DDraceNetwork - developer

since when are hook teleporters predicted?

03:04

like actually how is this possible lol I thought these aren't predicted

<ChillerDragon> @Pathos look tw chat

04:25

<ChillerDragon> @pathos

Does someone have access to ddnet persian client for Linux? I wanna do some gaming on their servers but their website does not load for me

morning ddrace enjoyers and others

chillerdragon

Does someone have access to ddnet persian client for Linux? I wanna do some gaming on their servers but their website does not load for me

download link is available on their discord server.

gm

07:04

and really gn

<ChillerDragon> @ɢͥᴏᴊᴇ ɢʀᴇᴇͣɴͫ ! could you send that download link please? :)

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<ChillerDragon> @ɢͥᴏᴊᴇ ɢʀᴇᴇͣɴͫ ! could you send that download link please? :)

Check irc.

chillerdragon

Does someone have access to ddnet persian client for Linux? I wanna do some gaming on their servers but their website does not load for me

You would download a binary closed source client?

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<ChillerDragon> I would download anything :D

08:25

<ChillerDragon> I would probably not run it on my main machine tho but in a sandboxed environment.

08:29

<ChillerDragon> But yes I totally might run a binary closed source client even on my main system @Learath2 If I think its legit. Its basically the same as running something you compiled from source but did not read and understand every line of code in it.

How can the quality of an image be so bad in a book pepeW

MilkeeyCat

How can the quality of an image be so bad in a book pepeW

Handdrawn in the 90s

<ChillerDragon> Would you run ddnet persian client on your machine lerato?

08:31

<ChillerDragon> omg dont afk on me @Learath2

Nope. I only run binaries from sources I trust one way or another

<ChillerDragon> would you run t-client?

Isn't t-client open source? I'd rather compile my own

<ChillerDragon> it is

08:33

<ChillerDragon> if compiled on your own would you run it?

08:34

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/sjrc6/TaterClient-ddnet

GitHub - sjrc6/TaterClient-ddnet: Modification of DDNet teeworlds c...

Modification of DDNet teeworlds client. . Contribute to sjrc6/TaterClient-ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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<ChillerDragon> if compiled on your own would you run it?

Sure

<ChillerDragon> would you read the code before?

I'd take a glance at the diff from ddnet

08:35

Though, no I wouldn't read all of it

<ChillerDragon> and thats what makes you feel safe?

08:36

<ChillerDragon> or is it the fact that you like tater as a person and have something against persians?

What makes me feel safe is that the source is out in the open, so there are many more eyes on it

<ChillerDragon> I see

08:36

<ChillerDragon> I act similiar tbh. But actually I think its a bit of a flawed mindeset

Way to make it personal, lol

<ChillerDragon> That might work for ddnet where it is known that many contributors look at pullrequests. But something small like tater client which is basically developed by one person is not really audited.

08:38

<ChillerDragon> I would assume not a single person audited tater client for security concerns.

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<ChillerDragon> I act similiar tbh. But actually I think its a bit of a flawed mindeset

It is only slightly flawed. The intricate ssh backdoor was snuck in secretly in front of everyones eyes, but if xz was closed source it may have never been spotted ever and that same dude might still be injecting backdoors to this day (edited)

u can literally see the diffs to main repo

<ChillerDragon> technically you can but nobody reads them if they get to big. Everyone just says "someone else probably checked it" @Gumba

just read a few thousands loc of diff

08:39

and compile that in your noodle

Also, there are reasons I trust some binary blobs more than others

<ChillerDragon> its the persians!

ah gg

Nvidia is a huge corporation, if people find a secret backdoor in there their reputation is ruined

why do you even need their client to connect?

<ChillerDragon> idk maybe antibot @Gumba

08:41

<ChillerDragon> @Gumba go send download link

It's a very effective anticheat

<ChillerDragon> @Learath2 ppl still use windows

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<ChillerDragon> its the persians!

didn't persian people who had access to database inserted fake records? xd

08:41

i wouldn't trust them

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<ChillerDragon> @Learath2 ppl still use windows

Whenever I use windows I just hope that I'm not important enough for the NSA to use their secret zero days

MilkeeyCat

didn't persian people who had access to database inserted fake records? xd

Not the same group of people to be fair

<ChillerDragon> yes but i mean that windows is known spyware and people don't care. So companies dont have to worry too much about their reputation.

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<ChillerDragon> @Gumba go send download link

https://cdn.ddper.ir/downloads/DDPER-v7.0-linux.zip gl hf with this sus thing

<ChillerDragon> thanks @Gumba

08:42

<ChillerDragon> wish me luck

08:43

<ChillerDragon> wait i wrote tw client in assembly ..

08:43

<ChillerDragon> every binary is open source to me now

:clueless:

xd

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<ChillerDragon> yes but i mean that windows is known spyware and people don't care. So companies dont have to worry too much about their reputation.

That is true. Maybe I should run more sus binaries

I'm sorta surprised ddper is allowed on the masterserver tbh

<ChillerDragon> look the sus malware client dev woke up

Tater

I'm sorta surprised ddper is allowed on the masterserver tbh

Weren't they removed? I remember heinrich working on it

oh idk

08:44

I have not checked lol

<ChillerDragon> @Tater did you know lerato hates persians?

??? Slander

<ChillerDragon> heinrich is afk i can do huge trolling now

I'm sueing you rn

<ChillerDragon> i got lawyer jopsti

08:46

<ChillerDragon> u already lost

He can argue how 86000 fps is better than 85750 fps

<ChillerDragon> @Tater I scrolled through the ENTIRE diff https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/compare/master...sjrc6:TaterClient-ddnet:master and I approve

Comparing ddnet:master...sjrc6:master · ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

now I will put chiller dragon approves stamp on repo and launch menu

<ChillerDragon> t-client at commit 2473ef86519e9b5a7548e2b7626178c74c2e0fbc is now officialy safety approved by ZillyHuhn Conglomerate Incorporated

08:48

<ChillerDragon> I have to admit its more legit than chillerbot-ux which does ip grabbing and user tracking

???

<ChillerDragon> ?

08:49

<ChillerDragon> poggies the persian client ships with symbols

lmao

08:50

reminds me of that 1 time valve accidently shipped CSGO with symbols and it caused a huge increase in cheats

<ChillerDragon> strings DDPER looks quite innocent

08:51

<ChillerDragon> im tempted to yolo it xd

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<ChillerDragon> I would assume not a single person audited tater client for security concerns.

i trust tater myself, i wouldn't use anything like cactus client or s client though, theyre closed source

09:02

is there any benefit for tater to include malware batteries in

<ChillerDragon> cactus is sus to me personally because they ripped off all chillerbot-ux features without credit -.-

to steal all ddcoins from others (edited)

Tater

I'm sorta surprised ddper is allowed on the masterserver tbh

same here

<ChillerDragon> @zhn yes there is lots of benefits of distrubting malicious software. He could scan for credentials such as crypto keys/discord tokens/credit card info/chatgpt tokens etc to gain money

ye and get kicked out from community immediately

<ChillerDragon> or he could obtain power with a bot net of tw clients that could be used for ddos or for vote bots in game

gg 1 time money grab

09:05

for year of development

<ChillerDragon> ye its exit scame unless its sneaky

@Learath2 is it ok to build symbol table after parser made ast?

<ChillerDragon> mine btc can be sneaky for example @zhn

09:06

<ChillerDragon> but it also doesnt do too much harm to users

you could post malware.exe on a website but if you say it has a TW bot then 100s of people will run it anyway even if there's not even an actual client in it (edited)

<ChillerDragon> yea closed source bots are for sure more risky than open source legit clients

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<ChillerDragon> mine btc can be sneaky for example @zhn

$1.00/day if you ship this with steam version kek

This command was not found.

<ChillerDragon> stonks

BTC mining is probably less profitable than begging people to give you money

Can you give me some money?

<ChillerDragon> wait but all these reasons also apply to the evil persian client right?

Jupstar ✪

Can you give me some money?

maybe if you ask a billion more times

<ChillerDragon> also tater can just rebrand him self with a new fake nick

09:12

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ i can give you money! I am persian prince!!!! But I am stuck in uganda jail I need steam giftcard to get out!!!! THEN I MAKE YOU BILLION DOLLAR

sounds like a fair deal

zhn

is there any benefit for tater to include malware batteries in

Well ofc, he can collect discord tokens and sell them

<ChillerDragon> it might get detected before a substential amount of money is gained

09:16

<ChillerDragon> but yes then he just comes with the new name legitgamer69 and the l-client

MilkeeyCat

@Learath2 is it ok to build symbol table after parser made ast?

Well ofc, you can scan through the ast in a second pass to build your symbol table

Learath2

Well ofc, he can collect discord tokens and sell them

its easy to discover, no?

09:21

i mean i do read every pr popping on ddnet gh just to check if its good feature and how its implemented

After seeing how creative the xz backdoor was I'm not so sure

i bet theres someone like me but on taters master

With sufficient creativity you can sneak in things piece by piece

<ChillerDragon> @zhn i really dont think there is someone like that on taters master

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<ChillerDragon> strings DDPER looks quite innocent

What exactly did you expect?

Sneak your payload into the menu screen background map

TacTic

What exactly did you expect?

string STEALDISCORDTOKEN.PY is what he was expecting probably

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<ChillerDragon> @TacTic i expected some suspicious strings like cnc http endpoints or evil method names etc

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<ChillerDragon> @zhn i really dont think there is someone like that on taters master

didnt u just read whole diff nobo

<ChillerDragon> @Learath2 you can also add a auto updater its free malware delivery system and the users would think its epic feature. Thats how ddnet ships most of its targeted backdoors right?

It's funny, sometimes I read the chats here and see comments about the DDPER server when none of them have even downloaded the client yet.

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<ChillerDragon> @TacTic i expected some suspicious strings like cnc http endpoints or evil method names etc

there http endpoints, its account based client

09:25

there are*

<ChillerDragon> whats funny @TacTic

09:25

<ChillerDragon> are you persian client defender @TacTic ?

TacTic

It's funny, sometimes I read the chats here and see comments about the DDPER server when none of them have even downloaded the client yet.

chillerdragon literally debugging it rn

I did some static analysis on an old ddper client and it appeared safe to me by eye. But spotting things in assembly is pretty hard

he got debug symbols of ddper client and just going thru it

<ChillerDragon> I am not sure if I understood your "It's funny" correctly but I read some subtone @TacTic almost like you are implying that we are saying ddper is malware without having tried it or am i misinterpreting?

yeah literally

<ChillerDragon> okay then i beg to disagree

To be fair no one is saying it is malware

<ChillerDragon> I have downloaded the client and nobody here claimed that ddnet persian client is malware to my knowledge

zillyhuhn is trying to prove or disprove it

We were having a larger discussion about closed source binary releases in general

<ChillerDragon> only lerato has something against persians in general

stop zillying

HEY stop slandering slanderer

<ChillerDragon> :p

People will actually think you are serious then I'll get cancelled

<ChillerDragon> @TacTic are you associated with the project?

09:29

<ChillerDragon> axaxaxax @Learath2

Learath2

People will actually think you are serious then I'll get cancelled

Racist

<ChillerDragon> already established

fokkonaut

Racist

ddRacist

09:29

heyho fokko

<ChillerDragon> lmao ddracist

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8909 Map incorrectly reloaded when using change_map after callvote

1. Callvote to change map to any map, e.g. ctf1 2. Use change_map ctf1 or sv_map ctf1 in rcon 3. The server reloads the map even though the map name did not change 4. Use change_map ctf1 or sv_map ctf1 in rcon again 5. As expected, now the server does not reload the map

zhn

heyho fokko

Hey

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

i thought its by design

09:31

like why do u need change map if its still the same

09:31

go push ur buttons and type reload

zhn

i thought its by design

Not sure, something definitely felt inconsistent in the behavior. If you execute a config file that contains the same sv_map value, should the map be reloaded? I think change_map in vanilla also ends the rounds and shows the scoreboard, whereas it works like changing sv_map on ddnet servers

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<ChillerDragon> I have downloaded the client and nobody here claimed that ddnet persian client is malware to my knowledge

In fact, the client does not have any additional items than other clients and ddnet, in fact, the only reason that the client is not open source is only because of the special ban system that they use and also to prevent bots from entering the servers, no virus or Malware and... have not existed and will not exist, it is not logical for them to destroy their credibility after having a server for so many years. Off topic: I think the image of Iranians has been ruined because of political issues and false and fake propaganda among the people of other nations, otherwise the truth is that in every country and ethnicity and nationality there are good and bad people, and I know that the people of Iran are honorable people and They are good and have thousands of years of culture.

Robyt3

Not sure, something definitely felt inconsistent in the behavior. If you execute a config file that contains the same sv_map value, should the map be reloaded? I think change_map in vanilla also ends the rounds and shows the scoreboard, whereas it works like changing sv_map on ddnet servers

does it? i don't even remember using change_map on 05/06 vanilla

09:42

and sv_map always worked like that

zhn

and sv_map always worked like that

You mean always reloading? Maybe it was (unintentionally) changed at some point

zhn

does it? i don't even remember using change_map on 05/06 vanilla

I think it shows the scoreboard for a few seconds and then changes the map, but ddnet removed most of the round-related code I guess

m_MapReload = str_comp(Config()->m_SvMap, m_aCurrentMap) != 0;

09:44

found this on 07 codebase

<ChillerDragon> 07 mentioned

its the only thing it does on 07 when change_map is triggered

zhn

its the only thing it does on 07 when change_map is triggered

That's ddnet's code though

09:47

void CGameContext::ConChangeMap(IConsole::IResult *pResult, void *pUserData)
{
    CGameContext *pSelf = (CGameContext *)pUserData;
    pSelf->m_pController->ChangeMap(pResult->NumArguments() ? pResult->GetString(0) : "");
}

void IGameController::ChangeMap(const char *pToMap)
{
    str_copy(m_aMapWish, pToMap, sizeof(m_aMapWish));

    m_MatchCount = m_GameInfo.m_MatchNum-1;
    SetGameState(IGS_GAME_RUNNING);
    EndMatch();
}

09:47

This is 0.7

Robyt3

That's ddnet's code though

xd, never use github search

09:51

btw no its 07 code too

09:51

but from server.cpp

zhn

xd, never use github search

I searched locally, GitHub search doesn't work very well (edited)

Robyt3

I searched locally, GitHub search doesn't work very well (edited)

ye, i addressed this to myself

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8910 Adopt changes to AndroidManifest.xml from SDL sample project

Specify android:installLocation="auto" so the app can be installed on and move to the external storage. Specify optional features which the app may use (touchscreen, game controller, external mouse). Specify android:preferMinimalPostProcessing="true" so lower latency HDMI mode is enabled when available. Specify android:hardwareAccelerated="true" for consistency (it is already the default setting). Specify same android:configChanges and android:alwaysRetainTaskState values a...

TIL u can avoid the ABA problem using quadword compare and swaps

10:46

A simple CAS operation may not be sufficient to guard against what is commonly referred to as the ABA problem in such algorithms that manipulate pointer variables. To avoid the ABA problem, the algorithms associate a reference counter with the pointer variable and perform updates using a quadword compare and swap (of both the pointer and the counter). The double and quadword CAS instructions support implementation of algorithms for ABA problem avoidance.

10:46

from the risc docs

BlaiZephyr

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8911 stops coloring of Y and X speed vals if val=0

attempt to fix #8814 Absolutely no idea if this has any effect - but if i understand m_aPlayerSpeed correctly this should prevent the color from rendering if any of both values is 0. one other possible fix seems to use m_aLastPlayerSpeedChange[i] = ESpeedChange::NONE; instead - hard to fix something you can't reproduce. two other things i found out were that when you spam a and d the Y value spasm's a little bit and the X speed value isnt actually properly aligned with the position val...

10:48

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9832288 Adopt changes to AndroidManifest.xml from SDL sample project - Robyt3 306d3c7 Merge pull request #8910 from Robyt3/Android-Manifest-Flags-SDL - def-

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def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8910 Adopt changes to AndroidManifest.xml from SDL sample project

<ChillerDragon> There has to be a simple way to get this to run on my machine right?

11:54

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1725710007.png

11:54

<ChillerDragon> I have glew 2.2 from apt but the binary wants 2.1

apt-cache search glew maybe you can simply downgrade to 2.1 (e.g sudo apt install --reinstall libglew2.1) or smth like that