I guess it's the same thing, ya. But it's not really on the same level as what speeders allow, imo. Outside of SG bug launching you into the ceiling in 1 frame. These speed glitches all seem very different to me, and I've never seen anything besides speeders allow you to come to a 100% stop due to it, besides jetpack endlessly flying into blue tele, or sg bug ofc. (edited)