DDraceNetwork

when I spectate when I freeze or deep, after I spectate I can move (edited)

can someone help me with this bug? i get stuck on this screen when I enter some servers (especially those that are populated)

what is this?

kilka <3

what is this?

Not enough VRAM. Did you maybe download lots of large skins?

kye

can someone help me with this bug? i get stuck on this screen when I enter some servers (especially those that are populated)

Disable software firewall

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broken

Thanks, so it's not the issue I thought.

deen

Not enough VRAM. Did you maybe download lots of large skins?

I had a lot of skins for a long time but I've never gotten this error before. I deleted most of them but it didn't help.

kilka <3

I had a lot of skins for a long time but I've never gotten this error before. I deleted most of them but it didn't help.

what about assets? particles, gameskins, emoticons,

07:44

ddnet doesn't support so-called "lazy-loading", so just having them in the folder takes up VRAM already.

Do you have other games running, or any other software that might take up a lot of VRAM?

the error says that he allocated 4gb in ddnet alone

09:09

so this must be high res skins

kilka <3

what is this?

delete all skins in %appdata%/ddnet/skins

09:10

and assets too

09:10

never download 4k assets again, since your gpu is not a rtx 5090

deen

Not enough VRAM. Did you maybe download lots of large skins?

do all skins get loaded into ram/vram immediately D: (edited)

Assa

do all skins get loaded into ram/vram immediately D: (edited)

all skins locally stored do indeed

oh my god

that is one of the weaknesses of ddnet. and sadly all the assets servers provide 4k assets

11:10

like not for 4k monitors

11:10

4k resolution of a skin that takes 1/20 of the screen space

I guess ddnet doesn't do minmapping as well

it does

that's nice to hear

4096×2048×4×2×2=134217728 bytes of vram for 1 skin i always had this value wrong btw, i forgot that skins also have a greyscaled version. so 4096x2048 is obvious x4 for rgba x2 for mipmaps x2 for greyscaled version

11:12

over 100 MB for a single skin xD

but if your monitor doesn't support 4K, why not only use the mipmap version?

11:13

also what's the point, when a mapres in a map is usually 1024x1024 anyway, and a single tile is bigger than the Tee

Assa

but if your monitor doesn't support 4K, why not only use the mipmap version?

well mipmaps is something dynamic. if you zoom in it uses higher res and zoom out lower res. it's precompiled however

11:14

not on the fly

ah, I forgot about zoom

Assa

also what's the point, when a mapres in a map is usually 1024x1024 anyway, and a single tile is bigger than the Tee

that is the big secret. the only explaination i have is as follows: 4k assets = 4k gaming (even tho I have full hd gtx 1060)

11:15

that must be in the ppls mind

11:15

if i add a RTX option, they enable it xD

11:15

they are programmed to do so xDD

maybe just downscale outright? (and add an option to disable that)

11:16

because it's so pointless

downscaling such textures is also not cheap tho

11:17

at good quality, mipmaps for example are gpu accelerated

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downscaling such textures is also not cheap tho

on that scale I bet "linear" is sufficient

or at least can be

11:18

i guess it would save us a bit of work to just disallow such textures. but then again these errors also don't pop up tooo often. and the preventing it will create similar questions

11:18

what i also fear is that it could cause lags or fps drops

11:19

especially on opengl where the driver might keep the texture on system memory

Yeah it's worse for loading times but maybe a setting for max loaded tile resolution would make sense

so it dynamically swaps it to vram

risu

Yeah it's worse for loading times but maybe a setting for max loaded tile resolution would make sense

And what is a good default?

As for skins, I really think proper dynamic loading would be good for the future

on a rtx 5090 on a 8k screen your might really want 2048x1040 skins

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And what is a good default?

Unlimited I guess to match current behaviour

risu

As for skins, I really think proper dynamic loading would be good for the future

this should come regardless of this vram problem anyway

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And what is a good default?

monitor size (like 2K) / 32

if we have 6000 skins in our db we might end up crashing regular ppl too

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this should come regardless of this vram problem anyway

Yea

the 32 comes from the idea, that you have about 1 tile as Tee size, and about 24 tiles left and right on screen

at default zoom yeah

now add in max_zoom, some leeway, maybe make this a 10 but it's still much smaller

11:22

time to check how much I can zoom in

Assa

time to check how much I can zoom in

Too much

11:22

But I like it, it's funny

ah yes ofc

11:23

now play gores like this, I challenge some streamers

Let's use some sort of interlaced texture format and real time asset streaming so we can waste our disk space with 8k skins trouble free

argument still holds, use a "normal amount of zoom" and expect breaking at some point, this is hilarious

btw a skin fills 2x2 tiles

also you see how other tilesets and things break on this screenshot as well, as you can count the pixels in the grenade xD

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btw a skin fills 2x2 tiles

btw, a faktor of 2 in downscaling would be 1/4th of the usual size in ram/vram

Drinking tea and eating chocolates while shitposting about teeworlds technical details

11:27

This is the life

maybe we can reverse this issue: Detect vram amount X, and then calulate the max size a skin can have without running into memory issues

11:28

this way, if you have an 8K monitor and a bad graphics card, at least the game can be playable

we only know the pool size sadly

11:28

not the exact vram usage

11:28

so if chrome is open it might cause this value to be useless

I'm not sure if I agree with the approach of taking up as much vram as is available

risu

I'm not sure if I agree with the approach of taking up as much vram as is available

that's not how I described it, maybe the default size has enough space without downscaling and then you have vram left

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so if chrome is open it might cause this value to be useless

pool size is the total size? So if I run another game in parallel, this value doesn't change?

Assa

pool size is the total size? So if I run another game in parallel, this value doesn't change?

yeah, and additionally that's a vulkan only feature

11:34

opengl has no concept of memory

11:34

it's infinite xD

I guess you'd have to do vendor specific things to find actual vram usage, not that I've ever tried

11:36

Maybe Windows has some API for that?

11:38

I'm not sure if I expect Linux to have a similar thing

Maybe you can just trial and error by sending some arbitrary data until the graphics card says stop xD

Binary search the max allocatable amount

cp 43 on new map is buggy

17:33

its the same as the next part

Hi, I need help with this bug that I'm having. I've gone through a map and I don't have the time or the points.

Oswaldo:D

Hi, I need help with this bug that I'm having. I've gone through a map and I don't have the time or the points.

Wait 24 hours, and if you still don't have the rank, then #✉-create-a-ticket (admin mail)

18:28

was probably a database connection issue, your rank will automatically be inserted soon

bencie

Wait 24 hours, and if you still don't have the rank, then #✉-create-a-ticket (admin mail)

ohhh okay thank you very much, it didn't just happen to me, it happened to other players who were in my game

when im on ddnet and only ddnet if i open google or dc ddnet closes is there any fix?

18:43

i reinstaled and it seems to be fixed now

bencie

Wait 24 hours, and if you still don't have the rank, then #✉-create-a-ticket (admin mail)

ackthually we're adviced to wait 48hours!

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