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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 00:18
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9180 Fix editor tele layer brush number
Fixed inconsistencies between the number displayed next to the brush and the placed number. It now always matches the brush. Also, now it'll show a number when selecting a brush from the tile picker instead of no number at all - only visual

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  • [x] Tested the change ingame
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 02:10
It sucks being American because like, most of the devs here are asleep
02:10
I had a cool idea I wanted to tell Jupstar, but I doubt he's awake
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Teero 2024-10-30 05:29
Hello I had a nightmare and just woke up
05:29
What's the idea?
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 05:30
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ddnet-maps
[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 07:15
I can also read it afterwards
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 08:30
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 08:54
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9180 Fix editor tele layer brush number
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
768384a Fix editor tele layer brush number - KebsCS df3eeff Merge pull request #9180 from KebsCS/pr-fix-tele-brush - def-
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 10:41
https://loco.rs/
Loco.rs - Rust Web Framework
Loco.rs is like Ruby on Rails for Rust. Use it to quickly build and deploy Rust based apps from zero to production.
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im using this and its dope
10:41
its the most dev friend you have in rust for web related
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:28
hey guys, quick question: are dekos streamable?
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demos*
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:29
streamable?
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:30
yeah, is there any method to stream demos?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:30
? XD
11:30
Stream in what sense
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jxsl13 2024-10-30 11:30
live stream
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:30
not like a binary file, but a demo that can be played in realtime
11:30
yeah
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:31
Without video conversion?
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:31
ah wait, its just client
11:31
xddddd
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:31
I mean a demo is kinda just snapshots
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:31
yeye xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:31
So you can stream a demo ig
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zhn BOT 2024-10-30 11:32
yeah then i need a web client kekeke
11:32
afair there was one
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:34
https://ddnet.github.io/load_map.html
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But it's quite a bit outdated already
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Teero 2024-10-30 11:55
@Jupstar ✪ where is the collision data for rendering entities loaded in the vulkan backend?
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Teero
@Jupstar ✪ where is the collision data for rendering entities loaded in the vulkan backend?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 11:57
maplayers.cpp
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But it doesn't use collision data like you think
11:58
It just loads the physics group layers from the map directly and puts them into a buffer. They don't use some collision class
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Jupstar ✪
It just loads the physics group layers from the map directly and puts them into a buffer. They don't use some collision class
Teero 2024-10-30 13:59
the collision class just has pointers to the same physics layers so maybe it'll work
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Teero
the collision class just has pointers to the same physics layers so maybe it'll work
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:01
What you try to do still needs a reupload of the layer
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You cannot change memory on the CPU and hope that it gets updated on GPU
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Jupstar ✪
What you try to do still needs a reupload of the layer
Teero 2024-10-30 14:01
exactly what i am doing
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:01
Nice
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Teero 2024-10-30 14:02
*or trying to do
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:02
Updating the whole layer might be slow tho xd
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You should not expect it to outperform OGL 1.1
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Teero 2024-10-30 14:02
well it only gets done once so it is fine
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it should be just like loading the map again
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:02
Ah
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Perfect
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Teero 2024-10-30 14:05
it worked :DDD
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:05
@Teero btw one question. Do you need vk for zooming or other reasons?
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Teero 2024-10-30 14:05
vk just looks better xd
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i don't want to render on opengl 1.4
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:06
Ok bcs there is another way if you just want to fix rendering
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find m_GLTileBufferingEnabled = m_pBackend->HasTileBuffering(); and replace it with m_GLTileBufferingEnabled = false; //m_pBackend->HasTileBuffering();
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Then you have OGL 1.1 rendering with vulkan
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xd
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But without the rendering issues
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That is also what is used in the editor
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Jupstar ✪
You cannot change memory on the CPU and hope that it gets updated on GPU
Learath2 2024-10-30 14:07
Maybe you can't
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Learath2
Maybe you can't
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:07
I mean you can allocate coherent memory that is visible to both, CPU & GPU and it will probs work
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But usually it's rather slow. I tried that before I instead flushed the memory properly
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Jupstar ✪
I mean you can allocate coherent memory that is visible to both, CPU & GPU and it will probs work
Learath2 2024-10-30 14:09
How is this facilitated btw?
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How is this facilitated btw?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:12
I wonder about that too. Vulkan is about giving away control from driver to programmer and then they add such stuff that sounds rather difficult BUS wise and cache wise and what do I know how hardware works in detail. But it seems GPU vendors implement coherent memory. In theory they don't have to. Also for integrated GPUs it's ofc easy, since CPU & GPU share the memory anyway
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Jupstar ✪
I wonder about that too. Vulkan is about giving away control from driver to programmer and then they add such stuff that sounds rather difficult BUS wise and cache wise and what do I know how hardware works in detail. But it seems GPU vendors implement coherent memory. In theory they don't have to. Also for integrated GPUs it's ofc easy, since CPU & GPU share the memory anyway
Learath2 2024-10-30 14:13
Yeah I was about to ask whether it's igpu/combined memory systems only
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I wonder if there is some flag one can check to see if coherent memory is fast/cheap on this device
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 14:13
Yes
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If coherent memory is device local and host local
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Then you know it's iGPU
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But then you also don't need coherent memory, because it's 99% also HOST_CACHED
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xd
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Well dunno if there are exceptions
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Ok there is no HOST_LOCAL. HOST_CACHED is kinda what I mean instead
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Then it makes sense
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DEVICE_LOCAL_BIT HOST_VISIBLE_BIT HOST_COHERENT_BIT HOST_CACHED_BIT
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https://vulkan.gpuinfo.org/listdevicescoverage.php?memorytype=15&platform=all
Vulkan on gpuinfo.org
Vulkan hardware capability database.
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Most say qualcomm
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So it's clear that isn't about dedicated GPUs
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Qualcomm, Apple M1-3, Intel, AMD APU. But only like 4 nvidia
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 14:28
why would a linker not link a symbol
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Chairn 2024-10-30 14:36
because symbol doesn't exist ?
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 14:41
today ld --whole-archive saved me
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Chairn
because symbol doesn't exist ?
Ryozuki 2024-10-30 14:42
if i make a shared library that links a static library which has a method i want to make available in the shared libary it may not be included always
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with --whole-archive i fixed it
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i think i fixed it
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justatest
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Chairn 2024-10-30 14:43
hmm, probably because the symbol pulls other symbols
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hence --whole-archive makes sure that all symbols required are included
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 14:54
https://jonathanbuys.com/Gross_Apple_Marketing/
jb… Gross Apple Marketing
a weblog by Jonathan Buys
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yM4ZYwB_s
Canonical Ubuntu
Ubuntu 24.04 LTS Noble Numbat | 20 years of Ubuntu
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a good linux marketing video kek
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 15:21
the nm tool is nice
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Ryozuki
https://jonathanbuys.com/Gross_Apple_Marketing/
louis 2024-10-30 15:53
lol this guy is just a glazer
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zhn 2024-10-30 17:58
anyone knows good way to passthrough igpu with qemu+kvm?
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Jupstar ✪
https://ddnet.github.io/load_map.html
zhn 2024-10-30 17:58
not a mao, but an actual gameplay owo
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mao
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map, i mean
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zhn
not a mao, but an actual gameplay owo
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 18:02
It has a demo player
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What else do you need? 😄
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Jupstar ✪
It has a demo player
zhn 2024-10-30 18:03
source >:D
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 18:03
https://github.com/Jupeyy/ddnet/tree/web_preview
GitHub - Jupeyy/ddnet at web_preview
DDraceNetwork Playground. Contribute to Jupeyy/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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well it's super outdated
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and building for emscripten is around as hard as android xd
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good luck
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Jupstar ✪
and building for emscripten is around as hard as android xd
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 18:04
building the libs*
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zhn 2024-10-30 18:04
uh oh, i will try anyway
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not in the near future though xd
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meloƞ 2024-10-30 19:47
damn nix i'm sorry!
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MilkeeyCat 2024-10-30 19:49
Rust pros, do you know a crate which has a macro to implement a Display trait for enum variants, for example: enum Foo { #[fmt("Dat's bar")] Bar, #[fmt("Dat's baz")] Baz }
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Ryozuki 2024-10-30 19:53
https://lib.rs/crates/derive_more
derive_more — Rust library
Adds #[derive(x)] macros for more traits
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MilkeeyCat 2024-10-30 19:55
thanks 😄
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:20
First step on splitting everything apart: Splitting only the emoticons image and trying to find out how to properly load it
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Seems very hard because the code feels extremely dependant on having it be sprites instead of just images
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I could just load in all the images as 1x1 sprites
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 20:21
The client already splits all images internally
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It doesn't use an texture atlas for rendering
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:22
I'm just trying to disect src/game/client/gameclient.cpp, and the CGameClient::LoadEmoticonsSkin function, since that's how the emoticons are actually loaded in
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 20:22
Yeah
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:24
Don't know if I was supposed to do this, but I stored everything related in content.py as an image and not a sprite
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container.images.Add(Image("oop", "images/emoticons/oop.png"))
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 20:25
Something is VERY wrong with the Game layer near (910, 24). Please report this at https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues, you will need to post the map as well and any steps that you think may have led to this. lmao never seen that
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Oh wow that doesn't even exist anymore in newer ddnet code
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 20:26
ye
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it wasn't really very wrong I think, it only means an some specific entity is near the border of the map
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:28
I don't know why I'm trying to do this update when Jupstar already did it and better LOL
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Voxel
Don't know if I was supposed to do this, but I stored everything related in content.py as an image and not a sprite
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 20:29
Maybe it's time to get away from content.py if you want to split it anyway ^^
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:29
I mean, I'd have to figure out how to like, load everything manually
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 20:31
Probably makes sense to not use content.py anymore. Would also make more sense if the emoticon textures were managed in CEmoticon instead
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:33
Right. I feel like all textures would have to be inside gameclient.h somehow, then.
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Or, nevermind. This is a huge rabbit hole LOL
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TsFreddie 2024-10-30 20:38
good night everyone
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 20:39
Good night!
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meloƞ 2024-10-30 20:40
Good night!
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and welcome back Voxel!
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:00
I'm just here for devloupment help, that's all!
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Since I finally have the guts to try to do an actual update for this game
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meloƞ 2024-10-30 21:01
:3
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:04
So would something like this work? I have all the textures stored in an OnInit() run in emoticon.cpp https://imgur.com/gWe3UHc
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The whole code is still messy, since I have to remove dependancy of the original emoticons image
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:07
You'll need to be careful not to free the same texture handle twice or forget freeing one if you copy the handles. Doesn't look like many uses of m_EmoticonsSkin though
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:08
That's going to be a challenge for me, since I still have extremely basic knowledge on memory management
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But I'll try. And when that works out I'll send it to GitHub and have you guys have a closer look, before I even think about sending it as a PR Draft
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:41
https://imgur.com/ESzjYzK Is this even right? It's still all showing up as white squares. This is inside emoticon.cpp
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 21:42
No errors in F1?
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:46
2024-10-30 17:45:06 E png: failed to open file for reading. filename='images/emoticons.png' (only shows when it i open Settings>Assets, which shows a 4 colored box. It's all just white squares in_game)
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So It's definitely loading SOMETHING, just not the thing I want.
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:49
Maybe you copy the handles in gameclient before you load them in CEmoticon::OnInit
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So you only copied an unloaded handle
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The previews in the Assets settings are separate anyway, those will probably also need to be revised (edited)
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:50
Yeah, I know that. Though, I do have ideas for that side of things.
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:51
Either we provide a preview icon.png in every zip file or we somehow show a collage of all the individual images
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:51
I was thinking an icon.png
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:51
Definitely simpler, yeah
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:55
So you're saying add something into CGameClient::OnInit() about the texture handles in CEmoticon?
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:57
No, I meant your error is probably that you copy the texture handles before they are loaded. That would be fixed if you remove the emoticon handles from the gameclient and only refer to CEmoticon as the source of truth.
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 21:58
I see
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Robyt3 2024-10-30 21:59
I'd add a getter function, e.g. IGraphics::CTextureHandle CEmoticon::EmoticonTexture(int Emoticon) const, for that (edited)
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 22:01
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9181 Chat command preview overlaps input when moving text cursor
1. Type /add in the chat, the preview will show weapon 2. Move the cursor to the left 3. The command preview overlaps the input: !image
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 22:12
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9182 Add clear_chat command
Add a command to clear all lines of chat messages, same as the clear_local_console/clear_remote_console commands for the consoles. This is useful for example when taking screenshots or recording videos with initially empty chat.

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  • [X] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 22:13
Voxel now that you are here: That is also smth I want. More customization shared between all clients.
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Cellegen 2024-10-30 22:19
@Insanity don't forget to message Deen about uploading the halloween logo and banner to github, so it's not lost 😄
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Jupstar ✪
Voxel now that you are here: That is also smth I want. More customization shared between all clients.
Cellegen 2024-10-30 22:19
Sounds like a lot of asset downloading or configurations to handle
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 22:21
@juppey_keks YES
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this is half the reason why i want to split it, so its easier to send through servers
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like, you can send weapon skins and not have to worry about, yknow, the everything else
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Cellegen 2024-10-30 22:22
definitely would save a lot of internet traffic
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Headshot 2024-10-30 22:29
voxuis
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Voxel BOT 2024-10-30 22:31
Headbot
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Teero 2024-10-30 22:37
Head3DS
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 22:49
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
c978ece Add clear_chat command - Robyt3 215c683 Merge pull request #9182 from Robyt3/Client-clear_chat-Command - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9182 Add clear_chat command
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Jupstar ✪
Voxel now that you are here: That is also smth I want. More customization shared between all clients.
cyberfighter 2 2024-10-30 22:49
yeah
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i want that too
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Sounds like a lot of asset downloading or configurations to handle
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 22:58
Once an asset is downloaded it, it is load from disk the next time. Considering our current skin system downloads skins the whole time I think this should be fine xd Ig it also depends on how big a possible database for assets would be 😄
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heinrich5991 2024-10-30 22:58
Considering our current skin system downloads skins the whole time I think this should be fine xd
@Robyt3 fixed that 🙂
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Voxel
this is half the reason why i want to split it, so its easier to send through servers
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 22:59
I dunno if that makes it easier xd
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heinrich5991 2024-10-30 22:59
it's now only doing a If-Modified-Since request which returns no data if the thing didn't change
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it's now only doing a If-Modified-Since request which returns no data if the thing didn't change
Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 22:59
But ig it still needs to do a http request, even if cheap?
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heinrich5991 2024-10-30 23:00
yes
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-10-30 23:05
One qol advantage of having an index is that you can show the database content inside the client ui easily
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GitHub BOT 2024-10-30 23:50
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #9095 Fix save message text
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