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шизофренfк

Does anyone have any knowledge about creating servers and what kind of hosting is needed, as well as how to program servers and add all sorts of different addons?

i can tell you but lets move to #off-topic (edited)

What's this thing?

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hand

Are there any cmds to turn off particles?

you can replace particles with empty/transparent textures

11:59

other than that no

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mapping question: let's say i have a greyscaled block which i colored through a layer setting is there an easy way to take just a grey block and then add some overlay to it so it looks exactly like the first one did? or is it even always possible?

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it feels like your question is your answer

12:15

u have a grey block which you colored by changing the layer color now you have a grey block and want to color it like the one before

12:16

but generally if in design mode you can use 2 layers

12:16

the second is an overlay

12:16

design = non-entities

Jupstar ✪

it feels like your question is your answer

i felt like it too, but i just cant do it for some reason xD

12:22

like you cant just copy the color cuz you will need to lower the opacity

Gazebr

like you cant just copy the color cuz you will need to lower the opacity

yeah if you really want to match the color 1:1 it's not easy

Jupstar ✪

yeah if you really want to match the color 1:1 it's not easy

well i would be fine with something very close to it, but when i slide the color randomly it feels like i could never make it xD

12:29

like its always darker or always less purply idk

do you have the final color as RGB value? if you use the layer color it's simple match: target_rgb = texture_rgb * layer_rgb

Jupstar ✪

do you have the final color as RGB value? if you use the layer color it's simple match: target_rgb = texture_rgb * layer_rgb

what does texture rgb mean here? isnt it just white since i didnt modify it through a layer? or do you mean that i need to check a color of some part of the grey block?

Gazebr

what does texture rgb mean here? isnt it just white since i didnt modify it through a layer? or do you mean that i need to check a color of some part of the grey block?

yes the second one is true

12:34

the graphics backend fetches a pixel from the grey block and then does the math

12:35

that is how GPUs do it internally

12:35

so for every pixel it is done independially

12:35

bro word too hard

ok i need a notepad for this lmao

12:36

why is color so hard

two more things:

if you add transparency in the layer it gets impossible how the color looks like, because it depents on the background
- i dunno what you meant with overlay in your original question, but if you mean that you first render the grey block and then a semi transparent purple quad, then the math there is:

texture_rgb * (1 - purple_quad_*alpha*) + puple_quad_rgb * purple_quad_*alpha* which is how alpha blending is applied

so im doing the first formula rn, if this doesnt work ill just record a video of what im trying to do xD

12:44

sry brain too smol

Heres what im trying to do xD

12:57

and the question is can you always do it 1:1 (or close to it) and if yes how

so you want the second as your result?

ye, my goal is to have the right one look the same as the left one (which i already colored how i like)

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13:02

guys how do i fix this

13:02

i tried different rendereres

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there still arent numbers on cps

wolframalpha gave these as possible solutions

13:03

i dont have wolframalpha pro, else i could give you a better plot xd

13:04

r is the alpha of your color p is the rgb value

13:04

should mention that xd

wait but is there an alpha value? like if its not transparent then you cant see the block at all

13:04

oh ok i see xD

user56173

there still arent numbers on cps

settings > ddnet > show text entities

Jupstar ✪

wolframalpha gave these as possible solutions

wait am i stupid or you cant even construct a line which has both alpha and rgb values on it? xD

tux

settings > ddnet > show text entities

ty <3

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Gazebr

wait am i stupid or you cant even construct a line which has both alpha and rgb values on it? xD

well you can only approximate it. the p values are R, G and B and for all values you'd need a different alpha value

13:08

ah and alpha must be multiplied by 255

13:08

sadly the graph is too small to get good data from it xD

13:09

tbh just try it out by hand

13:09

it wont be perfect anyway

doesnt it work like that? so i picked p values yet there wont be an alpha value to match?

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i also just noticed, i have to normalize the colors too

13:10

forgot that

wait i think i did it in reverse

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13:12

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13:12

i am getting better at this

yeah im also getting better at understanding what this means xD

Gazebr

Heres what im trying to do xD

why use old version

well dunno how to force that thing to give approximate solutions

13:17

too hard for me, didnt use it in many years xd

archimede67

why use old version

parallax zoom ruined my background which is a tee-wide line

Gazebr

parallax zoom ruined my background which is a tee-wide line

it's been removed afaik

13:19

did you try latest version?

havent tried new client in a while, so ye might be

it's not configurable anymore at least

the editor has changed as well so it might be best to be up to date

tux

settings > ddnet > show text entities

i cant ifnd that

user56173

i cant ifnd that

btw if you have problems with tater client, ask tater

13:21

this is for ddnet client

i dont

fair, tho im a noob in the editor so probably wont use new stuff but ye if the bg is fixed why not

user56173

i dont

which then?

Jupstar ✪

which then?

ddnet omg

13:23

user56173

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you want to tell me that this is ddnet?

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Jupstar ✪

you want to tell me that this is ddnet?

i just launched ddnet and the same problem occured

its t-client or something similar

the client is irrelevant

but the freeze indicator is originated from t-client

user56173

i just launched ddnet and the same problem occured

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13:25

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Jupstar ✪

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i swear that wasnt there before

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you just updated my game

13:25

i know it

Jupstar ✪

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i dont get the memo xD i assumed the orange line was the red value but i guress not? tho green doesnt quite work anyway

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user56173

i swear that wasnt there before

because u didnt use ddnet

Jupstar ✪

because u didnt use ddnet

the client is irrelevant

t-client modified entityrendering a LOT with outlines and stuff

its here in the modified client too

so it's absolutely not irrelevant LOL

meloƞ

so it's absolutely not irrelevant LOL

dude

13:26

i had launched ddnet before asking

13:26

same problem

Gazebr

i dont get the memo xD i assumed the orange line was the red value but i guress not? tho green doesnt quite work anyway

well blue is R, orange is G, green is B

and that setting fixed it thx

that already is pretty confusing

Gazebr

i dont get the memo xD i assumed the orange line was the red value but i guress not? tho green doesnt quite work anyway

yeah the plot is shit, i think you cannot just take a sample of the graph like that

13:30

x axis is p, y is r

13:30

just forget about that

13:30

it's useless

its a cool graph tho xD

13:35

well adding an overlay should be different from changing layer color since you can make black part more green, but you cant do it through the second way

3d makes more sense

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13:42

13:42

ok i stop, this is leading to nowhere

what does the third dimension even represent xDD

plot  125/255*(1-r) + p_x*r = 42/255 , 127/255*(1-r) + p_y*r = 87/255, 135/255*(1-r) + p_z*r = 44/255 where 0<=r<=1 and 0<=p_x,p_y,p_z<=1

i try this rn

13:43

but it doesnt understand what i want

13:44

maybe it cant even do smth like that, no idea

isnt it 4 variables lol

yeah

13:46

i simply doesnt work in 2d or 3d

13:46

i think you need at least 4d

i guess pick some r like 0.8 or something

ddnet mapping justatest

justatest

i cannot imagine otherwise how a plot should even look like

Gazebr

i guess pick some r like 0.8 or something

the problem is that it needs to plot for all r that exist all 3 other variables

manikoo

ddnet mapping justatest

justatest

yes, very ddnet very mapping

shit i suck at math, but since wolframalpha also sucks i am fine with it

xD

13:48

but cant you like pick one alpha and see if the solution exists?

13:48

or rather see the range

yeah but approximation is probably hard

13:48

a plot kinda shows the approximation as graph

13:48

the problem here is simply that there are too many unknown

13:50

i mean there simply is no solution, so just do it by hand

Gazebr

i dont get the memo xD i assumed the orange line was the red value but i guress not? tho green doesnt quite work anyway

this was closer than i thought

13:50

also wait, when you add transparent layer above the block does it multiply, not add?

i'd count that as win

Jupstar ✪

two more things:

if you add transparency in the layer it gets impossible how the color looks like, because it depents on the background
- i dunno what you meant with overlay in your original question, but if you mean that you first render the grey block and then a semi transparent purple quad, then the math there is:

texture_rgb * (1 - purple_quad_*alpha*) + puple_quad_rgb * purple_quad_*alpha* which is how alpha blending is applied

it does: texture_rgb * (1 - purple_quad_*alpha*) + puple_quad_rgb * purple_quad_*alpha*

13:51

where purple is now green xD

i mean if we return to the full black example - you cant change its color though layer settings right?

13:52

but you can with overlay

Gazebr

i mean if we return to the full black example - you cant change its color though layer settings right?

yes that is right

13:53

the layer color is multiplied

13:53

the overlay is added with the forular above

13:53

see the + sign

something tells me that it would be easier to do randomly and without aiming for 1:1 cuz like if you have a full white block with a black dot and change it to bright red in the layer, you cant replicate it with an overlay - either you wont see the black dot or the red wont be as bright

yeah it probably depends too hard on the change in the texture anyway

14:02

that is the annoying part about alpha blending

where is the laser blocker?....

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Teero

where is the laser blocker?....

this ?

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where?

top row

fuck thank you

lmao

outdated

hello how can i change mapres?

What are these eyes for

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they are unused in DDNet afaik, these are "dead eyes" (edited)

ou okey

i can not spec

17:56

no like i can spec but i cant spec someone or multiview

spec doesnt work on all maps

17:56

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bind x +spectate

i cant swap people i spectating

17:57

i hold middle mouse button and theres nothing

it does work for me

cofil75k

i hold middle mouse button and theres nothing

in f1 -> bind mouse3 +spectate and try again

ok

Is it possible to fix/update a skin later on after upload ?

DeKaeL

Is it possible to fix/update a skin later on after upload ?

yes

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meloƞ

in f1 -> bind mouse3 +spectate and try again

thx :3

but its better to fix all the bugs before uploading

18:05

thonk

18:07

also not sure about "updating" if its something that changes the look of the skin

visual bugs can be fixed at all times, i wouldn't recommend changing existing skins to appear differently tho

game crash wheni open settings

then dont open settings xd which settings did you open? (edited)

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