DDraceNetwork - developer

lol

00:00

its just a game mode

Denzyve

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Give me tunes

00:17

Plis

montikboom

Give me tunes

i bought it:(

Denzyve

i bought it:(

......

https://teero888.github.io/tune_calculator/ (edited)

1

yea, i was so lazy to do myself

Solly

https://teero888.github.io/tune_calculator/ (edited)

wow

Denzyve

i bought it:(

Pizdec

^ i hope that means idiot in russian

Solly

https://teero888.github.io/tune_calculator/ (edited)

but not so good

Denzyve

but not so good

I using this tunes

00:19

I mean

00:19

I will use

its maths theres not multiple ways to do it

00:19

and also you can just pull tunes from any server

for example an air jump impulse so low

whats your server ip?

Denzyve

for example an air jump impulse so low

yes, that's because it's the correct value

you need to adjust the values by hand a little bit

1

if you've got a higher ground or air jump impulse with the same gravity then you're making the jump too high (edited)

but on server it dont very good looks

i guess that is fair

hook speed also is usually much higher

1

Tater

hook speed also is usually much higher

Where?

I made a few maps with slow tune years ago lol

Hook speed higher than 80 is brokey for some reason

Tater

I made a few maps with slow tune years ago lol

I have it

Tater

I made a few maps with slow tune years ago lol

W map

i started a six servers slownets btw

00:22

idk why

Denzyve

i started a six servers slownets btw

I started the SlowNET hype btw

montikboom

I started the SlowNET hype btw

its so good

Console()->Register("tunes", "", CFGFLAG_SERVER, ConTunes, this, "List all tuning variables and their values"); ->

    Console()->Register("tunes", "", CFGFLAG_CLIENT | CFGFLAG_SERVER, ConTunes, this, "List all tuning variables and their values");

:) (edited)

00:22

its part of the base game x-x

Solly

its part of the base game x-x

Server or client?

oh wait u can only do it on server

Denzyve

its so good

We are now cooperating with [GS] servers btw

montikboom

We are now cooperating with [GS] servers btw

good

Solly

oh wait u can only do it on server

there command in F1 to see all tunes on server

im evil

montikboom

there command in F1 to see all tunes on server

This is how I got the tunes that were sold for $2

what a hustle

montikboom

This is how I got the tunes that were sold for $2

And still selling

These IDIOTS oh god

00:24

like literally it's just maths

some math is worth money

and like, middle school physics

probably not the tunes

Tater

probably not the tunes

This is 900 lines of code to get slow

00:25

U just don't understand

?

00:25

what

00:26

you don't need 900 lines

Tater

?

you need to write 900+ lines of code

00:26

To get slow

the entire website is less than 500 lines including the html and css

Tater

the entire website is less than 500 lines including the html and css

no u need to re-create whole ddnet server to get slow

If we're just doing tunes then you only need a few more lines than the number of tunes... I'd get if you're actually doing hacks on the server side to lower tick rate while pretending to the client that you're running a normal 50 tick server

montikboom

no u need to re-create whole ddnet server to get slow

u just don't understand

You do NOT need to recreate the server, you just write a fancy little mod

risu

You do NOT need to recreate the server, you just write a fancy little mod

No, u need to recreate whole ddnet server, dll's and the client (edited)

You mean recompile?

risu

You mean recompile?

No, I know to get slow u need to create own os, own pc, own router, own server, own client

ok ok yeah now I get it

00:29

make sure to collect your own silicon sand and refine it by hand

bro wtf is slownet

it's possible you could do empirical tests by randomly adjusting the tune values and comparing it to a real modified tickrate to get tunes that are actually more accurate, due to quantization differences

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00:30

but I doubt they do that

I don't think the tune precision allows you to even take into account differences that small

ground_control_speed 5.00
ground_control_accel 0.50
ground_friction 0.71
ground_jump_impulse 6.60
air_jump_impulse 6.00
air_control_speed 2.50
air_control_accel 0.38
air_friction 0.97
hook_length 380.00
hook_fire_speed 80.00
hook_drag_accel 0.75
hook_drag_speed 7.50
gravity 0.13
velramp_start 275.00
velramp_range 1000.00
velramp_curvature 1.40
gun_curvature 0.00
gun_speed 1400.00
gun_lifetime 2.00
shotgun_curvature 1.25
shotgun_speed 2750.00
shotgun_speeddiff 0.80
shotgun_lifetime 0.20
grenade_curvature 7.00
grenade_speed 1000.00
grenade_lifetime 2.00
laser_reach 800.00
laser_bounce_delay 150.00
laser_bounce_num 1000.00
laser_bounce_cost 0.00
laser_damage 5.00
player_collision 1.00
player_hooking 1.00
jetpack_strength 0.00
shotgun_strength 10.00
explosion_strength 6.00
hammer_strength 0.30
hook_duration 1.25
hammer_fire_delay 125.00
gun_fire_delay 125.00
shotgun_fire_delay 500.00
grenade_fire_delay 500.00
laser_fire_delay 800.00
ninja_fire_delay 800.00
hammer_hit_fire_delay 320.00
ground_elasticity_x 0.00
ground_elasticity_y 0.00

risu

I don't think the tune precision allows you to even take into account differences that small

it kinda does

00:31

the quantization differences are very large

Solly

ground_control_speed 5.00
ground_control_accel 0.50
ground_friction 0.71
ground_jump_impulse 6.60
air_jump_impulse 6.00
air_control_speed 2.50
air_control_accel 0.38
air_friction 0.97
hook_length 380.00
hook_fire_speed 80.00
hook_drag_accel 0.75
hook_drag_speed 7.50
gravity 0.13
velramp_start 275.00
velramp_range 1000.00
velramp_curvature 1.40
gun_curvature 0.00
gun_speed 1400.00
gun_lifetime 2.00
shotgun_curvature 1.25
shotgun_speed 2750.00
shotgun_speeddiff 0.80
shotgun_lifetime 0.20
grenade_curvature 7.00
grenade_speed 1000.00
grenade_lifetime 2.00
laser_reach 800.00
laser_bounce_delay 150.00
laser_bounce_num 1000.00
laser_bounce_cost 0.00
laser_damage 5.00
player_collision 1.00
player_hooking 1.00
jetpack_strength 0.00
shotgun_strength 10.00
explosion_strength 6.00
hammer_strength 0.30
hook_duration 1.25
hammer_fire_delay 125.00
gun_fire_delay 125.00
shotgun_fire_delay 500.00
grenade_fire_delay 500.00
laser_fire_delay 800.00
ninja_fire_delay 800.00
hammer_hit_fire_delay 320.00
ground_elasticity_x 0.00
ground_elasticity_y 0.00

We knew that

montikboom

We knew that

u didnt have to pay 2 quid for it x-x

Souly

bro wtf is slownet

Hyped server which I started

Solly

u didnt have to pay 2 quid for it x-x

I DID NOT PAID FOR THAT

00:32

I got that from F1 command

funny

theres not a client side get tunes command

00:33

is there?

Denzyve

funny

Govirit chel kotoriy zaplatil za tuni

Solly

is there?

Yes

kinda weird to play cuz it doesnt feel like actual slow

what is it

Solly

what is it

Why do u need that

you can do dbg_tuning 1

2

montikboom

Govirit chel kotoriy zaplatil za tuni

allo mne len bilo delat ix, mne voobshe deneg ne zalko

and then enable debug mode

00:34

nvm no need to enable debug mode

Denzyve

allo mne len bilo delat ix, mne voobshe deneg ne zalko

Za besplatnie tuni

y menya dostatochno deneg

00:34

i che?

00:34

mne voobse pox, ya poluchil to chto xotel

00:35

i rad

Souly

you can do dbg_tuning 1

U can also disable that on server, but players can't use antiping and prediction if there any tune changes

why would you want not to send tuning info lol

Souly

why would you want not to send tuning info lol

To donat leak it lal

montikboom

To donat leak it lal

Some geniuses leaking this tunes like "I'm hacker, I got tunes from websit

"

i dont understand whats so fascinating about all of this

00:38

neither do i understand whats so hard in making tunes like this

montikboom

Some geniuses leaking this tunes like "I'm hacker, I got tunes from websit

"

genius

oh lol its all based on ddnet++

Souly

oh lol its all based on ddnet++

Ddnet++ have bugs

Souly

neither do i understand whats so hard in making tunes like this

The kind of people who can't bother to do basic math are also the kind of people who would play an easier version of the game rather than spend time practicing

Souly

bro wtf is slownet

nation of retardation

yrrrmmbl

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9280 make specteam a client option

add an option to spec team members only in freeview (clientside)

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or v...

zhn

nation of retardation

nice rhyme

i have no other words for such a phenomenon

01:33

even block servers had some kind of real reasons to war with each other

01:34

there it's just... spreading tunes that are available to everyone? eh

01:35

and still no real attempt to make an actual "slow" tickrate (maybe there's, ping if i have missed something)

zhn

and still no real attempt to make an actual "slow" tickrate (maybe there's, ping if i have missed something)

Well I could make a server like that but why the effort

I could do that too but my only motivation is simply doing it out of spite towards these noobs thinking tunes are magic (edited)

01:39

I wouldn't really have much use for it I guess having accurate slowmo collisions would be valuable for trying certain things out in slow motion

01:39

turns out it's not totally useless as a practice tool

zhn

and still no real attempt to make an actual "slow" tickrate (maybe there's, ping if i have missed something)

u need client support for that

risu

I wouldn't really have much use for it I guess having accurate slowmo collisions would be valuable for trying certain things out in slow motion

Accurate slowmo collisions? What are you talking about. Just only use tunes so the client prediction isn't broken. The serverside should use real slowmo

Teero

Accurate slowmo collisions? What are you talking about. Just only use tunes so the client prediction isn't broken. The serverside should use real slowmo

Yes that's what I was thinking of doing

01:45

I was saying that the biggest value of making real slowmo would be fixing the collision issue, because that's the most noticeable problem

risu

I was saying that the biggest value of making real slowmo would be fixing the collision issue, because that's the most noticeable problem

quantization is a bigger problem imo but yes

I don't care about correct discretization of time because I'm not trying to like make TASes

01:46

it just needs to feel about right

what to do if it says the server has not responded yet?

01:54

?

is it a ger10 server

no

01:55

Redcastle

probably the server, nothing u can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

how do others play?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01:56

do other servers work

yes

01:57

I can't come here

Fantik

I can't come here

Solly

u need client support for that

not really, simulating slow tickrates possible with current one

02:04

especially 25 ticks 10 ticks 5 ticks...

Fantik

how do others play?

where are you from?

Ukraine

zhn

not really, simulating slow tickrates possible with current one

how

02:06

my client bugs out when u just decrease tickrate (edited)

Fantik

Ukraine

server is located in russia, ur isp blocks outgoing connection and so does isp of server but with incoming ukr connections

02:07

so your only solution to use vpn

Solly

my client bugs out when u just decrease tickrate (edited)

You need to interpolate and create fake ticks server side

risu

You need to interpolate and create fake ticks server side

prediction will still fail

Solly

my client bugs out when u just decrease tickrate (edited)

ive talked about slowing down physics, not tickrate of both parts

Solly

prediction will still fail

also send the client tunes that match the slowdown

you can simulate 2x slowdown with default 50 tps

risu

also send the client tunes that match the slowdown

that doesnt fix it?

risu

also send the client tunes that match the slowdown

just ask client to not use prediction kekw

Solly

that doesnt fix it?

Doesn't? Why not?

risu

Doesn't? Why not?

a tiny tickrate difference screws up prediction

theres little hack to do it but i don't know if im allowed to share it :p

Solly

that doesnt fix it?

If you have a low ping it fixes it. Since you receive enough snaps

and the error of setting tunes probably makes it no twork

zhn

server is located in russia, ur isp blocks outgoing connection and so does isp of server but with incoming ukr connections

how my friend plays?

Solly

a tiny tickrate difference screws up prediction

That's why you send 50 ticks to the client even if only 25 of those ticks actually happened server side

Solly

and the error of setting tunes probably makes it no twork

I would guess it is still better than normally

Fantik

how my friend plays?

his isp lets outgoing connection to this russian isp

risu

That's why you send 50 ticks to the client even if only 25 of those ticks actually happened server side

No, the server only sends 25tps in any case

risu

That's why you send 50 ticks to the client even if only 25 of those ticks actually happened server side

im saying the difference between 50 ticks with tunes and 25 ticks is enough to screw up prediction

02:10

or atleast thats what i think

just disable pred troll

zhn

just disable pred troll

boo

you can do so server side too btw

server does prediction?

Solly

im saying the difference between 50 ticks with tunes and 25 ticks is enough to screw up prediction

it might be a bit jittery but over here we play with good ping

Solly

server does prediction?

no, i meansl server can control clients prediction behavior

02:13

in very rusty way but whatever

risu

it might be a bit jittery but over here we play with good ping

with the 1 wide gores that are on slownet servers, a bit of jitter = annoyinh death all the time

zhn

no, i meansl server can control clients prediction behavior

oh... but removing prediction makes it unplayable for alot of people

no it actually doesnt

02:14

specially if you are playing at 0.5x speed xd

02:14

e*

zhn

specially if you are playing at 0.5x speed xd

oh yeah i guess idk about that

02:14

for normal servers doing precise anything with 50+ ping or higher is different

02:15

it feels icky

02:15

but with prediction up to 100 if fine x-x

02:15

i mean was playing 250 with some person and it was fine except they had to be static for me to hook them

i don't really play with default pred since im a proud antiping user so

The game is very playable at 150-ish ping as long as you train your friends to move predictably when you're trying to hook them

cant you just use cheat engine or something to slow the game locally?

antiping did let me to play on chn server back then with 300 ping

Souly

cant you just use cheat engine or something to slow the game locally?

u can slow down the game and server, but u can also just change the tickrate on both

but they are skilled enough now to kill lagging bag of balls

Solly

u can slow down the game and server, but u can also just change the tickrate on both

or you can slowdown it server side kekeke

zhn

i don't really play with default pred since im a proud antiping user so

I play on US with 130 ping like half of the time so I'm also a big antiping enjoyer

zhn

or you can slowdown it server side kekeke

and client will go AAAAAAA

Solly

and client will go AAAAAAA

no, since i don't change net tickrate

02:19

only physics are being slowed down

....

02:20

cheat engine slow down or any speed hack works by replacing the library functions which return time

02:20

which makes the server run as if it is at 25 ticks/second if u were to slow it down to 50%

i didn't get the reference honestly

?

zhn

no, since i don't change net tickrate

what exactly you wanted to say in contrary of this xd

02:21

your dots are angry justatest

my dots are disapointed

02:21

assuming you didnt know that speed hacks worked by changing how the program sees time

My speed hacks work by replacing the quartz crystal used by my CPU clock

risu

My speed hacks work by replacing the quartz crystal used by my CPU clock

.... (these are angry dots)

my solution (and probably teeros too since i don't there's more than 1 good approach to this exact thing) doesn't have to use any time hacks

"ah yes let me reduce my clock speed by 2x, that will decrease the tickrate" (ass argument)

i don't think*

zhn

my solution (and probably teeros too since i don't there's more than 1 good approach to this exact thing) doesn't have to use any time hacks

Hey it's my solution too :)

our solution

We all have the same obvious solution and Solly seems to disagree about whether it'd work before even trying

risu

We all have the same obvious solution and Solly seems to disagree about whether it'd work before even trying

because the reduce tickrate by half and tell the client is easy x-x

nah they just thought of changing exactly tickrate

risu

We all have the same obvious solution and Solly seems to disagree about whether it'd work before even trying

youre welcome to try but its alot of effort to do it your way

they don't understand what we want to do xd

(and i aint doing it)

Solly

youre welcome to try but its alot of effort to do it your way

Well completing the actual variable tickrate PR is also a lot of work

zhn

they don't understand what we want to do xd

make tunes halve speed, but on server actually run at 25tps and interpolate

risu

Well completing the actual variable tickrate PR is also a lot of work

ive already done it x-x

ok so then get it merged >:)

Solly

make tunes halve speed, but on server actually run at 25tps and interpolate

make tunes tickrate dependent*

zhn

make tunes tickrate dependent*

and if youre going for half speed, stick 0.5 in teeros epic tune calculator

risu

ok so then get it merged >:)

its sortof a tas tool so it cant

02:28

it works perfeclty if the tickrate doesnt change mid session, if you do then prediction messes up for some time

Is it a significant length of time?

depends on the difference between the start and end tickrate

I'd expect it to only take like a fraction of a second...

but if you set it at start then there is no prediction to mess up

risu

I'd expect it to only take like a fraction of a second...

its my crummy implementation rather than an actual restriction

Is prediction based on a long period of previous ticks, not just the couple latest ones received?

Solly

its sortof a tas tool so it cant

its not precise enough i think

zhn

its not precise enough i think

if you just half the tickrate then yes it is, you can play the map at half tick rate, save demo, replay on full speed

risu

Is prediction based on a long period of previous ticks, not just the couple latest ones received?

i dont actually know why it messes up, it just does

your latency is the biggest factor in messing up prediction, tick rate only matters because it affects your average latency.

Tater

your latency is the biggest factor in messing up prediction, tick rate only matters because it affects your average latency.

oh oke

well

02:33

I guess if the server is using inaccurate physics then the tick rate would matter a little bit more (edited)

02:34

but you would be desyncing on every single tick so it would be pretty bad either way (edited)

Tater

your latency is the biggest factor in messing up prediction, tick rate only matters because it affects your average latency.

Ohhh, that makes perfect sense I remember spending a fair bit of time working on latency estimates that one time I wrote proper netcode for a little game thing

<ChillerDragon> @montikboom what bugs did you find in ddnet++?

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @montikboom what bugs did you find in ddnet++?

When you are in another Team, you can vote for any server setting, and if you are alone in the Team then it will be applied instantly

montikboom

When you are in another Team, you can vote for any server setting, and if you are alone in the Team then it will be applied instantly

This is one of the bugs, there may be others, but I didn't try to look for them.

montikboom

When you are in another Team, you can vote for any server setting, and if you are alone in the Team then it will be applied instantly

are these votes supposed to be team-wide?

zhn

are these votes supposed to be team-wide?

I didn't understand

Solly

if you just half the tickrate then yes it is, you can play the map at half tick rate, save demo, replay on full speed

what do u mean when u say tick rate

ChillerDragon

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9281 Document input variables

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/2fa3d667572e8b8a92dc54b8da63d93e058a633a/src/game/server/entities/character.h#L135-L144 The server has 6 different variables for player input and only 3 of them have a vague comment explaining their purpose. There should be a documentation comment above all 6 explaining their use case and differences. The most recent undocumented one that was introduced by ddnet is m_SavedInput. Apparently to "[make 1-tick unfreeze reliable](https://github.com/ddne...

louis

what do u mean when u say tick rate

ticks/second

i wonder if tunes can perfectly replicate halved speed for everything except collisions

04:32

probably not because a lot of calculations are interpolated between ticks

louis

i wonder if tunes can perfectly replicate halved speed for everything except collisions

non

normal clients wouldn't go crazy though, i think your position would only get desynced on a few niche events

04:35

+ the slower the multiplier is the less you'd be able to tell

quantization is rough

04:37

you only get 32 positions per tile

04:38

so if you have really low gravity you basically just float in a horizontal line

1

i bet you could probably run at 1/5 speed and just teleport the player to each new tick 10 times a second instead of actually sending the physics

04:39

then if you have cl_predict 0 on client your movements would register on the next tick under 100 ping? i'm not sure if that works

04:40

you'd be playing in 10 frames per second though

louis

you'd be playing in 10 frames per second though

low framerate is a whole lot less noticeable when the movement is very slow

youd be heavily relying on intra tick aiming (not a problem) (edited)

When I skimmed some of the code I think I saw places where values are truncated instead of rounded? Which is obviously extra bad for very small velocities and accelerations

ddnet-maps

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src/engine/client/input.cpp:302:21: error: ‘class IEngineGraphics’ has no member named ‘GetWindowPos’; did you mean ‘SetWindowParams’?
  302 |         Graphics()->GetWindowPos(Pos.x, Pos.y);
      |                     ^~~~~~~~~~~~
      |                     SetWindowParams

class IEngineGraphics : public IGraphics

class IGraphics : public IInterface
{
...
public:
...
    void WindowGetPos(int &x, int &y);
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}

05:32

i call bullshit

05:33

i also have dyxlexia

05:33

nice

Anime-pdf

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9109 Highlight all search items

@Anime.pdf ):

First time using a lot of lifetimes in rust and it just works lol

def-

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

498ae08 New CHN5/10 - def-

09:44

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

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09:44

def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9234 Ensure integer wrapping instead of preventing overflow/underflow

09:50

def-

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Denzyve

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Robyt3

The maximum length for vote descriptions is 63 bytes in UTF-8

thanks

I wonder if it's possible to ddos the master server by frequently rejoining a lot of servers.

11:07

looking at the current spambot situation

What the fuck is that speedtile bug? Is this a known issue? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1310020925722198067/1310202689191284847 (edited)

Tee goes brrr?

Tee goes flying out of bounds

1

11:21

or hits wall

Assa

What the fuck is that speedtile bug? Is this a known issue? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1310020925722198067/1310202689191284847 (edited)

no access, what test channel is this ?

map submission channel for kingsleap

11:30

you might need to react on this message to see it: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1201860080463511612/1246863270237704202

oh this bug, quite old one

11:31

it's used to reach secret room in Cosyris

This is the worst one I have seen in a long time

probably some /0 somewhere

11:32

looks very similar to the sg bug

Chairn

probably some /0 somewhere

y

and how do I fix that?

11:43

just removing all speedtiles from the sides and ajacent corners?

sides and corners

can you trigger this with every speed?

11:45

proabably

Going out of bounds with any speed? What bug even

see video linked above

It’s discord only

Am I allowed to post videos here?

sure

chillerdragon

It’s discord only

@ChillerDragon new bridge?

<SollyBunny> test

sometimes i am on matrix for example on my phone or when i want to see some images

o

thanks for the effort assa but that did not work either

<ChillerDragon> i actually prefer irc's image support over matrix image support https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1732450393.png

irc one just posts the discord cdn link right?

<ChillerDragon> yea that used to work just fine until discord started blocking users without accounts from accessing images

12:15

<ChillerDragon> but in general the idea of irc not supporting images gives the responsibility of posting valid image urls to the user and it usually just works

12:16

<ChillerDragon> while in matrix you get a bunch of "an error occured" messages and then you have to find the right matrix client that can actually send AND receive images correctly

12:16

poor chiller

why would discord do that

<ChillerDragon> iirc that was part of some effort in fighting the abuse of discord as free cloud storage

it was really abusable before tho

<ChillerDragon> it really was

12:18

<ChillerDragon> and github still is btw

12:19

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/52ff1464-f0dc-4a88-96f1-f4d0db7c6d0f

12:19

<ChillerDragon> aws probably appreciates this

12:20

<ChillerDragon> works without being logged into a github account

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I have monetized ddnet

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wow so cool

Evelyn

I have monetized ddnet

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gratz, send money to deen to keep at least 2 rus servers running

13:32

Evelyn

I have monetized ddnet

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if that's true, you're a horrible person pepeW

(edited)

help, i cant compile ddnet

13:49

[cmake] CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:646 (message): [cmake] You must install Rust and Cargo to compile DDNet

13:49

but i have rust

pls send me money for my support

14:09

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9282 Show size of images in editor images list and file browser

!screenshot_2024-11-24_14-47-08 !screenshot_2024-11-24_14-47-15

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[X] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[...

lio

but i have rust

Install via rustup: https://rustup.rs/ (edited)

rustup.rs - The Rust toolchain installer

The Rust toolchain installer

still error

<ChillerDragon> @lio still the same error? what operating system are you on? which code base are you trying to compile?

crystal linux

14:39

archbased

What output do you get when you execute rustup show?

when i run apt install vulkan-utils on linux i get "Unable to locate package vulkan-utils" any idea how i can fix this ?

Try vulkan-tools

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

ee61be2 Show size of images in editor images list and file browser - Robyt3 f27be05 Merge pull request #9282 from Robyt3/Editor-Image-Size-Label - def-

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def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9282 Show size of images in editor images list and file browser

i love you aliucord

meloƞ

if that's true, you're a horrible person pepeW

(edited)

Idk, I think there are responsible ways to monetize free software

they took a game being developed over 15 years that's FOSS, and put stuff behind a paywall, whatever that may be monkaStop

(edited)

16:11

and afaict, they took ddnet++, which is a fork from chiller, mixed it up, didnt code anything themselfs, and then stated they monetized it :/ (edited)

if we monetize ddnet i think itd be a good idea to make it its own project and not a mod of teeworlds like, start from scratch. make it similar but different enough where its more than "ddnet 2"

Voxel

if we monetize ddnet i think itd be a good idea to make it its own project and not a mod of teeworlds like, start from scratch. make it similar but different enough where its more than "ddnet 2"

jupsti's dd-pg will be that, but he doesn't intend to be able to join and work on our current servers

16:12

it's a full rewrite in rust

LOL

yeah sorry ._.

nono its fine

Voxel

if we monetize ddnet i think itd be a good idea to make it its own project and not a mod of teeworlds like, start from scratch. make it similar but different enough where its more than "ddnet 2"

ddnet remake in scratch

but yeah realistically speaking i think using that language would be nice for a rewrite

cyberfighter 2

ddnet remake in scratch

laggiest shit ever

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

i guess its like this because all of our ideas are too unique and would make management harder

hmm, yeah that makes sense. something like a community workshop would be great, it would be something that the maintainers have to accept once, and everything happening outside is "do and use at your own risk" with the only requirement being that it's open source and properly packaged to be available (to prevent scripting and whatnot) you could modularize a lot of features, like tater's bindwheel, or stormax's console Visual effects

16:19

but that would require either a modular scripting language support like javascript, or a way to properly attach/detach these things during runtime - (basically a lot of work) (edited)

or better yet texture packs

meloƞ

but that would require either a modular scripting language support like javascript, or a way to properly attach/detach these things during runtime - (basically a lot of work) (edited)

Lua. Lua is the traditional and most based embedded scripting language

16:27

Python is also an option

how the fck did i mention javascript, yes i meant lua kekw

Just please god not JS

my brain isn't braining today (edited)

16:29

an old client had LUA scripting which was really cool, but just allowing it would result in people writing scripts giving them an advantage

16:29

so that's a no go ig

I would probably take ts over python tbh with you

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

Bcs only roby/deen review and merge

16:40

Which takes a lot of time with any change other than bugfix

Would signed plugins be a dumb idea? Sure it wouldn't stop anyone who seriously wants to cheat but it'll at least make for a very clear line between not cheating and potentially cheating

ath is still a thing btw

zhn

ath is still a thing btw

but they removed lua support a few years ago, didnt they?

meloƞ

but they removed lua support a few years ago, didnt they?

why so

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

my understanding of why ddpg is being worked on is cuz jupstars philosophy to the game is a lot different than the current maintainers

zhn

why so

because they wanted to be a legit client

16:53

lua support was abused

meloƞ

because they wanted to be a legit client

they just adjusted their api so old scripts don't work now

16:56

lua api is still there afair

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

also i think its easier for people to make their own clients than make a good feature that ddnet clients needs

16:59

a lot of the custom clients have niche features that benefit a smaller subset of the community

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

I think the big problem with a rewrite is the effort required to avoid unintentional physics changes, and even small changes to the feel due to animation or input system changes

17:49

Look at osu!lazer for an example, they've been working on perfecting the parity for years yet there are still plenty of people unwilling to switch

17:50

some are just mad about the menus having changed...

meloƞ

if that's true, you're a horrible person pepeW

(edited)

Why? For a symbolic $ 0.5, I help to fully configure the server and launch it. I help with the choice of hosting and so on, I answer all the questions that I can answer.

18:20

And I'm doing this for a Russian-speaking audience

18:21

I think not all Russians will be interested in sitting in the developer channel or translating github pages

Evelyn

I think not all Russians will be interested in sitting in the developer channel or translating github pages

Translate skill issue

Evelyn

I have monetized ddnet

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A lot of peoples already did this

See @meloƞ, responsible! Though $.5 is goofy, like, why even bother

meloƞ

but they removed lua support a few years ago, didnt they?

They only removed input functionality from lua

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

Issue with this is that we don't really agree with some of these features, so when we don't want to merge them other developers get mad and write a manifesto about how we are spawns of the devil

18:55

So it's good that there are forks where people can just do whatever they like for themselves and the people that want that kind of extra functionality

Evelyn

Why? For a symbolic $ 0.5, I help to fully configure the server and launch it. I help with the choice of hosting and so on, I answer all the questions that I can answer.

This one is fine. I guess he thought you were selling a mod

selling a moderator

what a site what show all declined maps

Lefterion⛧

what a site what show all declined maps

https://ddnet.tw/testlogs/

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Evelyn

Why? For a symbolic $ 0.5, I help to fully configure the server and launch it. I help with the choice of hosting and so on, I answer all the questions that I can answer.

you can do it for free, it's not that hard

Voxel

https://ddnet.tw/testlogs/

aww yeah an unranked section actually exists

chillerdragon: you commited to my repo more then I myself xd

meloƞ

i dont really think the game needs or deserves a full rewrite. One thing i find sad is that we have so many talented devs doing their own stuff on DDNet's source (e.g custom client forks) instead of contributing to DDNet while that's one of the great things about FOSS ofc and i respect everyone doing that, it also means that we have 10 clients with different useful functionality that, when properly done could be within the official DDNet Client :( (edited)

Isn't it possible for someone to just copy features from fork into the main client?

20:20

If an implementation is good enough for the official client it should be simple to just copy it

20:20

And if it's not then there is a good reason for a fork

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/133349

Stabilize the 2024 edition by ehuss · Pull Request #133349 · rust-l...

This stabilizes the 2024 edition for Rust 1.85, scheduled to be released on February 20, 2025.

cc tracking issue: #117258 There is a fair amount of follow-up work after this that I am working on ...

omg 2024 edition

20:44

i have been waiting for it for half a year but I don't know what it even does poggers2

zhn

you can do it for free, it's not that hard

50 cents is a very very fair price for setting up a server for someone

Some testers said to me, that there was a discussion adding new map categories and admins denied it. @murpi @Robyt3 are there any technical reasons for it?

Need new map category, [Toddler]