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Between 2024-11-22 00:00 and 2024-11-23 00:00

louis

i think its better to modify for example a Die() function with if (practice) rather than modify kill collision logic with if(practice)

it can be done there and there too xd

00:00

there's like no difference

Ewan

just another thing to bind and remember and press in this edge case where i’m practicing a part with kill tiles

we have run on join commands

zhn

there's like no difference

hmmmm

00:00

actually idk how u would differentiate from /kill and kill tile in Die()

louis

we have run on join commands

most players dont touch that

00:00

or know how

louis

actually idk how u would differentiate from /kill and kill tile in Die()

based on how server kills player

and it’s cumbersome nonetheless, that’s not really the point in making

if killer is player id then we are fine

ah right

00:01

even then i think the freeze thing is just too odd to be the best solution

still no arguments for it to be odd xP

00:02

any solution will be odd

Ewan

most players dont touch that

that doesn't mean we should immediately change default activity

00:02

it's not really practice mode's fault that people don't use the run on join commands

zhn

still no arguments for it to be odd xP

cuz ur changing kill to freeze

00:02

freeze should be the only thing that freezes u

louis

cuz ur changing kill to freeze

wdym "change"

louis

freeze should be the only thing that freezes u

what about hearts

+ if a kill and freeze r very close, and you hit them, you don't know if you really died or if you really got froze

00:03

so it doesn't give as good feedback as getting teleported / other solution

louis

+ if a kill and freeze r very close, and you hit them, you don't know if you really died or if you really got froze

deep freeze eheh

okay then kill and deep freeze together justatest

justatest

just a kill particle then

00:03

without being killed

00:03

whats problem?

ye, that is probably better than just freezing

00:03

kill particle -> deep freeze state

00:03

then player can use /lasttp

00:03

thonk

no just freeze then

00:04

i don't remember if rescue reacts identically on any freeze kind

it should

louis

it's not really practice mode's fault that people don't use the run on join commands

it’s practice mode’s fault that practice mode currently works unintuitively. i don’t think people in practice mode are relying on kill tiles to kill them. whenever they hit one they get annoyed and have to tp back to where they were, get their weapons, get their player state modifiers like endless/jp/etc

00:05

and if they do want to die their finger will do it for them instantly

louis

it should

can you pull up this question to testers community? what behaviour they want?

actually i think kill particles -> getting frozen somehow is a better solution instead of what I proposed

Ewan

it’s practice mode’s fault that practice mode currently works unintuitively. i don’t think people in practice mode are relying on kill tiles to kill them. whenever they hit one they get annoyed and have to tp back to where they were, get their weapons, get their player state modifiers like endless/jp/etc

now the lasttp suggestion (if it covered every tee attribute) is a neat idea but it’s still a manual workaround for something that really just doesn’t make sense to work this way (imo

Ewan

now the lasttp suggestion (if it covered every tee attribute) is a neat idea but it’s still a manual workaround for something that really just doesn’t make sense to work this way (imo

lasttp is necessary anyway though

why?

Should care more about usability than logic or anything like that imo, having kill tile work as auto /r would probably feel the best, cause then you get feedback for hitting it but also get put back to where you're currently trying to practice

i am fairly sure i fixed the hitbox thing

Ewan

i am fairly sure i fixed the hitbox thing

nah wait what about you are talking

00:07

lasttp vs rescue?

yea wdym

00:08

i think lasttp would take you to where you were before dying?

lasttp is last tp triggered afair

00:09

is this even a thing xd

i think we are conflating the terms

Skeith

Should care more about usability than logic or anything like that imo, having kill tile work as auto /r would probably feel the best, cause then you get feedback for hitting it but also get put back to where you're currently trying to practice

i disagree, i think it would actually feel not nice

i don't get "manual workaround" part

For the average user, I think they'd disagree

imagine hitting kill while doing some inputs and then you get /r immediately, then your inputs are still being held and you just start flailing around for 0.25 seconds

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00:09

tilt machine

like what do you do to bypass what

louis

imagine hitting kill while doing some inputs and then you get /r immediately, then your inputs are still being held and you just start flailing around for 0.25 seconds

just fine

00:10

blue tp maps already do this

blue tp maps are troll

00:10

kill trolls you other way

maps with troll blue tps probably constitute a small portion of what's being played

fwiw my implementation resets them with velocities reset iirc

00:11

so you’d be placed stopped, where you were standing in the prior tick

ye, but if you're holding an input you'll still move

same with any tp??

louis

imagine hitting kill while doing some inputs and then you get /r immediately, then your inputs are still being held and you just start flailing around for 0.25 seconds

thats why spectate is the default option

00:12

according to heinrich

00:12

i disagree but whatever is accepted idm you can change it with ur own config

Solly

thats why spectate is the default option

spectating on kill is the worst thing imho

zhn

spectating on kill is the worst thing imho

well u can change it

by default i mean

its only in /practice

take this part for example: you say [instant /r] will cause less keybinds / keystrokes, but here if you're doing this part and holding D and getting killed, you'll rescue to the edge of the left side and will still have to /r again because you're going to fall off every time

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Making it do /lasttp when you hit kill tiles or /r is basically the same thing anyways, I don't really care which one is implemented, they'd both be better than kill tiles killing you. So shrug

shrug

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Skeith

Making it do /lasttp when you hit kill tiles or /r is basically the same thing anyways, I don't really care which one is implemented, they'd both be better than kill tiles killing you. So shrug

shrug

we can add an option for /lasttp

Skeith

Making it do /lasttp when you hit kill tiles or /r is basically the same thing anyways, I don't really care which one is implemented, they'd both be better than kill tiles killing you. So shrug

shrug

no it's not, see above screen and explanation

Skill issue shrug

shrug

louis

take this part for example: you say [instant /r] will cause less keybinds / keystrokes, but here if you're doing this part and holding D and getting killed, you'll rescue to the edge of the left side and will still have to /r again because you're going to fall off every time

no

00:14

you dj and hold left

eh?

or you just know how that works and treat it the same as tp

that's still another input

and stop moving when you hit it

00:14

like

???

00:14

the part is tight so you can't just stop when you hit it

00:14

if you let go of D you'll fail anyways

Solly

we can add an option for /lasttp

Hein doesn't like options, you'd have to pick one

Skeith

Hein doesn't like options, you'd have to pick one

well it doesnt work if u dont have options

you are emplaced in your rescue position with your velocities set to 0

gg, never going to be implemented

you are not moving

00:15

and you are guaranteed to be on ground

Skeith

gg, never going to be implemented

that what we have currently

stop touching the key and you dont go off

Yep, as it'll remain

yeah but you're holding D unless you claim you can instantly react in 1 tick (20 ms) when you hit the kill tile to stop holding D

imagine 2 declined prs on such a small thing already

definitely well enough to adjust to it

plus you'll still have to hold A for a split second because you have to build up velocity to do the actual part

00:16

the point is /r will put you at corners half of the time and that's annoying

00:16

so i just dont' think it's practically the best solution

guys

you definitely get more control over where you respawn with /lasttp

it depends

00:16

both of u are right

00:16

someone needs full control, someone don't

so you’d rather automatically determine a better starting spot, or go to the last tp (even though the section you’re doing probably doesn’t have one, because it’s kill tiles)

00:17

the former seems promising if kinda complicated

lasttp teleports you to where you last /telecursored

Ewan

so you’d rather automatically determine a better starting spot, or go to the last tp (even though the section you’re doing probably doesn’t have one, because it’s kill tiles)

lasttp goes to your last manual TP afaik, not teleport tile

Ewan

so you’d rather automatically determine a better starting spot, or go to the last tp (even though the section you’re doing probably doesn’t have one, because it’s kill tiles)

u can place manual rescue point and go on btw

that’s pretty good then

Ya, as I said, basically same shit, nothing to argue about, I'll take either

oh yeah sorry i guess i should've clarified that xd

how do u set rescue point manual?

you’ll get neither cuz none of us can press the button

00:17

only hein

00:18

and he doesn’t care

Solly

how do u set rescue point manual?

/rescuemode manual

and roby

00:18

then /rescue

00:18

?

theoretically but that’d be stepping on toes

and press /r on ground

he’s not gonna do it

okay

Ewan

he’s not gonna do it

why tho

He's also the only one working on accounts basically greenthing

greenthing

zhn

/rescuemode manual

they added this too? xd

we're cooked, bros

Skeith

He's also the only one working on accounts basically greenthing

greenthing

that's a lie justatest

justatest

zhn

that's a lie justatest

justatest

Currently, not a lie, we're all waiting on him!

louis

they added this too? xd

i did, months ago

i thought juppey was the one working on accounts (edited)

louis

they added this too? xd

new info to me as well

oh alr then both ways would be sufficient

Voxel

i thought juppey was the one working on accounts (edited)

he has his own thing

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/9273 if everyone thumbs up this maybeit will be added

that was literally meant for testers bruh

he has a working implementation in dd-pg iirc but he needs to reimplement it in real ddnet

we did even discuss it there didn't we

i still like the particle+freeze a little more though just because you have more control where your tee goes

00:19

@zhn i wasn't aware

00:19

but /telecursor is better i think since you can do it midair

Voxel

i thought juppey was the one working on accounts (edited)

Not what I meant, sorry

louis

@zhn i wasn't aware

afair you joined discussion as well xd

Solly

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/9273 if everyone thumbs up this maybeit will be added

kind of a mouthful command tbh

Voxel

kind of a mouthful command tbh

thats hwy we have autocomplete (see some other comment heinreich left, long commands arent an issue) (edited)

Ewan

he has a working implementation in dd-pg iirc but he needs to reimplement it in real ddnet

he will not port it back i think

I mean the current thing being worked on is entirely in hein's hands, and progress is limited by him currently until further notice

Solly

thats hwy we have autocomplete (see some other comment heinreich left, long commands arent an issue) (edited)

ah

i hate per-session server commands (edited)

still id at least shorten it to /pracspikeaction so its less clutter

would rather properly establish a reliable user/server relationship with… wait…

Voxel

still id at least shorten it to /pracspikeaction so its less clutter

just /killmode, thats it

Voxel

still id at least shorten it to /pracspikeaction so its less clutter

i dont think prac is a good shortening

zhn

just /killmode, thats it

i dont mind removing the practise prefix, i prefer it but others dont have it so doesnt matter but it should be spikeaction and freezeaction or spikemode and spikeaction

Ewan

i hate per-session server commands (edited)

per session?

Wonder how long from now it'll take for accounts pepedepressed

pepedepressed

yea like /somethingmode

Skeith

Wonder how long from now it'll take for accounts pepedepressed

pepedepressed

two or one month

Copege

2

Ewan

yea like /somethingmode

i think it should be action

Skeith

Wonder how long from now it'll take for accounts pepedepressed

pepedepressed

its already been 2+ years

Ewan

yea like /somethingmode

we still have no accounts xd

yep

00:22

that’s the point of my sentence

it would be good if ddnet servers could share context

how it all circles back to not having accounts

it was even discussed afair

emphasizing the importance of accounts

@Solly i dont think anyone wants to read all those options when they're playing, better just have one good implementation that people can use easily

Ewan

how it all circles back to not having accounts

well its "new features arent implemented

", so accounts obviously show up

louis

@Solly i dont think anyone wants to read all those options when they're playing, better just have one good implementation that people can use easily

well thats what the defaults are for, you can change it if you want, and atleast some of the otpions are required for /invinsible

00:23

also i want the options depending on what im doing

society if ddnet had accounts, tune lock, and breaks backwards compatability:

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No options = best, it shouldn't kill you in practice period, pick a method

00:24

Agree to method, convince hein

Skeith

No options = best, it shouldn't kill you in practice period, pick a method

but why no options ;--;

that's the real process here

Solly

but why no options ;--;

because it would be the same actually

Solly

but why no options ;--;

Hein, he's allergic

hein doesn’t respond

00:24

i actually have prodded him about it

the sitting down incident

he just doesn’t comment or engage (with me)

Skeith

Hein, he's allergic

but other than convincing hein theresno reason?

Voxel

the sitting down incident

eh, the animations tumbler moment

zhn

eh, the animations tumbler moment

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Doesn't like clutter or confusion, less options = less clutter / confusion

Skeith

Doesn't like clutter or confusion, less options = less clutter / confusion

no one will run into this command and when they do, it will be evident what it does thats what /help is for (edited)

Skeith

Doesn't like clutter or confusion, less options = less clutter / confusion

and yet we let someone support 0.7

/cmdlist

fewer is better for sure (edited)

Argue it to hein!

Skeith

Argue it to hein!

i will when he responds

Ewan

fewer is better for sure (edited)

this is the sentiment of most devs here iirc

Voxel

and yet we let someone support 0.7

meh, ddnet supports backcompat so there's no difference anyway

Solly

i will when he responds

Grats, you just delayed accounts troll

troll

we can even support 0.5, just for lulz

Skeith

Grats, you just delayed accounts troll

troll

accounts are never going to be a thing, its been long enough that ive lost hope (edited)

Madge

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he might hear it from mods tbh

00:26

that’s all i can think

Ewan

he might hear it from mods tbh

nah

zhn

meh, ddnet supports backcompat so there's no difference anyway

it sucks because we always have to support some version of ddnet thats years old, which we literally can just... not, and improve our codebase significantly (edited)

Solly

accounts are never going to be a thing, its been long enough that ive lost hope (edited)

an initial implementation doesnt have to be good it just has to be an account system with ddnet, then force it on the kog people

we discussed it and ddnet should be as small as possible in terms of options

00:27

because we have plenty

00:27

thats the real reason heinrich pointed me to

zhn

thats the real reason heinrich pointed me to

thats a dumb reason

Solly

thats a dumb reason

argue one more time if you want to spend some free time xd

unnecesary options are bad, options to do things everyone wants to do but in different ways is good no matter how many you have to add

00:28

"argue it to heinrich" i will

Solly

thats a dumb reason

well it’s the consensus

Also maintaining code for shit ig, I'm no dev so idk the whole process, I only yap here greenthing

greenthing

ddnet has a lot of code for what it is

Voxel

it sucks because we always have to support some version of ddnet thats years old, which we literally can just... not, and improve our codebase significantly (edited)

end developer actually shouldn't see any difference but everything is just lays up there

Skeith

Also maintaining code for shit ig, I'm no dev so idk the whole process, I only yap here greenthing

greenthing

i always hear "maintaining" but all that is just fixing merge conflicts, this only steps on the feet of /invinsibile for which if it has any change is to remove it

completely independent engine, mostly independent OS abstraction, completely independent networking protocol

the thing about all my ideas is that they serve no purpose other than making the game look prettier all fluff no functionality

ddnet maintenance is probably very tolling

the ddnet codebase can be cleaned up, ddnet seperated from the game but its not b ecause making the game "moddable" isnt a goal

robyt3 did a lot of clean up on client side but truth is that this codebase wasn't meant to be used as everything-in-one

00:31

thats why we have to deal with it rn

so what you're saying is split the client and server into 2 different repos?

and that's why heinrich doesn't let something into upstream

Voxel

so what you're saying is split the client and server into 2 different repos?

huh? no

it’s not so bad with the current structure, just a little confusing & very convoluted because quality alternatives to what was originally implemented in teeworlds have been made

wait its 4 am already

00:32

gn guys

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@ChillerDragon your comment on teeros tas video made my lmao irl

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06:51

ive spent hours on part 24

chiller comments on every tw video

kernel 6.12 dropped on gentoo

greenthing

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https://abhisaha.com/blog/interactive-post-oklch-color-space/

Interactive post on OKLCH color space | Little Things

Limitations of sRGB, and how OKlch makes color transitions smoother and more natural, just like the human eye perceives them.

07:38

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Ryozuki

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hmm I don't know, that gradient from green to blue makes me think the RGB gradient isn't taking into account gamma but yeah perceptual colour spaces are good

07:48

I much prefer the example image on Wikipedia

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Ryozuki

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can we get any non rgb interpolation algoirhtm on our quads

08:13

the gray is ugly

08:14

(pass color system of choice thru instead of rgb, then make shader convert back to rgb)

08:14

(make it a setting idk)

Yeah, I was about to say that RGB interpolation is sometimes desired

risu

Yeah, I was about to say that RGB interpolation is sometimes desired

it is?

08:14

no i meant a global setting like hi-detail, it costs alot to convert between the 2 (edited)

08:15

whats an example of wanting rgb interpolation

08:15

seeing as its mostly visual

ok now that I'm thinking, if it's only used for gradients, there isn't much reason to use RGB interpolation

risu

ok now that I'm thinking, if it's only used for gradients, there isn't much reason to use RGB interpolation

thats what quads are really

08:16

you can even see it on clouds

08:16

and its really annoying

08:16

once you ntoice

But even if we don't do that, we should at least check that we're correctly taking into account gamma when it comes to RGB gradients

risu

But even if we don't do that, we should at least check that we're correctly taking into account gamma when it comes to RGB gradients

its not about gamma

08:38

its about gray

08:39

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08:39

yummy

i dont like gray gray

08:45

blue gray is better than gray gray

what would be a modern way for a captcha? I think they are all broken now

Assa

what would be a modern way for a captcha? I think they are all broken now

There are the js puzzle ones, idk if they are verybroken yet

connect to the camera and check if the person is real

Make them submit a blood sample by mail

Learath2

Make them submit a blood sample by mail

this

we had a teecaptcha didn't we

I think a puzzle where you have to put nouis' eyes back into place would be pretty cool.

12:13

nouis

12:14

and the correct location and orientation is randomly generated

risu

hmm I don't know, that gradient from green to blue makes me think the RGB gradient isn't taking into account gamma but yeah perceptual colour spaces are good

gamma RGB gradient with these stops vs linear RGB gradient with these stops

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12:19

that is, the left one is the one that directly interpolates sRGB values and the right one is the one that converts to linear RGB, interpolates, and converts back

Solly

can we get any non rgb interpolation algoirhtm on our quads

speaking of, can we get dithering for the quad interpolation

12:24

I've been meaning to ask this for a while, quads can have very noticable banding

Furo: idk if you can read this but if you can then add a stomping mode to the bomb mode that makes the bomb explode immediately if someone stomps on it xd

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rust tip: avoid inclusive ranges, use exclusive, they have better perf

<ChillerDragon> Is holding down hammer with antiping a known bug?

Ryozuki

rust tip: avoid inclusive ranges, use exclusive, they have better perf

That's curious, why?

Learath2

There are the js puzzle ones, idk if they are verybroken yet

solving a puzzle might still work

12:55

at least you don't find a bot right out of the box

12:55

doesn't solve the issue of captcha formings tho, but there is none

I see this kind quite often

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12:56

There is also one which hides symbols in an image and tells you to click them in a specific order

I would do that much more complicated, like solving at least 9 puzzle pieces

Learath2

That's curious, why?

https://users.rust-lang.org/t/performance-difference-among-range-rangeinclusive-and-reversed/20283 (edited)

Performance difference among Range, RangeInclusive and reversed

I ran this simple code: #[test] fn play() { let now = Instant::now(); let mut result: usize = 0; for j in (1..100_0000 + 1).rev() { result += j } println!("{}", result); println!("{:?}", now.elapsed()); let now = Instant::now(); let mut result: usize = 0; for j in (1..=100_0000).rev() { resul...

Assa

I would do that much more complicated, like solving at least 9 puzzle pieces

would also be great to filter out small children

Ryozuki

https://users.rust-lang.org/t/performance-difference-among-range-rangeinclusive-and-reversed/20283 (edited)

I read the entire thread, I didn't see the reason why

13:03

Half open ranges excluding the upper limit are the most comfy to use, but I never heard of a performance thing

Learath2

I read the entire thread, I didn't see the reason why

it adds a branch iirc

Learath2

I see this kind quite often

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13:31

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theyll hire indians to solve it so xd

captcha solver is a job (edited)

13:43

pepeW

yeah no jokes

13:43

theres literally some service to solve em like nuts

zhn

theyll hire indians to solve it so xd

Yeah, this is the solution to every captcha and the price per captcha isn't too bad either

Learath2

Yeah, this is the solution to every captcha and the price per captcha isn't too bad either

do you know any captcha farm HUH

HUH

, asking for a friend

Nope, I only talked about it with a friend who was paying for one to spam a website with fake comments

omg

14:23

no catalan tee skin

14:23

angry noises

no scotland either

arch1t3cht

that is, the left one is the one that directly interpolates sRGB values and the right one is the one that converts to linear RGB, interpolates, and converts back

Huh, so doing it correctly makes it look worse because blue is just so dark? Neat

no tatarstan either

the question is what "correctly" means here

imagine adding all us state flags xd

interpolating in linear light is pretty much the opposite of being perceptually uniform, that's why gamma exists

14:54

but if you interpolate two equally primary colors in gamma light, you get a brightness shift

Actually the one on the right has a much better transition between blue and green, only the blue dark stripe looks worse on first glance

yeah, it's a tradeoff

14:54

gamma light is great for perceptually uniform interpolation of brightness for a constant chromaticity

14:55

linear light is better when interpolating between different chromaticities of the same brightness

14:55

but if you want a perceptually uniform gradient you shouldn't use either and just use oklab/oklch

I'm often lazy and don't look up the matrices, just pulling something good enough out my ass lol

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8542 Add 128 player support from F-DDrace

justatest

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9274 Add 128 player support

Revived from https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8542

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's mem...

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9275 Fix Teehistorian server crash with MSVC due to uninitialized memory

The variable CServer::CClient::m_Authed and the function IServer::GetAuthedState may only be used when the client slot is not empty, as the authed state is uninitialized before a client slot has been used for the first time. When compiling the server with MSVC the variable is not zero-initialized like with other compilers currently. This was causing the server compiled with MSVC to crash on start when Teehistorian is enabled, as empty clients were incorrectly considered as authenticated f...

poggers2

don't know what's that for but ... (edited)

16:45

poggers2

wdym you dont know what thats for >:c - imagine multeasymap and linear.. but with 128p

no I mean last commit

16:47

I know that one

oh the teehistorian one?

Peakies

don't know what's that for but ... (edited)

It's for filthy Windows users, we don't care about them

yeah me too

with MSVC the variable is not zero-initialized like with other compilers currently. yet another microsoft L

I'm windows user btw

momiCry

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MSVC = Microsoft Visual C++ the stinkiest compiler LLVM is peak

windows is shit i know it but I have to use it for games

what games :(

wdym, DDNet runs just fine on Linux

kek

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16:49

and Minecraft

16:49

and like, what else could you need?

I'm not playing them anymore

Fake DDRacist?!?!

right now playing on throne and liberty

GitHub

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poggers2

16:50

chat is this real

no I'm more like veteran DDNet player

Peakies

no I'm more like veteran DDNet player

Washed up?

Peakies

right now playing on throne and liberty

:c throne and liberty runs perfectly fine on linux

I spend 14-26 of my life on DDNet and I think that's enought

Peakies

I spend 14-26 of my life on DDNet and I think that's enought

dude came, developed, and dipped

and yeah all of that times just spend on developing on DDNet I even still noob at finishing ddrace maps

risu

Washed up?

yeah

can i somehow sent cmd to change map to dedicated server if i dont have running game?

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9275 Fix Teehistorian server crash with MSVC due to uninitialized memory

triki

can i somehow sent cmd to change map to dedicated server if i dont have running game?

i mean can i change map from outside the game?

@Teero

18:00

https://github.com/Teero888/tune_calculator

GitHub - Teero888/tune_calculator

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what (edited)

Can you tell me what algorithm of actions happens with each tune?

Ok i find solution. i will share it if some one need it. this README generated by AI (edited)

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Evelyn

Can you tell me what algorithm of actions happens with each tune?

i have no idea what you are talking about sry

meloƞ

with MSVC the variable is not zero-initialized like with other compilers currently. yet another microsoft L

not an L though

18:46

standard doesn't specify this one point

18:46

but msvc sucks in any other way :P

triki

i mean can i change map from outside the game?

yeah you can, use telnet to connect to econ port and do whatever you want

zhn

yeah you can, use telnet to connect to econ port and do whatever you want

i dont see any other solutions.

but afair its not encrypted so

zhn

yeah you can, use telnet to connect to econ port and do whatever you want

maybe u tips more better way?

better use it only on localhost and wrap with something that actually has encryption

triki

maybe u tips more better way?

you can basically write anything on top of any econ wrapper (i.e tw-econ for rust) and send messages via discord for example

18:50

or telegram kekw

Evelyn

Can you tell me what algorithm of actions happens with each tune?

expand your question pls

18:52

should have checked your script before answering, ig id you don't anything else than that, it's fine to use

zhn

yeah you can, use telnet to connect to econ port and do whatever you want

u just said like i do smth bad. better i ask question. if u u will do smth similar what metod u will choose?

triki

u just said like i do smth bad. better i ask question. if u u will do smth similar what metod u will choose?

nah everything is fine, i thought you want to do something remotely

zhn

nah everything is fine, i thought you want to do something remotely

ah, so for remote this fine just need add encryption, i undestend u correcly?

triki

ah, so for remote this fine just need add encryption, i undestend u correcly?

yeah, but only if you think that someone sniffs your traffic :p

zhn

yeah, but only if you think that someone sniffs your traffic :p

nah nobody, but thanks i was just interesting ty for explanation.

zhn

yeah, but only if you think that someone sniffs your traffic :p

I'd sniff u

bro you have a wife justatest

justatest

zhn

bro you have a wife justatest

justatest

Did I stutter?

monkaS

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probably the laziest way to protect that traffic is just use ssh, no need to set up a separate vpn or anything

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9276 Fix jetpack strength always being set to 0

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

zhn

better use it only on localhost and wrap with something that actually has encryption

that's the way to go

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9276 Fix jetpack strength always being set to 0

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So, I discovered dbg_tuning command. Can I ask, if this using client to get tuning list or server sends tuning list to the client?

montikboom

So, I discovered dbg_tuning command. Can I ask, if this using client to get tuning list or server sends tuning list to the client?

@Teero sorry for ping, but I think you know

23:12

Or anyone else can answer my question?

The server sends the tunings to the client so the client can use them for antiping/prediction

Teero

The server sends the tunings to the client so the client can use them for antiping/prediction

Can I make the server not send anything to the client?

LOL

Learath2

LOL

Funny

I hate that this is what has become of the community of this game

montikboom

Can I make the server not send anything to the client?

You can't, the client needs it for prediction and antiping. If you send the wrong values the game will look wrong on the client

Learath2

You can't, the client needs it for prediction and antiping. If you send the wrong values the game will look wrong on the client

Is there any way to send values to the client but not showing them in dbg_tuning?

montikboom

Is there any way to send values to the client but not showing them in dbg_tuning?

nope

Teero

nope

Or should I tell players not to use antiping

It also breaks the normal prediction, so they'll also have to play with prediction off if you want to send fake values. Which is extremely annoying to play without

Learath2

It also breaks the normal prediction, so they'll also have to play with prediction off if you want to send fake values. Which is extremely annoying to play without

:(

Learath2

It also breaks the normal prediction, so they'll also have to play with prediction off if you want to send fake values. Which is extremely annoying to play without

Any way to keep tunes in secret but not break antiping?

No

tex_cry

There is also a tool to calculate tunes for any time rate

Learath2

There is also a tool to calculate tunes for any time rate

Ik that

Learath2

No

Can I modify client to remove that command?

You can, but people will keep playing with their own clients

But I think online will be

Learath2

You can, but people will keep playing with their own clients

Ok

embrace the soul of open source, thousands of hours of developers work is available to you for completely free, live and let live

Learath2

embrace the soul of open source, thousands of hours of developers work is available to you for completely free, live and let live

Thousands?

i'd assume ddnet surpassed the 5 digit hour mark a while ago (edited)

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Easily, dozens of people worked over this game for more than a decade

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I think print prints

Yo is there's any chance to read the whole rcon console? maybe there's func which is does exist like that?

No

23:56

i mean you can do it but there most likely is not a function

23:57

sorry yeah you should see what dump_remote_console does, the f1 command (edited)

gigachad

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