Disable cursor in emote selection.
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Jupeyy
[ddnet-rs:main] 2 new commits
be84abe Disable cursor in emote selection. - Jupeyy 59ccc4b Merge pull request #18 from Jupeyy/pr_no_mouse_in_emote_selection - Jupeyy
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cyberfighter 2
you can only make updates you dont want?
Hecta 2025-01-06 00:05
not what i meant nouis
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Kicker
Is there toggle on/off for new "zoom copy" when you are spectating someone? its quite annoying to change zoom all the time i start to spec someone and i cant find the cmd. DDNet 18.9 (edited)
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 01:29
there is a toggle in a PR. but that might take longer, we can remove the spec cursor and spec cam feature for 18.9 upon release for now.
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it's either removed or there will be a toggle before release
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Pioooooo 2025-01-06 02:09
what do you think of subprocess in binds
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so we don't have to create many files for toggles
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GitHub BOT 2025-01-06 03:57
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TsFreddie
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9476 Extend name & clan to support 16/12 unicode codepoints
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Tater 2025-01-06 03:58
rip
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Hecta 2025-01-06 04:12
are there any good .HLSL tutorials around? i want to write something for a project i'm doing but have no single clue what anything means
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Ewan 2025-01-06 04:13
what are you writing the shader for
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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d11/d3d11-graphics-reference-d3d11-shader (edited)
Shader Reference (Direct3D 11 Graphics) - Win32 apps
The Direct3D API defines several API elements to help you create and manage programmable shaders. Shaders are executable programs that are programmed exclusively using HLSL.
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wait that sucks
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Ewan
what are you writing the shader for
Hecta 2025-01-06 04:16
There's a cool program, called Tooll3, which is sort of like TouchDesigner, but free and open source. You can literally create your own functions and connect them to make cool visuals. Though what I plan on doing is to try and make a certain type. To make what I want optimally it involves multi-thread computing, and hlsl is the best bet for it
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I don't even know if I'm saying any of this right, or if this is the answer.
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Ewan 2025-01-06 04:16
hlsl is a shader language so you first need to figure out what kind of interface this hlsl is even giving you
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and multi threading is not necessarily made more optimal by hlsl it's just that it's your way of leveraging the gpu so you have hella parallelization
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but if it's i/o bound at all or anything like that then idk
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Hecta
There's a cool program, called Tooll3, which is sort of like TouchDesigner, but free and open source. You can literally create your own functions and connect them to make cool visuals. Though what I plan on doing is to try and make a certain type. To make what I want optimally it involves multi-thread computing, and hlsl is the best bet for it
Tater 2025-01-06 04:48
https://github.com/tooll3/t3/wiki/help.ShaderDevelopmentExample
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Tooll 3 is an open source software to create realtime motion graphics. - tooll3/t3
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Tooll3 supports hlsl compute shaders which I'm assuming is what you want (edited)
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Hecta 2025-01-06 04:49
yeah thats what i want
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hold on lemme send the uh, video of what im doing
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Tater 2025-01-06 04:50
mmm that's nice node spaghetti
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Hecta 2025-01-06 04:51
its all math too! but its math that has to like, store a list and constantly look back and forth
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Tater 2025-01-06 04:52
the main thing you do with compute shaders is turn GPU memory into other kinds of GPU memory
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and you can write to buffers
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so you'd probably want to start backwards and figure out how to do what you want under the constraints of the compute shader (edited)
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Hecta 2025-01-06 04:54
it feels like the completely wrong way to do it, but for context: I'm writing a tool to visualize rounded logos, using circles and lines. I first have to go through all the points, figuring out which tangent line between both circles should be rendered (which is a lot of math), and then I have to draw arcs, connecting one end of one line, to the other end of the previous line, so it looks seamless. The problem with THAT is that right now, I have to do the tangent calculation 3 TIMES in order to get the output, and that's only for one line. It's not only redundant, but also very inefficient to do with this node setup.
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Tater 2025-01-06 04:57
why do you need more performance
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Hecta 2025-01-06 04:59
Because I plan on using it for real-time motion graphics, which will use, presumably around 15 unique shapes.
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Tater 2025-01-06 04:59
are the shapes also procedural
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Hecta
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:00
Well, yeah. Each and every point has its own movement, as shown in this video
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:00
but the shape before the movement
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is that procedural
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you can apply the movement effect for super cheap with a vertex shader
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:01
Oh, let me look that up-
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Ohhhh I was looking at COMPUTE shaders before...!
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Yeah, I should DEFINTELY look into vertex shaders, then.
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:06
I mean compute shaders are kinda like the swiss army knife of shaders, they can do the job of most of the other kinds
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but in this case you only need a vertex shader if you just want to procedurally animate the vertices (edited)
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:09
ohhh my head hurts LOL
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:17
they have a discord btw you can ask in there
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:17
i AM in there
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:17
o ok
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:18
for now i just added a debug mode thats like 3x faster somehow (it barely does any calculations)
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:29
GPU bottleneck, too much data is being fed to the GPU, causing freeziness
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I know it's GPU problem, cuz the calculations are pre-done after the next frame, however data to the GPU are sometimes discarded cuz it cannot be rendered in time
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otherwise, it would look really slow, while also going at 10 fps
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:31
it's probably not a gpu bottleneck
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:31
Well, care to reiterate?
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My first thought was that
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:32
he already explained the reason it's slow is because of the procedural shape generation that needs to be done every frame.
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:32
the calculations are done every frame tho
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:32
the gpu can render about 1000x more triangles than he is showing in the window without issue
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:33
There is one exception where the GPU cannot handle that many
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Hecta 2025-01-06 05:33
computers can generate realistic scenes in realtime im just a dumbass nouis
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Hecta
computers can generate realistic scenes in realtime im just a dumbass nouis
Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:34
Yeah through optimized data caching and optimized compressed data sizes
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it all comes down to how much work the CPU should do and how much data the GPU should have
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the less, the better
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:36
he is using a fully procedural framework to make the graphics, it's not the same as regular scenes that get loaded into memory and renders static triangles
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:37
Does that kind of framework rely on SIMD?
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:38
I did not write it
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but likely not
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Cellegen 2025-01-06 05:38
@Hecta I haven't asked yet, but what have it caused bottleneck?
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if you may have any idea on where went wrong
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the CPU shouldn't be it, cuz the positioning for all of the generative triangles are in place, based on the amount of skipping steps from the next frame rendered
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either the Shader used are insanely unoptimized, or the GPU data feed is larger, than expected
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Tater 2025-01-06 05:42
that's not true at all
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just because the framerate is low does not mean the gpu is bottlenecking
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Cellegen
@Hecta I haven't asked yet, but what have it caused bottleneck?
Hecta 2025-01-06 05:50
i dont know
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GitHub BOT 2025-01-06 07:52
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:16
Why close @eidderFsT
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:18
got other things to do, just bite more than i can chew, it just need some limit and some testing probably. someone can pick it up.
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:19
Mh OK. I think that was actually a useful PR. Saner than our byte limit approach right now
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:21
heinrich had a rather good point that you can fit kind of an entire sentence in 16 chinese codepoints
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:21
ye, that is fair but I already spent way too much time on this so maybe someone can figure out the design. code should still stand if someone wants to takeover.
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Tater
heinrich had a rather good point that you can fit kind of an entire sentence in 16 chinese codepoints
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:21
But does that matter? As long as it's not longer visually
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:22
kinda yeah?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:22
Why
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:22
it's not longer than "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" but only not to that one. (edited)
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:22
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this fits
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:23
And so? You can name yourself a sentence
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I can also make a Latin language that could do that
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If I name myself MF, then you know what I mean
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:24
usually chinese games does have a 2:1 character weighting, chinese are 2, latins are 1
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Jupstar ✪
And so? You can name yourself a sentence
Tater 2025-01-06 08:25
it sorta bypasses the mute feature because we cannot mute usernames
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and you can add clan
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:25
actually that's already a problem anyway
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in chinese
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:25
Yeah but other languages like Russian would profit too
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:25
yeah but it's mitigated by the low charecter count
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:25
not really. you can just use letters and it reads
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:26
I think caring for sentences is over thinning
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Thinking
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:26
GLYWCNMGDSB is a full sentence
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in chinese
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:26
in english I can't think of anything that someone could say to me in 16 charecters that would insult me personally enough to care
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:28
and in chinese you can already do that
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without chinese characters
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and if someone wants to insult you with a full sentence but they can't do it in english. if they do it in chinese you probably can't even tell it is happening.
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anyway, i think heinrich is more worried about infomation density than only insults
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:30
He wants graphemes, but that's not realistic
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:30
isn't chinese graphemes still only one character?
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:30
I was thinking that
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:31
i also doubt heinrich would want english graphemes to reach 16 too
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:31
idk how graphemes fixes anything
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eidderFsT
isn't chinese graphemes still only one character?
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:31
Is it? Are there no like variants in different parts of China or smth? Xd
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:32
chinese is always one character per character. there is no words in chinese. i mean there is but it is not defined
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Is it? Are there no like variants in different parts of China or smth? Xd
Tater 2025-01-06 08:32
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseLanguage/comments/1e4ji8i/what_is_a_grapheme_in_the_context_of_character/
From the ChineseLanguage community on Reddit
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:33
anyway, chinese is pretty solvable just by using the 2:1 weighting
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so if anyone wants to do that they can just add it.
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Tater
idk how graphemes fixes anything
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:33
Well they are the Unicode standard for characters
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:33
but we display unicode
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:33
But many of these letters still have a single Unicode codepoint anyway
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Tater
but we display unicode
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:34
Yes but we could not display emojis
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Not without a custom format
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:34
idk the weighting thing seems fine
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:34
isn't the problem too long? instead of too short? fit 16 unicode graphemes can be longer than 16 codepoints
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ye but utf8 is already similar to the weighting thing for chinese
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eidderFsT
anyway, chinese is pretty solvable just by using the 2:1 weighting
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:35
Yeah but that sounds like u want to parse the content
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:35
going from 5 to 7 is not really anything and i think chinese people can cope with 5
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eidderFsT
ye but utf8 is already similar to the weighting thing for chinese
Tater 2025-01-06 08:35
isn't it 4:1 instead of 2:1?
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eidderFsT
isn't the problem too long? instead of too short? fit 16 unicode graphemes can be longer than 16 codepoints
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:35
Ofc it is
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:35
or no?
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Tater
isn't it 4:1 instead of 2:1?
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:35
3:1 mostly
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some can go up to 4
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but mostly 3
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:35
It's a annoying design imo
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:35
but other languages are hurt more than chinese right?
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like russian?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:36
yes
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but i'm not even russian how am i gonna assess how useful my implementation is
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:36
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Jupstar ✪
Mh OK. I think that was actually a useful PR. Saner than our byte limit approach right now
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:37
Fwiw I vaguely remember the unicode consortium actually suggesting a byte limit
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:37
if cryllics or linguistic people wants to pick up that PR they can do that.
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i don't even remember why i wanted to implement this. it was like 8 years ago when i first complained about it
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Learath2
Fwiw I vaguely remember the unicode consortium actually suggesting a byte limit
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:37
With which reasoning?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:37
i just remembered i wanted it but it seems like a wrong motive
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so i dropped it
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Jupstar ✪
With which reasoning?
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:38
I’ll try to dig it back up
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ХУЙ 2025-01-06 08:39
одааа колобки одаааа
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:40
I mean if traffic is important or similar OK. Utf8 hides this information. But considering a code point is only Max four bytes rn.I dunno
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:40
i made this lol
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:40
Or six bytes
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eidderFsT
i made this lol
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:41
What is that
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In game?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:41
just a website
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heinrich5991
in fact, I think the unicode consortium recommends against the 0.7 approach (edited)
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:42
I guess heinrich never provided a source for it
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:42
He was about graphemes
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:43
0.7 has a codepoint limit, not a grapheme limit
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:43
But again graphemes are a completely different complexity
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Learath2
0.7 has a codepoint limit, not a grapheme limit
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:43
That is what he dislikes
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:44
You think the consortium suggests grapheme limits instead?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:44
Yes
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:44
I don't see why graphemes are significantly better than codepoints
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:44
anyone knows what the white styling is in a <dialog> html element justatest
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Jupstar ✪
Yes
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:44
I doubt that, on the grounds that you and the consortium almost always disagree
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heinrich5991
we could probably have a storage limit and a grapheme limit
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:45
Well he wants both
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:45
what is the motivation for using graphemes?
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Koll Potato 2025-01-06 08:45
hello text encoding wizards
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Tater
what is the motivation for using graphemes?
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:45
Codepoints are not “characters”
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:45
but in which cases does that matter
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:46
There is no intuitive meaning to a “codepoint” especially when combining characters are involved
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:46
i mean graphemes are not "characters" either
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:46
But then again many characters also additionally exist as code point
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Like é
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Single point
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eidderFsT
i mean graphemes are not "characters" either
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:46
They are atleast closer to what a naive person might call a “character”
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eidderFsT
anyone knows what the white styling is in a <dialog> html element justatest
Koll Potato 2025-01-06 08:47
maybe it's the outline on focus?
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:47
codepoints seem very close to me, a naive person
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:47
The problem is simply the complexity of this
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:47
still i think heinrich is more worried about sane limited than graphemes vs codepoints at the end of the PR comments
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:47
You know have literally slices of strings as characters
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eidderFsT
still i think heinrich is more worried about sane limited than graphemes vs codepoints at the end of the PR comments
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:48
I first want to see an actual issue. Rendering is none
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:48
but i do agree if we are sticking to 15 instead of 16, might as well get an additional limit
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cuz it is already complex in that regard
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eidderFsT
but i do agree if we are sticking to 15 instead of 16, might as well get an additional limit
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:49
But here you want complexity again
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:49
i don't
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cuz i ain't making it
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lol
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:49
lol
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:49
or if heinrich could tell me exactly what to do i can probably do it.
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:49
The actual issue is that cyrillic and chinese gets less visible graphemes, right?
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So effectively shorter names
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:50
chinese is 1 charecter per grapheme so they get tons afaik
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Learath2
The actual issue is that cyrillic and chinese gets less visible graphemes, right?
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:50
the pr solves that, the current issue is chinese has too much infomation density to be allowed for 16 chinese characters
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Tater
chinese is 1 charecter per grapheme so they get tons afaik
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:50
It’s many bytes per chinese character, so currently the bytelimit disfavors them
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:50
like the current issue of that PR
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Learath2
It’s many bytes per chinese character, so currently the bytelimit disfavors them
Tater 2025-01-06 08:50
I mean with grapheme limit
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unless you suggest also a byte limit between 16 and 64?
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eidderFsT
the pr solves that, the current issue is chinese has too much infomation density to be allowed for 16 chinese characters
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:51
Hm, is that really that big an issue?
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Learath2
Hm, is that really that big an issue?
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:52
i don't really know, but heinrich want me to think about it and i can't
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too tired
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:52
I’d be more concerned about adding 48 entire bytes to make it work 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:53
What about Turkish btw
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:53
what does the word flock mean in the ddrace team context?
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Learath2
I’d be more concerned about adding 48 entire bytes to make it work 😄
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:53
in networking traffics or something else
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:53
Shouldn't you know
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ChillerDragon
what does the word flock mean in the ddrace team context?
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:53
t0?
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Jupstar ✪
What about Turkish btw
Learath2 2025-01-06 08:53
Our alphabet is just Latin1, so no issue
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Learath2
Our alphabet is just Latin1, so no issue
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:53
Oh k
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:53
whats the reasoning behind naming t0 flock?
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ChillerDragon
whats the reasoning behind naming t0 flock?
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 08:53
Troll
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:53
you can make only 1 t0
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:54
I guess perhaps ğ may be made up of 2 bytes
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:54
seems reasonable to me
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:54
i dont understand the word
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:54
we can't call it team because there is no teamwork
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:54
is it force lock?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:54
it's just flock
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a english word
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:54
flock of birds
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:54
yes
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:54
a
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:54
just like a random group
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of things
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:54
language skill issues
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noun
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Learath2 2025-01-06 08:54
Yeah ğ is from Latin Extended-A
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:54
A tuft, as of fiber or hair.
08:55
Waste wool or cotton used for stuffing furniture and mattresses.
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:55
if you say flock without context I think most english speakers think of birds (edited)
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:55
i see
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i dont speak english
08:55
so its regular t0 or some t0 mode?
08:56
imo that variable/method could use a comment
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:56
i think in kingdom come deliverance i've heard the character saying flock for people
08:56
just regular t0
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:56
I thought it was for t0 mode
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:56
really?
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:56
yea totally not confusing
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:56
i remember seeing the flock word in source code and we didn't have t0mode yet
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maybe they adopted it
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might be both in that case
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:57
Console()->Register("team0mode", "?i['0'|'1']", CFGFLAG_CHAT | CFGFLAG_SERVER, ConTeam0Mode, this, "Toggle team between team 0 and team mode. This mode will make your team behave like team 0.");
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:58
i mean if you are purely coding the enum is just 0
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:58
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/e55cf2967faffa9ab79fc95fa53b870dd4fbc764/src/game/server/teams.h#L104
ddnet/src/game/server/teams.h at e55cf2967faffa9ab79fc95fa53b870dd4...
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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careful why?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 08:59
no idea
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Tater 2025-01-06 08:59
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/5db7748af461e6b414a98438aab63936eaa997d8
Fix ddraggers · ddnet/ddnet@5db7748
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 08:59
i am proper scared now
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warning from 2010
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:00
it got upgraded here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/88b65b6def620a2f5cf576fb16d024113caa4459
Newly joined player should not immediately be subtracted from team ...
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 09:00
@btd why careful
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:01
// Important to only set a new team here, don't remove from an existing // team since a newly joined player does by definition not have an old team // to remove from. Doing so would destroy the count in m_MembersCount.
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 09:01
nice find
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:01
it's in that second commit I linked
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 09:07
btw why is W so wide in our font
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09:08
we do use a ultra compressed font for japanese just to make buttons fit lol
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:13
old but still very funny
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09:13
the biggest nameplate you can make
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 09:15
I did think if english can be that big it wouldn't be a problem as long as the nameplate can't get bigger than english when i made that PR.
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:20
if u ever test ui, use W
09:20
the ultimate weapon
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btw why is W so wide in our font
Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:25
There are much wider characters that would also cause names to be very long if we support many unicode codepoints, e.g. ⸻
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:25
does anyone understand how adding this if causes the assert to stop falsely flagging? (edited)
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does anyone understand how adding this if causes the assert to stop falsely flagging? (edited)
Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:26
The assert fails when the check is false. You excluded the case where the check can be false
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:26
oh it fails on false?
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Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:26
yeah, that's why you see dbg_assert(false, "message") in cases that always fail
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 09:27
that is very true
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:27
xd
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:27
that's so confusing
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this assert doesn't make any sense
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all of the path types are <TYPE_SAVE so they just don't work
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this assert doesn't make any sense
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:31
it doesnt, except whoever did that feared that the text is evaluated directly
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all of the path types are <TYPE_SAVE so they just don't work
Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:31
no, paths 0 and above are the user-defined paths
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negative paths are special values
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I guess it would be more correct to only allow creating folders in TYPE_SAVE though
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:33
ok but CreateFolder calls GetPath after doing an assert which makes it impossible to pass TYPE_ABSOLUTE to it bool CreateFolder(const char *pFoldername, int Type) override { if(Type >= TYPE_SAVE && Type < m_NumPaths) // How does this do anything dbg_assert(Type >= TYPE_SAVE && Type < m_NumPaths, "Type invalid"); char aBuffer[IO_MAX_PATH_LENGTH]; GetPath(Type, pFoldername, aBuffer, sizeof(aBuffer)); bool Success = !fs_makedir(aBuffer); if(!Success) dbg_msg("storage", "failed to create folder: %s", aBuffer); return Success; } const char *GetPath(int Type, const char *pDir, char *pBuffer, unsigned BufferSize) { if(Type == TYPE_ABSOLUTE) { str_copy(pBuffer, pDir, BufferSize); } else { str_format(pBuffer, BufferSize, "%s%s%s", m_aaStoragePaths[Type], !m_aaStoragePaths[Type][0] ? "" : "/", pDir); } return pBuffer; }
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it works fine without the assert
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louis 2025-01-06 09:34
wont the assert just never return false if it is reached
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or did you add that in
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:34
yeah I figured that already
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Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:34
The assert should also allow TYPE_ABSOLUTE maybe, since creating folders in absolute locations might be wanted
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The asserts are there to ensure the functions are not used in an unintended way
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But any other storage type is not supported by the GetPath function
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:35
that's true
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Robyt3 2025-01-06 09:35
If you passed TYPE_ALL is would result in an out-of-bounds access
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it doesnt, except whoever did that feared that the text is evaluated directly
Tater 2025-01-06 09:44
what did you mean by this? what text
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what did you mean by this? what text
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:48
the assert text
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:48
you mean "dbg_assert"?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:49
i guess your question was, what could be reasons a if was added?
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:49
I added the if
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it was me
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:49
😮
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:49
60 seconds before I posted the image lol
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:50
ah yeah
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:50
it never occured to me that the assert fails on false because that seems insane
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 09:50
i think i missread your initial sentence lol
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Tater 2025-01-06 09:52
ah I guess it's called assert because you assert a truth
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ok nvm
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honestly I probably knew that but I was so confused by the fact that TYPE_ABSOLUTE should work that I convinced myself it should fail on true lol
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GLYWCNMGDSB is a full sentence
Pioooooo 2025-01-06 10:56
I'm curious about who is that (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:11
@eidderFsT Btw without discussing it again, I am really just curious about your opinion. Do you think instead of using the zoom level you could also simply use the viewport width & height to calculate the zoom. e.g. let's say you have a viewport of 800x600 and the other player has 1920x1080. Then the client itself can guess based on this info how a zoom level would look like so that you, locally, see at least what the other person sees. 800x600 by default sees more in height, and the local client could adjust for that on 1920x1080
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i hope you understand what i mean
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:12
i don't know really
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there is info available in the server, then i may decide to use that info. that's usually how i do things. probably not a great way to approach making features.
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if you want to implement a viewport based one i don't think i would have a problem with it
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:14
yeah i am just wondering about, if i'd port that feature if i'd use the w&h which is already sent to server rn. And since skeith was about he wants to see what the other sees it would directly also really respect what the other person sees 😄
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if you want to implement a viewport based one i don't think i would have a problem with it
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:14
nah nah, i don't interfer with that feature
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yours works
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it's just a different approach
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:15
i don't know how to calculate that too. that's also a problem
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9485 Move special weapon enums to own file
This would be the third enums.h file I created. There is one for the editor and one for the client and this new one is then for the server. Maybe one day I will also propose to add src/game/enums.h for server and client shared and then it should be enough to cover all cases. The goal here is to make including clea...
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nah nah, i don't interfer with that feature
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:17
ye i'm just saying if anyone decide to do it some other way, i'm willing to work together or just hand it to them. although at this point it is probably too late for me to care about it.
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:18
whaat, you sound so depressed. I think at least for demos this feature is quite cool 😄
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:19
i mean i already poured too much effort into it and i'm a bit tired. if it is early on i could still adapt, but for now i just want to fix bugs
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not like i don't care about the features anymore
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:19
🫠
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:20
if anyone want to nuke it and start over i'm fine with it, it just might be hard to get me motivated enough to figure out all the calculations and stuff all over again. (edited)
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simply put if you have a problem with it like three weeks ago. it can totally be done in respect to viewports
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catxplosion
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:22
3 weeks ago i was tryharding to fix ddnet-rs shit so the release on github is not a total catastrophe xD (edited)
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if anyone want to nuke it and start over i'm fine with it, it just might be hard to get me motivated enough to figure out all the calculations and stuff all over again. (edited)
risu 2025-01-06 11:22
I can help you do the calculations if those are tiring you out
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It is pretty simple geometry...
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 11:23
It seriously shouldn't sound like bitching around. I wanted your opinion since you worked on it and maybe have some ideas I cannot come up with in 5 seconds
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:23
vibe just pr it
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i already switched to working on my websites now. unless it is a bug i probably won't touch it much.
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It seriously shouldn't sound like bitching around. I wanted your opinion since you worked on it and maybe have some ideas I cannot come up with in 5 seconds
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:25
no, i think that is a pretty solid idea.
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risu 2025-01-06 11:25
Love ya Fred deen_star
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:26
plus we got more time i think. i can redo the feature in 19.0 if we removed it from 18.9
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which is the current plan, but i'm not exactly sure how we are doing it yet (edited)
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but maybe not this week
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I can help you do the calculations if those are tiring you out
eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:49
can you do that in ddnet's code btw? i do want to try it.
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is it like unscale the scale factor, fit a rect in another rect then rescale the scale factor?
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risu 2025-01-06 11:51
I'm not aware of the scale factors you're using to begin with, but I'd simply approach it with pen and paper, make a drawing (edited)
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 11:52
i mean ddnet has a resolution scaling that does pretty weird things
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i think
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also show distance is a sent little bit delayed than zoom when zooming in. might be negligible but when people is zooming in with smooth zoom on the spectator will just see a super quick zoom from the furthest to the closest in one step instead of multiple steps.
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we could adjust the send rate on client side for show distance. should be pretty simple
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that's currently the two points i would specifically check if i were to try to implement it that way. (edited)
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dnycam settings should be universal regardless zoom i think? not entirely sure. i could double check that next week.
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we could adjust the send rate on client side for show distance. should be pretty simple
risu 2025-01-06 11:59
Why is it being sent at a fixed rate in the first place? Shouldn't it get sent on change?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 12:00
it is sent on chnage
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but smooth zoom
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prevented it from senting the instant it changes
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risu 2025-01-06 12:00
ah
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 12:00
client need time to fully zoom in to target so it just tell the server that it zoomed a bit later
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the zoom info for telecursor is sent as soon as it changes
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we can just make client send it a bit more frequent rather than when the smoothing completely stops, which can take quite a while if you zoom multiple steps in
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risu 2025-01-06 12:01
I just learned about cl_limit_max_zoom_level hehe
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wait what I've been lied to setting it to 0 I'm still limited
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I guess it's about zooming out instead of in?
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 12:03
there is a min one
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i think
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ah apparently not
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why do you want to zoom all the way in tho
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risu 2025-01-06 12:08
funny
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eidderFsT 2025-01-06 12:11
this is a no funny zone
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Тот самий чел из 'Сияния' 2025-01-06 12:13
@murpi
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how to apeal
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Skeith 2025-01-06 12:13
#✉-create-a-ticket
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 13:46
wtf xD for whatever reason i upstreamed a ultra hd version of dm1 on ddnet-rs. Where do I even have that from lol
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 13:46
justatest
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs-misc] Pull request opened: #3 Rename server binary to "server"
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #20 Add exec & load for command line parsing in server.
Rename server-bin to server.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs-data] Pull request opened: #1 Fix dm1, dilate all resources (with new dilate that creates black bg)
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 14:38
btw whoever owns the gh tool can also disable the log if thats too spammy
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #21 Add logging to map-convert tool. Update data dir
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #22 Fix Windows CI cache path
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louis 2025-01-06 14:53
does every ddnet feature have to have backwards compatibility? is there a day i can look forward to where updates are forced
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 14:55
you could contribute to twgame, so ddnet-rs has ddnet physics support 😏
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yeah yeah i stop xD
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louis 2025-01-06 14:56
idk rust
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 14:57
I also didn't know 2 years ago
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 14:57
Jupstar imo if you start to use repository prefixes what you probably want is a Organisation
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Jupstar imo if you start to use repository prefixes what you probably want is a Organisation
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 14:57
I asked admin whether I should contribute it to ddnet org
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also these prefixes are invisible to the main repo, since you can name submodules as u want
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 14:59
Yea I also liked ddnet-rs in ddnet but if you need multiple repos it will be harder for the user to browse the org if some are c++ and some are rust
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 14:59
i think that is kinda a non issue tbh
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most ppl land on github.com/ddnet/ddnet
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or github.com/ddnet/ddnet-rs
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or do you often casually drop on ddnet-scripts
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xD
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i mean you
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OFC
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xD
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #21 Add logging to map-convert tool. Update data dir
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hehe
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #23 Vulkan pipeline cache must use the cache file system too.
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PanWór 2025-01-06 15:58
Hi, there has probably been a question like this before, but will there ever be a translation of the website itself? I'm not talking about the wiki or the client, but DDNet website.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #24 Fix data dir
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Hi, there has probably been a question like this before, but will there ever be a translation of the website itself? I'm not talking about the wiki or the client, but DDNet website.
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 16:00
nothing like that is planned
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the website would require quite a bit of rewrite
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you can usually also translate websites using a translator
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843207 2025-01-06 16:01
Why there is no translation for ddnet in-game chat?
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 16:02
Because using translation apis costs money
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dwarvenstein BOT 2025-01-06 16:02
what question is that lol
Replying to @843207 Why there is no translation for ddnet in-game chat?
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how many games u have seen with such a feature
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you can usually also translate websites using a translator
PanWór 2025-01-06 16:03
No no, I understand English and have no problem with it. But I'm just translating the wiki into Polish at the moment, and I was wondering that it would be interesting to translate the website as well.
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No no, I understand English and have no problem with it. But I'm just translating the wiki into Polish at the moment, and I was wondering that it would be interesting to translate the website as well.
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 16:03
I see, the website is pretty old and not really designed for multi languages ^^
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PanWór 2025-01-06 16:04
Alright cool, thanks for the answer
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how many games u have seen with such a feature
PanWór 2025-01-06 16:04
roblox heh
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I can't think of any other game
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dwarvenstein BOT 2025-01-06 16:06
well its really useless
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just learn a language
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way easier
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #24 Use cp in Windows CI
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Why there is no translation for ddnet in-game chat?
deen 2025-01-06 16:41
you might be able to use an open llm and include it in the client to do translations on device
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Robyt3 2025-01-06 16:56
@deen Can you give @Jupstar ✪ or me access to the ddnet-rs* repos so we can change the settings?
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #23 Vulkan pipeline cache must use the cache file system too.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #25 Fix div & mul swapped in editor
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #26 Improve legacy to new output by using hashes, and not converting embedded images to png twice.
Thanks to the hashes this also fixes a bug with a map where a name collision happened. Also improve the auto naming a bit
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #25 Fix div & mul swapped in editor
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 18:30
freddie you did the whole cursor thing right?
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its crazy seeing ppl use dyn cam
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dude ctf/ictf pros kept talking about seeing dyn cam in spec and demos in 2017 i remember they finally got what they asked for
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #27 Add server to CI & artifacts
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ChillerDragon BOT 2025-01-06 18:33
feels like having your pc remote controlled i keep thinking i am in game right now
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 18:50
@Jupstar ✪ increase merge queue timer or something kekw - damn spammer (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 18:51
if there would be a merge queue i could stop hving to look at github all the time
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and would spam even more
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lol
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 18:51
by the way - for modding upstream changes to vanilla code (exposing things to/as functions and whatnot) are generally accepted, but not the modding code itself - did i get that right? (edited)
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by the way - for modding upstream changes to vanilla code (exposing things to/as functions and whatnot) are generally accepted, but not the modding code itself - did i get that right? (edited)
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 18:52
yes that would be the idea of the patching approach
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well depends on how much it bloats the code ig
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but tbh, i don't find my vanilla code that good xD
18:52
it's kinda hacked in whenever i was not demotivated
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 18:52
kek - i brainstormed about both zombies and battlefield, and atleast for battlefield i think i would need to change quite a bit
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 18:53
you can also mix patch changes with vanilla crate changes.. that's what i did too kind
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then u can see how far u get
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 18:53
yee - for now i'll do my changes upstream and decide on the get go then i guess
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then i'll see if ddnet-rs is worthy of my rust code (it's worse than gerdoes in terms of readability) (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 18:54
but arcti smth also made a fair point. rebasing is probs not lot harder anyway
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 18:57
i like the moddability aspect, if one person exposes type X for mod X properly upstream a second person can use type X for mod Y more easily (edited)
18:57
can't wait for the first p2w city mod in ddnet-rs kekw
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #27 Add server to CI & artifacts
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #28 Add a explicit toggle_dummy command, which does not take an index.
Also fix the dummies binds not updated if already connected
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 19:22
dude makes PR, immediatly adds it to queue, queue pops and adds it, makes PR again
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KEKhands
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #29 Remove unwrap during config load.
Not having a config is allowed now.
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Koll Potato 2025-01-06 19:28
whole pr for a single commit
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poor github actions
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #29 Remove unwrap during config load.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #28 Add a explicit toggle_dummy command, which does not take an index.
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dude makes PR, immediatly adds it to queue, queue pops and adds it, makes PR again
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 19:53
yes but now i am sad, bcs i found yet another bug in a dep xd
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i hate bug reporting
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so many oss maintainers don't even try when i tell them how to 100% reproduce the issue xD
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:19
dude this is so fun
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its so broken and barren
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:22
vanilla has no freeze
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dude this is so fun
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:24
the cry 😂
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that's indeed funniest
20:24
such a noby feature
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:25
i am 100% sure its because theres no cooldown
20:26
oh yea you still cant bind wheel_up and wheel_down to anything yet
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oh yea you still cant bind wheel_up and wheel_down to anything yet
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:33
give an example
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weapon swtich is bound to it
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you might be able to use an open llm and include it in the client to do translations on device
843207 2025-01-06 20:34
Yeah I know, it wouldn't be a problem to add
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But why it is not there yet?
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Is there any reason?
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weapon swtich is bound to it
Hecta 2025-01-06 20:35
when i try to change it it just doesnt recognise my scroll wheel
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when i try to change it it just doesnt recognise my scroll wheel
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:35
change what
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^
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^^
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:36
are you a cop
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i was trying to change my weapon switch control
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:36
wtf is that dude xD
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:36
oh my fucking god
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Is there any reason?
meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:37
firstly: performance - having to run an LLM to work on all our servers is costly in terms of hardware, storage and bandwidth secondly: money - just using a barebones LLM is not only bad, but unusable for most languages, so we'd need a good model specifically designed for that, which are often pricy aswell. third reason: there are/were clients which had ingame translations, they were bad because they used a free translation API. the good ones (e.g deepl) cost a lot of money and are bound to some restriction (e.g a million tokens a month) - which would fill up within ~5 minutes if ran on all servers (edited)
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:37
this shit
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i was trying to change these
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:42
u mean the UI does not regocnize the wheel
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that's true
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use f1 xd
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:42
ok programmer
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firstly: performance - having to run an LLM to work on all our servers is costly in terms of hardware, storage and bandwidth secondly: money - just using a barebones LLM is not only bad, but unusable for most languages, so we'd need a good model specifically designed for that, which are often pricy aswell. third reason: there are/were clients which had ingame translations, they were bad because they used a free translation API. the good ones (e.g deepl) cost a lot of money and are bound to some restriction (e.g a million tokens a month) - which would fill up within ~5 minutes if ran on all servers (edited)
843207 2025-01-06 20:44
I meant more like local, maybe even offline translating lib
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Tater 2025-01-06 20:44
solly was working on implementing libretranslate into tclient
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843207 2025-01-06 20:44
Does not have to be deepl quality, but just to translate so you could figure out what that means
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:44
oh yea i cant build ddnet-rs on my pc because "is cmake not installed?" (it is but i think its on a different drive so)
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:44
i tried libretranslate and almost puked when translating german to english/japanese
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Tater 2025-01-06 20:44
japanese is hard
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ok programmer
risu 2025-01-06 20:45
ok but all the real ones use console for every bind
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:45
ok but i dont care
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risu 2025-01-06 20:45
like genuinely it has been months since I opened the keybinds panel
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like genuinely it has been months since I opened the keybinds panel
meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:45
i use the keybinds panel often whatahell
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Tater 2025-01-06 20:45
but users could pay and provide their own api key
20:45
for a better service
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:45
if you're gonna have a keybinds panel, rather have it work or just remove it
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i use the keybinds panel often whatahell
risu 2025-01-06 20:45
But why? Aren't all your common normal binds basically the same all the time?
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but users could pay and provide their own api key
meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:45
ah well that's good yea - i intended to add that to my dd-launcher project using google/deepl translate
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ok programmer
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:45
i added to list, but that settings page is not important to me rn 😄
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risu 2025-01-06 20:46
I rarely change anything but somewhat special binds anyways, so F1 is the default for me
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But why? Aren't all your common normal binds basically the same all the time?
meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:46
zoom in zoom out and normal zoom are mousewheel in out and b - having to do that over f1 is annoying, so i just use the settings tab
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:46
well im gonna see what i can do but uighhh
20:47
audiopus_sys v0.2.2 wont workkkkk
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:48
u want to self compile?
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Hecta 2025-01-06 20:48
yeah i forked it
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:48
try to add --no-default-features
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i can't get this to work on msvc
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only mingw
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:48
yeah windows do be like that - it works without on GNU, but msvc is finnicky (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 20:49
the stupid c deps 😬
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sadly there is no pure rust opus enc&decoder
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ah well that's good yea - i intended to add that to my dd-launcher project using google/deepl translate
843207 2025-01-06 20:51
Its some option too, I believe basic tranation is achievable offline though
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meloƞ 2025-01-06 20:52
yeah - but i'd personally dislike some almost unusable translator integrated. someone once wrote a good python script that works via FIFO that just pulls chat messages, sends them through an API (iirc it was deepl or google) and pipes them back using echo's (edited)
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MilkeeyCat 2025-01-06 20:55
@Robyt3 Am I doing something wrong? D:
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 20:55
The in game chat is super repetitive. You basically only need a hand full of key words to follow most conversations.
20:56
Just learn the most used words in the language you need or even let your client do the hardcodet translation of them and you can understand a lot.
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Things like: back, help, freeze, block, grenade, rifle, hammer, hammer fly, hook fly and so on
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Things like: back, help, freeze, block, grenade, rifle, hammer, hammer fly, hook fly and so on
risu 2025-01-06 20:58
Things like: idiot, you asshole, kill yourself, etc.
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 20:58
Yes lots of insults. But not knowing them you don’t miss much tbh
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@Robyt3 Am I doing something wrong? D:
risu 2025-01-06 20:59
Nice bg music fun how instantly recognizable that band is
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:00
I learned the Cyrillic alphabet for reading the teeworlds chat and it works surprisingly well. It’s basically all the English gaming words just literally typed out in Cyrillic.
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risu 2025-01-06 21:01
yeah simply knowing cyrillic helps me a lot
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Hecta 2025-01-06 21:01
oh. oh yeah thats why i hate rust.
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MilkeeyCat 2025-01-06 21:02
because of your inline type hints?
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risu 2025-01-06 21:02
I always do a double take when someone doesn't understand something simple written in cyrillic
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Hecta 2025-01-06 21:02
wait those are hints?
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ok i need to remember why i wanted to make a branch in the first place
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:03
What’s a „double take“ ?
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A delayed reaction to an unusual remark or circumstance, often used as a comic device
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Hecta 2025-01-06 21:04
im gonna do a troll pr
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MilkeeyCat 2025-01-06 21:04
🧌
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A delayed reaction to an unusual remark or circumstance, often used as a comic device
risu 2025-01-06 21:05
Yeah I actually didn't know the definition so I used it a bit wrong
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:06
Definitions are cursed
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The first one never fits
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #30 Also ignore .vs for any commit
You're able to clone the repository through Visual Studio, but the files created during it are left unchecked. Not the ideal way to clone this repository, but it's just an extra step of cleanliness.
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risu 2025-01-06 21:06
but yeah my immediate reaction is "of course you can read that" and it takes my brain a second to process that most people in fact can not read cyrillic (edited)
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:07
Im still proud every time I decipher successfully that some 12 yo tiktok enjoyer accused me of botting in Russian (edited)
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risu 2025-01-06 21:07
a lot of people around me IRL know how to read cyrillic, hence my delusion
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:08
How did that happen?
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Where do you live?
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risu 2025-01-06 21:08
Southeast Finland
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:08
How is Cyrillic a thing there?
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risu 2025-01-06 21:08
home town is 69km from the Russian border crossing
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by road
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:09
And the letters leak over the border or what?
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risu 2025-01-06 21:09
I studied Russian in school, some friends did too, my mother is Russian (edited)
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:09
Do you have Cyrillic signs or lots of Russian speaking people around?
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risu 2025-01-06 21:09
and yeah we have some Cyrillic signage around there
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:10
Nice
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risu 2025-01-06 21:11
so my entire immediate family can read cyrillic, as can some of my old school friends
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and it's not all that uncommon among educated eastern Finnish people in general, since it's such an easy thing to learn
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chillerdragon BOT 2025-01-06 21:11
Leak
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risu 2025-01-06 21:13
And you'd expect a lot of math nerds to be able to (slowly) read (ancient) Greek words
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Hecta 2025-01-06 21:22
@Jupstar ✪ ddnet-rs logo
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 21:22
xD
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hot
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #30 Also ignore .vs for any commit
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oh. oh yeah thats why i hate rust.
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 21:29
is that visual studio btw? didnt know they have rust support lol
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almost looks like vscode nowadays xd
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Lefterion⛧ 2025-01-06 21:31
how to turn on render open gl 3 from console? (edited)
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is that visual studio btw? didnt know they have rust support lol
Hecta 2025-01-06 21:32
vscode
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Koll Potato 2025-01-06 21:33
so why did you clone with visual studio xd
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how to turn on render open gl 3 from console? (edited)
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 21:33
gfx_gl_major 3 then restart
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so why did you clone with visual studio xd
Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 21:33
IKR XD
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such a troll
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@Robyt3 Am I doing something wrong? D:
Robyt3 2025-01-06 21:34
Maybe because it's an unused tile? I just copy a random selection of game tiles
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Maybe because it's an unused tile? I just copy a random selection of game tiles
MilkeeyCat 2025-01-06 21:36
I opened a random map and selected game tiles there, still nothing :\
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I opened a random map and selected game tiles there, still nothing :\
Robyt3 2025-01-06 21:36
Did you confirm that ASAN/UBSAN actually work?
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #31 Fix "Join game" not shown in death match
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Did you confirm that ASAN/UBSAN actually work?
MilkeeyCat 2025-01-06 21:45
Idk how to check that but I entered commands from https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet?tab=readme-ov-file#using-addresssanitizer--undefinedbehavioursanitizer-or-valgrinds-memcheck and still nothing
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs-misc] Issue opened: #4 Maybe do a different icon for ddnet-rs?
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risu 2025-01-06 22:19
Obvious solution: crab tee
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Jupstar ✪ 2025-01-06 22:21
i'd prefer nothing with rust xD the rust logos aren't really the yellow from the egg
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+KZ 2025-01-06 22:22
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #31 Fix "Join game" not shown in death match
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #32 Move client notifications into own crate.
Add notifications overlay to editor. Handle some editor errors in notifications. Try to read resources from downloaded dir too.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #33 Ignore antiping in spec
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #32 Move client notifications into own crate.
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request closed: #33 Ignore antiping in spec
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[ddnet/ddnet-rs] Pull request opened: #34 Add minimal console chain for player actions (e.g. kill).
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