DDraceNetwork - mapping

iTom

We need more Dummy Maps like Bomb Raid again

u mean like chill solid drag parts ?

00:20

i agree tbh, never disappoints

louis

u mean like chill solid drag parts ?

Yes, i think thats a good definition. Atleast that are the maps i often replay and which i like to play when not tryharding new harder maps

my last chil solid drag map got declined, because of weird elitist testers

00:44

i think that the constant idea of "high quality" map, was putting down basic enjoyable maps, which is really sad

what, basic drags?

Welf

my last chil solid drag map got declined, because of weird elitist testers

that was cuz it was low effort not necessarily cuz of elitist testers

louis

that was cuz it was low effort not necessarily cuz of elitist testers

that's how you interpret the situation lol

09:04

show me any better map with the same purpose, im waiting for years

luminati

that's way harder, not compareable at all

Dizzy

10:23

lavender forest (edited)

10:25

cartoon, WTF (edited)

not really compareable imo, they teach you different stuff

10:26

i dont think you understand the map i uploaded

Welf

i dont think you understand the map i uploaded

pretty elitist statement now thonk

Well judging by what you are comparing it to

are you trying to say your map introduces beginner/moderate level players to simple versions of common techniques? i could see that, but even then, some of the parts were pretty unbalanced anyways

10:32

you can't just justify a map through the idea or theme it's supposed to have

nobody said that they would be unbalanced

10:33

that was not the criticism back then, and it would be easy to fix

you still need to fine tune each part and put effort into the small parts of gameplay, that's what differentiates a 'low effort spam' type of drag map with a 'replayable classic' one

That's what i tried to do back then, where did i mess up?

10:34

You are sounding elitist right now btw

10:36

The map was already fine tuned in some ways, because it would force the players to repeat some very useful mechanics

10:37

And the map is very accessible, the frustration was on a minimum (fine tuning)

Welf

The map was already fine tuned in some ways, because it would force the players to repeat some very useful mechanics

how? i could count 2 required (for noobs) hammers in the whole map, and the ground hammer (much harder version) comes first

10:48

most of the rest is just drag part movement techniques, some easier than others

10:48

solos don't seem too well thought out either

louis

how? i could count 2 required (for noobs) hammers in the whole map, and the ground hammer (much harder version) comes first

the ground hammer comes first?

10:49

WELL

10:49

explain?

10:49

they can be fixed? if not, why not? nobody explained how to improve the map or anything, it was just random criticism

louis

most of the rest is just drag part movement techniques, some easier than others

the techniques in the drag are very usefull, and the map would force you to learn them, perfect for players who finished multeasymap 50 times

ah my bad the wall hammer comes first

10:50

but 50% of noobs won't wallhammer there since there's hookable

i think that hooking the ceiling while doing a drag part, then hooking your teammate again is much harder, because it requires more aim

10:50

but that would be fixable too

i'd make the start less blocky (spawn and the easy-hh after the noobfilter)

i dont understand

noobs play in bigger groups, you can't have parts where they block eachother easily

10:51

same goes for parts with tele, they can be extremely unproductive at beginning of maps (kobra)

the first part was intententionally easier

10:52

and the map is for 2p

well it's not teamforced, so it's inherently for t0 as well

teamforce is bad

if you want to introduce multiple techniques you need to do it a bit more gradually, as of now the map structure seems too rushed

i dont understand

10:52

it seems like you are putting a very high standard no map fulfills