DDraceNetwork - mapping

Teero

don't think thats possible

bet

DeKaeL

n to fix the speed cause they off sync but... it works!

yooo thats so cool i never knew you can make them go different speeds like that

Souly

yooo thats so cool i never knew you can make them go different speeds like that

and they can even overlap each other while having diff speed (edited)

nice thing

really wish there was a way to quickly find and select an unused tele number without having to open the menu all the time to press ctrl+f

and a quick way to find different tiles like fromtele 1

DeKaeL

if somebody find a way by not spamming entities or even with, so the bullets bounce off tps tiles but tps still work, tell me (black tiles are tps) (edited)

@Destoros could you help him ?

DeKaeL

can u slice laser spiners?

not really. the moment you slice the laser, you cannot make it suddenly appear after it, unless warp (teleport entity) works with it

13:46

which I have no idea if laser tiles work with them

13:47

answer is: no

sadge, editor is limiting my creativity (edited)

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DeKaeL

sadge, editor is limiting my creativity (edited)

same

make ur own editor

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Hello, I'm making a map for the first time, I'd like to hear comments, criticism, general assessment of the gameplay (!) and difficulty level. According to my calculations, this is a moderate 5 stars or brutal 1 star. The map is not finished in terms of decor (inscriptions and blocks), I'm experimenting with this now. Advice is also welcome. Здравствуйте, делаю карту впервые, хотелось бы услышать комментарии, критику, общую оценку геймплея (!) и уровень сложности. По моим расчётам это модерейт 5* или брутал 1*. Карта не доделана в плане декора (надписи и блоки), с этим я сейчас экспериментирую. Советы также приветствуются.

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NcTOS

Hello, I'm making a map for the first time, I'd like to hear comments, criticism, general assessment of the gameplay (!) and difficulty level. According to my calculations, this is a moderate 5 stars or brutal 1 star. The map is not finished in terms of decor (inscriptions and blocks), I'm experimenting with this now. Advice is also welcome. Здравствуйте, делаю карту впервые, хотелось бы услышать комментарии, критику, общую оценку геймплея (!) и уровень сложности. По моим расчётам это модерейт 5* или брутал 1*. Карта не доделана в плане декора (надписи и блоки), с этим я сейчас экспериментирую. Советы также приветствуются.

Did you read the https://ddnet.org/rules/ and https://ddnet.org/guidelines/ ? Some mistakes you made are explained in the guidelines. Maybe i will take a closer look later.

NcTOS

Hello, I'm making a map for the first time, I'd like to hear comments, criticism, general assessment of the gameplay (!) and difficulty level. According to my calculations, this is a moderate 5 stars or brutal 1 star. The map is not finished in terms of decor (inscriptions and blocks), I'm experimenting with this now. Advice is also welcome. Здравствуйте, делаю карту впервые, хотелось бы услышать комментарии, критику, общую оценку геймплея (!) и уровень сложности. По моим расчётам это модерейт 5* или брутал 1*. Карта не доделана в плане декора (надписи и блоки), с этим я сейчас экспериментирую. Советы также приветствуются.

alot of parts have special tile spam and the difficulty constantly spikes between easy and hard

16:04

+ the parts are tight

Cammodude

alot of parts have special tile spam and the difficulty constantly spikes between easy and hard

How to prevent tile spam?

dont take and give away the same ability all the time

18:54

dont use special tiles to fix skips

Cammodude

dont use special tiles to fix skips

How else can skips be prevented? So that players can't, for example, just fly through parts

solo for example

18:58

maybe remove the kill tile noobfilter and turn the first rocket part into the noobfilter

Wouldn't it be bad if there were a lot of solo parts on the map?

Cammodude

maybe remove the kill tile noobfilter and turn the first rocket part into the noobfilter

With solo?

NcTOS

Wouldn't it be bad if there were a lot of solo parts on the map?

yeah but you can work around it

18:59

its unlikely that anyones 1st map gets released

18:59

you get more experience overtime

texnonik

@Destoros could you help him ?

No idea how this could be possible, sry

Cammodude

its unlikely that anyones 1st map gets released

I made this map over the course of two years, threw a lot, corrected a lot of mistakes and gained experience

Cammodude

yeah but you can work around it

Does my map have the potential to be released?

19:03

If i fix all mistakes

yeah

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What parts do you think are well done and don't need to be fixed?

best to ask a proper tester

NcTOS

Does my map have the potential to be released?

vena would insta decline it

19:08

sad reality

19:08

vena declines everything

true

Why

cus he can

Who is it?

official ddnet map tester

He is the only one?

So there are chances?

submit it and see for yourself

19:11

they will give the proper feedback

My map is not yet completely finished, I am writing here to find out my mistakes in gameplay before making decor.

oh alright

19:12

good luck

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Do you think it's a good idea to make this animation of the balls all over the map?

NcTOS

My map is not yet completely finished, I am writing here to find out my mistakes in gameplay before making decor.

decor isnt that important at the start

19:13

you can add it later during testing

Cammodude

decor isnt that important at the start

Its not start

19:15

Could you tell me what you think the difficulty of my map is?

some parts are mod, some near brutal

19:15

i saw that the last part was something from novice

Where unfreeze tiles?

yeah

Its not that easy, that looks

well i didnt have alot of time

19:16

just played the first few parts and specced the rest

I specifically took this concept and complicated it to make it the right difficulty, like the rest of the map.

NcTOS

Do you think it's a good idea to make this animation of the balls all over the map?

@Cammodude

animation of balls ?

yeah

19:19

I made a spawn with them to see what it looks like

well you can do it if youd like

okay

19:21

I'll still wait for more people to write their opinions about my map

Welf

Did you read the https://ddnet.org/rules/ and https://ddnet.org/guidelines/ ? Some mistakes you made are explained in the guidelines. Maybe i will take a closer look later.

Okay, I'll wait.

Cammodude

vena declines everything

no, vena is just straight and clear with what he accepts and what he doesnt.

19:35

you're discouraging people from publishing their maps that way dude :c

NcTOS

Okay, I'll wait.

i did a playthrough. it has alot of issues:

basically everything is very tight, that's bad for groups who play the map
in addition the parts are hard because they have very close timings with big time punishments for small fails, more space would help here too
the map is very repetitive, which is very unpleasant
many fails are quite unfair and don't feel nice at all
the constant change of double jumps is confusing and not really necesary for the gameplay you offer, the map would be better without the jump tiles
as already mentioned, avoid special tiles to fix skips, find ways to implement your ideas without too much confusion
some stuff is not really intuitive, you have to communicate better what to do (hard to sum up) i liked some ideas, but overall the map is outdated (d-word). i don't want to discourage you from mapping, but you need more experience with the game to understand what's good and fun. i recommend playing popular moderate maps like baby aim (1-3), sunlit peaks, garden (there are more options and different mapping styles that are good) and maybe also take a look at classic brutal maps like stronghold to get an idea about what failyness is good for moderate/low brutal (e.g. it should be easily saveable).

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Cammodude

vena declines everything

vena is the decline master

he applies fair standards to the maps and other testers would speak up and reset the map, when he declined a map that should not be declined.

NcTOS

So there are chances?

If the map is good -> rls If not -> decline

Welf

i did a playthrough. it has alot of issues:

basically everything is very tight, that's bad for groups who play the map
in addition the parts are hard because they have very close timings with big time punishments for small fails, more space would help here too
the map is very repetitive, which is very unpleasant
many fails are quite unfair and don't feel nice at all
the constant change of double jumps is confusing and not really necesary for the gameplay you offer, the map would be better without the jump tiles
as already mentioned, avoid special tiles to fix skips, find ways to implement your ideas without too much confusion
some stuff is not really intuitive, you have to communicate better what to do (hard to sum up) i liked some ideas, but overall the map is outdated (d-word). i don't want to discourage you from mapping, but you need more experience with the game to understand what's good and fun. i recommend playing popular moderate maps like baby aim (1-3), sunlit peaks, garden (there are more options and different mapping styles that are good) and maybe also take a look at classic brutal maps like stronghold to get an idea about what failyness is good for moderate/low brutal (e.g. it should be easily saveable).

If I correct the above mistakes, can my map still be considered valid?

20:33

PS: I have passed Stronghold

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NcTOS

If I correct the above mistakes, can my map still be considered valid?

that question is hard to answer because it depends on how you rework the map. in my opinion the map is far from getting released, you need to change like almost every part and probably find better ideas that are more fun (i think some stuff in the map right now is hard to rework into a part that's fun).

Welf

that question is hard to answer because it depends on how you rework the map. in my opinion the map is far from getting released, you need to change like almost every part and probably find better ideas that are more fun (i think some stuff in the map right now is hard to rework into a part that's fun).

Could you tell me which parts are well done and don't need changes?

i liked these sections, but they have spacing issues (they would be annoying to play in t0)

Welf

that question is hard to answer because it depends on how you rework the map. in my opinion the map is far from getting released, you need to change like almost every part and probably find better ideas that are more fun (i think some stuff in the map right now is hard to rework into a part that's fun).

And if I make the map more fun to play, it will become easier, am I wrong? How can you make a part fun if it's hard?

Welf

i liked these sections, but they have spacing issues (they would be annoying to play in t0)

Do you find out how to get through this part with rocket and arrows?

20:46

I was planning to add some additional text there.

NcTOS

And if I make the map more fun to play, it will become easier, am I wrong? How can you make a part fun if it's hard?

that's a good question xd there are different opinions and different map styles. drag maps/parts are examples of complex parts that are fun. faily maps can be fun, because they are nice to play in groups (they should be fair and balanced tho). your map doesn't really fit into these categories now, which makes it hard to find maps you can take a look at. this map https://ddnet.org/maps/Forgotten-32-Lands/ might be a map to take a look at (it's a bit outdated but still a fun classic map)

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NcTOS

Do you find out how to get through this part with rocket and arrows?

the ceiling grenade thing? that was a bit dull and repetitive, i also cheated a small part with a ceilinghammer xD the tele hook thing was annoying because it was hard to find the spot to hook through, i used super here to save some time..

I added an icon there where to hook

20:54

There you had to shoot a rocket at the wall while holding down the D button.

i dont understand you ._.

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oh i skipped that XD

21:02

as mentioned you can do a ceiling hammer

oh

21:02

wdym

Welf

oh i skipped that XD

But you circled that part to show you liked it, didn't you?

21:04

Thats one part

i meant the going up solo thing, that's why i didnt mark the upper section

21:05

the setup right now is really annoying so the part is not fun

21:06

Annoying bcs confusing? Or generally

it's repetitive to get your teammate into position

21:06

because you have to go in many times and do a basic shot, it's very slow

you can help yourself with rocket

NcTOS

And if I make the map more fun to play, it will become easier, am I wrong? How can you make a part fun if it's hard?

well difficulty is all relative to the skill of a player, as long as the maps difficulty is consistent then theres usually no issues in that regard. imo, when hard parts become annoying is when theres any sort of "rng" or inconsistency and you feel like its entirely random when it works and when it doesnt. I also think it matters that the parts still feel good/fun even when you fail them and arent annoying. Though im not a mapper its just what i feel from playing the game

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at the beginning

Welf

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And no, holding jump there is a big mistake xdd

Broso56

well difficulty is all relative to the skill of a player, as long as the maps difficulty is consistent then theres usually no issues in that regard. imo, when hard parts become annoying is when theres any sort of "rng" or inconsistency and you feel like its entirely random when it works and when it doesnt. I also think it matters that the parts still feel good/fun even when you fail them and arent annoying. Though im not a mapper its just what i feel from playing the game

in general i agree but this map has another issue i mentioned. some stuff is not fun because you have to repeat alot of stuff if you fail a short thing and you don't really get to do much in between (besides the repeitive issue). @NcTOS your map would be better if it was easier.

NcTOS

And no, holding jump there is a big mistake xdd

why?

21:10

thats how i played the map

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bcs you will fly on that arrows above

i thought you were supposed to hook through the hook teleport (it took some time but it worked)

21:11

so yeah i didn't play the part how you intended it

21:11

can't say much about it, maybe its annoying (because you might fail if you choose the wrong grenade angle) (edited)

thats why i want to add there addictional text

Welf

in general i agree but this map has another issue i mentioned. some stuff is not fun because you have to repeat alot of stuff if you fail a short thing and you don't really get to do much in between (besides the repeitive issue). @NcTOS your map would be better if it was easier.

yea i was just speaking in general, i havent read most of the conversation and i havent played the map so im missing context

And a block that makes it clear at what angle you need to shoot

NcTOS

thats why i want to add there addictional text

that's a bad solution, you should find a better setup for your part (for example with teleporters) so you don't have to repeat boring stuff if you do a small mistake

But then again, if I change the nasty parts to easier ones, what about the hard parts that are good enough? Won't there be an imbalance again?

Welf

that's a bad solution, you should find a better setup for your part (for example with teleporters) so you don't have to repeat boring stuff if you do a small mistake

Oh, i know the solution, i will place there grab laser, which will activates from button

NcTOS

Oh, i know the solution, i will place there grab laser, which will activates from button

teleporters are better, but eh imo you should rework the whole part

NcTOS

But then again, if I change the nasty parts to easier ones, what about the hard parts that are good enough? Won't there be an imbalance again?

thats one thing mapping is about, finding parts that fit well together

Welf

teleporters are better, but eh imo you should rework the whole part

Where to place it

eh i just realised that my idea wouldnt work well, okay no idea how to make that part good within a few steps

21:22

hard to explain and i don't want to invest too much time into this

I can make a grab laser into a teleport in left up corner of that freeze