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<ChillerDragon> @blackkent autofarm is illegal on all clb servers I know. I contacted the admins and arranged an exception. I don't think there is any teeworlds server except my block servers which allow autofarm bots right now.

00:07

<ChillerDragon> the thing is even if you were to use the bot only on your server or mine or got permission elsewhere I can not distribute tools that are illegal on the majority of servers

chillerdragon: Bro, I can make a deal with kisao, kisao my friend

<ChillerDragon> @Index defining t1 and t2 in a loop and then using it outside is just nasty but it looks like you are golfing for less lines so everything is allowed

00:24

<ChillerDragon> @blackkent yes but as i said i do not feel comfortable distributing tooling thats illegal on most servers. Sorry, you have to build this one on your own.

chillerdragon: can i get ws-client?

<ChillerDragon> https://chat.zillyhuhn.com/

00:24

<ChillerDragon> sign up token is: nimrocks

00:25

<ChillerDragon> code is here https://github.com/orgs/discord-irc/repositories

discord-irc has 2 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

00:25

<ChillerDragon> or what do you mean by "get"?

chillerdragon: wrong credentials

<ChillerDragon> you have to make an account

00:27

<blackkent> hello

00:27

<ChillerDragon> hello poggers2

poggers2

hi irc fellows

<blackkent> lol this is discord

00:27

<blackkent> xd

00:27

<blackkent> chillerdragon is legend

00:28

<blackkent> chillerdragon can i buy you farm? i use for clb2s you can close src

00:29

<ChillerDragon> lets switch to the #off-topic channel discussing bots is illegal here

00:30

<ChillerDragon> click on #off-topic on the left side -.- dont go to discord

00:30

<blackkent> oka

justatest

04:59

chillerdragon is dealing with blackmarket stuff confirmed

@Jupstar ✪ does account token send to gameserver contain auth source? (email / steam) (edited)

06:04

like can gameserver tell whether a player is authed via email or steam?

TsFreddie

like can gameserver tell whether a player is authed via email or steam?

no, but we could include a boolean or some enum if needed

actually nvm, if we hide steamid to gameservers anyway, there is not valid way to check whether a steam account is in good standing

"vacbanned":false,"publisherbanned":false this is the info we know about the acc

some steam games also have info about whether it has the 5$ minimum purchase history reached

06:07

you know. steam account is free and our game is free

yeah, but it's not included in their web api apparently

ah

06:07

make sense

06:08

what about account creation time or play time?

Jupstar ✪

"vacbanned":false,"publisherbanned":false this is the info we know about the acc

these are the only fields besides the steamid

i see. ill dig through webapi a bit more. might be available in other api

We use https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi/ISteamUserAuth#AuthenticateUserTicket btw

ok

06:10

we are hard blocked the idea of just send steamid to gameserver right?

I dunno, I think it's nice if personal information is not send to third party servers

that's true

06:11

just considering if steam account itself is actually personal information.

Let's say it like this, do other steam games do it? As publishers we also have some kind of responsibility to not just do random things ig

lots of game just grab steam id to check things

06:13

but we are talking about third-party servers ofc

06:13

and im pretty sure third-party csgo server also has steamid available to them?

I don't think steamid is confidential to any community servers in valve games

you can track name history and behavior i guess but steam itself doesn't disclose email or any personal info other than the ones user made available in profile i think.

06:14

but as heinrich said, if we can just not send it then there is no concerns

06:14

i do agree but i do kinda want it to be more reliable in terms of moderating.

06:14

probably just a balancing act

email is ofc not the same as steamid

agreed

but we're limiting steam accounts to 1 ddnet account anyway right?

06:15

so if you ban the steam linked ddnet account it's the same as banning their steamid

ye, but people can just register a new one. same goes with the email thing (edited)

sure but steam is a little harder

ig you want some kind of trust factor, therefore the 5$ thing?

im just thinking if it is possible for a gameserver to limit to good standing steam accounts only

Jupstar ✪

ig you want some kind of trust factor, therefore the 5$ thing?

ye

06:17

but if it not possible then it's probably no big deal since registering a new account is probably already a much higher barrier than just... not having to do that at all.

06:17

but that's a pretty low bar tho lol

I can't find public endpoints that let you do stuff that trust factor does in csgo lol (edited)

csgo stuff is game specific not related to steam id imagine

yeah but they know if you've attached a mobile authenticator and phone number

06:19

we can't do that afaik

06:19

and how much money you've spent

oh that would be quite useful if we can check that

You can query the steam level and badges xd

06:23

That could give you an estimate

06:24

But probs not on a private profile

i think levels are public regardless

Not on the steam website at least

06:24

but maybe you can still query them yeah

what? i remember seeing the circle on private profile.

06:25

probably just misremembered

Tater

I can't find public endpoints that let you do stuff that trust factor does in csgo lol (edited)

you can't do anything as a publisher tho, it's a user endpoint.

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Okay so I wrote some artistic solutions (honestly I wish I could do better but I'm not yet a certified Haskell wizard) Now looking at day 2 I'm afraid I'm going to struggle with the complexity of the requirements

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I might even have to break it up onto multiple lines!

what is a monad

Koll Potato

what is a monad

07:39

Monads are used to model computations. Think of a computation as being like a function, which maps an input to an output, but as also doing "something more." The something more is an effect that the function has as a result of being computed. For example, the effect might involve printing to the screen. Monads provide an abstraction of effects, and help to make sure that effects happen in a controlled order.

<ChillerDragon> I think i rq aoc i just wasted my day on this shitty edge case. In case anyone gets stuck like me try adding this to your test cases 21 24 21 19 17 14

@murpi we might need a bot command /lmgptfy

07:50

kekw

<ChillerDragon> duckduckgo AI assistant > chatgpt

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> duckduckgo AI assistant > chatgpt

what backend are they using

08:01

do they have an api too. i might need that

08:02

openai access is too hard to get as a chinese person

08:02

ok, they have multiple choices, so just wrappers.

08:03

i like that it is just free to use without login tho. seems super abusable too, i wonder how long it will stay like that.

chillerdragon: is duckduckgo for profit

lol I went a bit too hard with the functional juice with the 2nd problem for the first day, it takes 90ms to execute because I'm generating the cartesian product of the two input lists (edited)

chillerdragon: btw did you implement the server redirect thing

08:31

does that mean we could somehow make a command that automatically finds an empty server, change its map and direct player there? (edited)

i did day 2 p1 in ocaml but im frustrated with how dune works and tooling

08:46

my god its just so bad

08:46

❯ dune build File "lib/util.ml", line 15, characters 0-0: Error: Syntax error

08:46

this is the quality of the error messages

08:46

i love rust even more now

08:47

the idea behind ocaml seemes so good, but i wont work with this bad ux

08:47

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These are still artistic in that I never bind any variables but I did split it into multiple lines so they're almost readable eugh

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arch1t3cht

If your program isn't fully eta reduced are you really trying

I'm trying so hard right now I hope you're proud of me

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

2769ea3 Add 29 € funding for Brazil by coentro - def-

09:05

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9316 Use remote tee angle when spectating

The mouse pos sent to server during spectating does not apply to characters, so I see no obvious reason to keep this visual. Basically this PR stops this from happening: https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/716b96d4-dedd-4336-b568-1deb539f5fd6 This is visual only. If you are positive this angle movement is actually used in any scenario, let me know.

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[x] Tested the change ingame
[x] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[x] Tested in combinati...

I feel bad about abusing liftM2 for everything, I should find ways to use more varied combinators >:3

justatest

i'm on a spectating spree i guess

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9317 Hide skins

With the recent removal of some of the skins from the database, and further conversations with Souly, I think it would be a good idea to make it easier to hide specific skins via the "Players" menu. I think making it easier to hide skins you don't like would benefit the community, since some players rely on specific things that certain skins lack for critical gameplay information. (Feet, Eyes, the size and shape of the tee) I think outright removing skins that already made it into the ...

@Souly any examples for skins that we might want to keep in database but other players might not want to see them?

09:35

i'm curious

defatulYoda

justatest

i see

though for me it's the reverse maybe I'll override my default skin with defatulYoda

09:37

It's so beautiful

Any of the ghost skins, since they lack feet, and knowing if your partner has double jump is very important

honestly. i think people who see these as beneficial would just seek them out anyway, it's not like we have a in-game skin browser.

09:37

they are already seeking them out by checking out the skin database. maybe we could just do it on the web part and opens a non public section (edited)

09:38

or group

I want a button to just download the entire skin database hehe

09:39

every time there's a batch of new skins I need to manually download them and that's a bit annoying (edited)

non public section - where we still host them on website, but you can't automatically fetch it in game

risu

every time there's a batch of new skins I need to manually download them and that's a bit annoying (edited)

i'm wondering if we have dynamic asset managment now. like loading and unloading based on usage

09:40

my guess is that skin menu is loading every asset all at once so too many skins will just break either vram or just ram?

09:41

i remember seeing player who can't open game due to having too many skins downloaded (edited)

TsFreddie

i remember seeing player who can't open game due to having too many skins downloaded (edited)

I had this happen to me once when I had a different game (Yuanshen) running at the same time hogging all my VRAM

pepeW

shouldn't it be called genshin impact

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9312 upgrade deb version of the game!

risu

I had this happen to me once when I had a different game (Yuanshen) running at the same time hogging all my VRAM

so basically it's a lack of resource management thing. if we have that, we can just show every skin in database probably.

TsFreddie

pepeW

shouldn't it be called genshin impact

Yeah but I think it's funny to call it by the chinese name

09:54

another nickname I use for it is "chinese game"

09:55

it's kind of a euphemism tbh justatest

justatest

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@Souly Instead of removing skins, just move them to community db, if you dislike a skin for whatever reason. Or what is the motivation to remove skins (other than if it is requested by the author)?

10:04

How did you even evaluate the usage of a skin? Does furo have stats for that?

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

962ae09 use remote tee angle when spectating - TsFreddie 2bd5bc5 Merge pull request #9316 from TsFreddie/stop-spec-angle - def-

10:05

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9316 Use remote tee angle when spectating

Jupstar ✪

How did you even evaluate the usage of a skin? Does furo have stats for that?

Furo has.. everything (and his site tracks the used skin of someone so it's fairly easy to grep for from his db)

10:07

I should log into it again at some point...

Koll Potato

what is a monad

monoid in the category of endofunctors

I learned some abstract nonsense but once I stopped trying to learn more it kinda fell out of my head

10:42

I'm sure I'll grok it if I put more thinking time into it

10:44

I think my realization earlier today about fmap and liftM being the same thing is approximately correct

Learath2

Hopefully someone will implement a compatibility layer to solve it, but given the amount of activity we have nowadays that's even doubtful

See Lea, it's not even purely about being compatible to mods. If we don't talk about gameplay for a moment, just about ddnet services, skin database, community list etc. Even then ddnet's way is just insane. We are not allowed to write imperfect non-future proof code anymore. If I want to introduce skin categories or generally want better search systems (https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287503756048465981), and make normal & community a category instead of what we have now, as well as allowing sub categories, which would also remove the "skin-prefix" and instead make santa skins a category (for example). Then I have to make sure it's compatible to ddnet 9-current. I have to make sure the old system also still gets skin updates, bcs maybe -1 players are still playing on a client that already had downloaded skins support. I have to make sure it's directly implemented bug-free. That is one of the reasons I did what I did, I just find it so annoying to always have the excuse, but player xy also wants to enjoy ddnet. Oh nooo, player xy, poor guy. I prefer to make stuff where 95% of all players benefit from it, most ppl that simply use the steam version wouldn't even notice a skin database upgrade as in my example. Additionally we tend to bloat with new features, bcs we do it in such a bad way, that we support old and new versions over years. It's simply a paradigm change. If you don't like it, don't support it. I am ok to fail, at least I tried. Not like I am ignored since years anyway.. Mister dictator ddnet admin decides what he likes most anyway, and all follow without self reflection or reasoning. It just bores me. Maybe I am alone with that, fine. But if all devs are bored by the project it will die as well.

holy

risu

I think my realization earlier today about fmap and liftM being the same thing is approximately correct

yeah they're the same

Jupstar ✪

See Lea, it's not even purely about being compatible to mods. If we don't talk about gameplay for a moment, just about ddnet services, skin database, community list etc. Even then ddnet's way is just insane. We are not allowed to write imperfect non-future proof code anymore. If I want to introduce skin categories or generally want better search systems (https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287503756048465981), and make normal & community a category instead of what we have now, as well as allowing sub categories, which would also remove the "skin-prefix" and instead make santa skins a category (for example). Then I have to make sure it's compatible to ddnet 9-current. I have to make sure the old system also still gets skin updates, bcs maybe -1 players are still playing on a client that already had downloaded skins support. I have to make sure it's directly implemented bug-free. That is one of the reasons I did what I did, I just find it so annoying to always have the excuse, but player xy also wants to enjoy ddnet. Oh nooo, player xy, poor guy. I prefer to make stuff where 95% of all players benefit from it, most ppl that simply use the steam version wouldn't even notice a skin database upgrade as in my example. Additionally we tend to bloat with new features, bcs we do it in such a bad way, that we support old and new versions over years. It's simply a paradigm change. If you don't like it, don't support it. I am ok to fail, at least I tried. Not like I am ignored since years anyway.. Mister dictator ddnet admin decides what he likes most anyway, and all follow without self reflection or reasoning. It just bores me. Maybe I am alone with that, fine. But if all devs are bored by the project it will die as well.

I'm out of the loop, why is deprecating features not allowed around here?

risu

I'm out of the loop, why is deprecating features not allowed around here?

Don't ask me, ask the ppl I don't want to mention by name

10:59

Apparently staying 10 years comaptible to all ddnet related projects that ever existed is good

arch1t3cht

yeah they're the same

Nice! I'd like some pointers in general since you seem to know your stuff... Maybe you could take a look at my horrendous incantations and tell me if I'm doing anything obviously stupid at some point?

Jupstar ✪

Don't ask me, ask the ppl I don't want to mention by name

A bit hard if I don't know their names lol but I get it pepeW

pepeW

Jupstar ✪

See Lea, it's not even purely about being compatible to mods. If we don't talk about gameplay for a moment, just about ddnet services, skin database, community list etc. Even then ddnet's way is just insane. We are not allowed to write imperfect non-future proof code anymore. If I want to introduce skin categories or generally want better search systems (https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287503756048465981), and make normal & community a category instead of what we have now, as well as allowing sub categories, which would also remove the "skin-prefix" and instead make santa skins a category (for example). Then I have to make sure it's compatible to ddnet 9-current. I have to make sure the old system also still gets skin updates, bcs maybe -1 players are still playing on a client that already had downloaded skins support. I have to make sure it's directly implemented bug-free. That is one of the reasons I did what I did, I just find it so annoying to always have the excuse, but player xy also wants to enjoy ddnet. Oh nooo, player xy, poor guy. I prefer to make stuff where 95% of all players benefit from it, most ppl that simply use the steam version wouldn't even notice a skin database upgrade as in my example. Additionally we tend to bloat with new features, bcs we do it in such a bad way, that we support old and new versions over years. It's simply a paradigm change. If you don't like it, don't support it. I am ok to fail, at least I tried. Not like I am ignored since years anyway.. Mister dictator ddnet admin decides what he likes most anyway, and all follow without self reflection or reasoning. It just bores me. Maybe I am alone with that, fine. But if all devs are bored by the project it will die as well.

Every person is allowed to have their own opinion. Except me apparently

11:14

Not like I can tell you what to do. Feel free to break whatever you want. I can just hope you don't end up accidentally killing the whole thing trying to remove ddnet 9 compatibility

Is there any notable reason for holding onto that compatibility? Some reason people would be unable to easily upgrade to the latest versions?

Learath2

Every person is allowed to have their own opinion. Except me apparently

Yes, you are only here to have no opinion, true

11:22

Else I'd not write to you

risu

Is there any notable reason for holding onto that compatibility? Some reason people would be unable to easily upgrade to the latest versions?

There isn't

frozen

11:26

And even if they're for some reason stuck on those older versions it's not like they couldn't keep playing as long as basic Teeworlds compat is there...

risu

And even if they're for some reason stuck on those older versions it's not like they couldn't keep playing as long as basic Teeworlds compat is there...

That is a good point too yes

Most people stuck on old versions are just using cheat clients they couldnt get an update for - change my mind (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet-web] New branch created: pr-18.8

11:27

[ddnet-web:pr-18.8] 1 new commit

1d5a7f3 DDNet 18.8 - def-

11:28

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #306 DDNet 18.8

Depends on https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9314

I'm a bit past my haskell days too but this lgtm There are some small things you could do differently/golf further but I wouldn't say they're wrong Like, in day 2 you could try to combine rising and decreasing into one function with, uhh monotonic = any . (traverse (rising .) $ map map [id, negate]) (written on my phone so might have errors but you probably get the idea. traverse and sequence can be really cool. Also lenses (e.g. under) but I haven't fully learned those yet either.) Similarly liftM2 (&&) monotonic smooth could be turned into all . (sequence [monotonic, smooth]) The advantage being that you can very quickly add new conditions or have a dynamic number of them.

11:29

bleh the reply got lost

risu

Nice! I'd like some pointers in general since you seem to know your stuff... Maybe you could take a look at my horrendous incantations and tell me if I'm doing anything obviously stupid at some point?

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ScReeNy

Most people stuck on old versions are just using cheat clients they couldnt get an update for - change my mind (edited)

or are called @Freezy ...

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arch1t3cht

I'm a bit past my haskell days too but this lgtm There are some small things you could do differently/golf further but I wouldn't say they're wrong Like, in day 2 you could try to combine rising and decreasing into one function with, uhh monotonic = any . (traverse (rising .) $ map map [id, negate]) (written on my phone so might have errors but you probably get the idea. traverse and sequence can be really cool. Also lenses (e.g. under) but I haven't fully learned those yet either.) Similarly liftM2 (&&) monotonic smooth could be turned into all . (sequence [monotonic, smooth]) The advantage being that you can very quickly add new conditions or have a dynamic number of them.

thamks, map map is exactly the kind of fun thing that I wouldn't think of since I'm still too imperative-brained

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kek

was tele menu fixed in last update?

11:50

i'm not really familiar with github and can't tell

arch1t3cht

I'm a bit past my haskell days too but this lgtm There are some small things you could do differently/golf further but I wouldn't say they're wrong Like, in day 2 you could try to combine rising and decreasing into one function with, uhh monotonic = any . (traverse (rising .) $ map map [id, negate]) (written on my phone so might have errors but you probably get the idea. traverse and sequence can be really cool. Also lenses (e.g. under) but I haven't fully learned those yet either.) Similarly liftM2 (&&) monotonic smooth could be turned into all . (sequence [monotonic, smooth]) The advantage being that you can very quickly add new conditions or have a dynamic number of them.

and wow, traverse and sequence are not trivial at all to my tired brain

sequence is pretty simple, it's just [m a] -> m [a]

11:52

so with the reader monad it'd be [a -> b] -> a -> [b]

11:52

and traverse is just sequence but with a map first

Remove self from spectator menu unless in demo

Lol wasn't this intentionally added at some point?

11:52

in early clients u couldnt do that either

traverse f l = sequence (map f l)

Jupstar ✪

Remove self from spectator menu unless in demo

Lol wasn't this intentionally added at some point?

Being able to sit while still having your camera follow your tee is nice imo

arch1t3cht

traverse f l = sequence (map f l)

thanks for this

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arch1t3cht

sequence is pretty simple, it's just [m a] -> m [a]

Can't find a general m1 (m2 a) -> m2 (m1 a), is this something that just doesn't work or is it something rarely needed? (edited)

12:04

I've yet to gain an intuition for what is generalizable and what is not

12:05

So my rule of thumb so far has been that if I can think of it it's probably generalizable

I don't think that works in general (e.g. then you'd also have a (a -> [b]) -> [a -> b] and it's not clear how that should be defined). The list in sequence generalizes to something traversable (since you need to join all the m a in some order), not any monad (edited)

12:05

but that does mean that you can sequence along, say, a tree, and not just a list

Yeah I guess a lot of things are traversable

12:08

Or you could say that Nothing is traversable

risu

Being able to sit while still having your camera follow your tee is nice imo

I think it was mostly there for when u used /spec To know where you are

12:13

Bcs unspeccing can kill a team

spec as a game mechanic is just wild to me

in gores u often need it, bcs the platforms are too small

risu

Is there any notable reason for holding onto that compatibility? Some reason people would be unable to easily upgrade to the latest versions?

Any notable reason to break it? Our extension mechanisms are all backwards compatible by default. New netmsgs, new netobjs are all possible without breaking anything

yeah, after playing a bit more gores recently I've seriously considered actually binding spec I really should just rebind since there's no downside

Learath2

Any notable reason to break it? Our extension mechanisms are all backwards compatible by default. New netmsgs, new netobjs are all possible without breaking anything

I'm not really involved with DDNet development (yet?) but it seems to be causing Jupstar distress so I assume there are some reasons (edited)

ScReeNy

Most people stuck on old versions are just using cheat clients they couldnt get an update for - change my mind (edited)

This is false from what I can see. The popular degenerate clients are all up to date

kek

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9318 Send camera type flag to prevent unexpected viewpos and target update

Fixes #8810. Also prevents character flashing when switching to free view, especially in high ping servers. Added a new PLAYERFLAG_SPEC_CAM to hint server which camera type the client is currently using to make sure:

only apply input to character when input is not in spec cam.
only change m_ViewPos to input when input is in spec cam.

This is the first time that a new player flag has been added since hookcollision (there is no previous example for adding this), so please revie...

I'm not sure if we are allowed to introduce new player flag

12:21

but to fix any target pos related issue like #8810 i couldn't think of another way

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8810

tee aims to bottom right for one tick or so when leaving spec/freev...

can easily be reproduced by taking a jetpack gun and holding shoot and pause(free view) button

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bro mods are using this

12:21

last time this was suggested it was brought up that it can't be fixed

thought so

Tater

bro mods are using this

wrong reply?

?

12:22

ah nvm

12:22

it's just the rendering

oh i thought you are talking about playerflag

ignore me

12:23

new playerflag tho

12:23

kinda crazy

i don't expect that to merge tbh, too many things could break

12:24

well by things, i mean mods probably

shouldn't the server use the client verison to detect the feature, not by sending it to the server for one tick

Tater

shouldn't the server use the client verison to detect the feature, not by sending it to the server for one tick

I can change the compatibility detection to a version based one if desired, but I feel this way is more concrete.

Learath2

Any notable reason to break it? Our extension mechanisms are all backwards compatible by default. New netmsgs, new netobjs are all possible without breaking anything

It's not easy to use. It's hard to test old clients. It's bloat. The better question is, why should old clients matter?

I would say there's no reason to not use the version check

12:25

it's the proper method

if robyt3 told me to i'll do it

ok

risu

I'm not really involved with DDNet development (yet?) but it seems to be causing Jupstar distress so I assume there are some reasons (edited)

There is some burden to making features work with old clients sometimes, but if it doesn't work we do just version gate stuff sometimes. It's not like we just don't allow anything that doesn't work on every single version. We just don't want people breaking stuff that already works for the lulz

we removed self spectating?

i could also just not send that first tick and it wouldn't really break anything other than it would still flash the first time you spec

isn't that a regular feature?

just use spectate <selfid>

Tater

we removed self spectating?

As I remember it wasn't removed, just not in the menu anymore

:/

12:26

it's useful tho

TsFreddie

just use spectate <selfid>

yeah this is a bit annoying

you don't get prediction when spectating yourself everyone is smooth

i see

I use it all the time when I'm the one being dragged through a freeze part and I don't need to do anything

Tater

you don't get prediction when spectating yourself everyone is smooth

Well you can bind x toggle cl_predict 0 1 or whatever I don't rember if that's exactly right

12:28

I just use it to sit :P

I don't want another bind .-.

i'll add a config maybe

what's the downside to letting you spectate yourself in the menu

12:29

it just makes sense to me

it comes from player keep asking me why they cant move camera when pausing

your own tee is not special

12:30

hmm

Jupstar ✪

It's not easy to use. It's hard to test old clients. It's bloat. The better question is, why should old clients matter?

For all 3 you could have just broken all old clients, didn't have to break all teeworlds compatibility along with it

maybe i'll do a visual effect instead

Learath2

For all 3 you could have just broken all old clients, didn't have to break all teeworlds compatibility along with it

Yeah but, you downplay what my ultimate goal is in this case. I want server provided client side physics prediction.

12:31

But yes, there is lot of headroom to improve the current version too

Jupstar ✪

Yeah but, you downplay what my ultimate goal is in this case. I want server provided client side physics prediction.

Hmm? Is this about using the same code for prediction as for the server, like any reasonable person would want it to work?

I want a united community so this game can live for another decade

I think the main reason to allow old clients is to support platforms that do not get builds anymore

risu

Hmm? Is this about using the same code for prediction as for the server, like any reasonable person would want it to work?

yes, and the server can also provide WASM modules to customize it even further

Tater

I think the main reason to allow old clients is to support platforms that do not get builds anymore

Yeah but which platform should that be, win xp?

Jupstar ✪

yes, and the server can also provide WASM modules to customize it even further

Ooh wacky mods server side? Sounds potentially great, potentially horrid

then i'd say that is a user problem, not our

win 7 also?

all win7 users can upgrade to win10

"to play the game you must first uninstall your os"

risu

Ooh wacky mods server side? Sounds potentially great, potentially horrid

i looked into it, wouldnt call it wacky mods at all!

Tater

"to play the game you must first uninstall your os"

yeah sry, but win7 is dead even by microsoft

12:34

we don't have to support smth that is officially dead

win7 SHOULD upgrade, same with win 8.1 - why are we properly providing an application for an unsafe os :o

meloƞ

i looked into it, wouldnt call it wacky mods at all!

You mean to tell me people wouldn't make wacky mods with it? I'd be disappointed if they don't

at some point this is religious

so we will drop win10 support in october 2025?

risu

You mean to tell me people wouldn't make wacky mods with it? I'd be disappointed if they don't

i'll be coding the old zombies mod in it greenthing

greenthing

Jupstar ✪

we don't have to support smth that is officially dead

ok here's where we disagree I want my Windows 98 compatibility

Tater

so we will drop win10 support in october 2025?

If it's end of life, we do yes. But I assume that is just end of standard support?

Tater

I don't want another bind .-.

ill do a revert pr tomorrow

the issue you brought up is valid

12:36

spectating yourself is confusing

12:36

I don't have a good solution rn (edited)

i can add hint when you spectating yourself. but that might be more obnoxious than a bind

idk

where even is the pr that added self spectate

12:36

cant find it xd

Jupstar ✪

where even is the pr that added self spectate

no such thing. its a by product of pause

i really thought it's been there since spectator menu launched

you never spectate and have a tee in teeworlds

ah then we just never excluded it within /pause

12:38

i see

I get not providing builds for old systems, but have there been changes to the game that make it impossible to build for those systems?

DDNet

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8810

this bug is also a by product of pause

risu

I get not providing builds for old systems, but have there been changes to the game that make it impossible to build for those systems?

I think we dropped very old OGL versions?

risu

I get not providing builds for old systems, but have there been changes to the game that make it impossible to build for those systems?

dependencie updates, other than that the game runs on my toaster

12:39

and even then i'm fairly sure you could hack your way to still building it

12:39

there is still a video in here somewhere of furo getting latest master running on windows XP kekw

kekw

TsFreddie

no such thing. its a by product of pause

ah true, back then /pause were not actual spectator

12:41

well it was kinda weird state

Tater

I think we dropped very old OGL versions?

no

ok

meloƞ

there is still a video in here somewhere of furo getting latest master running on windows XP kekw

kekw

I'm just thinking, I'm sure there are insane people glad to try building the game for the Wii or whatever, so as long as it runs we good imo

there is a person having ddnet run on his nintendo DS

if it can still build for windows xp then actually I support dropping old versions (edited)

kek

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We don't need proper automated builds, as long as you can download that 9 months old version that some nerd built for sport

12:45

if you wanna play on WinXP you deserve to go through that

I mean if we had once a year builds for win xp that would be enough to drop clients >2y/o

Lol what u talking about with winxp xD

12:47

using internet on winxp is suicidal

that's true tbh

12:48

but I like that the game can be played on the platforms that it released on

12:48

that's my only reason

ok guys dont rant to hard i want to read it later but i need to go shopping owo

owo

you can still play old arcade that is using windows 2000 if you run a private server

Tater

but I like that the game can be played on the platforms that it released on

ddnet was released 2013, so win7 min xd but srsly, it's also a matter of support from all libs. E.g. rust doesn't support win7 or older anymore

Jupstar ✪

using internet on winxp is suicidal

Only accept outgoing connections with destination port 8303 :)

dropping support is probably quite normal

Jupstar ✪

ddnet was released 2013, so win7 min xd but srsly, it's also a matter of support from all libs. E.g. rust doesn't support win7 or older anymore

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12:51

got em

Jupstar ✪

ddnet was released 2013, so win7 min xd but srsly, it's also a matter of support from all libs. E.g. rust doesn't support win7 or older anymore

See this is why I'm not a crustacean! They go against my aesthetic principles!

this is not serious JSYK

meloƞ

there is a person having ddnet run on his nintendo DS

troll

wtf, windows xp got security updates until 2019 for some versions

about the bicycle game, if i couldn't figure out the artstyle. i might just make it kirby star ride but tees

risu

I'm just thinking, I'm sure there are insane people glad to try building the game for the Wii or whatever, so as long as it runs we good imo

http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-wii

Also how does a programming language stop supporting an OS? The compiler produces CPU instructions, for a CPU, not an OS! (yes I know this is a very C mindset)

Headshot

http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-wii

BASED BASED BASED

Jupstar ✪

at some point this is religious

This is probably more of a reason than anything. You think we are just insane ideological zealots

risu

BASED BASED BASED

here's more consoles http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-nds http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-3ds http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-ps2 http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-dc

bruh

Headshot

here's more consoles http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-nds http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-3ds http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-ps2 http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-dc

does the 3ds one work online

yes

:O

12:55

I should try it

porting is based but imagine maintaining all these

12:55

kek

they're already on ddnet 9

12:56

so

12:56

I assume thats not happening

this is like the ultimate portfolio for a porting specialist tho

maybe if they're hiring for porting to dead consoles

shots fired

i would trust the general skill could carry through new consoles

i was suprised when a friend told me he had harry potter 6 for ps2

true I guess

12:58

I think you can just use regular libraries for modern consoles tho

that is also true

12:59

but console might have werid filesystem and weird permissions

12:59

we ran into that when porting a unity game using a third party lua bridge to PS5

nothing can be as annoying as porting to android

13:01

but i gotta admit i like to download an appimage and just start it. no deps, no assets all in one binary

TsFreddie

@Souly any examples for skins that we might want to keep in database but other players might not want to see them?

things like this https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/community/defatulYoda.png or this https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/community/Cammostripes%20Small.png which not gonna lie i was really thinking of removing all those "small" skins

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13:06

i think its really bad for gameplay and i see those being mostly used at mods like block

ddg uses chatgpt

Replying to @TsFreddie what backend are they using

Jupstar ✪

@Souly Instead of removing skins, just move them to community db, if you dislike a skin for whatever reason. Or what is the motivation to remove skins (other than if it is requested by the author)?

i just think it sets bad examples and its sometimes hard to explain to people why their slight skin edit didnt get in while things like those are in the database

idk they do have ads

Replying to @TsFreddie chillerdragon: is duckduckgo for profit

but im open to discussion

I did add the redirect message. But I still am waiting for the extension proposal to redirect to other iOS

Replying to @TsFreddie chillerdragon: btw did you implement the server redirect thing

13:09

iOS

13:09

iOS

13:09

iOS

13:09

iOS

13:09

Fuck you iphoe

13:09

IPS* not iOS

lmao

@Jupstar ✪ my evaluation of skin usage was based on this

skin-stats_total-time-played.txt

1.13 MB

13:09

and yes its from furo lmao

kek

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Souly

i just think it sets bad examples and its sometimes hard to explain to people why their slight skin edit didnt get in while things like those are in the database

Just say it's historical :) Just like the ancient maps... justatest

justatest

the issue is that those flower skins were pretty fresh lol

There is an issue for that https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6754

Replying to @TsFreddie does that mean we could somehow make a command that automatically finds …

@Jupstar ✪ theres also this if you are interested

unique-names-skin-usage-10000.txt

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Souly

@Jupstar ✪ theres also this if you are interested

i wonder how many skins from the db are not used at all xD

13:14

did u check? xd

chillerdragon

There is an issue for that https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6754

ofc there is oof

they wouldn't be in this list at all

there are some really weird skin names

13:15

like really weird stuff

13:15

to the point where i wonder how did that happen

he just uses the skin name

13:15

u can set any name as skin name

13:15

in the client

Souly

things like this https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/community/defatulYoda.png or this https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/community/Cammostripes%20Small.png which not gonna lie i was really thinking of removing all those "small" skins

ye, just move them to a separate webpage for download and not serve them automatically via url

but why do we even care rn?

13:17

as long as they are in community

what sane person puts cockaballsamec as their skin name

13:17

and plays 6 hours with it

either way definitely should not be a client thing

should we change rules on what gets in normal database then?

13:18

cuz it might be a decent solution

i am ok if we remove skins like ghosts

13:18

and move them to community

so people could see some more popular edits of skins like https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/community/ahl_chinesefox.png without having to look at other stuff

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having no feet is defs not very tw friendly

Jupstar ✪

and move them to community

ghosts are in normal db?

13:19

im changing that rn lol

Souly

ghosts are in normal db?

one

ahh the og one

We'd also need to think if bomb needs eyes: https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/bomb.png

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13:20

It's certainly used in some mods so we can't just remove it

13:20

but having no eyes is also kinda not normal xd

@bencie bomb with eyes yes or no? kek

kek

bomb 2 has eyes: https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/Bomb%202.png

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meloƞ

@bencie bomb with eyes yes or no? kek

kek

i think it is fine, not that my opinions matter

i wonder what happened to the old bomb skin

I'd say client filter is neat since ppl have different preferences

id prefer regular white eyes tho

i still have this one in my skins directory

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13:21

who is the author?

Pioooooo

I'd say client filter is neat since ppl have different preferences

yeah but we add so many skins

13:21

we already divide by normal and community

13:21

if we want to break the skin system, then we should redesign it

13:22

and not add more features

Jupstar ✪

and not add more features

+1

I'd say normal is too small

13:22

Client filter is just adblock

xd

meloƞ

@bencie bomb with eyes yes or no? kek

kek

never tried with eyes but ill check if it looks good lol

I don't see what's the matter

u can probably prevent the http request

13:22

with a third party tool

okay i moved bomb bomb_exploded and ghost to community db

13:23

https://ddnet.org/skins/skin/Hidden%20Assassin.png i guess this one should go to community too

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Pioooooo

I don't see what's the matter

well if it's a client feature we need need some kind of db for it to store the deny list. Then, no front, I bet the feature is only used by like 10 ppl, the others don't even know about the existence xd

did we remove blocking x_ prefix on server or was it never a thing, just how teeworlds worked

If we want to block skins it must follow some intuitive logic

oh probably a client thing

Souly

okay i moved bomb bomb_exploded and ghost to community db

the client ships them anyway, so we'd need to remove them there

13:25

is the question if e.g. bomb should be really* community anyway (edited)

13:25

as said, bomb mod uses that skin

13:25

i don't think the ddnet admins like that

we can replace the bomb skin by some different one

bomb 2 is kinda cursed

sure

i can see x_bomb indicating it is non-tw but for popular gamemodes. and no user can use it

When it comes to prefixes I think it'd be nice if a ton of skins had prefixed versions so that the prefix field would actually do something noticeable...

not a proposal tho

TsFreddie

i can see x_bomb indicating it is non-tw but for popular gamemodes. and no user can use it

yeah, as long as the client doesn't reject it

TsFreddie

i can see x_bomb indicating it is non-tw but for popular gamemodes. and no user can use it

honestly that would be really reasonable

i think the server needs to send some flag

risu

When it comes to prefixes I think it'd be nice if a ton of skins had prefixed versions so that the prefix field would actually do something noticeable...

Is this not a thing because people don't submit variants or is it because they don't get accepted? Something to do with licensing?

but for non regular skins like the big ones and no feet ones should be community that i agree

risu

When it comes to prefixes I think it'd be nice if a ton of skins had prefixed versions so that the prefix field would actually do something noticeable...

prefixes feel like a kind of dead feature to me

13:28

besides the santa_ one

we should just remove prefixes

f3

Souly

prefixes feel like a kind of dead feature to me

I wish it was alive

i would rather just have a modular skin system

13:29

than prefixes

just let player decide what to use. and if we do festive or april fools just use a known list

why would we need a bunch of new skins just to add glasses or santa hat to a tee

Jupstar ✪

well if it's a client feature we need need some kind of db for it to store the deny list. Then, no front, I bet the feature is only used by like 10 ppl, the others don't even know about the existence xd

Just like how current friends work maybe, with a good UI it should be fine

Pioooooo

Just like how current friends work maybe, with a good UI it should be fine

can you tell me which skins you want to block?

tagged skins would be just as good, as long as it's not hard to get every subset of tags accepted :P

Like that ass skin and some Longhair skins

13:30

And various random ugly ones

inappropriate skins should just be removed. (ass mentioned)

yeah dunno why it was added in first place

TsFreddie

inappropriate skins should just be removed. (ass mentioned)

LEAVE GROSBOULE ALONE

Jupstar ✪

yeah dunno why it was added in first place

funny

But I'd say someone must like that

oh lol it also doesnt have eyes

ugly ones very easily falls into non tw skins and should be in community. and we should warn people when turning on community

ah it even in normal lol

13:32

yeah must 100% be community skin xD

And I don't really care if others can use it, so I'd prefer to just block it on my side

i can see a file. but no UI

Do you know that tuzi is actually a community skin

not before we can display skin database in the first place

13:33

also you can just block http requests

another problem is, should the blocking really happen by file name? or better by a sha256 hash. since filenames are not unique if we ever have server side provided skins, then it could even do harm

13:33

e.g. if the mod depends on it

I think strcmp is easier than proxies

tuzi should be community skin

Souly

i still have this one in my skins directory

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/data/skins/bomb.png found it

ddnet/data/skins/bomb.png at master · ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

But santa_tuzi is notmal

its by Ravie and for some reason its not in the database

Normal*

then someone should move it

Souly

its by Ravie and for some reason its not in the database

didnt u just move it to community

13:34

lol

Pioooooo

But santa_tuzi is notmal

sounds like a bug too

compare the skins

13:35

Embedded image

13:35

this is the one in database

the license is wrong too

under the same name

13:35

its so weird

for santa_tuzi & tuzi cat

Souly

Click to see attachment 🖼️

oh lol

13:35

different color

13:35

weird

Souly

compare the skins

id love to know more about skins after im done with all the spec things

Jupstar ✪

sounds like a bug too

Yeah but while I love tuzi I hate to see the ass skin at the same time

Pioooooo

Yeah but while I love tuzi I hate to see the ass skin at the same time

i mean u can always rename a default skin to the ass skin's name

13:37

it's just a bit more annoying to do

Pioooooo

But santa_tuzi is notmal

no idea how that happened

Yeah so that's where a filter works

Nice bot online

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lets just say. im willing to implement a filter. but i need to hear about skin vetting process and make sure database is doing it's thing properly first.

Evelyn

Nice bot online

Fr

what do you mean by database doing its thing properly

in my eye. if any skin makes some people uncomfortable it should be removed. non-tw ones should be community.

TsFreddie

lets just say. im willing to implement a filter. but i need to hear about skin vetting process and make sure database is doing it's thing properly first.

but then don't add it to the config, and use the file hash not the skin name

we can come up with better rules and vetting

Jupstar ✪

but then don't add it to the config, and use the file hash not the skin name

that comes later

I don't think file hash is necessary

i think it is

TsFreddie

in my eye. if any skin makes some people uncomfortable it should be removed. non-tw ones should be community.

well thats also how i see it

also idk why i dragged myself into this tho

Jupstar ✪

but then don't add it to the config, and use the file hash not the skin name

i think it's more about blocking a url.

File name is easier for manual edit imo, for at first I don't expect a good ui

but also not just name tho

TsFreddie

i think it's more about blocking a url.

oh lol

13:41

u want to block the http request?

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

84a0303 send camera type flag to prevent unexpected viewpos and target update - TsFreddie b93c1ee Merge pull request #9318 from TsFreddie/spec-cam-flag - def-

13:41

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9318 Send camera type flag to prevent unexpected viewpos and target update

13:41

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8810 tee aims to bottom right for one tick or so when leaving spec/freeview

Jupstar ✪

u want to block the http request?

i want to make sure if someone blocks a skin by clicking a button , it blocks where the skin comes from. local, url, custom url.

13:42

hash not nessasary in that case i think

13:42

but still

13:43

not until we figure out a rule for skins

13:43

which seems pretty easy but obviously not trivial ie practice

13:43

then we should make a more practical rule

the point is about server provided skins, or generally mod support

How does swarfey work?

Jupstar ✪

the point is about server provided skins, or generally mod support

ill design it in one go and vet everything

13:45

if it changes somehow bcs i designed a shitty system, i'll send you my nude as an apology

ez

TsFreddie

if it changes somehow bcs i designed a shitty system, i'll send you my nude as an apology

doesnt count if i didnt pr anything tho

13:47

kek

It's defs weird that we have to block ddnet provided content already

13:51

lmao

13:51

hard times

oh damn, deen merged the playerflag

Jupstar ✪

It's defs weird that we have to block ddnet provided content already

lets just pretend it is to protect skins.tw users

13:52

hence the url thing

TsFreddie

oh damn, deen merged the playerflag

does that break anti bot? xd

Jupstar ✪

does that break anti bot? xd

thats what ive been thinkg

13:52

i need to go outside i thought id tag heinrich and murpi after im home

also mods

13:53

at least antibot can be fixed on our end

Yep, I just got banned on noby fng for nonstandard client (flags=33) ;DDD

greenthing

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KEKW

2

lol

left click doesn't spectate closest player anymore

13:57

in 18.8 rc1

shoot. did i messed this up too

13:58

ill check asap

13:58

oh btw

13:59

in demo you need to get out of follow mode to do that now. i can improve the handling but it's a bit more complicated

not in demo now

then it is a bug

13:59

ill check

14:02

does everyone else get stressful for PRs or is it just me lol

i only get stressed when i get a mention on a PR i didnt do kekw

kekw

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I get stressed when I look on my system clock

14:22

december already T_T

<blackkent> lol

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9319 Fix spectate closest

I don't know how this happened. :/

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://gi...

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9319/files

14:43

I should stop juggling branches to work on multiple things at once

14:44

a.k.a i just fix my ADHD

14:45

I feel like I'm tripple checking codes, builds and ci for every pr. but it still happens

i think the contrast before was easier to see

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14:50

tho i couldn't remember how was that

14:51

also how can i spectate myself

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spectate takes a clientID

14:52

cl_show_ids 1 and then enter your clientID which you can see in your scoreboard

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this feels bad

you can ofc just leave spectator mode :P

waiting the revert

maybe it is time to not care about adding config for adding yourself back into the menu?

14:56

i kinda liked the avoid adding configs for tiny stuff approach

Pioooooo

also how can i spectate myself

assuming it is for disabling prediction right?

for showing im afk while watching myself

wait did we not have a /afk or was it removed

15:00

i think maybe i have brain damage

its proposed several times

TsFreddie

it comes from player keep asking me why they cant move camera when pausing

i think disabling prediction is a better use case that i can accept being reasonable for spectating yourself. but i'd like to remove new player's confusion as much as possible. let me think of something else

<blackkent> Hi everyone how to make teeworlds-pkg ai in java script if it's not a secret

@Learath2 hi, got time?

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9319 Fix spectate closest

15:26

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9320 invalid index-pack output when i try to git clona repository...

new problem on ubuntu 24.04 arm64.... why its so difficult...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9317 Hide skins

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

e0a47f3 Update translations for upcoming 18.8 - def- 10640ec Merge pull request #9313 from def-/pr-18.8-transl - Robyt3

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9313 Update translations for upcoming 18.8

15:45

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

b452636 Bump nightly version to 18.9 - def- 884de60 Update credits - def- b78734e Merge pull request #9315 from def-/pr-18.9-bump - Robyt3

15:45

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9315 Bump nightly version to 18.9

TsFreddie

@Learath2 hi, got time?

Im outside

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9321 Use proper version compatibilty check for PLAYERFLAG_SPEC_CAM

As requested https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/9318#issuecomment-2511868737 Tested with new client joining new server and old client joining new server.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[x] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ...

Learath2

Im outside

nouis

alright, enjoy your day. i'll find another time

@deen Is it intentional that the app name includes the version? For the final website release the app name on the home screen should only be "DDNet" and the version "18.8". (edited)

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@Tater @Pioooooo do you guys think you would perfer auto cancel self spectating or a command/bind. for auto cancel, the next time you pause it would go into freeview if you are previously spectating yourself.

16:05

i think just a bind might be more comfortable if you pause a lot right?

i'd like how it was and actually don't like to add random binds

16:06

auto cancel is for me

if tater says otherwise i'll just revert it and add some visual effects when you go in and out of freeview

Learath2

Im outside

traitor

16:11

im on a island

16:11

its 24C

Ryozuki

im on a island

are you participating in a mrbeast challenge

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fb640a6 rework pointer - TsFreddie e48cbff Merge pull request #9301 from TsFreddie/pointer_rework - Robyt3

16:16

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9301 Fix Tele Commands during Dyncam Zoom and Make Aiming Consistent across Zoom Levels

Robyt3

@deen Is it intentional that the app name includes the version? For the final website release the app name on the home screen should only be "DDNet" and the version "18.8". (edited)

I think that's how you wrote it in your guide. Will change for rc2

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9294 Cursor/Target Position Sent to Server is Wrong when using Dyncam

16:16

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8452 Don't send mouse target in zoomed state

16:16

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8666 fix /tc with dyn

See TW_VERSION_NAME in https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8550#issuecomment-2463130180

oxyzo

are you participating in a mrbeast challenge

no i went to gf familiy, in canary islands

16:18

im returning home today tho

16:18

ddnet android pog

deen

See TW_VERSION_NAME in https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8550#issuecomment-2463130180

It looks like you set TW_VERSION_NAME to DDNet-18.8-rc1, anything after "Version" in the Android UI is the user-defined version string

dab on those iphone users

16:19

dab

Not sure if it was really worth it to put the app name as a command argument, that's supposed to be for forks

You had export TW_VERSION_NAME=DDNet-18.7-20241101 in the comment I linked, so I wasn't sure if it's required or not

Ah, my bad

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9322 Update Simplified Chinese translations for upcoming 18.8

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

sleeping gn

<ChillerDragon> gn freddie

@Souly We currently also have non-ascii character named skins in the db (only a few tho) https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24creator%3Acammodude I think for the international community it's best to stay with english only, what are your thoughts? We'd probably need to add a check to the ddnet bot to prevent such names then too

Jupstar ✪

@Souly We currently also have non-ascii character named skins in the db (only a few tho) https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24creator%3Acammodude I think for the international community it's best to stay with english only, what are your thoughts? We'd probably need to add a check to the ddnet bot to prevent such names then too

i strongly agree

i abandoned ocaml, im trying gleam now

Ryozuki

i abandoned ocaml, im trying gleam now

will you solve one riddle on your gpu

wot

18:33

gleam is not gpu

18:33

it compiles to BEAM (erlang) or js

but that doesnt answer my question xd

but it has rust-like tooling

18:34

no idk shaders

18:34

i need to learn them in depth someday

Jupstar ✪

@Souly We currently also have non-ascii character named skins in the db (only a few tho) https://ddnet.org/skins/index.php?search=%24creator%3Acammodude I think for the international community it's best to stay with english only, what are your thoughts? We'd probably need to add a check to the ddnet bot to prevent such names then too

@murpi u think it would be hard to add a simple check for that in the bot? doesn't hurry, but if u have some todo list add it there xd

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9323 where i need to paste my skins in ddnet flatpak?

i paste my skins everywhere! in .local/share/ddnet, in .teeworlds and in my home directory but my skin isnt shown in the list of skins!

18:50

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9323 where i need to paste my skins in ddnet flatpak?

this str is not internationalized?

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Open a PR

It's localized in the code, but I guess it breaks the language script because of the escaped quotes. Easiest would be to switch to single quotes (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #9320 invalid index-pack output when i try to git clona repository...

feels weird having the same image being used for editor and console

19:22

i was using a semi transparent image for editor earlier

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19:22

but doing the same now results in a weird looking console

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wow

19:23

new consoles

<blackkent> @Souly this is bag lol

️

Souly

but doing the same now results in a weird looking console

oh wtf that looks kind of cool

hard to read text sometimes tho

20:02

especially when opening it in server browser

Souly

i was using a semi transparent image for editor earlier

what file did you replace?

background_noise.png

i can't even find this file xd

20:58

ok found

@Jupstar ✪ you know how you want different skins to have different sounds?

21:02

is it too early to try and sorta, make sounds for

skin?

21:02

i wanna do something fun and im bored

make a walking sound for tees

theres already one

21:03

its unused

ok it's very funny

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21:03

or this is for something else

zhn

ok it's very funny

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why did you switch it to that

the only 128x128bpng i found in game folder

now switch it to twinbop with boobs ddnet_lgbt

ddnet_lgbt

zhn

the only 128x128bpng i found in game folder

It should just load images of any size

Robyt3

It should just load images of any size

oh

justatest

21:09

furry comes

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9324 Fix hook collisions preview string not being localizable

Use single quotes as the localization script does not support strings containing escaped double quotes.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] ...

Robyt3

It should just load images of any size

why does it affect default console.png though

console.png does not exist anymore

justatest

21:12

why

i ate it

replaced with background_noise.png (edited)

but what if i want different bgs for console and editor justatest

justatest

zhn

but what if i want different bgs for console and editor justatest

justatest

NO

https://www.khronos.org/news/press/khronos-streamlines-development-and-deployment-of-gpu-accelerated-applications-with-vulkan-1.4 @Jupstar ✪

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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

422e6b7 Update translation stats - def-

the new background color for selected completion is really hard to see

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22:00

especially as i have a not very good monitor that displays dark part almost all the same (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9322 Update Simplified & Traditional Chinese translations for upcoming 18.8

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75f9694 Update Simplified & Traditional Chinese translations for upcoming 18.8 - ASKLL-STAR 312dd32 Merge pull request #9322 from ASKLL-STAR/patch-1 - def-

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

1ea9d86 Fix hook collisions preview string not being localizable - Robyt3 a457042 Merge pull request #9324 from Robyt3/Client-Localize-Single-Quotes - def-

22:19

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9324 Fix hook collisions preview string not being localizable

For translations, do they have to be exact or make sense in the language?

22:43

For example (romanian)

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22:44

"Emoticon" would best be translated and understood as itself, it's a borrowed word in our language anyway, and "figurine" doesn't make sense, if anything "emoji" would make more sense, but I'm not sure if it's alright to call an emote an emoji, I see them as the same thing, but others might not (edited)

Sans

For translations, do they have to be exact or make sense in the language?

to make sense

alright

Emoticon isn't the same as emoji btw, they're not synonyms

my point exactly

22:48

i didnt dig enough into the differences between emotes and emojis

22:49

and i reckon im not the only one kekw

kekw

You can't translate everything one to one If I had to read dummy as Attrappe in German I'd quit the game monkaStop

monkaStop

i cant tell if i should laugh

22:49

at any rate, "Emoticon" like I said is best translated in romanian as "Emoticon" :))

Listen to the pronunciation of Attrappe

Is there a way to get context for translations? Here either "salt", "săritură" or "sari" fits, but without context it's hard to pick one

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Are these the newly added translations for mobile ?

22:55

Because then it's just the jump button

could be

23:00

Salt works best without context, tho might sound weird if it's used in something like "Jump over this obstacle" "Salt peste acest obstacol" (Correct form would "Sari" here)

Best it to just check the settings/controls tab for these strings. If you know your editor/console you could just grep for it Localize("Jump" (edited)

@meloƞ ur so smart owo

owo

23:04

I will not eat you for this

<blackkent> what your error bro?

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