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I remember I played some maps which had 2 players and 1 dummy. anyone know what all the maps that do this are?

art0007i

I remember I played some maps which had 2 players and 1 dummy. anyone know what all the maps that do this are?

I just know Bornrif and Handifly right now (edited)

I have to whitelist myself on ger10.ddnet.org daily or even more often to play on ger10 servers. I'm on the same setup, just changing my ingame name pretty often, does that cause trouble or what is it and can maybe be done here? frozen

art0007i

I remember I played some maps which had 2 players and 1 dummy. anyone know what all the maps that do this are?

i found it btw one was like tux said "Bornrif" and other one "Distance"

how do i search for a certain tile? for example i want to see where tp40 is but can't find it so there's some way in the editor?

spur

how do i search for a certain tile? for example i want to see where tp40 is but can't find it so there's some way in the editor?

You can see specific tele in menu where you choose tele number

how to do that part?

♂S1mple♂

You can see specific tele in menu where you choose tele number

ah i see, i was baited with a fake tp

1

why are some servers still using the ddnet.org domain?

cuz that's the official domain

and preferred one

look, my map was approved and what should I do, how to release it online so that it can be played (edited)

P1xen

look, my map was approved and what should I do, how to release it online so that it can be played (edited)

its not an approval

08:08

read #📌info btw

08:08

u got test channel for ur map

08:08

but ig it got declined already

It's not declined. A tester needs to check it manually before a channel can be created.

You need to ask the original mapper for permission when doing remakes

P1xen

look, my map was approved and what should I do, how to release it online so that it can be played (edited)

I opened the test channel for it now. https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287688500300218439 Before any map gets released it will need to be approved by the testing team.

Skeith

You need to ask the original mapper for permission when doing remakes

ohh

08:17

ok

08:18

when will my card be checked by the testing team?

P1xen

when will my card be checked by the testing team?

just wait i dont think theres a specific time

catseyenebulous

I opened the test channel for it now. https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287688500300218439 Before any map gets released it will need to be approved by the testing team.

Oh mah god you declined this map way to fast, do you have ANY idea what's coming for you ???

meloƞ

Oh mah god you declined this map way to fast, do you have ANY idea what's coming for you ???

What, from where? help

catseyenebulous

What, from where? help

Wait till tsin finds out... You're done for

08:59

he used the name

meloƞ

Wait till tsin finds out... You're done for

I'll go hide.

Learath2

he used the name

Help me

09:29

my username GOODLIKE

wait 1h

ScReeNy

wait 1h

Okay

09:31

can I play under a different username?

don't block next time kek

FNG

can I play under a different username?

No, its by IP

ScReeNy

No, its by IP

...

but you should be able to play on other servers

FNG

can I play under a different username?

you can choose any other server than DDNet

09:33

look up theres options for all servers, LAN, favorite servere, DDNet

ScReeNy

but you should be able to play on other servers

No

FNG

No

Maybe

Choose the first option

(edited)

09:37

You should be able to Play any servers except with DDNet icon

can someone give me a template to make entites textures?

Praef

can someone give me a template to make entites textures?

64x64 pixel grid for every tile in a 1024x1024 image

k ty

anyone have the rocket bind?

JoxZ

anyone have the rocket bind?

if you mean the 45° bind to aim straight, here: https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Binds#45%C2%B0_Aiming

Binds

DDNet client has a multitude of commands and settings that can be bound to nearly any key or mouse button. You can enter commands into the console, which by default is accessed by pressing F1.

1

There is a command to change this parameter?

Mannik

There is a command to change this parameter?

cl_show_direction 1-3

1

I need help please. So I have DDNet from Steam. But I cant find how to put these type of skins in the game

BEIM

I need help please. So I have DDNet from Steam. But I cant find how to put these type of skins in the game

those are used to make maps

BEIM

I need help please. So I have DDNet from Steam. But I cant find how to put these type of skins in the game

@Insanity when make entities out of those??????????

I just see people in tiktok having these texture packs, that everything is grey, or blue, red etc. I would like that too

you're looking for entities: https://teedata.net/entities

meloƞ

you're looking for entities: https://teedata.net/entities

This is what I mean. I don't think entities are right. Like this famous map(I always forget the name lol) it's like green, not grey

yeah these are entities! - they're bound to your pageup key by default, or you can enable them via the console: cl_overlay_entities 100

16:01

you can change those in the "assets" part of your settings

Okay, thank you I will try that again when I can.

the background disappears when the overlay_entities are set to 100 and default to grey, you can change the color in the "DDNet" settings under "Background"

16:02

Ohh, that makes sense now! Thank you man DDnet has the best staff ngl

❤️

are creators of maps must finish their own maps without cheats to map being allowed?

Smetanolub

are creators of maps must finish their own maps without cheats to map being allowed?

no

why

why would?

cuz maps after 2015 90% dogwater

how is that connected

guy does bad map cuz he doesnt play game. testers finish maps cuz they play like 10years straight and play automatically without thinking, then say map good map added

nah, it doesn't work like that (edited)

17:20

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Smetanolub

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah

open testlogs and scroll a little (edited)

then what

see that every map gets testing and feedback, and that your argument is invalid

i am tester myself as you can see

17:21

and i said exactly how it does work out there

Smetanolub

i am tester myself as you can see

um yeah, great

ofc i oversimplified it, but still

Smetanolub

ofc i oversimplified it, but still

you got it completely wrong i would say

Smetanolub

ofc i oversimplified it, but still

a map that got readied in few days (you might say it's too low) has at least 100 feedback messages

so?

few month of testing, almost 300 messages

Smetanolub

so?

yes and?

alright you don't even want to defend your point and just play silly

17:25

go on

at least read what they text there first (edited)

17:26

*uhh 1 pixel bug in design *map is linear tight and easy/i finished it *ok i think we will rls it lmao

17:27

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Smetanolub

*uhh 1 pixel bug in design *map is linear tight and easy/i finished it *ok i think we will rls it lmao

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1265344802946289747/1284551261378842786

Smetanolub

*uhh 1 pixel bug in design *map is linear tight and easy/i finished it *ok i think we will rls it lmao

You're looking at reviews after most of the gameplay/design has been done, sure your point will seem valid, but you're missing out on basically everything (scroll down for feedback on first example map, scroll down for feedback on second example map) And now i want to ask a question, do you know that this game is community based? That you and anyone else can test maps, help the process and etc., rather then unreasonable blaming of others? Hopefully this message will be enough to change your mind.

i say about bad parts, you speak of design bugs as argument?

17:36

then again, fixing a boring part for it become easier? will it make part good and not boring somehow?

17:36

wow i need 3sg, lets fix one block so it will be more forgivable, such a gameplay changing thing

Smetanolub

then again, fixing a boring part for it become easier? will it make part good and not boring somehow?

i wonder what exactly you are talking about

how a part that just needs to hold sg and aim a bit can be good?

how do i make a backround for my map?

its just boring, and even if its about mechanic skills(which is just about how much time u spent on it) its ever more boring

Deleted User

how do i make a backround for my map?

use google/youtube guides

cant find any

17:38

like theres only

17:38

how to USE the editor

Smetanolub

its just boring, and even if its about mechanic skills(which is just about how much time u spent on it) its ever more boring

if your problem is that parts don't have weapon/mechanic/whatever you like this isn't valid

Deleted User

cant find any

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haee3xeh6EA

Aoe

Teeworlds - How To Use Custom Entities Background

17:38

https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Mapping

Mapping

Mapping is the process of building and creating maps, the basis of DDNet's (and other modes') gameplay. Maps can be created by anyone, given they have the will and creativity to do so. Mapping also allows users to add their own design, sound, and aesthetic to maps, and can also be used for entities backgrounds, main menu themes, and more. DDNet ...

mapper chooses what he wants to make and what likes

Smetanolub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haee3xeh6EA

thanks

♂S1mple♂

mapper chooses what he wants to make and what likes

thats the problem

17:39

the guy can desire anything, but no garantee it will be good (edited)

Smetanolub

its just boring, and even if its about mechanic skills(which is just about how much time u spent on it) its ever more boring

the map you currently was blaming is clean, parts are clean, and people enjoy it

thats why testing needed, and testing now is a player just can finish testing map and say either its good(with no words about why he thinks so) or bad

if you think that every map should be loved by you only then it is your ego problems not mapping/testing (edited)

there are no rules about how you describe parts good and why, that makes testing kinda useless

♂S1mple♂

the map you currently was blaming is clean, parts are clean, and people enjoy it

yeah but do they have enough expirience playing such maps?

17:41

did they finish thousand maps like that before to have a refference?

17:42

i play for 17 years and i dont like most maps that new

Smetanolub

yeah but do they have enough expirience playing such maps?

perhaps

♂S1mple♂

perhaps

dont listen to freezy, he's a paid actor

17:42

listen to vena instead

17:42

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@Freezy what do you think about this topic?

17:44

testing people playing map once, and because of that and expirience lack,because of there is no exact description of why parts are good and what they should be so as not to become bad? can people forgive small bad things about map because of that?

Vena giga chad tester

♂S1mple♂

You're looking at reviews after most of the gameplay/design has been done, sure your point will seem valid, but you're missing out on basically everything (scroll down for feedback on first example map, scroll down for feedback on second example map) And now i want to ask a question, do you know that this game is community based? That you and anyone else can test maps, help the process and etc., rather then unreasonable blaming of others? Hopefully this message will be enough to change your mind.

@Smetanolub and again, i wanna adress you to the second part of this message, instead of blaming others do at least something yourself

Smetanolub

there are no rules about how you describe parts good and why, that makes testing kinda useless

the joy in maps is that there are no rules to them, but standards

♂S1mple♂

perhaps

testers finish maps cuz they play like 10years straight and play automatically without thinking, then say map good(again)

making rules to fit a specific style would ultimately force people to follow them, there are so many great, fun and unique maps out there because these rules dont exist

Smetanolub

testers finish maps cuz they play like 10years straight and play automatically without thinking, then say map good(again)

you know, maybe don't test map, it won't turn out good with that attitude...

there are however standards, style, flow, uniqueness, repetitiveness, competitiveness, t0 playability

how can i become a mod

can there be uniqueness if map has one weapon(and there are many maps just with one weapon) that uses its physics to base parts on?

Devloop

how can i become a mod

We hire mods every 6 months or so

Smetanolub

are creators of maps must finish their own maps without cheats to map being allowed?

i tried to implement a rule that the mappers have to send a demo of someone finishing their map in the intended way when uploading the map

there always will be people who can finish any map, so that rule is useless

Learath2

We hire mods every 6 months or so

when will you hirre this year

the topic is about discription of a good part

Devloop

when will you hirre this year

We just finished up in August, so it'll be quite a while

Learath2

We just finished up in August, so it'll be quite a while

ok

Smetanolub

can there be uniqueness if map has one weapon(and there are many maps just with one weapon) that uses its physics to base parts on?

can there be a uniqueness in a game you play 17 years for? (i built this message with information you given and the same way you do) (edited)

we can figure out the signs of boring parts obviously and that what testing section needs right now

just a question for you

♂S1mple♂

can there be a uniqueness in a game you play 17 years for? (i built this message with information you given and the same way you do) (edited)

yes, oldschool maps are all different and enjoyable, even after many finishes

nice subjective opinion

u asked about my opinion so here it is lel

every other player will have his opinion as well

17:52

and you take on good/bad parts will be completely different for different people

do we care about opinions now?

it doesn't makes sense

we dont need opinions, we need to figure which parts are better than others

17:53

we need a format that people will stick to when they test and rate map

Smetanolub

yes, oldschool maps are all different and enjoyable, even after many finishes

and some people like playing stronghold 1 for the 50th time, testing and mapping will always be extremely subjective

thats why its not about opinions

It is though, there is no objective criterion for what makes a part "good" or "better" (edited)

why so, i can defenetly make a bad part that everyone wont like

17:54

like, the parts that require u to hold 1 button to finish it

17:54

for a long time

17:55

or the parts that are just wasting time on some point?

17:55

or the parts that use the basic moves for it to be completed?

Smetanolub

like, the parts that require u to hold 1 button to finish it

some people enjoy it

there are maps like that already, why make more same maps?

It's easier to say what makes a part "bad". But it's not something you can quantify really. One part requires you to just hold d, the other is a standard drag but it's very cramped. Which one is worse?

Smetanolub

there are maps like that already, why make more same maps?

there are maps where you don't have to hold one key, why make more? (edited)

Smetanolub

@Freezy what do you think about this topic?

I've only briefly scanned this whole conversation but from what I can tell I'd agree that many things regarding maps and that especially includes testing are subjective. That's why the testing team mostly functions as a whole and by having more subjective opinions we're trying to create some kind of pseudo-objectivation (which is also why there are 2 testers required to ready a map) by having many experienced mappers and players around. (edited)

why are there testers who just say i like this map.its good and you say that can be count as vote?

17:57

they dont describe why its even good

Smetanolub

they dont describe why its even good

they do

17:57

lol

Why would we bother making an essay on why the map is good? If it's good then that's just how it is and it'll be released.

17:58

The more difficult point is declining maps and telling why it's bad / not good

we dont need to, we need to just say what is done good and why

17:59

like that sg map

Why?

Smetanolub

we dont need to, we need to just say what is done good and why

btw i like the way you have your own "good" type of maps and you want to tell it's somehow superior even though everyone has it's own opinion, it really does feel like your ego

"oh its good, because it needs to just aim with sg and shoot to be completed, and there surely is not yet many other maps that do the same, thats why its unique

Smetanolub

"oh its good, because it needs to just aim with sg and shoot to be completed, and there surely is not yet many other maps that do the same, thats why its unique

^ exactly what i mean

aint that is hilarious?

18:00

just another map, with almost same parts(the moves to complete it basically are the same) and then you talk about "maps must be unique

Smetanolub

just another map, with almost same parts(the moves to complete it basically are the same) and then you talk about "maps must be unique

hate to break it down to you, but when game has limited functions and mechanics and it has ~4k maps some things might feel similar (edited)

18:01

crazy, ain't it?

The map is smooth and has a good flow. Additionally it's not repetitive or boring. Why would you want us to decline such maps?

go start yo own ddnet boy

because it must be unique to be added

5

yes obviously testing is very subjective and maps that get released are because the testers personally think the maps are good.

18:03

that's how a subjective system like testing works, and the maps that get released on ddnet are due to ddnet testers

18:03

if you don't like them then go make your own server network with your own testers and rules

thats why we need some rules to prevent at least from stacking not unique maps?

18:03

am i wrong?

yes

Smetanolub

am i wrong?

yes

keep on, about why at least

Smetanolub

keep on, about why at least

you skip 80% of our arguments and answer with "i want GOOD maps with UNIQUE gameplay (specific gamepley only me and some people like), and i will do nothing in return"

i want GOOD maps with UNIQUE gameplay, but why you say its about only parts i like?

18:07

its about unique parts

18:07

just stop making fkn SAME maps

Additionally you're asking "why" every second message but you still didn't elaborate on why that should be the case or did I miss that part?

for gods sake

Freezy

Additionally you're asking "why" every second message but you still didn't elaborate on why that should be the case or did I miss that part?

because im bored playing same parts over and over

18:09

just implement rules about what makes parts unique and it will be so much better for testing

Smetanolub

because im bored playing same parts over and over

17 years playing same game and saying that you bored is pretty generic thing to say tbh

If you have complaints about stolen parts then feel free to report it

Smetanolub

because im bored playing same parts over and over

that's a very subjective viewpoint after all isn't it?

so you say making maps with same parts over and over again is good?

it's not literally the same parts, so if it's fun whats wrong about it?

18:10

we would decline a map if it was just something copy pasted

what color mode is used in skins?

how do you choose when its literally the same parts and when its not? some rules about that?

JoxZ

what color mode is used in skins?

8 bit RGBA

ok now i want to see some examples from you @Smetanolub, show me at least 5 maps (that are made 2015+ (as you stated) that have very similar gameplay and very similar parts, that aren't unique and feel same to you) and then we'll talk, because right now your point is very weak and doesn't makes sense (edited)

look above for it

Smetanolub

how do you choose when its literally the same parts and when its not? some rules about that?

there is no way to measure it, we decide by our viewpoints

Smetanolub

look above for it

i won't, i was here the whole conversation and only example i saw is new sg map (edited)

Welf

there is no way to measure it, we decide by our viewpoints

why its not better to do rules about that?

and even then, it has unique parts

Smetanolub

why its not better to do rules about that?

we are already applying the rule without having it, not sure what a rule would change

Smetanolub

why its not better to do rules about that?

Create a set of rules and introduce it here

Im a blocker with barely any hours in ddrace but i still wanna give my opinion as kind of a 3rd party. @Smetanolub you said you feel like maps in 2015 are the most unique and interesting and replayable, but nowadays theee are many more mappers with more experience and/or skill, so the maps being worse is (logically) not a real possibility. I feel like you just like those maps because of nostalgia, thats why they are replayable for you, but other maps feel boring because they are maps in a game you have thousands of hours in so they feel boring, and dont have nostalgia to carry them. For the majority of players, they dont yet have that repetitiveness from the game, so the new maps seem unique and fun. The testers role is difficult because they need to not only account for their own opinion (the type of parts they like, how many times they went through similar parts, therefore boredom from them), but also they need to account for everyone else's POV, and as i said for the majority of players, new maps arent such a problem. I can see you want to suggest something to change ddnet maps for the better, but imo you are in the wrong :D tldr: new maps are repetitive for you but testers account for all Points Of View, not just for theirs

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Freezy

Create a set of rules and introduce it here

-# do at least something helpful instead of blaming everyone

1

Freezy

Create a set of rules and introduce it here

I offer to do this, but you say that I have to do it alone?

♂S1mple♂

ok now i want to see some examples from you @Smetanolub, show me at least 5 maps (that are made 2015+ (as you stated) that have very similar gameplay and very similar parts, that aren't unique and feel same to you) and then we'll talk, because right now your point is very weak and doesn't makes sense (edited)

so @Smetanolub you won't? (edited)

Patiga

8 bit RGBA

is there any way to convert HSL colors to that model? im trying to put an specific color on my tee

Smetanolub

I offer to do this, but you say that I have to do it alone?

Yes because I don't think that could work

♂S1mple♂

so @Smetanolub you won't? (edited)

any maps that have just 1 gun to finish it, no freeze and only tp, i did say it above

Smetanolub

any maps that have just 1 gun to finish it, no freeze and only tp, i did say it above

bruh just state 5 names of maps that are repetitive

bye bye race modification, it was nice having you, but we decided that 1 gun maps are too bad

if it's such a problem for you it won't be hard for you

JoxZ

is there any way to convert HSL colors to that model? im trying to put an specific color on my tee

Just convert your hsl to hex rgb, then you can use it with $ instead of the #

♂S1mple♂

bruh just state 5 names of maps that are repetitive

do you think i remember maps by names? you need it, you search it, i gave u the description

Learath2

Just convert your hsl to hex rgb, then you can use it with $ instead of the #

Note: It won't be exact when rendered, this is because of precision issues and the way we color skins

Smetanolub

do you think i remember maps by names? you need it, you search it, i gave u the description

i don't need it, but because you can't look them up or anything i can say that your point is done

Learath2

Note: It won't be exact when rendered, this is because of precision issues and the way we color skins

uhmm we arent on the same path, im talking about this thing justatest

Freezy

Yes because I don't think that could work

i will think about that when i wont be lazy

you can't show practical example of maps that are repetitive to you, yet complain

18:18

crazy

Axi

Im a blocker with barely any hours in ddrace but i still wanna give my opinion as kind of a 3rd party. @Smetanolub you said you feel like maps in 2015 are the most unique and interesting and replayable, but nowadays theee are many more mappers with more experience and/or skill, so the maps being worse is (logically) not a real possibility. I feel like you just like those maps because of nostalgia, thats why they are replayable for you, but other maps feel boring because they are maps in a game you have thousands of hours in so they feel boring, and dont have nostalgia to carry them. For the majority of players, they dont yet have that repetitiveness from the game, so the new maps seem unique and fun. The testers role is difficult because they need to not only account for their own opinion (the type of parts they like, how many times they went through similar parts, therefore boredom from them), but also they need to account for everyone else's POV, and as i said for the majority of players, new maps arent such a problem. I can see you want to suggest something to change ddnet maps for the better, but imo you are in the wrong :D tldr: new maps are repetitive for you but testers account for all Points Of View, not just for theirs

@Smetanolub please read this as well

JoxZ

uhmm we arent on the same path, im talking about this thing justatest

Ah, that is directly hsl, but with 0-360 of Hue mapped to 0-255, 0-100 of Sat mapped to 0-255 and 50-100 of Lgt mapped to 0-255 It's not very easy to convert numbers to that format by hand, so do the hex rgb thing and you can set it using the f1 console with player_color_body $<hex_value_here> (edited)

Smetanolub

i will think about that when i wont be lazy

Then we'll have a basis to have this discussion on.

Right now you're basically just saying "I think you're doing bad, do it differently" without giving a constructive suggestion or alternative

@Freezy todo; a set of rules to weed out bad maps/parts and do a description for "bad part" i do this note, will think about it l8r

There's much more to it

18:21

But I think you'll figure that out on your own when thinking about it soon enough

Learath2

Ah, that is directly hsl, but with 0-360 of Hue mapped to 0-255, 0-100 of Sat mapped to 0-255 and 50-100 of Lgt mapped to 0-255 It's not very easy to convert numbers to that format by hand, so do the hex rgb thing and you can set it using the f1 console with player_color_body $<hex_value_here> (edited)

it worked, ty owo

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Smetanolub

@Freezy todo; a set of rules to weed out bad maps/parts and do a description for "bad part" i do this note, will think about it l8r

basically set a template for maps to make maps less unique, that's funny holy

♂S1mple♂

basically set a template for maps to make maps less unique, that's funny holy

*set a rule that wont let make same parts/bad parts

i can already see people complaining about new weird mechanics

Smetanolub

*set a rule that wont let make same parts/bad parts

We're already trying to avoid that so please give examples for such if you make such claims

his examples are great wdym

18:26

omw to check on 2k 2015+ maps to see what he meant

Stop, we're testers, staff members after all we have to stay somewhat serious

♂S1mple♂

You're looking at reviews after most of the gameplay/design has been done, sure your point will seem valid, but you're missing out on basically everything (scroll down for feedback on first example map, scroll down for feedback on second example map) And now i want to ask a question, do you know that this game is community based? That you and anyone else can test maps, help the process and etc., rather then unreasonable blaming of others? Hopefully this message will be enough to change your mind.

i tried (edited)

Freezy

Stop, we're testers, staff members after all we have to stay somewhat serious

No need, they all think we are trolls so don't waste time on that

is this an actual #questions chat?

18:28

wtf~2

yeah, ask something

its been going on here for an hour

holy it was an hour already

I've wondered about this as well but he did ask a question somehow I suppose

‍♀️

#town-hall

let's say it was a very detailed answer

むぎ

#town-hall

u can move here

18:29

i allow u

18:29

guys

Welf

No need, they all think we are trolls so don't waste time on that

Btw, I'd disagree on that

むぎ

i allow u

Thanks man I already wished for that

18:32

@Smetanolub It's right tho, if you actually make a set of rules and want to introduce it to, please create a thread in #town-hall (edited)

While we are here complaining about testers. Can you guys please be a bit more consistent with the ratings. last 50 ratings follow no logic at all

Devinci

While we are here complaining about testers. Can you guys please be a bit more consistent with the ratings. last 50 ratings follow no logic at all

how would you rate 2.5* map

♂S1mple♂

how would you rate 2.5* map

I'm complaining about clear ???? moments. Like the recente gores solo map for example. Most 1 stars are harder than that 2 stars

18:38

It feels like most testers stopped playing the game

18:39

I don't really care about old ratings being weird. it is what it is and it's a lot of work. But for new ones it could try to follow some logic (edited)

Devinci

I'm complaining about clear ???? moments. Like the recente gores solo map for example. Most 1 stars are harder than that 2 stars

no recent gores solos from the top of my head

18:39

Did you also stop playing the game

18:39

gores solo map?

y, okay I'll get the name

Amethyst (edited)

1

how is it gore

And ye, should be 1star

♂S1mple♂

how is it gore

bro

♂S1mple♂

how is it gore

dont google gore

ok

do it

Since i'm a very official ddnet staff member i want to address some points. This whole discussion seemed like someone wants a big increase for the released map standards, which would result in much less released maps (if 90% are bad, we would have like 1 release every 1-2 months). That alone would make the game much more boring. As Freezestyler already argued we testers are making decisions by agreeing on stuff. We are heavily relying on subjectivity. Of course there are some objective rules like a map needs to be finishable. I don't think that every map needs to be super unique. I also think that many maps with unique concepts don't get played too much, because players prefer gameplay they understand easily. For example while Dash Dummy is a high quality map, it doesn't get played too much. So in my opinion we shouldn't filter too much by uniqueness and also consider overall gameplay quality (balancing, fair parts, game flow, spacing).

1

But i also get that solo, dummy, race rating is hard

yappuchino above

3

Exo for example feels really hard for a 3 star map but is too easy for a 4 star map

Devinci

While we are here complaining about testers. Can you guys please be a bit more consistent with the ratings. last 50 ratings follow no logic at all

I asked for a map rerate channel and didn't get it, so i don't want to do more

Devinci

I'm complaining about clear ???? moments. Like the recente gores solo map for example. Most 1 stars are harder than that 2 stars

How is it a "clear ???? moment" when we rated it 1* off from what you'd suggest? Additionally, it's true there's like 10 % gores on the map, not more

<BµmM>

Exo for example feels really hard for a 3 star map but is too easy for a 4 star map

solo map rate is so hard pepeW

any rate is hard tbh

18:44

it's very subjective considering unique mechanics and modes

as I said, I don't really care about rerating. Well I do, but it's work. It's more about new maps.. I still can't get how open late is a 5 stars novice. Some ratings are just nonsense. (edited)

it's subjective measure

Freezy

How is it a "clear ???? moment" when we rated it 1* off from what you'd suggest? Additionally, it's true there's like 10 % gores on the map, not more

1 off when it's only out of 5... that's pretty big

Devinci

as I said, I don't really care about rerating. Well I do, but it's work. It's more about new maps.. I still can't get how open late is a 5 stars novice. Some ratings are just nonsense. (edited)

???

♂S1mple♂

???

mbmb, edited. Novice yes ^^'

♂S1mple♂

it's very subjective considering unique mechanics and modes

every player have own nice sides - out of this we all have other mind about rating

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manikoo

every player have own nice sides - out of this we all have other mind about rating

100%

Devinci

1 off when it's only out of 5... that's pretty big

1 star is pretty good

And it shouldn't really be that subjective. Like of course you are gonna have an easier time depending on your skill set. But overall there is still some logic. And when I play a novice map with someone that has never played the game, we finish in 5 minutes, and the map is rated 5 stars... It's just surprising to say the least. Again this is only an example

Back then we had a forum topic about reratings, worked pretty good i think

novice is probably the most controversial of all ratings

Rating is another very hard thing. Whose skillset are you basing the rating on? I've never been very good at rocketfly so any map that involves it is pretty much Insane for me

with solos

because everyone has different mindset when starting playing and everyone will complete different parts with different speed etc. (edited)

okay cool story bro but this is #questions so i got one for y'all who hops on ddnet now

Devinci

1 off when it's only out of 5... that's pretty big

Rating 400 maps in a difficulty range of 5... I'd argue that the job is not done terribly and 2* is well justifiable. Additionally it's YOUR opinion that's off of what the rating is

but that's an answer for a question

Learath2

Rating is another very hard thing. Whose skillset are you basing the rating on? I've never been very good at rocketfly so any map that involves it is pretty much Insane for me

But you should be able to understand that those maps are not insane. Idk, at leas I kind of have a feeling I'm able to distinguish a part where I struggle and a part that is hard.

Freezy

Rating 400 maps in a difficulty range of 5... I'd argue that the job is not done terribly and 2* is well justifiable. Additionally it's YOUR opinion that's off of what the rating is

I could give you soooo many examples of 1 star maps objectively harder and 2 stars map wayyy harder

18:51

Like no

18:51

I know you only play 5 stars solos but you should give it a try at 1 and 2

18:51

where I'm confy

Devinci

And it shouldn't really be that subjective. Like of course you are gonna have an easier time depending on your skill set. But overall there is still some logic. And when I play a novice map with someone that has never played the game, we finish in 5 minutes, and the map is rated 5 stars... It's just surprising to say the least. Again this is only an example

Novice maps are also not rated for 1 experienced player being part of the team

Devinci

I know you only play 5 stars solos but you should give it a try at 1 and 2

(freezy is still missing 4 solo maps - that damn nobo)

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even tutorial has harder parts than that 2 stars solo. No joke

Freezy

Novice maps are also not rated for 1 experienced player being part of the team

get novice players to play them and you should see that some ratings are just odd

Devinci

I could give you soooo many examples of 1 star maps objectively harder and 2 stars map wayyy harder

some people struggle aiming, some struggle moving, some struggle dragging, some struggle gores etc. etc. and so on, you can't make a super objective rating out of 5

Novice is the most busted of rating groups. Those maps are all rated assuming an experienced teeworlds player is a novice at ddrace

Freezy

Rating 400 maps in a difficulty range of 5... I'd argue that the job is not done terribly and 2* is well justifiable. Additionally it's YOUR opinion that's off of what the rating is

if we have more stars it will be more hard justatest

(edited)

i had the 45º bind before and it moved my gun 45º too, but now with the bind x "+toggle cl_mouse_max_distance 2 400" it seems to move weird and slow (edited)

Do a townhall about the ratings and we can discuss them

Anyways this was all for my rant, get what you want and discard the rest

Devinci

even tutorial has harder parts than that 2 stars solo. No joke

Failiness is taken into account when rating a map as well

<BµmM>

Do a townhall about the ratings and we can discuss them

afaik we already have it

JoxZ

i had the 45º bind before and it moved my gun 45º too, but now with the bind x "+toggle cl_mouse_max_distance 2 400" it seems to move weird and slow (edited)

it's best to lower your mousesens within that bind too bind x "+toggle cl_mouse_max_distance 2 400; +toggle inp_mousesens 5 <YOUR_OLD_INP_MOUSESENS_VALUE>"

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manikoo

afaik we already have it

we had a rerating channel some time ago

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1263444360536526880

Freezy

Failiness is taken into account when rating a map as well

If you speedrun that map it could well be a 2 stars, if you spend more than 10 seconds per part it's not really faily anymore. This really was the last msg :c

Devinci

even tutorial has harder parts than that 2 stars solo. No joke

Are you talking about Amethyst? It was rated like that because of the failyness.

Devinci

even tutorial has harder parts than that 2 stars solo. No joke

now that's controversial

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i spend less time for 4 star solo than for buckle up 1 star shito

buckle up bugged

Tutorial does have some rather problematic parts where people get stuck and I see people leaving

manikoo

i spend less time for 4 star solo than for buckle up 1 star shito

and flappy bird is so hard

Anyway, this channel isn't for this. So if you want to keep discussing it maybe move to general or a townhall thread

Learath2

Tutorial does have some rather problematic parts where people get stuck and I see people leaving

I'm sure tutorial doesn't feature faily grenade moves and double nades tho

Learath2

Anyway, this channel isn't for this. So if you want to keep discussing it maybe move to general or a townhall thread

oh so when a green name says it people listen but when a mod mentions it he gets ignored angy

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Freezy

I'm sure tutorial doesn't feature faily grenade moves and double nades tho

Idk what map he was comparing it to. I was just saying there are parts in it that are too hard for first timers

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i want melon role fr

rating solos on 5* discrete scale will be inaccurate anyways (edited)

18:58

i'd rather have 1* be skewed to be a lot easier than the rest tbf

18:59

new players come on solo map and do /random map 1, if they get hard shit they'll just quit

:(

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287850979244507267/1287850979244507267

19:00

i started a post in the forum, lets go there

ok to keep #questions questions, what is the easiest solo?

putt putt!

Welf

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1287850979244507267/1287850979244507267

always when someone say "go other channel" all dudes just get stuck and exit chatting

Welf

putt putt!

i remember playing it when i just started, it was dope

19:01

even as a new comer

putt putt really so ez

19:01

d9n't need any ddnet skills

maybe ask what's the easiest non gimmick solo

19:02

flappy bird easiest to finish

louis

flappy bird easiest to finish

NO

what's the easiest non gimmick solo that isn't 0 points? (edited)

what about shooting range

manikoo

NO

i still can't finish it

last parts kinda hard for newer players

19:03

imo something like mud maybe

♂S1mple♂

what's the easiest non gimmick solo that isn't 0 points? (edited)

basics

real

manikoo

basics

oh no

manikoo

basics

thats a novice map?

ye ye