DDraceNetwork - mapping

Teero

i assume this is the current r1 strat aswell?

Do xyzyx

Can anyone explain to me, why the lower right corner is "stronger"?

21:24

no matter what color i choose

stronger as in

♂S1mple♂

stronger as in

?

what do you mean by stronger

@♂S1mple♂ you can see here that there is way more blue than red

21:26

it's not 1/2 1/2

21:27

@♂S1mple♂

21:27

do you know what i mean?

21:28

why is there a diagonal line??

I have no idea

i think that this isn't right

I think i didn't have lines like this when i did gradients with different colors

21:29

Could you try that on a new quad maybe (edited)

it was a new one

It's not a square tho

that shouldnt matter

Quads are squares by default

here is a completly new map

21:33

and it's the same. i dont know why but the upper left and the lower right corner a dominant

21:34

in this case there should be a Y-shape

Is it the same if you add image to the quad?

21:35

yes

21:35

@♂S1mple♂ so do you know my "problem"?

Im not sure tbh

21:37

Maybe you could try changing renderer see if it changes anything

21:37

If no I don't know

@♂S1mple♂ here's an other example. the right one is in ddnet and it shoud look like the left one

It's just probably how game renderers quad colors, can't do much about it

i guess it's wrong coding

‍♂️ but idk

Help coding it

21:48

Though it might break some already existing maps

so do you notice the difference?

♂S1mple♂

Though it might break some already existing maps

i don't think it would break maps

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

@♂S1mple♂ here's an other example. the right one is in ddnet and it shoud look like the left one

On the left there's way more blue then cyan

btw this is already IN DDNet and here is it right (edited)

21:56

i wonder how this difference can happen

It's because a quad is actually two triangles

22:36

if you think of it as two triangles the coloring makes sense

what if the quad is actually 599 quadrillion small circles

risu

if you think of it as two triangles the coloring makes sense

Yeah, that's actually good explanation

oxyzo

what if the quad is actually 599 quadrillion small circles

then one quad will drop you from 15k fps to 0.3fps

risu

if you think of it as two triangles the coloring makes sense

I guess so but WHY?

computer graphics stuff, it's the simplest and most efficient way to do it

you want this game to run on a win XP machine with 512mb ram

Cammodude

you want this game to run on a win XP machine with 512mb ram

just because the quads were squares it wouldn't?

Cammodude

you want this game to run on a win XP machine with 512mb ram

well newest ddnet cant run on xp

i wanna try

Cammodude

i wanna try

?

at least i think

I've got the hardware

cyberfighter 2

well newest ddnet cant run on xp

it'll take some massaging but you can get it to run

at that point just buy new pc

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

just because the quads were squares it wouldn't?

squares ? in my graphics ? unspeakable

Cammodude

squares ? in my graphics ? unspeakable

could you try it?

it's a horrible idea

22:51

i already tried it

22:51

but i really hate it how it is right now

Minecraft is just a bunch of triangles

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

btw this is already IN DDNet and here is it right (edited)

@Cammodude but why is it right here?

22:53

why are there no triangles?

because that's a colour picker and it looks like a colour picker is supposed to look

because it's not gameplay

my guess is that it's a texture

risu

because that's a colour picker and it looks like a colour picker is supposed to look

yes and the quads should look like it

who cares if you get 50% less fps in the editor

so you won't change it?

me ?

idk who does it (edited)

i couldn't even add a hyperlink to a wiki page

Another reason why the quad looks different from the colour picker is that the colour picker is shaded based on saturation and value

22:54

the quads are shaded based on RGB

I cannot be trusted with rendering source code

risu

the quads are shaded based on RGB

but there shouldnt be a difference

shading based on saturation and value is totally different math though

even with your change you're gonna break some obscure map that used that coloring technique

Cammodude

even with your change you're gonna break some obscure map that used that coloring technique

i dont think that there is any map that uses that "technique"... it's just wrong

22:57

for my map i'd like to get right shades but idk how

old-school maps:

sometimes hsv gradients are right, sometimes rgb gradients are right

computers:

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

for my map i'd like to get right shades but idk how

straight gradient and slice quads

22:57

or rotate them

Cammodude

straight gradient and slice quads

so there is no possibility with multiple colors?

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

i dont think that there is any map that uses that "technique"... it's just wrong

Changing how gradients are rendered can make a huge difference, this is not just a triangle thing but a colour math thing

risu

Changing how gradients are rendered can make a huge difference, this is not just a triangle thing but a colour math thing

so what's the difference here?

Those are gradients from the same pure red to the same pure cyan but the change of colour space makes them look totally different

i think the first one is right

The right one is closer to the math that you're asking for

23:07

actually let me show you something funny

23:08

The bottom gradient here is the math you're asking for :P

23:08

because that's how you render colour pickers

im not asking for other math, im just asking for squares and not triangles xD

I'm telling you, if you draw a square with normal RGB math you're still going to get the triangle effect

Cosmic Xenor {Yannik}

btw this is already IN DDNet and here is it right (edited)

it should look like here

23:11

there are no triangles

The colour picker is rendered with a saturation value gradient

23:12

it's totally different math

then it should be this math xD idk

it would make a lot of maps look very different

but why?

23:12

just because there is no triangle?

because different math gives you different looking gradients