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Between 2024-09-10 00:00 and 2024-09-11 00:00
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:00
Something like this, I think just saying the button for change view is self explanatory, once you know the button exists since it'll flash when you press it, and you'll see your cursor (edited)
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:07
You can have it detect if it's spec or pause and display the bound key for either
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kebs 2024-09-10 00:08
i dont think it can distinguish between those
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i think its the same
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and since ddnet wants to be backwards compatible etc
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:08
Ya probably
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kebs 2024-09-10 00:08
some servers dont allow you to exit out of pause/spectate
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:09
I guess when in actual spec you'd just display "Change view: rshift"
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The way it is currently is a cute touch, but it's not really useful at all for anything, people already know they're in free view, and they already know who they're spectating by their name. (I guess some people hide names, but you see their name when you're selecting them from the rshift list) (edited)
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kebs
some servers dont allow you to exit out of pause/spectate
Skeith 2024-09-10 00:16
"I guess when in actual spec you'd just display "Change view: rshift" this should resolve that, you can't enter pause in vanilla modes so not displaying "Exit pause" when in spectators would resolve this, ya?
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"I guess when in actual spec you'd just display "Change view: rshift" this should resolve that, you can't enter pause in vanilla modes so not displaying "Exit pause" when in spectators would resolve this, ya?
kebs 2024-09-10 00:16
some modes wont let you change who youre specatating either (edited)
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zcatch for example
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:17
Aaah right
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Should we really care about that though?
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kebs 2024-09-10 00:17
idk from what ive seen ddnet wants to support everything even 0.7
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Skeith 2024-09-10 00:18
I mean, you'd just press it and nothing would happen, no?
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I don't see the harm in that
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 01:01
<ChillerDragon> TIL forks do not appear in the search on github by design to avoid pollution
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<ChillerDragon> I always liked to fork to give credit to the upstream and somehow it felt clean even for non contribution forks that extend the project in their own way
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<ChillerDragon> I am thinking about unforking https://github.com/ddnet-insta/ddnet-insta/ just for SEO -.-
GitHub - ddnet-insta/ddnet-insta: A teeworlds instagib (grenade/las...
A teeworlds instagib (grenade/laser capture the flag/death match/catch) mod based on DDRaceNetwork (gctf/ictf/idm/gdm/zcatch) - ddnet-insta/ddnet-insta
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GitHub BOT 2024-09-10 01:52
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ChillerDragon
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8922 Share fng and vanilla tiles with the server
While implementing a ddnet based fng mod I realized that I reimplemented the same enum that already exists on the client side. So this encourages fng mod developers to use the indecies that the ddnet client already knows.

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
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GitHub BOT 2024-09-10 05:13
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8923 More prediction flags to allow vanilla pickups mixed with ddrace tiles
When introducing vanilla pickups (armor, health, weapons being collectable and having a different effect than ddrace) the GAMEINFOFLAG_PREDICT_DDRACE has to be removed otherwise ddnet's anti ping removes weapon when touching armor. Removing that flag then breaks all the ddrace tiles that do not conflict with vanilla p...
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GitHub BOT 2024-09-10 05:30
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8924 Allow client to request /showall without a chat command.
Currently the client can only get info/position of all tees on the server if you use /showall. This makes the multi-view spectate mode very janky for something that's an official feature since tees will regularly come in and out of tracking whenever they teleport or otherwise if the player doesn't know they need to use /showall. Adding new tees also won't update the multi-view unless they are close enough to the current camera.
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:51
<ChillerDragon> @Patiga so wat i do in the mr?
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<ChillerDragon> i know u like twstorage and stuff but should i revert the change to get the pipeline to fail again and then you do the storage stuff or whats your plan here?
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<ChillerDragon> for the CI speeds we could build a Dockerfile that you can push to your gitlab registry that is used as a base in the CI so it does not have to install rust and so on. Why is CI speed a conern for you?
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:54
nah the ci ran into the error in less than 3 mins, no worries there
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:54
<ChillerDragon> yea less than 5min CI seems fine to me
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<ChillerDragon> so wat about the path?
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:55
I just had ba dexperiences with CIs that ran for like 45 mins, where every change took very long
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:55
<ChillerDragon> ye same
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<ChillerDragon> caugh ddnet caugh
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<ChillerDragon> but you mostly don't have to wait for the CI i would say
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:55
gimme like 1 day for that function
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:56
<ChillerDragon> so you do it?
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<ChillerDragon> so wat about the path?
Patiga 2024-09-10 07:56
gimme 1 day and I'll add the function, yea
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1-2 days
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:56
<ChillerDragon> so i revert my code for now?
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<ChillerDragon> i could also just change it to the debian path then you can merge a passing pipeline
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:56
only the small change where you try to guess the mapres path
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:57
<ChillerDragon> then it fails ..
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:57
everything else I'll merge directly when I'm back
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:57
<ChillerDragon> ok
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Patiga 2024-09-10 07:57
if you dislike the ci failure, then we delay the mergw
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ws-client BOT 2024-09-10 07:58
<ChillerDragon> i dont mind i thought you do
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<ChillerDragon> i was thinking you could just revert what i did when you swap it out with the new
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<ChillerDragon> but whatever ill reverted it pipeline is now failing :D
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 09:01
Hello chiller the ultimate tw unionist. Don't you agree that twgame should have a chance, for your ultimate goal to unite all teeworlds projects, too? You could contribute a switch layer, or tune layer or speedup layer support: https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twgame
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Jupstar ✪
Hello chiller the ultimate tw unionist. Don't you agree that twgame should have a chance, for your ultimate goal to unite all teeworlds projects, too? You could contribute a switch layer, or tune layer or speedup layer support: https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twgame
Learath2 2024-09-10 09:23
Do you have 0.7 support?
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Do you have 0.7 support?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 09:30
That will be chillers task too ofc
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Unite everything into a big mono repo
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40 million lines of code. linux kernel looks like a joke next to it
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Jupstar ✪
That will be chillers task too ofc
Learath2 2024-09-10 09:34
Sorry, no support for you if you don't support the holy 0.7
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That will be chillers task too ofc
Tater 2024-09-10 09:37
make the server send the protocol as wasm, then that's no longer the client's problem xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 09:38
xd
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Tater
make the server send the protocol as wasm, then that's no longer the client's problem xd
meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:14
monkaStop monkaStop
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@Jupstar ✪ I'll add colored lasers, colored broadcasts and 0.7 skins gigachad
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:17
I'll contribute 0.5 support. The very best version
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I'll contribute 0.5 support. The very best version
meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:18
0.4 pls ty
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@Jupstar ✪ I'll add colored lasers, colored broadcasts and 0.7 skins gigachad
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:21
colored lasers could be really cool for fng xd
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:21
I could actually look into it if you want - no proper hud yet tho
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:21
I'll do fng support anyway 😄
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:21
👍cat_smug
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:22
I'd love to see that people support twgame tho. It still needs lot of work. A launcher, to see if it works out (e.g. how fast game starts etc.) would be good to know too (edited)
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Jupstar ✪
I'd love to see that people support twgame tho. It still needs lot of work. A launcher, to see if it works out (e.g. how fast game starts etc.) would be good to know too (edited)
meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:23
If you don't mind the launcher written in go - I have a really fckn interesting story to tell you
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gigachad KEKW
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:23
I mean if at least one maintainer can read/write go
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why not
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It should run on every potato pc tho
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:23
Lea and milkeey are working professionally with go iirc
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@Learath2 how stable is golang on old machines? Let's say towards debian and windows 7 owo
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@Learath2 how stable is golang on old machines? Let's say towards debian and windows 7 owo
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:25
Who knows, I only run it on ubuntu 14 and gentoo
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:25
Ah I don't mean old OS
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I mean old GPUs
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:26
Yeah I realized you meant hardware
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:26
It shouldn't require modern backends
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:26
I'll look into it later when I'm home
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:26
For go 1.21 it's Windows 10 or later
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:26
We only support Win10 anyway
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That isn't the issue
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:26
For go 1.20 it's win7 or later
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fokkonaut 2024-09-10 10:27
Teeworlds 0.8 is out
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Jupstar ✪
I mean old GPUs
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:27
Why does the launcher care anyway? I'm sure there is a ui library out there for go that supports all the way back to xp sp3
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Why does the launcher care anyway? I'm sure there is a ui library out there for go that supports all the way back to xp sp3
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:28
Yeah that's basically the exact reason. I don't want a launcher that prevents OGL 1.x users to launch the game.
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There are defs modern UI solutions that use OpenGL 3.3+
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:30
I'm currently using lyne, no idea how backwards compat this is towards older hardware (edited)
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:31
Why are we getting a launcher anyway btw? One of these?
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Learath2
Why are we getting a launcher anyway btw? One of these?
wats 2024-09-10 10:32
the forest launcher
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Matodor 2024-09-10 10:32
@Patiga do you have script to merge map images to one big atlas and replace quads on map with this atlas?
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Learath2
Why are we getting a launcher anyway btw? One of these?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:32
Well I want to replace the main menu, with a launcher instead. The launcher can catch crashes Can edit config The launcher should have a "skip launcher" button to not trigger ppl and then we could have a downloader for other versions and also do breaking changes aka ddnet-rust version xdd (edited)
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 10:32
I thought like a launcher with embedded terminal output, startup, performance, debugging information etc outside the game - not a - start game launcher
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meloƞ
I thought like a launcher with embedded terminal output, startup, performance, debugging information etc outside the game - not a - start game launcher
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:33
Lol
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Well I want to replace the main menu, with a launcher instead. The launcher can catch crashes Can edit config The launcher should have a "skip launcher" button to not trigger ppl and then we could have a downloader for other versions and also do breaking changes aka ddnet-rust version xdd (edited)
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:33
Will you hit me if I say I really disagree with that direction?
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Learath2
Will you hit me if I say I really disagree with that direction?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:33
What would be your suggestion?
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Learath2
Why are we getting a launcher anyway btw? One of these?
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:34
One of these so we can help people with gfx issues change backends without going into the config by hand. This trampoline binary can also transparently handle updates fixing the issues we have all the time
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Learath2
One of these so we can help people with gfx issues change backends without going into the config by hand. This trampoline binary can also transparently handle updates fixing the issues we have all the time
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:35
But how is that different to a launcher?
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To me that is a launcher just for graphics
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:36
There is significant graphics work involved with having a full launcher, then there is more significant work discussing how we can support stuff like "other versions"
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Why are we getting a launcher anyway btw? One of these?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:36
I'd claim that isn't far off of this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/1270471820352552970/image.png?ex=66e14e56&is=66dffcd6&hm=00483184c62bf7b6783bc3b7624200835071a479d4af63b30356c5ef9971172d&
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:36
Then there is even more significant work discussing and implementing how we can incorporate 3rd party clients when people inevitably demand that
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An almost always hidden trampoline is nice and safe. No discussions needed, a straight improvement that can be made without discussing anything with anyone
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Learath2
Then there is even more significant work discussing and implementing how we can incorporate 3rd party clients when people inevitably demand that
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:37
But that are future plans. As a first step it's simply replacing the ugly main menu ingame
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and adds crashpad
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:38
No politics about how taters client got in but xxxhackerguyxxx's client didn't and how ddnet maintainers are a cabal holding teeworlds hostage
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:38
Well with other clients I didn't mean clients that are not from ddnet
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But that are future plans. As a first step it's simply replacing the ugly main menu ingame
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:38
I guess we disagree on that too. I don't think the main menu is that ugly
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Learath2
I guess we disagree on that too. I don't think the main menu is that ugly
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:39
Ok but it could be replaced with a launcher and serve the same functionality
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:40
But why? It's imo just extra work having to think about an entirely new gui and gui library
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:40
Currently we already have a launcher from steam (which allows selecting different gfx backends). So for most users this isn't really a worse experience than they have now
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Learath2
But why? It's imo just extra work having to think about an entirely new gui and gui library
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:40
Yes but end of the year I want to present an alternative version to ddnet
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And if ppl like it, then i'd also like to make it more discoverable
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Jupstar ✪
Yes but end of the year I want to present an alternative version to ddnet
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:41
and I'm guessing you don't feel like having a main menu in your version?
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and I'm guessing you don't feel like having a main menu in your version?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:41
100% not 😄
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I don't have any use for that
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A internal server directly starts when you clikc "LAN" anyway
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the editor can be accessed from the server browser
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the settings too
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A play button is useless af xd
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discord etc. can be in the launcher
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:42
So if ddnet also moves to a main-menuless UX you can just use that work instead
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I guess that makes some sense. We could ask other people what they feel about the main menu
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I personally think a game requires a main menu of sorts, just dropping people into a serverbrowser is overwhelming
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Learath2
I guess that makes some sense. We could ask other people what they feel about the main menu
Matodor 2024-09-10 10:44
poggerspoggerspoggers ask people what they want
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poggerspoggerspoggers ask people what they want
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:45
We can but all the people that respond will just be power users that already know everything about the game and want to get into a server ASAP
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 10:45
I like the main menu xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:45
Tbh I also find it stupid we don't have a "Skip main menu" button
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Tbh I also find it stupid we don't have a "Skip main menu" button
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:45
We do, for the nerds
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:45
we had a PR for that and deen declined it
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Learath2
We do, for the nerds
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:46
Yeah in the settings
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:46
Yeah, just set it
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:46
But very honestly, the main menu is nice for 5 starts
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afterwards it's just annoying
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We don't have like "load a save game" or smth
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:47
In all the time that the main menu has existed, I haven't once thought oh let me optimize out this one click from my UX
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:47
that i'd consider useful
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or a "change your skin" directly in the main menu
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that gives it a bit of charm
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it's just 5 ugly buttons
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Learath2
In all the time that the main menu has existed, I haven't once thought oh let me optimize out this one click from my UX
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:47
I don't understand why tho 😄
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:48
Just dropping someone into a serverbrowser feels wrong UX wise for a game. It feels more like you are using Usenet in the 80s
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Learath2
Just dropping someone into a serverbrowser feels wrong UX wise for a game. It feels more like you are using Usenet in the 80s
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:48
But this game is 100% about multiplayer
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It's not like you can start a campaign or smth
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 10:49
ddnet story mode when?
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:49
Fwiw all the 100% multiplayer games I can think about right now all have main menus
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:49
Also, I know I am a hater, but i really find our main menu ugly. If I start a game and it looks like this, I'd think it's a cheap game xD
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:50
rust, dayz, valorant, csgo
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roblox
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rust, dayz, valorant, csgo
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:50
but CSGO's isn't really a main menu is it?
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I mean it's different
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it has no "play, editor" buttons
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:50
It does have a play button to get into matchmaking
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It has inventory and stuff, they don't drop you into the source server browser
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:51
Some launcher with fancy art can look good too, I really like larians launcher, it's simplistic and looks professional
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Jupstar ✪
Some launcher with fancy art can look good too, I really like larians launcher, it's simplistic and looks professional
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:52
It definitely can but I see no extra value to it unless we want to support launching old versions or different branches. If we remove the main menu it might however make sense to have a launcher like this
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Some launcher with fancy art can look good too, I really like larians launcher, it's simplistic and looks professional
ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:53
tf is this
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tf is this
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:53
It's Larian's launcher for their games
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It definitely can but I see no extra value to it unless we want to support launching old versions or different branches. If we remove the main menu it might however make sense to have a launcher like this
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:53
Yeah I mean tbf, ofc I mean for different branches
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 10:53
Yes I agree. But I’m not a pro coder who can hax some tw core physics rust crate.
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ Hello chiller the ultimate tw unionist. […]
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Yes I agree. But I’m not a pro coder who can hax some tw core physics rust crate.
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:54
Yes you can
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 10:54
Do you accept 0.7 support prs into dd-pg?
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ That will be chillers task too ofc
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Some launcher with fancy art can look good too, I really like larians launcher, it's simplistic and looks professional
ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:55
yes but this is out of the game, not ingame
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like tarkov
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Do you accept 0.7 support prs into dd-pg?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:55
Even better, I allow you to do backward compatibility changing stuff that makes the game BETTER than 0.7
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ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:55
you press play to start the game
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ReiTW
yes but this is out of the game, not ingame
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:55
Sure, but the main menu would be gone for that
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ReiTW
yes but this is out of the game, not ingame
Learath2 2024-09-10 10:55
He doesn't want a main menu
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:55
A trade basically
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Having both kinda sucks too
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I'd maybe still add a "back to launcher" ingame or smth, But basically the launcher should be the main menu
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ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:56
nah would be annoying af
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:56
Once u click play, no need to go back to mainmenu/launcher
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ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:56
main menu ingame better
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main menu ingame better
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:56
What functionality does the main menu give you?
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editor is in the browser
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settings too
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 10:57
milkeey has a job? I thought he is 12 yo genius hacker who is chilling in school during the day and is haxing during the night.
Replying to @meloƞ Lea and milkeey are working professionally with go iirc
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:57
demos too
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run server could be automated
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or moved to LAN tab
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What functionality does the main menu give you?
ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:57
game already loaded, i'd say that's the most important
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if u have a launcher the game is definetly off
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game already loaded, i'd say that's the most important
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:57
Ok but how does that help?
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:58
I gtg do work I'm paid for. Overall:
  • I disagree with not having a main menu at all
  • I kinda agree that we need a binary to run before the actual client
  • I definitely agree that if we have a full-fledged launcher with many buttons and bells and whistles, we shouldn't have a main menu, it's just too much time before getting into the game
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ReiTW 2024-09-10 10:58
I mean the menu like that is very intuitive for users
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:58
If we have a "skip launcher", then it's the same
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just without main menu
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Well I want to replace the main menu, with a launcher instead. The launcher can catch crashes Can edit config The launcher should have a "skip launcher" button to not trigger ppl and then we could have a downloader for other versions and also do breaking changes aka ddnet-rust version xdd (edited)
Tater 2024-09-10 10:58
unity removed their default launcher because people hated it so much xd
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ingame settings are much better
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:59
Ingame settings will stay
10:59
It's only about the main menu
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Learath2 2024-09-10 10:59
You misunderstand what he wants. Technically the launcher will only have one button and it'll launch you straight into the serverbrowser
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:59
What does that give what a launcher or the game can't/doesn't already do
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 10:59
Woah so late to mention that. Jopsti is speaking about the launcher since forever.
Replying to @Learath2 Will you hit me if I say I really disagree with that direction?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 10:59
It's not too late
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Learath2
You misunderstand what he wants. Technically the launcher will only have one button and it'll launch you straight into the serverbrowser
Tater 2024-09-10 11:00
what is the purpose then?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:00
We can still replace the whole game at once
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lol
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Tater
what is the purpose then?
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:00
Do allow selecting between nightly/ddpg/normal ddnet
11:00
Whatever
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Tater
what is the purpose then?
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:00
Well there are many technical benefits, but the graphical part of the launcher I'm guessing he wants for the different versions/branches support
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:00
And that too
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:01
we already have that on steam if that's what you're talking about. I'm fine with that launcher
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:01
Idk how that would interact with steam btw. We disable our updater and stuff on steam
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Tater
we already have that on steam if that's what you're talking about. I'm fine with that launcher
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:01
Exactly that is a reason for a launcher
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The ppl already have this extra step anyway
11:01
We can remove the steam thing again
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:01
We probably wouldn't be allowed to ship a launcher in steam that can just download arbitrary unsigned unaudited binaries from our servers
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:01
you can remove the steam yourself already
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Learath2
We probably wouldn't be allowed to ship a launcher in steam that can just download arbitrary unsigned unaudited binaries from our servers
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:02
No need to download
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:02
Just ship them all? 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:02
Our steam directory is build to add all
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:02
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Learath2
Just ship them all? 😄
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:02
Yeah the first download isn't fast, but all others will only download the diffs
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So I think generally that isn't too bad
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:02
I mean that already is a bad workaround
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:02
why tho?
11:03
how is yours different (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:03
Yeah good question
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Why is that different to a real launcher
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So I think generally that isn't too bad
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:03
But then we need to ship dozens of old versions of binaries, libraries
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:03
ddpg can start in 200ms.. So there must be some GUI lib that is faster lmao
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:03
"real launcher" is not a thing
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Learath2
But then we need to ship dozens of old versions of binaries, libraries
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:03
Ah I don't mean like a minecraft launcher
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Where you can download java 1 edition
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ddpg can start in 200ms.. So there must be some GUI lib that is faster lmao
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:04
Probably not unless you want one of those configurator screens. We can just winapi/xlib those and it would be quicker
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:04
steam already does a good job of this imo.
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unless you also want the launcher for non-steam purpose
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:04
That too
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It could be the downloader
11:04
for updates
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:05
steam is very good at that
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Jupstar ✪
Where you can download java 1 edition
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:05
So old versions can’t be downloaded, we can perhaps ship like a couple extra branches. Idk I think the steam version of this launcher would have to be gutted a lot
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:05
That doesn’t sound very united when the official tw client can’t join your servers :c
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ Even better, I allow you to do backward compatibility changing stuff tha…
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chillerdragon
That doesn’t sound very united when the official tw client can’t join your servers :c
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:05
Contriboot support
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chillerdragon
That doesn’t sound very united when the official tw client can’t join your servers :c
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:06
I allow you to host a network layer that is not part of the upstream code, that translate everything
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For every client
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Ever
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Learath2
So old versions can’t be downloaded, we can perhaps ship like a couple extra branches. Idk I think the steam version of this launcher would have to be gutted a lot
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:06
I mean if steam policy doesn't allow binary downloads, but ppl want to download teewars, we could still do that in the offline launcher
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:06
I'm not sure it's allowed to have a launcher on steam that will auto download your updates since you're skipping the approval process.
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:07
But this isn't even what i care about
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That's random discussion about what any launcher could do.
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Any launcher could also download Tater-client
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But I care about THE launcher first xd
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Tater
I'm not sure it's allowed to have a launcher on steam that will auto download your updates since you're skipping the approval process.
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:07
For steam this ofc isn't needed
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:08
so then it's only for 0.5% of the playerbase
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jxsl13 2024-09-10 11:09
like android support
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:09
First of all, before we add anything
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I will see if ppl even like what I did
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Otherwise that discussion is useless anyway
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But if ppl want to support me, a launcher and twgame and the main things I don't want to influence
11:10
Twgame should be supported anyway
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:10
I would +1 a gfx configurator, a trampoline for crashes and updates I would maybe +1 a launcher with stuff like old versions if it’s done well I would definitely -1 a direct removal of the main menu
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:10
Bcs it will allow teehistorian to demo 😄
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:10
I thought we already have that
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Tater
I thought we already have that
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:11
The original one is pretty subpar. But Zwelf’s new version is looking pretty good
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:12
what is bad about it?
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or missing?
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tbh it sounds kinda not that hard
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:13
That's what everyone who attempts it says 😄
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Tater
what is bad about it?
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:13
The original one is basically just a quick hack. It only has player positions and hooks, that's all
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:14
ok well
11:14
I could do better than that
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murpi 2024-09-10 11:14
https://i.imgur.com/kPdqTYf.png 6000 FPS on a 4080 SUPER 😄
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:14
what is Zwelf's missing?
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:14
So a proxy that can be slapped in front of client or server to act as a bridge? Will the upstream server get support for proxies then? Where ips are forwarded and the server can kick players without kicking the entire proxy?
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ I allow you to host a network layer that is not part of the upstream cod…
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:15
@murpi did Zwelf ever finish up a teehistorian2demo implementation? I think his approach should be generating perfect demos (edited)
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@murpi did Zwelf ever finish up a teehistorian2demo implementation? I think his approach should be generating perfect demos (edited)
murpi 2024-09-10 11:16
I don't think it's done yet. Last time I checked there was still practice implementation missing
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But yeah, it's 1000% better than teehistorian2demo already
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:17
you need special /practice code?
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https://i.imgur.com/kPdqTYf.png 6000 FPS on a 4080 SUPER 😄
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:17
Nice around as much as a gtx 760 on Linux
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😬
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I think this is purely a CPU bottleneck
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melon has almost 20k fps on linux
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with rx 7900xtx
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murpi 2024-09-10 11:18
I'm on a Ryzen 7 7800x3D
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:18
or smth
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murpi
https://i.imgur.com/kPdqTYf.png 6000 FPS on a 4080 SUPER 😄
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:18
Is that in entities btw?
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murpi 2024-09-10 11:19
No, without entities, on Linear 64p
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:19
Let me see how much I get on rx 6900 + Ryzen 3950x
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:19
I love the performance. I am tempted to switch to vanilla teeworlds client for gaming because ddnet became so slow to start. I switched from vscode to neovim primarily because of startup time. If yours is blazingly fast you got me. Sadly non teeish ui is a dealbreaker. I can’t handle the ui you made yet ._.
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ I will see if ppl even like what I did
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:19
I think it's always cpu bottleneck
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:20
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~4700 on Linux
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now let's see in ddpg xdd
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Tater
you need special /practice code?
murpi 2024-09-10 11:20
Tee positions weren't updated whenever a team is in practice
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:20
wha
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I'm not even sure why teehistorian2demo needs to be aware of /practice status
11:21
does it need to run physics to get the full gamestate back from teehistorian?
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does it need to run physics to get the full gamestate back from teehistorian?
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:22
Yes, that's how it recreates the demos
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murpi 2024-09-10 11:22
https://gitlab.com/ddnet-rs/twgame/-/tree/master
Files · master · ddnet-rs / TwGame · GitLab
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:23
it doesn't save positions of all tees every tick?
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:23
It does, that's how the original teehistorian2demo was able to create a crude demo (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:23
Epyc gemer moment
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6000 FPS
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:23
How many tees?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:24
solo, but i was in team in cpp version too
11:24
but this is ctf game mode tbf xd
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Learath2
It does, that's how the original teehistorian2demo was able to create a crude demo (edited)
Tater 2024-09-10 11:24
so it doesn't save other stuff?
11:24
projectile positions?
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Jupstar ✪
melon has almost 20k fps on linux
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:24
Melons PC go BRRRR - around 800fps on pipe
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Jupstar ✪
Epyc gemer moment
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:24
but on other news, i see a rendering bug
11:24
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:24
I think we tested it together jupsti kek
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meloƞ
Melons PC go BRRRR - around 800fps on pipe
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:25
ah yeah
11:25
didn't you say 10k
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Tater
projectile positions?
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:25
Those aren't saved
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:25
Was it 10K ? I made a screenshot
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I thought it was much lowere
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Will check when I'm home
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so it doesn't save other stuff?
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:26
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/teehistorian.h you can see everything that is saved in a teehistorian file here
ddnet/src/game/server/teehistorian.h at master · ddnet/ddnet
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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I thought we already have that
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:30
It can only create a demo for all physics it knows
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In the readme there is an overview
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:31
based on this header file I think you cannot just pipe the data into TW game and expect it to work
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 11:31
Teehistorian are basically just input files
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:32
I don't think you can rely only on inputs
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Jupstar ✪
Teehistorian are basically just input files
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:32
Plus a little bit of extra
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Tater
I don't think you can rely only on inputs
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:32
You can, there is no randomness to teeworlds
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Well there is just a tiny bit, but we save the prng seed too
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Learath2
You can, there is no randomness to teeworlds
Tater 2024-09-10 11:32
ok except there is
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Tater
based on this header file I think you cannot just pipe the data into TW game and expect it to work
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:32
given how dd-pg is structured I don't see why it shouldn't
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meloƞ
given how dd-pg is structured I don't see why it shouldn't
Tater 2024-09-10 11:33
you need to account for chat commands
11:33
which affect physics
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:33
Someone didn't spot RecordConsoleCommand
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:33
swap, tp, team, kill, save, load, rescue
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Tater
swap, tp, team, kill, save, load, rescue
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:34
Apart from tp and rescue none of those affect physics or am I missing something
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And kill obviously
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:34
Any console command, including chat commands are saved, unless they are marked with CFGFLAG_NONTEEHISTORIC
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meloƞ
Apart from tp and rescue none of those affect physics or am I missing something
Tater 2024-09-10 11:35
idk how you don't think the others affect physics. maybe swap is the only one that doesnt
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murpi 2024-09-10 11:35
Feels good to be able to play CP2077 with PT now greenthing
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murpi
Feels good to be able to play CP2077 with PT now greenthing
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:35
Personal Trainer?
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:35
path tracing
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:36
That makes more sense
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:36
I can see having a personal trainer in CP - screaming at you constantly
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:36
hi
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Tater
swap, tp, team, kill, save, load, rescue
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:36
Saves and Loads are explicitly saved too apart from just the command btw
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Ryozuki
hi
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:37
Ryo I summarized your wiki pinged messages pls don't hate
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:37
its ok
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:37
void RecordPlayerSwap(int ClientId1, int ClientId2); void RecordTeamSaveSuccess(int Team, CUuid SaveId, const char *pTeamSave); void RecordTeamSaveFailure(int Team); void RecordTeamLoadSuccess(int Team, CUuid SaveId, const char *pTeamSave); void RecordTeamLoadFailure(int Team);
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:37
saves can summon projectiles into the game right?
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:37
They can't
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:37
@Learath2 today i compiled firefox so fast i didnt notice
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:37
oh ok
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:37
i was browsing for 5 mins and gentoo finished
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:37
1000% easier lmao
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:37
gigachad
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Ryozuki
i was browsing for 5 mins and gentoo finished
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:38
Takes me 18 minutes
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:38
Is it incremental builds?
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:38
nein
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Tater
1000% easier lmao
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:38
If you wanna give it a go feel free, the more teehistorian2demo implementations the better
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:38
You compiled Firefox from scratch no cache in 5 mins?
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:38
7900x3d
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8 mins to be honest
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:38
Firefox more light weight than ddnet lol
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:39
5.66ghz
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24 cores
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:39
Woah
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:39
whoa
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:39
7950X masterrace
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:39
What cpu is that
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Ryozuki
7900x3d
Vappy 2024-09-10 11:39
big one ! 😮
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:39
justatest
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:39
24 real cores?
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:39
oh chiller has the poggest one right
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12 real iirc
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:39
I thought so
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Ryozuki
12 real iirc
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:40
Ok, that's more sensible
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:40
64gb ram at 6000mhz, firefox sources were in a tmpfs on ram
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:40
I was actively looking for the strongest single core cpu when buying my pc last time
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But time passed
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:40
wait 1 more amd gen
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:40
I really need to stop chatting here and do actual real work
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:40
no
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Learath2
I really need to stop chatting here and do actual real work
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:40
no
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:40
no
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Ryozuki
no
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:41
but if they fire me I can't ask for a recommendation letter
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:41
@Learath2 one day ill get my threadripper
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or epyc cpu
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the epyc cpu has 1gb l3 cache
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it only costs 10k
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:41
In Germany we call this a Schnäppchen
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:41
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Ryozuki
it only costs 10k
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:42
Get it now, go into debt
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:42
192 threads
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:42
Also get 256g of ram
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192 threads
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:42
any rust application still building for 10 minutes xd pepeW
justatest 2
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Cargo nightly has parallel build tho right?
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Atleast something like that
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:43
rust is already paralel
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:43
Yes but it breaks htop xd and if the max single core is worse than your current cpu it will bottle neck in all those single threaded moments
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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 11:43
but the paralelism is limited to diferent crates
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intra crate paralelism is nightly ye
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Ryozuki
intra crate paralelism is nightly ye
meloƞ 2024-09-10 11:43
Yeah I forgot the actual term
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chillerdragon
Yes but it breaks htop xd and if the max single core is worse than your current cpu it will bottle neck in all those single threaded moments
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:44
distcc compilation machine with a threadripper and a local 9950x3d for the single thread performance
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If you wanna give it a go feel free, the more teehistorian2demo implementations the better
Tater 2024-09-10 11:44
if I was making the teehistorian format I would design it so that every tick you re-initialize the tees from the state saved into teehistorian, then tick them by 1 and handle anything else that happens yourself. So basically remove all "event" based physics data. but maybe this is already what it does
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:45
Yes that sounds good. But last time I used distcc it was a bit of a mess haha
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Tater
if I was making the teehistorian format I would design it so that every tick you re-initialize the tees from the state saved into teehistorian, then tick them by 1 and handle anything else that happens yourself. So basically remove all "event" based physics data. but maybe this is already what it does
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:46
Teehistorian was designed for MASS storage. Any extra state you save in there is an issue
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Compressed we store more than 5TB of teehistorian files now
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Learath2
Teehistorian was designed for MASS storage. Any extra state you save in there is an issue
Tater 2024-09-10 11:46
well it's already saving excessive data by including any tee state at all
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you're already 90% of the way to my design data wise
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:47
Just the x and y position of a tee is not enough to regenerate the entire state of the tee
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:48
it's probably 90% of the data though
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actually no
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the inputs are
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:49
I would be happy to check that later today but I would be very surprised if it's close to that
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There could be one more solution though, if we just stored the entire state, every tick it would technically still compress very well
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:49
I think the "figure it out later" plan was not good
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:50
but it's really hard to figure out what the "entire state" is with how spaghetti the ddnet code is
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:50
hmm
11:50
if you ignore saves it's a lot easier
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I think the "figure it out later" plan was not good
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:51
Well we'd have lost a lot of runs while discussing what the "entire state" is. With this approach it's very obvious what is needed to recreate a run
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:52
well inputs are the entire state
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Learath2 2024-09-10 11:52
Nope, there is also the switch state
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Tater 2024-09-10 11:53
can be derived from inputs
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:53
I recommend backing up ssh keys if they are your only option to auth on the server. You don’t want to wipe your server just because you lost the key.
Replying to @MilkeeyCat Do you save ur ssh keys somewhere or you create new when you change os?
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can be derived from inputs
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:53
Now you are back to the exact design we have. Store the minimum needed to derive the state at every tick
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I recommend backing up ssh keys if they are your only option to auth on the server. You don’t want to wipe your server just because you lost the key.
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 11:53
nice reply time
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:54
Thank
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 11:54
i have everything saved even tho i don't have any servers 😏
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 11:54
If it’s just for git clouds it doesn’t matter too much because you can reset them
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Now you are back to the exact design we have. Store the minimum needed to derive the state at every tick
Tater 2024-09-10 11:55
the issue with saving just inputs is that you risk desyncing if you forget anything.
11:55
which is really hard with /save
11:55
but they would be really small
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the issue with saving just inputs is that you risk desyncing if you forget anything.
Learath2 2024-09-10 11:57
What could you really forget even? There is the client raw input, there are game netmsgs and their console commands, some of which alter the state asychronously for which you need extra support (edited)
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Thank
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 11:59
good news, i didn't block hacked after i uploaded my passwords to github, who could've thought that nobody gives a fuck about random person xddd
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What could you really forget even? There is the client raw input, there are game netmsgs and their console commands, some of which alter the state asychronously for which you need extra support (edited)
Tater 2024-09-10 12:00
not much really
12:01
but it's very different from the other idea I had where it's basically "stateless" in that you could scrub the teehistoiran file with minimal inaccuracies after a long enough playback period
12:04
the only hard part is /save. for everything else you can just trick the server into thinking it's running a real game while feeding it inputs/physics commands
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 12:04
Wot passwords
Replying to @MilkeeyCat good news, i didn't block hacked after i uploaded my passwords to github…
12:05
You mean encrypted tho right?
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 12:05
ye
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-09-10 12:05
Yea epic win
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 12:06
I get hibbie jibbies every time I push to that repo justatest
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but it's very different from the other idea I had where it's basically "stateless" in that you could scrub the teehistoiran file with minimal inaccuracies after a long enough playback period
Tater 2024-09-10 12:09
basically minimum state for playback without physics vs minimum state playback with physics.
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 12:17
Bro Tater do you ever sleep
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jxsl13 2024-09-10 12:24
potato never sleeps
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potato never sleeps
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 12:26
You want to tell me Tater's PF is meant to be a potato? xd
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jxsl13 2024-09-10 12:28
Tater = potato
12:28
see lord of the rings
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 12:29
Epyc
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Should rewatch in english
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jxsl13 2024-09-10 12:29
best nick
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Learath2 2024-09-10 12:29
With scrcpy I have reached a new level of laziness. I now don't even have to get up and grab my phone
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 12:30
xd
12:30
There is QtScrcpy and it allows to map keyboard presses to the touch locations. With that you can play mobile games like pokemon unite with keyboard xdd
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timakro 2024-09-10 12:51
do these kind of links work on windows? ddnet://192.168.0.103:8303 i got this by clicking "copy info" in the server info tab
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DDNet BOT 2024-09-10 12:51
192.168.0.103:8303 is not a DDraceNetwork or Community server.
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timakro 2024-09-10 12:51
maybe we could make them work on linux with xdg-open and MimeType=x-scheme-handler/ddnet in the .desktop entry
12:53
hmmm i see you already did this but it doesn't work with the steam game because i suppose we can't control the .desktop file there
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Learath2 2024-09-10 12:56
We have a steam version of the connect link too, but yeah those don't really work
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timakro 2024-09-10 12:57
do they work in windows?
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Robyt3 2024-09-10 12:57
yes
12:58
I didn't find any way to do it automatically on non-Windows, see #6072
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DDNet BOT 2024-09-10 12:58
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6072
Automatically register protocol handler · Issue #6072 · ddnet/ddnet
At least on Windows, see for example https://developer.shotgridsoftware.com/af0c94ce/
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timakro 2024-09-10 12:58
do you know on top of your head if it works with a domain instead of an ip?
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 12:59
it just connects to whatever string you have after ddnet://
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murpi 2024-09-10 12:59
https://ddnet.org/news/ddnet-links/
12:59
It works with domains too
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timakro 2024-09-10 13:00
awesome thx
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 13:50
chillerdragon: any recommendations on where to start with connecting a tee to a server, i know nothing about ddnet's networking xd
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chillerdragon: any recommendations on where to start with connecting a tee to a server, i know nothing about ddnet's networking xd
Learath2 2024-09-10 13:51
You first need to implement the packer
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You first need to implement the packer
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 13:53
noted, thanks!
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brb in 5 days pepeW
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Mark 2024-09-10 14:26
Го
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chillerdragon: any recommendations on where to start with connecting a tee to a server, i know nothing about ddnet's networking xd
Matodor 2024-09-10 14:49
https://chillerdragon.github.io/teeworlds-protocol/
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GitHub BOT 2024-09-10 15:12
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8925 Add more gametype colors
Add colors to the following gametypes: LMS, LTS -> Same as vanilla gCTF gDM etc -> Red as instagib FreeZe/iFreeze -> Red as instagib Other vanilla mods (CTF*, CTF+ etc) -> Dark green

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Ryozuki 2024-09-10 15:23
https://blog.cloudflare.com/pingora-saving-compute-1-percent-at-a-time/
A good day to trie-hard: saving compute 1% at a time
Pingora handles 35M+ requests per second, so saving a few microseconds per request can translate to thousands of dollars saved on computing costs. In this post, we share how we freed up over 500 CPU cores by optimizing one function and announce trie-hard, the open source crate that we created to do it.
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zhn 2024-09-10 15:37
am i late https://lobste.rs/s/ixb3v7/nix_2_24_is_vulnerable_remote_privilege
Nix 2.24+ is vulnerable to (remote) privilege escalation
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@Ryozuki @meloƞ
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 15:38
always late
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zhn 2024-09-10 15:38
i wonder if ryo has his rss news eater on second screen
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 15:39
https://tvix.dev/
Tvix - A new implementation of Nix
Rust implementation of the purely-functional Nix package manager
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kekw (edited)
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why is everyone rewriting everything in rust ._:
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https://tvix.dev/
ReiTW 2024-09-10 15:44
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Pandori77 2024-09-10 15:49
пр
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:42
@Learath2 are you nullptr, nil or NULL person?
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MilkeeyCat
@Learath2 are you nullptr, nil or NULL person?
Learath2 2024-09-10 16:46
NULL in C, nullptr in C++, NULL if I were making my own language. Short, to the point, stands out
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:47
int *var = {NULL};
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:47
I find nil ugly xd
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:47
if x != nil is weird syntax but its straight to the point (edited)
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go masterrace
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MilkeeyCat
@Learath2 are you nullptr, nil or NULL person?
Peter0x44 2024-09-10 16:47
you're missing 0
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Peter0x44
you're missing 0
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:48
NULL is typedefed 0 santatrollet (edited)
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:48
isnt NULL just a const int
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Peter0x44 2024-09-10 16:48
most of the time it is something like (void*)0
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:49
so just a cast to void* - damn
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Peter0x44 2024-09-10 16:49
if you write 0 you don't have to include stddef.h, that's why I do it but with C23 bringing nullptr no more need (edited)
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:49
hey we dont code in c23 yet - you need to wait atleast 10 years
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Learath2 2024-09-10 16:50
0 is a null pointer constant so it's very legal
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:50
But keyword is cooler 😏
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MilkeeyCat
But keyword is cooler 😏
meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:51
use NONE kekw
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:51
undefined
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:52
let x: i32 = NONE; let x: i32 = NU_UH;
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:53
Btw now after i changed syntax for variable declarations i can infer types from some expressions (edited)
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:54
daily nixOS meme - poor dude never came back
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Ewan 2024-09-10 16:54
that’s me
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sometimes in ts I say “ok brb ill reboot” and won’t be back for hours
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:55
Hahhaahah - i wanted to debug something with Rei so i said "hey let me screenshare" - and i messed up something in my config, i said "wait let me reroll really quick"... it took me 2 hours
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Ewan 2024-09-10 16:55
yep
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:57
i love this discord very much
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Peter0x44
if you write 0 you don't have to include stddef.h, that's why I do it but with C23 bringing nullptr no more need (edited)
zhn 2024-09-10 16:57
does any compiler fully support c23?
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Peter0x44 2024-09-10 16:57
I don't think so
16:57
clang 19 maybe
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zhn 2024-09-10 16:57
hm will test
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thank
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:57
nah, i think gcc is furthest with c23 support
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but none are "fully supporting" it yet
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Peter0x44 2024-09-10 16:58
probably both support nullptr at this time
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 16:58
is it a keyword now?
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MilkeeyCat
But keyword is cooler 😏
zhn 2024-09-10 16:58
nop
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but none are "fully supporting" it yet
zhn 2024-09-10 16:59
lazy ass msvc dev will not even support c89
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fuck them
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Ewan 2024-09-10 16:59
rip
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meloƞ 2024-09-10 16:59
@zhn https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/compiler_support/23
c/compiler support/23
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https://tvix.dev/
zhn 2024-09-10 17:00
i did unironically try to get all my desktop stuff written in rust or c
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rofi le sux
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le python
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no wonder msvc doesn't support even 10 features of c23 xd
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Ewan 2024-09-10 17:02
rofi hangs my desktop when I use it
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so I just use wofi even tho it also kinda sucks
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zhn 2024-09-10 17:03
eh im on xorg
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 17:03
dmenu enjoyer here
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zhn 2024-09-10 17:03
dmenu is as simple as it is
17:03
ye i use it too
17:03
funny enough it doesn't support monitor centring
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and some freebsd revision of dmenu has it
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justatest '
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Ewan 2024-09-10 17:04
wtf
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Matodor
@Patiga do you have script to merge map images to one big atlas and replace quads on map with this atlas?
Patiga 2024-09-10 17:50
no, not yet :)
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 17:56
nice i have the most fame PR xddddd
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Also funny that Robytes touch controls are already in the list
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even tho that pr only exists like few weeks
18:02
@Robyt3 do you still plan any bigger change to the touch controls, or do we want to merge this soon?
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:02
@Jupstar ✪ check ticket 1102 pls
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@Jupstar ✪ check ticket 1102 pls
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:03
I have no rights to see tickets
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:03
pidor
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:03
i am not gay bcs i cannot see tickets
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:03
xuila ebanaya
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?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:03
Ask a moderator or admin or simply wait I suggest the last
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xuila ebanaya
Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:04
?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:04
bcs then they will respond very polite
18:04
Wie bitte?
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:04
иди нахуй
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чмоня
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еьливая
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я твою мать ебал
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за грош
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:04
NAN = not a number
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:04
сын рабыни
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:04
haxyn = hax yn
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Headshot 2024-09-10 18:05
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:05
ebnrbar = some kind of elve town in lord of the rings
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Предсмертная эйфория 2024-09-10 18:05
выпиши что то если ты сын поблядоты и трупоподобного отца
18:05
?
18:05
выпиши что то если ты сын поблядоты и трупоподобного отца
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:05
I only understand train station
18:06
Can you switch back to english maybe 😄
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Headshot 2024-09-10 18:08
least desperate russian:
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Предсмертная эйфория
выпиши что то если ты сын поблядоты и трупоподобного отца
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 18:09
@zhn
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:09
@MilkeeyCat can u read russian?
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 18:09
Ye
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:09
epyc
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MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 18:09
I wish I couldn't tho
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:09
is it very similar to ukrainian?
18:10
or can you technically speak 2 languages with this
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Jupstar ✪
or can you technically speak 2 languages with this
MilkeeyCat 2024-09-10 18:11
Ye
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@Robyt3 do you still plan any bigger change to the touch controls, or do we want to merge this soon?
Robyt3 2024-09-10 18:15
I'd like to also make the controls adjustable without exporting to clipboard, but I guess we could also merge what we have already soon. The json format seems to work, including the positioning on the 1,000,000² grid. I'll have some more time next week to finish it up. (edited)
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cyberfighter 2 2024-09-10 18:21
is there an ios version of ddnet
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:22
no
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cyberfighter 2 2024-09-10 18:23
Ok, how about a 32bit android, i forgot if there was one
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:23
there is
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cyberfighter 2 2024-09-10 18:23
got link?
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cyberfighter 2
got link?
meloƞ 2024-09-10 18:24
https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1277345584080097320
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check pinned messages
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Matodor 2024-09-10 18:26
xd
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DDNet_assert_log_2024-09-10_23-26-39_26144.txt
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:28
yeah
18:28
if you want, you can provide a fix to the editor
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that handles this situation more gracefully
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Robyt3 2024-09-10 18:29
Like revert #8670 ?
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DDNet BOT 2024-09-10 18:29
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8670
Remove unused code for saving embedded RGB map images by Robyt3 · P...
Only embedded images in RGBA format are loaded anymore, so the additional code for converting RGB to RGBA image data is not necessary. Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if ...
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Robyt3 2024-09-10 18:29
Unused justatest
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:29
auto convert to rgba
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xd
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well idc
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Robyt3 2024-09-10 18:30
Prevent loading RGB images
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:30
i mean auto converting rgb to rgba with alpha full opacity doesnt sound too bad
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Matodor 2024-09-10 18:31
i want use more 64 images in map, or which optimal atlas image size i must use? i just tried add empty white bg PNG 2048x2048, everything worked fine, created a quad in the editor, and then after some time the game crashed
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:31
since this is only for editor isnt it
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i want use more 64 images in map, or which optimal atlas image size i must use? i just tried add empty white bg PNG 2048x2048, everything worked fine, created a quad in the editor, and then after some time the game crashed
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:31
u cannot add more than 64 images
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this is the hard limit bcs of backward compatilibity xd
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64 2048x2048 images use: (64×2048×2048×4)×2 = 2147483648 bytes of vram
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i'd recommend not doing that
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except your player base uses modern GPUs only
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this is the hard limit bcs of backward compatilibity xd
Matodor 2024-09-10 18:33
you recommend doing (64×1024×1024×4)×2×N where N my atlases number?)
18:34
oh I didn't see "64 images" in you message (edited)
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you recommend doing (64×1024×1024×4)×2×N where N my atlases number?)
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:34
dunno, in atlases you can do what you want (edited)
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Matodor 2024-09-10 18:34
for now i need only one 2048x2048 atlas
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:34
oh ok
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Matodor 2024-09-10 18:36
can you recommend a tool that will automatically generate an atlas? where you can set the space between images
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:36
generally should be fine, but i bet there are few ppl that only have pcs with 1024x1024 max texture size. ddnet will then downscale and it will look like shit
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other than that should be fine
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4x 1024x1024 is safer tho
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can you recommend a tool that will automatically generate an atlas? where you can set the space between images
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 18:37
no idea tbh
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Matodor 2024-09-10 18:37
ok thx
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GitHub BOT 2024-09-10 19:24
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8926 Fix editor crash when saving maps with RGB mapres
Convert mapres to RGBA immediately when loading them, so the image data is always in RGBA format internally, instead of only converting when the map is saved (which was erroneously removed in #8670). This means the cl_editor_dilate setting will now also be applied to converted RGB images.

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Cellegen 2024-09-10 19:32
@deen may I be allowed to use VPNs on ddnet servers? without it my shitty internet will just throw out unavailable DNS connections which make me disconnect. justatest
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It happens randomly and I ain't going to play knowning that my internet will go out any moment during runs
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if you're wondering, I'm using Cloudflare WARP
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jxsl13 2024-09-10 20:33
get cheap vps
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setup vpn, get single ip whitelisted
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given, that even fixes your problem
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on the other hand, you might want to analyze what's the actual problem. Change your dns server in your router?
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to like 8.8.8.8 or 9.9.9.9, 1.1.1.1, etc.
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Cellegen 2024-09-10 21:53
That won't work for my network, Cloudflare WARP redirects my connection in a way which is more stable, than using only DNS
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idk how you don't think the others affect physics. maybe swap is the only one that doesnt
Patiga 2024-09-10 21:59
rescue chat commands are not implemented in twgame yet iirc (@Zwelf ?) save and load is indeed implemented though twgame does recognize whenever rescue mode starts and ends. in general, teehistorian files should be sufficient to properly replay ddnet gameplay the player positions are in there, to be able to validate a replay implementation afaik. they also record some bugs in ddnet, which can't be explained as of yet (e.g. https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8172). the positions simply help nicely with any inconsistencies that can pop up :) they also make it a lot easier to work with teehistorians files with scripts
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meloƞ
Will check when I'm home
Jupstar ✪ 2024-09-10 22:00
You work until night? lol
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<ChillerDragon> but whatever ill reverted it pipeline is now failing :D
Patiga 2024-09-10 22:02
pipeline is running again :)
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32e9240 Fix editor crash when saving maps with RGB mapres - Robyt3 9f27897 Merge pull request #8926 from Robyt3/Editor-RGB-Mapres-Fix - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8926 Fix editor crash when saving maps with RGB mapres
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Tater 2024-09-10 22:38
does ddnet want freeze stars back? tclient will have it next update. It's like 10 lines of code
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Sans 2024-09-10 22:49
Is it possible to order the spec view by player id? would greatly appreciate it
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Tater 2024-09-10 22:51
what is the current ordering?
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alphabetical? (edited)
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alphabetical? (edited)
kebs 2024-09-10 22:59
yes
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Patiga 2024-09-10 23:00
o.o I would've bet player id
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