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Ewan

otherwise you would not be able to see the tees unless you did /showall

This would work if the client only sent the camera position. But it also sends the id of who you are speccing. I think that was the question

00:07

Even tho you could check that even if the client didn't send any info about who they're speccing

<ChillerDragon> #someone4president

00:19

<ChillerDragon> can we start a vote to make SP | Someone ddnet admin?

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2

i don't think chiller can see the vote

current standings are 5/1 in his favor

<ChillerDragon> poggers2

poggers2

anyone know why there is a -1 at the end of these 2 lines? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/render_map.cpp#L591-L592 it just seems to make things look weird in my opinion because it cuts off 1 pixel from the edge of the tile

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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

091cf91 M Monkey Sky - ddnet-maps

04:32

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9020 Add dbg_sql config to hide non error sql logs

The default option is on. So nothing in the logging output changes. But users now have the option to set dbg_sql 0 which hides all the sql logging unless there is an error.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds a...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9021 Fix hot_reload losing spectator state

This fixes the bug that moved spectators in game on hot_reload

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or...

art0007i

anyone know why there is a -1 at the end of these 2 lines? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/render_map.cpp#L591-L592 it just seems to make things look weird in my opinion because it cuts off 1 pixel from the edge of the tile

cuz old mapres were shifted justatest

justatest

afair

05:31

any experts of tile render there

<ChillerDragon> patiga is pro

chiller does my pr affect any existing mod?

05:32

because now id predefines tunes for all mods

<ChillerDragon> i think so

it*

05:32

and my pr makes it only for ddrace and ddnet

<ChillerDragon> im not sure i would have to test it

05:33

<ChillerDragon> so many things to think about

if you have time and will pls

<ChillerDragon> also why u ignore ma comment xd

because i couldn't figure out how ur issue connects with my pr

05:34

what exactly is wrong

<ChillerDragon> then ignore the issue and only respond to the question

05:34

<ChillerDragon> why is tunes ddrace tiles

because if server wants to predict ddrace tiles its supposedly ddrace based

05:35

and needs these tunes to operate

<ChillerDragon> i disagree

05:35

<ChillerDragon> gun curvature and speedups are two different things

but now it does affect all mods

05:36

what do you want, to remove ddrace tiles check?

<ChillerDragon> why have PredictDDrace and PredictDDraceTiles if tiles does not mean tiles

05:36

<ChillerDragon> @zhn well as proposed in the issue i might even want a PredictDDraceTunes flag :p

i want to fix vanilla demos, not to make another protocol entry xd

05:37

i wonder how it works good in game and doesnt in demos

05:37

something is wrong

<ChillerDragon> but why did you add predicttiles whats the use case?

if server sent no predict ddrace but predict ddrace tiles xd

05:38

why would u need to predict ddrace tiles and not to have default ddnet tunes

<ChillerDragon> which server does that? and why does that mean that the tunes are ddrace based?

05:38

<ChillerDragon> @zhn ddnet-insta

also it affects only demos

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @zhn ddnet-insta

do u send predict ddrace tiles in ddnet insta?

05:39

i would 1 tick freeze by prediction if u did

05:39

on health pickup touch

<ChillerDragon> well yea thats what https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8923 is about

More prediction flags to allow vanilla pickups mixed with ddrace ti...

When introducing vanilla pickups (armor, health, weapons being collectable and having a different effect than ddrace) the GAMEINFOFLAG_PREDICT_DDRACE has to be removed otherwise ddnet's anti pi...

05:40

<ChillerDragon> currently vanilla weapons plus ddrace tiles such as speedups and stoppers is a mess to get predicted correctly

05:40

<ChillerDragon> your pr looks like it would make it even worse and i dont see the use case

why would u need speeders and stoppers in vanilla xd

<ChillerDragon> its cool?

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> your pr looks like it would make it even worse and i dont see the use case

join jsaurus server with ddnet

05:40

pew pew with shotgun

05:40

and pistol

05:40

move to demos

05:41

and voila

05:41

wrong tunes by default

05:41

join any vanilla server

05:41

even infclass is affected

05:41

its 7 year issue that was introduced by defaulting ddrace tunes

<ChillerDragon> yes sounds good to fix that but my question stands

05:41

<ChillerDragon> why ddracetiles

tell me what it would break in your current setup

<ChillerDragon> it just seems wrong

05:42

<ChillerDragon> tiles should mean tiles

what exactly

<ChillerDragon> your prediction is not about tiles

what about ddrqce tune zones? arent these tiles?

<ChillerDragon> hmm

i wouldn't mind if theyre handled differently

<ChillerDragon> yea imo this should be PredictDDraceWeapons

it affects only demos btw

05:45

if u will encounter anything like that in the future we can hop in making new protocol entry

05:45

i just don't want it to be protocol dependent

05:45

unless existing ones

<ChillerDragon> why not prepare something clean now for the future?

<ChillerDragon> the prediction code is such a rabbit hole. TIL the ddnet client hardcodes a specific hammer tuning for fng https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/f9df4a85be4ca94ca91057cd447707bcce16fd94/src/game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp#L334-L346

ddnet/src/game/client/prediction/entities/character.cpp at f9df4a85...

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I guess tuning can't work if you're a vanilla server?

06:11

or the server simply doesn't care about correct prediction

Tater

or the server simply doesn't care about correct prediction

everything is fine ingame

06:32

demo tunings fuck ups on these hardcoded values

I'm not taking about demos

Tater

I'm not taking about demos

what then

Tater

I guess tuning can't work if you're a vanilla server?

but vanilla servers have their tunings justatest

justatest

Why doesn't the fng server simply send hammer strength tunes so the client doesn't need these hard coded values?

Tater

Why doesn't the fng server simply send hammer strength tunes so the client doesn't need these hard coded values?

for the same reason why ddnet tunes are hardcoded ig

06:34

idk which though xd

zhn

for the same reason why ddnet tunes are hardcoded ig

I think it's not the same but ok

Tater

I think it's not the same but ok

afair jupeyys or whatever fng we have has hardcoded strength instead of tuning

06:35

not 100% information

Why do demos need tunes at all? They run physics?

demo is just replaying received snapshots as far as i can tell

so how can tunes mess it up

so its a game runningz actually

zhn

join jsaurus server with ddnet

@Tater

That doesn't answer my question

06:39

I just don't understand why tunes should affect the demo

06:40

Do you mean the demo playback is wrong or the demo saving is wrong?

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/1281049686911746069

06:41

ah waiy

06:41

wrong one

Is it saving or playback tho?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824745028311711814/1281009696853069886/sg_demo_bug.mp4?ex=66f1e3bf&is=66f0923f&hm=b95ac0163dbd126afd638081cf2fd8625f33fdd0bcc15209b6675d9ac73ab7eb&

Tater

Is it saving or playback tho?

and it was like this for a long time

06:42

justatest

Can you just answer the question I don't have my pc to test it

wdym by saving or replaying?

06:43

both

06:43

rendering is just capturing demos playback

If you save the demo on a patched client and play it back on an unpatched one does it work? If you save the demo on an unpatched client and play it back on a patched one does it work?

only playback

That's ambiguous just put yes/no for each

you can watch this demo with patched client and everything is fine

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Ok thanks

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Tater

That's ambiguous just put yes/no for each

im typing in -2 by celcius, just wait pls xd

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06:52

hm interesting what if i hardcode gravity to 0 xd

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06:52

would demo also try to render it like this

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Are gun projectiles not part of snapshot data?

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07:01

So the client has to predict them during playback?

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07:01

so weird

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07:02

I thought for sure they should be in snapshots so idk what's happening

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@Fantrap can you stop please

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block him to stop reactions

07:21

easy solution

An idea to ponder and consider: We already have few states Default, Freeze, Deep Freeze. Is it possible to somehow make a new state? let's call it "Mechanized" ofc need two blocks like a Freeze / Unfreeze, but for this state. (for example Mechanize / Unmechanize) One gives this state and second removes state from Tee. Tee with this state "Mechanized" is like a frozen Tee. Player can not control it by inputs, but Mechanized Tee can be control by another way. By touch to the {Mech Command Blocks}. for example: if state of Tee is "Mechanized" and it touches to Mech Command Block "HOLD LEFT", then it will automatically hold it's virtual key [LEFT] all time... until it touches another {Mech Command Block} "RELEASE LEFT" It can hold or release he's virtual keys [LEFT, RIGHT, JUMP, SHOOT, HOOK] and change look direction (by touch to Mech Command Blocks). i think for it need 13 blocks or more... 1) "Mechanize" set state "Mechanized" 2) "Unmechanize" clear state "Mechanized" 3) "HOLD LEFT" starts holds it's virtual key [LEFT] 4) "HOLD RIGHT" starts holds it's virtual key [RIGHT] 5) "HOLD JUMP" starts holds it's virtual key [JUMP] 6) "HOLD SHOOT" starts holds it's virtual key [SHOOT] 7) "HOLD HOOK" starts holds it's virtual key [HOOK] 8) "RELEASE LEFT" releases it's virtual key [LEFT] 9) "RELEASE RIGHT" releases it's virtual key [RIGHT] 10) "RELEASE JUMP" releases it's virtual key [JUMP] 11) "RELEASE SHOOT" releases it's virtual key [SHOOT] 12) "RELEASE HOOK" releases it's virtual key [HOOK] 12) "HOOK DIRECTION" i do not know how it can be realized but may be like speedup blocks Or it can be realized by tune layer and then we need only first 2 blocks (Mechanize / Unmechanize) I think this will add more variety to the game in many modes. This mechanic can create new unique maps. Will open a new window for creativity.

Tater

Are gun projectiles not part of snapshot data?

they are part of it

08:00

at least their existence

08:01

in the snapshot they only store their start point + direction, not all that much

08:01

so the client does need to work out the flight path of the projectile

Tater

Why do demos need tunes at all? They run physics?

yes they also run a subset of physics, its called "dead reckoning" in the code

Server should send parabolic coefficients kek

kek

happy

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in essence, as long as a tee doesnt change inputs and doesn't interact with projectiles/tees, it will be viewed as easily predictable (with dead reckoning, a subset of physics) so a tee with none of the interactions will not show up as changed in the snap to save space, and the client kknows to predict the movement of that tee thats also why teecore has a tick field. with it you know how many ticks of physics this tee needs to advance

Patiga

yes they also run a subset of physics, its called "dead reckoning" in the code

I assumed this was only used during actual gameplay to save bandwidth

I was hoping that too, but then I needed to implement it for my demo renderer

Zabenom

An idea to ponder and consider: We already have few states Default, Freeze, Deep Freeze. Is it possible to somehow make a new state? let's call it "Mechanized" ofc need two blocks like a Freeze / Unfreeze, but for this state. (for example Mechanize / Unmechanize) One gives this state and second removes state from Tee. Tee with this state "Mechanized" is like a frozen Tee. Player can not control it by inputs, but Mechanized Tee can be control by another way. By touch to the {Mech Command Blocks}. for example: if state of Tee is "Mechanized" and it touches to Mech Command Block "HOLD LEFT", then it will automatically hold it's virtual key [LEFT] all time... until it touches another {Mech Command Block} "RELEASE LEFT" It can hold or release he's virtual keys [LEFT, RIGHT, JUMP, SHOOT, HOOK] and change look direction (by touch to Mech Command Blocks). i think for it need 13 blocks or more... 1) "Mechanize" set state "Mechanized" 2) "Unmechanize" clear state "Mechanized" 3) "HOLD LEFT" starts holds it's virtual key [LEFT] 4) "HOLD RIGHT" starts holds it's virtual key [RIGHT] 5) "HOLD JUMP" starts holds it's virtual key [JUMP] 6) "HOLD SHOOT" starts holds it's virtual key [SHOOT] 7) "HOLD HOOK" starts holds it's virtual key [HOOK] 8) "RELEASE LEFT" releases it's virtual key [LEFT] 9) "RELEASE RIGHT" releases it's virtual key [RIGHT] 10) "RELEASE JUMP" releases it's virtual key [JUMP] 11) "RELEASE SHOOT" releases it's virtual key [SHOOT] 12) "RELEASE HOOK" releases it's virtual key [HOOK] 12) "HOOK DIRECTION" i do not know how it can be realized but may be like speedup blocks Or it can be realized by tune layer and then we need only first 2 blocks (Mechanize / Unmechanize) I think this will add more variety to the game in many modes. This mechanic can create new unique maps. Will open a new window for creativity.

this could get lost in this chat, maybe post your idea in #town-hall or open a github issue :)

Sounds kinda cool but also probably a nightmare to implement.

08:14

I think except for hook and shoot you can achieve most of the same effect with freeze and speedups but probably not to the precision you want

Patiga

this could get lost in this chat, maybe post your idea in #town-hall or open a github issue :)

thx i do not know where is allowed write ideas that's why i write here thx i will write it in town-hall github issue <--- i do not know where is it

art0007i

anyone know why there is a -1 at the end of these 2 lines? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/render_map.cpp#L591-L592 it just seems to make things look weird in my opinion because it cuts off 1 pixel from the edge of the tile

are you sure your grid is correct? pls send that mapres that -1 is only in affect if your renderer doesn't support array textures, in which case that range is inclusive (as texture coordinates) and thereby needs -1 note that your renderer peobably supports array textures

Zabenom

thx i do not know where is allowed write ideas that's why i write here thx i will write it in town-hall github issue <--- i do not know where is it

heartw

town-hall is a good place, a github issue is not required

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Zabenom

An idea to ponder and consider: We already have few states Default, Freeze, Deep Freeze. Is it possible to somehow make a new state? let's call it "Mechanized" ofc need two blocks like a Freeze / Unfreeze, but for this state. (for example Mechanize / Unmechanize) One gives this state and second removes state from Tee. Tee with this state "Mechanized" is like a frozen Tee. Player can not control it by inputs, but Mechanized Tee can be control by another way. By touch to the {Mech Command Blocks}. for example: if state of Tee is "Mechanized" and it touches to Mech Command Block "HOLD LEFT", then it will automatically hold it's virtual key [LEFT] all time... until it touches another {Mech Command Block} "RELEASE LEFT" It can hold or release he's virtual keys [LEFT, RIGHT, JUMP, SHOOT, HOOK] and change look direction (by touch to Mech Command Blocks). i think for it need 13 blocks or more... 1) "Mechanize" set state "Mechanized" 2) "Unmechanize" clear state "Mechanized" 3) "HOLD LEFT" starts holds it's virtual key [LEFT] 4) "HOLD RIGHT" starts holds it's virtual key [RIGHT] 5) "HOLD JUMP" starts holds it's virtual key [JUMP] 6) "HOLD SHOOT" starts holds it's virtual key [SHOOT] 7) "HOLD HOOK" starts holds it's virtual key [HOOK] 8) "RELEASE LEFT" releases it's virtual key [LEFT] 9) "RELEASE RIGHT" releases it's virtual key [RIGHT] 10) "RELEASE JUMP" releases it's virtual key [JUMP] 11) "RELEASE SHOOT" releases it's virtual key [SHOOT] 12) "RELEASE HOOK" releases it's virtual key [HOOK] 12) "HOOK DIRECTION" i do not know how it can be realized but may be like speedup blocks Or it can be realized by tune layer and then we need only first 2 blocks (Mechanize / Unmechanize) I think this will add more variety to the game in many modes. This mechanic can create new unique maps. Will open a new window for creativity.

You should probably open an issue for a feature request since it will get lost quickly in this channel

he knows already

I already redirected them to #town-hall , github issues tend to be complicated ^^

i added that message in town-hall with tag Features it's correct?

looks good

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morning peeps

Ryozuki

morning peeps

mornin

@Learath2 treesitter is soo good

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im working on ddlauncher

08:40

ddlaunch

transparent launcher?

Ryozuki

im working on ddlauncher

melons working on that too

08:41

in rust

08:41

justatest

zhn

melons working on that too

well i mentioned it yesterday i would give it a try

08:48

xd

justatest

Ryozuki

well i mentioned it yesterday i would give it a try

does it have ads? (edited)

zhn

in rust

No in golang kek

kek

08:52

But I'm not sure if I'll stick with lyne as my way of gui'ing, it's supposed to run on a toaster and I'm not sure if that may be to heavy (edited)

meloƞ

No in golang kek

kek

waaaaaat

ikr, I'm crazy!

kek

mine will be crazy fast

blazingly xD

Teero

does it have ads? (edited)

why would it have ads? tf

Ryozuki

why would it have ads? tf

Ad revenue to pay for better fishy food

are you anti rust?

just a joke

that repo was already shared

oki

it misses the point completly anyway of rust

im doing rust right now!

09:02

i couldn't be antirust

even if the implementation may (and probs have some CVEs), or even if there is a broken thing in a very obscure code that breaks the borrow checker

09:03

rust is still useful

09:03

in c++ u just need to pop a empty vector to get a segfault

09:04

Exception safety If the container is not empty, the function never throws exceptions (no-throw guarantee). Otherwise, it causes undefined behavior.

i mean that would be a skill issue

all is skill issue

yea

just dont code

09:04

no segfaults

09:04

go start a farm

Ryozuki

go start a farm

Can I join

I take care of fishies

just do some asan/ubsan/tsan and almost everything is easily solveable

copium

09:05

we do that in ddnet

09:05

i still see segfaults in issues

and else you'd just panic

09:06

it's still a crash xd

panics are controlled

09:06

segfaults arent

09:06

its far from the same

09:06

a panic is like a thrown exception in c++ kinda

09:06

anyway being panicless is easier than being segfaultless

You wouldn't reach the state of a panic unintentionally like you would a segfault

but its not comparable

09:07

panic != segfault

09:07

also panics can have user friendly messages

09:07

u can pinpoint a issue faster with that msg

09:07

a segfault a user faces usually just has an address

sometimes i just don't like ownership stuff in rust. i feel like i could write the same thing in c or c++ in less loc

09:08

the crate system and stuff are done really well though

i dont care about locs that much

09:08

rust maybe has more locs due to style not code itself

Ryozuki

also panics can have user friendly messages

"uwu, my tummy hurts at reading the file, file not found"

in fact c++ has longer names usually too

09:08

hi mom i want a std::pmr::monotonic_buffer_resource

im not talking about style xd

i think it makes no sense to relate locs to ownership

09:09

ppl dislike ownership because it 90% of time finds their code is faulty

09:09

most ppl are dumb

09:09

xd

C++ gives me the sheer power to shoot my own leg off and I like it!

you probs have some UB issues in your code

09:10

and u wont know it

idk i can do fancy smart stuff in c++ that juggles memory but if i know all the cases nothing goes wrong

"if i know all the cases nothing goes wrong"

09:10

said everybody

Ryozuki

you probs have some UB issues in your code

ubsan is there

yet it segfaults

skill issue

yeah ur skill too probs

ye you can't always do it first try xd

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=87191 https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/75856 https://github.com/google/sanitizers/issues/940

09:11

just a quick google

09:11

and already 3 misses

09:12

rust doesnt miss, but it tradesoff some valid cases

09:13

ubsan is nice, but its just a monkeypatch

09:13

like the bare minimum

09:14

have u considered zig?

Ryozuki

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=87191 https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/75856 https://github.com/google/sanitizers/issues/940

940 is not even ub, 75856 is nothing you would not notice

Ryozuki

have u considered zig?

not yet

hoping to see another great lang popping off

09:17

building on rust greatness

09:17

zig is not that tho

09:17

but the comptime is interesting

https://github.com/mstange/samply

GitHub - mstange/samply: Command-line sampling profiler for macOS a...

Command-line sampling profiler for macOS and Linux - mstange/samply

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #303 Cross out everything outdated on ddnet.org/olddomain

Also remove the translations, they don't add value anymore since it's not a warning that everybody must understand.

@heinrich5991 ur pr is missing a li tag

thanks, will fix later

Ryozuki

@heinrich5991 ur pr is missing a li tag

what is li an abbreviation for?

list item

10:38

but the html element is just <li>

10:38

@Robyt3 maybe we can publish ddnet on https://f-droid.org/ once the android port gets out of beta

F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository

F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to browse, install, and keep track of updates on your device.

with the announcement from @heinrich5991 (1287179183205781575) I wonder if you can use dns poisoning in order to make people download hacked clients. Does the ddnet client check the certificate before updateing?

yes

11:05

certificates are checked

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heinrich5991

@Robyt3 maybe we can publish ddnet on https://f-droid.org/ once the android port gets out of beta

yeah. I plan to release a small update to the beta this week. if that doesn't add any news bugs we could think about building a real release for the website and f-droid.

11:07

Maybe we should switch default graphics backend to OpenGL for Android though, since Vulkan is unstable for some users and the memory usage is also too high for some users

Teero

sometimes i just don't like ownership stuff in rust. i feel like i could write the same thing in c or c++ in less loc

can you give an example?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9022 Whitelist logger valgrind errors

This now shows 0 errors or warnings:

valgrind --tool=memcheck --gen-suppressions=all --suppressions=../memcheck.supp --leak-check=full --show-leak-kinds=all ./DDNet-Server

Closed #8943

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ~~ingame~~
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null ...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8393 Check whether using a C header trips up clang-tidy

@Headshot btw, old client versions are unbanned again, all the different ported versions should work aagain

Ellipsis is python are so confusing. I thought its only used for a field that is required but can be set to None, aka code that doesn't exist yet, but apperantly the actual intended use is in the numpy which adds a multidimensional array types

12:05

I'm using them as a placeholder in my code anyway greenthing

greenthing

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7777 Source-level moddability discussion

Patiga

are you sure your grid is correct? pls send that mapres that -1 is only in affect if your renderer doesn't support array textures, in which case that range is inclusive (as texture coordinates) and thereby needs -1 note that your renderer peobably supports array textures

it's 1024x1024 and each grid tile is 64x64 px, but it can be noticed with basically any mapres with a symmetrical tile, and rotate it 180 degrees it will be 1 pixel off (this is how I originally found this issue), here's a picture with ddnet_walls and it still has this. also I think that code is ran regardless of if your renderer supports array textures, I don't see any check that would prevent it.

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art0007i

it's 1024x1024 and each grid tile is 64x64 px, but it can be noticed with basically any mapres with a symmetrical tile, and rotate it 180 degrees it will be 1 pixel off (this is how I originally found this issue), here's a picture with ddnet_walls and it still has this. also I think that code is ran regardless of if your renderer supports array textures, I don't see any check that would prevent it.

this line checks the renderer https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/f9df4a85be4ca94ca91057cd447707bcce16fd94/src/game/client/render_map.cpp#L603

12:42

but tru, your mapres appears correct

12:44

have you tried out a different renderer backend?

I have not. will try it now

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could you send me the map?

12:45

(I'm on my laptop where map stuff is kind of a hassle)

ohh so for some reason my render was opengl 1.5, switched to vulkan and it does not chop off the last pixel

ah nice, yea opengl does some buggy stuff

here's the map if you still want it

5.21 KB

12:49

but I don't think it should ever chop off the last pixel even if your renderer doesn't support array textures

yea its definitely not perfect

12:57

my guess is that it solves some other problem, maybe texture bleeding, where you'd see the edge of the next tile or something similar

Without the - 1 you get small gaps between tiles when zooming in with OpenGL 1

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remove ogl1 support

13:08

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchive

Parchive (a portmanteau of parity archive, and formally known as Parity Volume Set Specification) is an erasure code system that produces par files for checksum verification of data integrity, with the capability to perform data recovery operations that can repair or regenerate corrupted or missing data. Parchive was originally written to solve...

13:08

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 did u know about this?

no, what's the use case?

Nope, looks interesting

13:10

I'm too young to have used Usenet. It was just about to perish when I started internetting

Robyt3

Without the - 1 you get small gaps between tiles when zooming in with OpenGL 1

I still see those either way, but I guess with the -1 it's less visible

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art0007i

I still see those either way, but I guess with the -1 it's less visible

Seem like it's related to the mipmap level. You can replace all GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR with GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_NEAREST and CL_LINEAR with CL_NEAREST and remove the - 1 to get rid of the gaps, but everything will be more pixelated then.

13:22

(replace in backend_opengl.cpp)

usenet is big

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13:53

building a project with llvm deps kek

13:53

in rust

13:53

well its more a linker thing tbh

heinrich5991

@Headshot btw, old client versions are unbanned again, all the different ported versions should work aagain

yeah they work now

https://rust-lang.github.io/async-book/01_getting_started/01_chapter.html

Getting Started - Asynchronous Programming in Rust

murpi

Ellipsis is python are so confusing. I thought its only used for a field that is required but can be set to None, aka code that doesn't exist yet, but apperantly the actual intended use is in the numpy which adds a multidimensional array types

it has use? i just use it like pass

@Patiga Unable to find installation candidates for twmap (0.6.2) on MacOS M2 via Poetry

Avolicious

@Patiga Unable to find installation candidates for twmap (0.6.2) on MacOS M2 via Poetry

I haven't looked into cross compilation to macos yet, currently there is no twmap for macos on pypi

Patiga

I haven't looked into cross compilation to macos yet, currently there is no twmap for macos on pypi

Yeah

Noticed too

you can ofc always build the python module locally if you do start to use it on macos regularly, I'll try to get it into my release process

Patiga

you can ofc always build the python module locally if you do start to use it on macos regularly, I'll try to get it into my release process

Well, I tried to integrate the compile with poetry, but I havent managed so far

15:24

I would use it on a atleast weekly basis as I have to stay long in the office, so I can work on it our maps-workflow

I'll take a look tomorrow or in a couple of days later. if I forget it and you have that problem again, feel free to ping me :)

Patiga

I'll take a look tomorrow or in a couple of days later. if I forget it and you have that problem again, feel free to ping me :)

Sure, I can try to build too & submit it into the build process if you want to

15:26

Maybe gitlab ci?

would be neat :)

i've been using neoqwertz as my keyboard layout for a little over a week now and i'm loving it so far, highly recommend it for people coding alot on a german keyboard layout, much easier to type things like {} () " ' | ~, ( and since it's an executable it's not as annoying to setup like other keyboard layouts)

just dont use german keyboard kek

kek

16:01

I use US keyboard with EurKey layout (US with alt+a = ä etc)

i very much dislike the US key layout :P

16:05

so beautiful harold

harold

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meloƞ

so beautiful harold

harold

ah yes

teero when try it out

tf

16:17

what us key layout is that?

16:17

mine doesnt look like that

Ryozuki

what us key layout is that?

nah its the one i currently use kekw

kekw

16:17

it uses modifiers so i dont have to lift of my fingers to type anything, pretty neat if you get used to it

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meloƞ

so beautiful harold

harold

wtf

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qwerty is ok for typing but ye lots of coding symbols are in annoying places

Ryozuki

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which mac?

16:18

i saw macos is getting a rly nice update

m3 max pro iirc, it has 36gb ram

justatest

2

Ryozuki

m3 max pro iirc, it has 36gb ram

pepeW

how much was it

@meloƞ i think its over 3.5k€, but i got it for free my company gave it for work

ayo???????????

its not mine but i can use it for anything

16:20

as long as i work here xd

meloƞ

it uses modifiers so i dont have to lift of my fingers to type anything, pretty neat if you get used to it

lmao are those math symbols latex or unicode characters

if u want ur devs to be productive, specially in rust, provide them with good hardware kek

16:20

but the cost to $$ ratio is insane

16:21

only bad companies dont spend on hardware for devs

16:21

i think for example in nvidia 1 dev equals millions in profit

16:21

or more

16:21

hard to estimate tbh xd

16:21

but when im at home i use my nasa pc

16:22

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16:22

its funny i swapped when i compiled some rust stuff

where 1440p

louis

lmao are those math symbols latex or unicode characters

both

otherwise nasa pc

meloƞ

teero when try it out

gonna build cyberdeck with that layout

KEKW

1

idk i never got into 1440p

16:28

ddnet/build on  master [$!] via △ v3.30.2
❯ clang --version
clang version 19.1.0
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /usr/lib/llvm/19/bin
Configuration file: /etc/clang/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-clang.cfg

ddnet/build on  master [$!] via △ v3.30.2
❯ time ninja
[0/315] Generating release/libddnet_engine_shared.a
    Updating crates.io index
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  Downloaded 9 crates (664.7 KB) in 1.18s
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real    0m18.661s
user    5m1.126s
sys    0m31.497s

16:28

ddnet 18s in release

16:28

clean build

16:29

and with download x

16:29

xD

16:29

ddnet/build on  master [$!] via △ v3.30.2
❯ time ninja
[0/315] Generating release/libddnet_engine_shared.a
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   Compiling link-cplusplus v1.0.6
   Compiling cxx v1.0.71
   Compiling cxxbridge-macro v1.0.71
   Compiling ddnet-base v0.0.1 (/home/edgar/data/ddnet/src/base)
   Compiling ddnet-engine v0.0.1 (/home/edgar/data/ddnet/src/engine)
    Finished `release` profile [optimized] target(s) in 2.35s
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"clean" build too, but i have ccache

16:29

guys u should use ccache its nice

louis

qwerty is ok for typing but ye lots of coding symbols are in annoying places

huh, US ANSI keyboard layout is imo not too bad for programming

its actually quite good yeah

16:30

idk how to type tyhe ñ there

16:30

tho

Look at something like turkish, every brace is behind a combination

the*

16:31

ç

16:31

áéíìùúòó

16:31

üï

I'm guessing you get an IME for those or learn the compose thing that I still didn't learn in years

in slack

16:31

if u hold the n

16:31

u can type ñ

Learath2

huh, US ANSI keyboard layout is imo not too bad for programming

brackets are annoying for me

You can do like Compose - ~ - a to get ã but I don't have a compose key defined

i guess id rather have it as a super key near the middle of the keyboard

louis

brackets are annoying for me

hum, what do you code on normally?

normal us ansi

16:34

i also use a lot of latex for school

16:34

things like escaping curly brackets always drops my wpm to 50 or smth

Maybe I'm just not a fast enough typer to notice, or maybe since I used to code on turkish Q this one feels very good relatively

on my es keyboard escape is altgr and º

16:36

\

Compose is nice, I should learn to use compose

16:39

ç

anyone know of a bluetooth DAC that supports aptX lossless?

Ryozuki

m3 max pro iirc, it has 36gb ram

nice

16:45

they love u there XD

@Ewan i have a fiio k7 bt

16:50

it claims to have aptx iirc

16:50

its 200€ tho

A bluetooth DAC is an interesting concept

mine has BT

16:50

its nice

16:50

i switch mode and connect the phone

16:51

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16:51

the stick behind is the antenna xd

Ryozuki

it claims to have aptx iirc

it even has aptx-ll heh

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16:53

269,99€ now

16:53

it went up in price lol

16:53

stonks

I wonder how well the software supports it, the file needs to go directly over bluetooth to the dac for it to matter

16:53

no re-encoding allowed

idk

16:53

i use it with usb on pc

16:53

it runs nice on linux

16:54

i wanted to try a audio interface, but apparently its wierd for audio interfaces to have RCA outs???

16:54

i just wanted to connect my mic with XLR instead of usb c

Ryozuki

i wanted to try a audio interface, but apparently its wierd for audio interfaces to have RCA outs???

huh, wym?

most audio intefaces i searched on amazon dont have rca

16:56

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16:56

should i use a audio interface AND my DAC?

Ah, I guess these things all have ADCs in them

interface for inputs only?

16:57

and dac for output

16:57

idk

Ryozuki

it claims to have aptx iirc

ye

i want RCA cuz my monitors use rca

aptx lossless is a new codec

16:57

different from aptx

16:57

but seems too new

16:57

nobody has it yet

Ryozuki

interface for inputs only?

Well yes, and I think I understand why they only have digital outputs, they probably mix in digital

what u think about this combo?

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16:58

its in my wanted list

16:58

upgrade

16:58

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I haven't looked at speakers in a decade now, I've always been a headphone person

i love speakers

16:58

i dont use headphones

16:59

@Learath2 do u have lot of hair btw?

Ryozuki

@Learath2 do u have lot of hair btw?

Yes

xD

16:59

i think il lgo bald in 10y

16:59

kek

16:59

but for now im good

16:59

but i prefer no headphones

16:59

justatest

i would just buy presonus eris

what is that

calculate what driver size based on ur room's volume

17:00

monitors

hmm

17:00

i like more how the vulkano look

Ryozuki

i think il lgo bald in 10y

I have a very meh hairline but it seems to have kinda stopped going back, so idk. It's a coinflip for me

the presonus are very proven monitors

17:00

but ye

17:01

ive never heard of the other brand

17:01

so i cant speak to it

Ryozuki

should i use a audio interface AND my DAC?

Why do you want an audio interface anyway? Don't trust the ADC inside the mic itself?

Learath2

Why do you want an audio interface anyway? Don't trust the ADC inside the mic itself?

aparently my mic is quite low

17:01

i probs need a interface to drive it better

17:01

with XLR

17:01

im using it with usb-c

a good interface has a very high quality DAC in itself

17:02

you wouldnt need both

im using this mic

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Ewan

a good interface has a very high quality DAC in itself

tell me a good interface with rca out

rn i have scarlett solo out to headphones in the front, speakers in the back, at2020 in via. XLR, and i have a 1/4" TRRS input for recording musics (edited)

Ryozuki

tell me a good interface with rca out

i bought 1/4" TRS to RCA

17:03

cable

17:03

works very well

is it losless?

it's just a different connector

i also have a 100€ mix table xd (edited)

17:03

would be cool to have it connected to the interface too or smth

expensive cables are audiophile bait

17:04

just buy a decent gague

Ryozuki

is it losless?

The "lossy" part of the process is going from A -> D or D -> A

17:04

After that's done there is only cable losses for analog and no loss for digital

i guess

o

17:04

mixer

17:04

lol

?

my interface has volume knobs for the inputs so i have no need

17:05

i thought u misspell cable

Things like XLR to usb-c adapters hide an ADC inside there, that's why there is loss

^

XLR is analog right?

ye

whats special about xlr

it doesnt destroy ears

17:06

when not plugged in

17:06

no exposed contacts

17:06

and the cable usually locks in

u mean the plug pop?

17:06

ic

17:06

xd

well if u touch a TRS connector it makes crazy sounds

not like i connect or disconnect my cables

bad for really high volume

17:06

audio mixing bugs/delays actually can deafen ppl at live shows

17:07

pops from buffer underruns lol

17:07

they care a lot about that

XLR is also balanced, balanced cables eliminate environmental noise

gigachad

i have to write a docker thing now

(TRS is also balanced)

17:08

RCA is unbalanced

wait

17:08

all TRS is balanced?

17:09

are all jacks TRS?

No

xd

i wouldnt depend on it

17:09

for sure

my headphones have the big jack

17:09

it doesnt mean anything right

not really

17:09

it's just that u dont need adapter for most hifi equipment

17:11

there is a reason the bigger jacks are used

17:11

but for headphones

17:11

eh

your headphones probably don't take a balanced input anyway, if it's TRS it'll be left right ground, no balance

no they arent balanced

You need 5 conductors for balanced stereo

balanced headphones usually take 2.5mm

(honestly the length of cable you run for your headphones doesn't pick up any significant environmental noise unless you have something in your house that is extremely noisy and poorly shielded)

yea

17:14

and if u use IEMs u can (usually) use whatever kind of cable u want

17:14

that is why i was asking about bluetooth dac. i broke my last pair walking around and catching the cable on a drawer handle xd

17:15

u can get IEM bluetooth receivers that are just 2 pin in but the only ones with AAC (need for my iPhone) are like $80 and if i can't even get lossless then it's not that worth

17:16

so i was considering a bluetooth dac instead that i just keep in my pocket

17:16

cable tucked away

Learath2

You need 5 conductors for balanced stereo

Actually 4 conductors are enough, I checked my balanced 2.5mm cable and it's trrs, just 4 conductors

i had a hunch but ive never owned any equipment like that lol

17:17

i need to lock in tho

17:17

bbl

whats lock in

focus

Ryozuki

whats lock in

new zoozer phrase, "focus"

xd

i think it comes from champ select xd

im getting old justatest

justatest

i thought for sure u would know it

17:19

i think its popular with that sigma gym bro stuff

i just go to gym and when i go i think about rust

17:20

justatest

hell yeah

17:20

not to accuse u of anything XDD

xd

17:21

best time to go to gym is 7 morning

17:21

no kids

17:21

and focused ppl

17:21

today i went late at 17

17:21

kids doing shit

yea (edited)

17:24

i gotta get into it

17:25

gym expensive and they try to lock you into predatory contracts

true

17:25

but i found one that doesnt lock you in

17:25

i pay 25€

nice

17:25

per month or day pass

gym is a must tbh

17:25

i feel so good afterwards

yea

even if my day sucked

i work out a home

17:25

but its much easier at gym (edited)

17:26

esp when u mad and driving with nowhere to go

17:26

i do that all the time

go to gym instead of meaningless driving

not meaningless

atleast u improve while mad

17:26

xd

i get to drive fast until the road or the weather puts the fear of god in me

17:26

then i go home

17:26

this may just be a Colorado thing

17:27

speed limits essentially are not enforced on the interstate

17:27

unless you do something actually dangerous

17:28

it is meditative to drive really really fast

17:29

we had the first rain of the season 2 days ago

17:29

and there was a huge college football game so there was lots of traffic but only the opposite direction of the way i was driving

17:30

so i went out and put the windows down and drove (edited)

how fast

justatest

my speedometer is not the most accurate

17:31

it read 100 in some spots

17:31

mph

can u translate

17:31

to km

160

17:31

about

Ewan's a stoner that speeds recklessly, poor dude's gonna perish

maybe i wouldnt be opposed

well 160 is ok

160?

some of u guys have autobahn

Just don't take someone out with you

yea

17:32

fair

ye

i went at 185 with a friend (he was driving) on a audi a4 from 2001 iirx

i have 1999 honda accord with mechanical issues

17:33

so it takes a while to get up to speed

17:33

it also has awesome death wobble

i have a volkswagen tcross rline 2019 justatest

justatest

17:34

i just like that my car can start at level without giving gas xd

this may not mean anything to u but i was on us 36 going towards boulder so we have awesome mountainous terrain

17:34

treacherous highways

is it manual?

i wish

its so weird

17:35

here most are manual

they manufactured and sold both in that time

17:35

there are domestic U.S. 1999 honda accords that are manual

17:35

just not mine

but auto should be more fuel efficient right

yea

17:35

i was considering doing a sequential transmission mod

17:36

but that's expensive kid shit

17:36

the car moves.

in us u can mod ur car easily without beinh lawless?

Ryozuki

i have a volkswagen tcross rline 2019 justatest

justatest

Thats a nice one tho

here it needs to be approved

17:36

and u need to pass ITV

not at all

17:36

depends on the mod basically

Avolicious

Thats a nice one tho

ye i like it

lots of tards drive around with custom hellcats and the first time they get pulled over they get crazy ticket or their car impounded

17:37

cuz they have illegal mods

i have driven a audi a4 from 2001 and a nissan micra from 2013 iirx

17:37

i love my vw

17:37

(all manual)

nice

17:38

my cousin has a 2003 subaru impreza

17:38

manual

17:38

he wont let me drive it

subaruuu

Ryozuki

i have driven a audi a4 from 2001 and a nissan micra from 2013 iirx

Audi is great as well, had a few of them, but sadly often at the mechanic

ya

17:38

german cars lately get a bad rap here

17:38

because they are expensive to maintain

toyota :3

honda :3

ur mom :3

immortal japanese engineering

cheap, don't die

17:39

no maintenance

i always wanted to have a cool mustang

if i buy another car in the next 5 years it'll be the v6 version of my car XD

I am not into cars anymore... they get lame, even with 600+ hp... bikes it is guys

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yea

Does anyone for whatever reason have a 1:1 screen? (edited)

Avolicious

I am not into cars anymore... they get lame, even with 600+ hp... bikes it is guys

cat_whaaa

Avolicious

I am not into cars anymore... they get lame, even with 600+ hp... bikes it is guys

Death awaits

Learath2

Does anyone for whatever reason have a 1:1 screen? (edited)

i think chancho has crt but idk aspect ratio

17:40

but he can select 1:1 res

was never into cars :D

cuz crt

Learath2

Death awaits

You can die in cars too

im not crazy about cars either

Or you cross the street and someone ran you over

i love rust

There is someone complaining in a ticket that he gets grey bars with 1:1

tell them to send a screenshot

Avolicious

Or you cross the street and someone ran you over

I'm sure you can tell the very obvious difference between the 3 examples

or it never happened

1:1 is unsupported? i think we only do 5:4

17:41

so he will have the slightest bars

18.5.1

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ok, it happened

15.5.4

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whata (edited)

egirl tee

img dead

17:42

for me

Learath2

I'm sure you can tell the very obvious difference between the 3 examples

I am driving cars, I am into motorcycles now and I am pedestrian sometimes

i dont see bars

now i want a 1:1 screen

Learath2

18.5.1

grey bottom where the map is cut off?

louis

now i want a 1:1 screen

xDDDD this is pain

i think a decision was deliberately made to not support 1:1 between 15.5.4 and now

Avolicious

I am driving cars, I am into motorcycles now and I am pedestrian sometimes

The odds of getting into an accident and the odds of surviving that accident is vastly different for a pedestrian, a motorcyclist and a car driver

too hard for robsti to maintain compact UIs

Ewan

i think a decision was deliberately made to not support 1:1 between 15.5.4 and now

If that's the case that's what I'll tell the dude. So it's just that we don't support the aspect ratio that's the issue?

odds of dying is always 50%

hello

i believe so

you either die or don't

jxsl13

odds of dying is always 50%

True, all odds are always 50%

jxsl13

odds of dying is always 50%

depends on speed

17:44

i think at 70km ur nearly always ded

odds are always 100% if ur still around to calculate them

just odds when you have a choise of two things

Embedded image

Learath2

True, all odds are always 50%

Glad to have 217 PS on 200kg, so 50% sounds good

Ryozuki

i think at 70km ur nearly always ded

At 70kmh you can most definitely survive in a good car, you will be maimed in a motorcycle accident and you will meet the big man himself as a pedestrian

Speed doesnt kill, becoming suddenly stationary does

slide 500m in protective gear

if u drive fast u need to brake early and often

17:47

even if u cant see the thing that will kill u

jxsl13

slide 500m in protective gear

Okay, I havent done 500m yet

17:47

Dont prepare for the ride, prepare for the slide ^^

1

half km sliding? xd

Yeah if you aren't wearing gear you'll likely lose a limb. With gear you get to slide around before a car runs over you at highway speeds

i hit sketchy turns sometimes that 100% would have killed me had i not precautionarily braked

Ryozuki

half km sliding? xd

Race track

17:48

They are built to stop you pretty quick, even with 200 km/h+

did you know u dont feel the temperature itself with ur skin, but the transfer of heat?

17:48

xd

I wasnt enjoying it tho

17:50

@Learath2 This is how teeworlds looks on 32:9

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17:50

a massive cursor

Ryozuki

did you know u dont feel the temperature itself with ur skin, but the transfer of heat?

crazy

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basically

jxsl13

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i would've won the lottery by now

2

idk why im reading this now but itsi nteresting https://escholarship.org/content/qt3f4599hx/qt3f4599hx_noSplash_522d4a76ad081d5938284a3bfb4e85a8.pdf

17:54

some ppl say the human body is a perfect machine xd

not mine

17:55

maybe some ppl

if u win lottery what would u do

retire

17:56

natural serotonin deficit makes life very hard for a very large portion of the world

Ryozuki

if u win lottery what would u do

Not being in the ddnet discord

why not

Ewan

natural serotonin deficit makes life very hard for a very large portion of the world

i cant say that sounds perfect

its one of the most interesting places

You asked me what I would do. You can do what you'd like to do

xd

he just asked xd

but u can do that without winning lottery

it's free

Ryozuki

but u can do that without winning lottery

True

kog #developer channel when

Teero

i would've won the lottery by now

It's 50/50, you either win or you don't, if you think it's not 50/50 tell me the other option GalaxyBrain

GalaxyBrain

Ewan

kog #developer channel when

We have

17:57

kog always ripping ddnet off

17:58

xD

17:58

(i am kidding)

do u think if u knew how would u die it would change the way u act and change how u die or not?

Ewan

kog always ripping ddnet off

Accounts

fair enough

17:58

i still dont know what we're waiting on

17:58

jopsti's implementation seems very agreeable

17:58

why are we waiting on just him to port the changes xd

Ryozuki

do u think if u knew how would u die it would change the way u act and change how u die or not?

Yes

17:59

I would drive even more crazier on my bike

17:59

Enjoying as long as you can enjoy

Learath2

It's 50/50, you either win or you don't, if you think it's not 50/50 tell me the other option GalaxyBrain

GalaxyBrain

now you can use this insider whenever someone aks for "what are the chances to ... or ..."

Ryozuki

do u think if u knew how would u die it would change the way u act and change how u die or not?

If you can change it, just knowing it will definitely instantly change it. If you can't change it, by knowing how/when it happens you might augment your behaviour if it's very close

asks

Sticker

Learath2

If you can change it, just knowing it will definitely instantly change it. If you can't change it, by knowing how/when it happens you might augment your behaviour if it's very close

I would definitely live differently if I knew I'd get hit by a car in 3 weeks no matter what

18:01

And I'd make sure I'll be indoors on the day of, because I want to see how a car will get there to hit me

what if u knew for certain u would die as a symptom of old age

18:02

and you knew for sure you would have a long life

18:02

not necessarily prosperous

Then I'd change nothing. It's just a normal death

Learath2

And I'd make sure I'll be indoors on the day of, because I want to see how a car will get there to hit me

truck-kun (edited)

If I'm guaranteed a date of death then I might change a couple things. I'll first start doing all the harmful things

Learath2

If I'm guaranteed a date of death then I might change a couple things. I'll first start doing all the harmful things

Are you talking about drugs now? xD

well why not

18:03

actually

Avolicious

Are you talking about drugs now? xD

Mostly smoking and alcohol to look cool

there are some amazing reasons why not

the highs are higher maybe but the lows are much much lower

Since I can't get cancer who cares might aswell be 500% cooler

sobriety is wisdom

the black smoker lung is a hoax

18:04

the more you know

I'd get a motorcycle but I'm not told whether I'm dying of old age as a quad or not, so maybe not

lol

18:05

assuming you had all of your limbs

18:05

smoking is terrible do not get into it

Learath2

I'd get a motorcycle but I'm not told whether I'm dying of old age as a quad or not, so maybe not

You should

18:05

Get a bike

it can make you a different person within a week

18:06

you can preach all you want but the compulsion to smoke does not go away for a long while

Ewan

smoking is terrible do not get into it

but it's well established that you look 500% cooler if you smoke like a trucker

yea

start smoking, so my stocks go brrrr

to be fair it also tastes disgusting, so maybe not. I guess I'd change nothing if I knew I'd die of old age at 90

you learn to love it after your third cigarette or so

try vaping, same result for my stocks

in my experience

Ewan

you learn to love it after your third cigarette or so

nah, I tried getting into it for a while, it just doesn't work

nice

18:08

immunity

I can get hooked to vaping or smoking shisha though

xD

have you ever smoked weed

18:08

like real flower

Something about cigarettes taste absolutely disgusting to me. It's like a mix of asphalt and burnt bush

maybe i got over the taste of cigs so easy bcs weed tastes so damn terrible

18:09

at least bad weed does

Ewan

maybe i got over the taste of cigs so easy bcs weed tastes so damn terrible

huh, I'd actually disagree, I kinda like the way weed smells/tastes

got no Tegridy Farm stocks, tho

not like I've smoked weed in years now

i've enjoyed the taste of weed before but it's fancy shit my dad buys

18:09

14er pancakes is a good one

18:10

but u probably cant get that anywhere else

Ewan

14er pancakes is a good one

what does this even mean

brand name + strain name

18:10

i havent been doing weed for a week or so tho

Ewan

i havent been doing weed for a week or so tho

good for you

either of my leads will test me

18:10

i would be shooting myself in the foot otherwise

that's tegridy

I can't believe they drug test in the US for random jobs

integridy

Learath2

good for you

thanks. really it's terrible for someone my age

I can't believe it's even legal with the 4th amendment and all

Learath2

I can't believe they drug test in the US for random jobs

one's a dev job the other is a govt job

18:11

they have their reasons

Ewan

thanks. really it's terrible for someone my age

i watched it undo basic executive functions that you learn as a normal person

If you were say operating heavy machinery I'd get it

even when not high i would spend several minutes formulating simple texts

weed at the workplace could lead to some unforseen table drops

it jjust isnt good in that volume

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

if i ever do pick it back up i'd hope it's when my frontal lobe is at least fully developed

Yeah very very bad if you are young, you can't afford to turn into a sea cucumber while your brain is not fully developed yet

yea

18:13

but im becoming functional again ish

18:13

just dont smoke it if you're depressed tbh

18:14

too prone to over indulgence

We turned this place into #off-topic again. We should stop before heinrich comes online

yea

I'll go find food

but also we’re the devs aren’t we xd

18:15

this is the topic that the developers are discussing

was rust in the linux kernel a mistake?

the channel isn’t called development

jxsl13

was rust in the linux kernel a mistake?

I heard it was controversial but not why

is rust commnity too religious about their language?

only 10%

are those 10% loud enough to annoy 100% C devs?

18:18

10% sounds a lot if I think about it

only took me

real    34m51.495s
user    33m44.645s
sys    1m10.158s

to compile ddnet :D

18:20

on a single core mini pc

2

sometimes you loose, sometimes someone else wins

jxsl13

is rust commnity too religious about their language?

yes

18:22

i genuinely believe rust evangelism is only counterproductive

18:23

it is a fantastic language, but it doesn't matter what it is, if you want someone to share your love for something you absolutely do not start by shitting on what they're using

1

I wonder if in 15 years there will be 4 competing memory safe languages but rust will still be dominant because of legacy.

Tater

I wonder if in 15 years there will be 4 competing memory safe languages but rust will still be dominant because of legacy.

there will be c++ng (edited)

@Ewan

poggers2

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python 4 ever

python 4 4ever

Ryozuki

@Ewan

poggers2

nice

Ryozuki

@Ewan

poggers2

vw polo 2023 ?

troll

zaerin

vw polo 2023 ?

this looks similar to my old vw 5 from 2008

19:48

the A/C is newer tho (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9023 Add volume parameter to sound play functions, fix unused volume, refactoring

See commit messages.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet...

roby at this point i'm convinced you touched every piece of code at least once kek

kek

- insane work

meloƞ

roby at this point i'm convinced you touched every piece of code at least once kek

kek

- insane work

you are using nixos right?

yes

meloƞ

yes

can you suggest some resources to learn it?

20:01

im considering switching from arch

watch this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@vimjoyer and join his discord - i'm very active on it

20:02

he does great resources to understand what nix and nixos is, how to use it effectivly and some gimmicks inbetween

20:02

in general - keep in mind nix and nixOS is a declarative operating system, with nix beeing it's own scripting language, so even getting the most simplest of things like setting up docker can be annoying and time consuming (edited)

20:03

if you love to rice your system to the max - i highly recommend it tho :3

meloƞ

watch this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@vimjoyer and join his discord - i'm very active on it

you sent a gold mine ty

owo

zaerin

you sent a gold mine ty

feel free to either join his discord or dm me if you have any questions

20:12

(please join his discord or i loose ad revenue)

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #9024 restart in reset.cfg causes crash

``` Thread 1 "DDNet-Server" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. IGameController::GameServer (this=0x0) at /home/user/Development/ddnet-pr/src/game/server/gamecontroller.h:31 31 CGameContext *GameServer() const { return m_pGameServer; } #0 IGameController::GameServer (this=0x0) at /home/user/Development/ddnet-pr/src/game/server/gamecontroller.h:31 #1 0x000000000037b555 in IGameController::ResetGame (this=0x0) at /home/user/Development/ddnet-pr/src/game/server/gamec...

what’s the probability that someone’s complied the code for xbox? (if it even works) i have a dev mode so as long as i have the file i can install it

meloƞ

feel free to either join his discord or dm me if you have any questions

I looked at the about page on youtube but didnt see the server

20:32

I was gonna look at a video description but I got caught up in the video and ended up watching it

ew nixOS just use void (edited)

zaerin

I was gonna look at a video description but I got caught up in the video and ended up watching it

Lmao that shows it's a good video

meloƞ

Lmao that shows it's a good video

Its the ultimate nixos tutorial vid

zaerin

Its the ultimate nixos tutorial vid

owo

LuKron

what’s the probability that someone’s complied the code for xbox? (if it even works) i have a dev mode so as long as i have the file i can install it

following up on this, would it actually be possible to compile it as an xbox game

LuKron

following up on this, would it actually be possible to compile it as an xbox game

Sure. @Headshot even has a ps2 port. Xbox should be easier

20:37

Actually wait not easier. You need directx on xbox

summoned

Learath2

Sure. @Headshot even has a ps2 port. Xbox should be easier

there's nxdk

Learath2

Actually wait not easier. You need directx on xbox

well i have very very little knowledge in any coding languages. i now have given myself a project

20:38

knowing that’s it’s possible

Headshot

there's nxdk

What does it do? Gl to dx?

xbox open source dev sdk (edited)

20:38

however xbox homebrew is kinda finicky to work with from what i heard

20:39

nxdk still has some bugs and the majority of homebrew was developed using leaked microsoft sdk

Headshot

however xbox homebrew is kinda finicky to work with from what i heard

is it? i’ve had no issues with it. then again im only emulating with it atm

LuKron

knowing that’s it’s possible

Might not be the easiest starter project. You'll need to learn both gl or vk(to understand our gfx code) and dk (possibly old dk if you are compiling for an old xbox like the 360)

20:40

And our gfx backend is on the eccentric side to support gl1, gl3, gl3.3, vk

Learath2

Might not be the easiest starter project. You'll need to learn both gl or vk(to understand our gfx code) and dk (possibly old dk if you are compiling for an old xbox like the 360)

wait my goal is to make it work as an app directly installed to the xbox. rather than emulating

LuKron

what’s the probability that someone’s complied the code for xbox? (if it even works) i have a dev mode so as long as i have the file i can install it

oh wait you were talking about modern xbox? xb one/series?

LuKron

wait my goal is to make it work as an app directly installed to the xbox. rather than emulating

Yeah, but as far as I'm aware the xbox doesnt have gl drivers

Headshot

oh wait you were talking about modern xbox? xb one/series?

lmfao yeah

So you'll need to write a directx backend

i have a series x but no dev mode

20:41

HOWEVER

20:41

someone wrote some kind of mesa translation layer for xbox uwp, gl -> dx12 or something like that

Headshot

i have a series x but no dev mode

i would invite you as a member of my “team” but i think im apart of someone else’s so i can actually invite anyone

Learath2

So you'll need to write a directx backend

well i like challenges (edited)

There is dxvk that runs pretty well

20:42

Maybe you can get that to run on xbox

LuKron

i would invite you as a member of my “team” but i think im apart of someone else’s so i can actually invite anyone

honestly if that means i can get dev mode i'd love that

Wait that's the wrong direction

20:42

Idk if there is vkdx

1

i miss retail mode homebrew

Learath2

Idk if there is vkdx

vkd3d is a thing

@Headshot would it be possible to send the ps2 version of ddnet i wanna try emulate it on duck station

Headshot

i miss retail mode homebrew

same

Headshot

vkd3d is a thing

How good is it nowadays?

LuKron

@Headshot would it be possible to send the ps2 version of ddnet i wanna try emulate it on duck station

http://github.com/headshot2017/ddnet-ps2

GitHub - headshot2017/ddnet-ps2: Port of DDNet 9 to the PlayStation 2

Port of DDNet 9 to the PlayStation 2. Contribute to headshot2017/ddnet-ps2 development by creating an account on GitHub.

Headshot

honestly if that means i can get dev mode i'd love that

i can ask the guy who invited me. only reason i’m with his is because microsoft refused taking my money when i tried getting a dev account

i'm not sure if there's a .elf actions CI that auto compiles it though

LuKron

i can ask the guy who invited me. only reason i’m with his is because microsoft refused taking my money when i tried getting a dev account

i'd appreciate that, thanks a lot

Learath2

How good is it nowadays?

not sure, i don't play many games with d3d 12

LuKron

well i like challenges (edited)

As long as you aren't one to get bored quickly it's actually pretty educational

Learath2

As long as you aren't one to get bored quickly it's actually pretty educational

i have adhd. if i don’t complete it ill never forget

And it should be easy to develop, the first step would be to write a dx backend on windows no need to bother with xbox specfics until you get it rendering

Headshot

i'd appreciate that, thanks a lot

he got back quite fast. you can only have 3 on a team as it’s not a company and he’s got a mate and me and himself. sorry

And if it's well written enough we can add it to ddnet so we can have even more backends to support

it’s like $20 for a dev account

20:46

if microsoft are feeling nice

LuKron

he got back quite fast. you can only have 3 on a team as it’s not a company and he’s got a mate and me and himself. sorry

ah shit, sad

Learath2

And if it's well written enough we can add it to ddnet so we can have even more backends to support

awesome. well i’ll start researching everything and see what i can do

LuKron

@Headshot would it be possible to send the ps2 version of ddnet i wanna try emulate it on duck station

btw isn't duckstation a ps1 emulator?

yeah i meant the other one

20:47

lmfao

pcsx2

that’s it

20:48

@Headshot i’m still working on getting my own dev account. when i finally get microsoft to take my money ill add you to my team

awesome

oh fuck. visual studio won’t be available on linux will it

20:55

vsc is i believe

LuKron

ew nixOS just use void (edited)

tell me you don't understand NixOS without telling me that you don't understand NixOS

Ewan

tell me you don't understand NixOS without telling me that you don't understand NixOS

NixOS gigachads unite

LuKron

oh fuck. visual studio won’t be available on linux will it

Why do you need visual studio ? Or is it just that you're familiar with it

meloƞ

Why do you need visual studio ? Or is it just that you're familiar with it

well my plan is to port ddnet to xbox as a uwp app in dev mode

Vsc works out of the box yes

LuKron

well my plan is to port ddnet to xbox as a uwp app in dev mode

as a project for myself as i need to start learning

you can't do any UWP on Linux at all

20:56

the tools are not there

i had only just thought (edited)

that is 100% windows exclusive

20:57

that is all dependent on the WinRT runtime which is tightly integrated into the operating system and is not (nor will it ever be, most likely) covered by wine

yeah no i understand why it doesn’t work

20:57

i just hadn’t thought of it before

yea

my laptop will not run windows

why?

20:59

if it's minimum system requirements you can circumvent that very easily

it’s just that bad

yeah i see

20:59

i have a 2009 imac that runs mojave

21:00

it runs absolutely abysmally but it is much better than nothing to make sure my stuff still compiles on macOS

Ewan

yeah i see

that’s the specs. i have yet to install a screenshot application as i installed it raw

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yea

21:00

not great

i am not giving up

21:01

i will use my college computers

at least it ain't a venezuelan canaima with intel celeron

21:01

justatest

i’m working on getting a laptop capable of running windows so that my project can continue

nice

21:18

I wish you success in that

intel itanium

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #9025 Fix restart in reset.cfg crashing the server

Closes #9024

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#...

i think i’ve sorted a windows desktop out

so i can actually do my project now

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