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Yes the client unpacks that integer. Removing it would break protocol. But you could remove the variable if you want to just make sure you still pack and unpack that integer. Its value can be anything but as of right now it’s zero.

Replying to @Tater maybe it's required to keep struct size

00:15

The variable is part of a struct which is used as offset so you would have to change that

who was it with the email host recommendation? seemed like a rly good deal

02:38

thought it was deen but cant find

Ewan

who was it with the email host recommendation? seemed like a rly good deal

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1252302990841479169

mm dont think it was that but thx for looking

02:43

i distinctly remember they attached a link

alright sry

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

9b85c60 A Hook It - ddnet-maps

mailgun free tier for sending email

chillerdragon

Yes the client unpacks that integer. Removing it would break protocol. But you could remove the variable if you want to just make sure you still pack and unpack that integer. Its value can be anything but as of right now it’s zero.

chillerdragon: documented here btw: https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/f83caf19a23a6ab21875ced2abcbedd58af5121b/doc/snapshot.md#snapshot-deltas

libtw2/doc/snapshot.md at f83caf19a23a6ab21875ced2abcbedd58af5121b ...

Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust.™. Contribute to heinrich5991/libtw2 development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ewan

who was it with the email host recommendation? seemed like a rly good deal

protonmail? migadu? cock.li?

Ewan

who was it with the email host recommendation? seemed like a rly good deal

https://purelymail.com/

09:34

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1130248758504980511

09:34

catxplosion

been using it for my email.

<ChillerDragon> @heinrich5991 i know you documented snapshots and you know i know. And i know you know that i documted them too. Why send this to me xd

ChillerDragon: I replied to your "this field is unused" message

10:46

because that fact is also documented in the libtw2 documentation (edited)

<ChillerDragon> yes i know

10:46

<ChillerDragon> and you know i know

10:47

<ChillerDragon> idk im confused xd

10:47

<ChillerDragon> did i say something wrong?

10:47

<ChillerDragon> maybe you ment to ping teero

10:48

<ChillerDragon> or totar

ah. I pinged you because it was a reply to your mesesage and you don't see replies otherwise

TsFreddie

https://purelymail.com/

One problem with purelymail I had was that I noticed I couldn't receive emails from 1-2 people. This is kind of a deal breaker when you do important stuff via email. I'm hoping it doesn't happen more often, but wasn't sure if it's a misconfiguration on purelymail's side or the other side

<ChillerDragon> they were talking about how snapshots work as if there aren't 3 documentations on it

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> they were talking about how snapshots work as if there aren't 3 documentations on it

kill me

The great part is that you can have lots of domains and emails

<ChillerDragon> ah well i could have guessed xd @heinrich5991 now it just like you wanted to inform me about libtw2 xd

10:51

<ChillerDragon> seems*

^^

10:51

I see

deen

One problem with purelymail I had was that I noticed I couldn't receive emails from 1-2 people. This is kind of a deal breaker when you do important stuff via email. I'm hoping it doesn't happen more often, but wasn't sure if it's a misconfiguration on purelymail's side or the other side

have you asked them about it

Yes, but we didn't find a root cause

ah, bummer

<ChillerDragon> i hate the fact that im still stuck with gmail and their web ui. Somehow I can not get rid of it. I tried mutt multiple times and somehow never stuck with it. About other providers im not sure either. I tried protonmail but now they deleted all my accounts so not sure how much i like them either.

10:58

<ChillerDragon> My touchpad of the mac broke down a few days ago. So i can no longer left or right click. It still works suprisingly well without an external mouse. I can fully operate it and do all tasks i need it to do

10:58

<ChillerDragon> but my email reading became headlines only xd

how about using thunderbird?

<ChillerDragon> i never liked it

11:00

<ChillerDragon> might as well use a web ui

web UI locks you in

11:03

thunderbird does not

<ChillerDragon> i dont feel locked in

lock in isn't about feeling, I think?

<ChillerDragon> i can switch from gmails web ui to protons web ui or mutt

but you can't switch to mutt apparently (edited)

11:04

because of UI issues

11:04

that's your lock in

<ChillerDragon> thunderbird is not sexy and not in the terminal and it still requires me to configure sign up

the sign up is trivial

<ChillerDragon> I am not sure what keeps me out of mutt. Maybe i don't have enough pain points in the web ui and it just works. While I am too lazy to login to mutt or learn its keybindings.

then use thunderbird?

11:10

it has an intuitive UI just like thet web UI

11:10

(or any other graphical email client)

<ChillerDragon> I don't like its look and feel and the fact that i have to start a whole application just to check my mails

11:11

<ChillerDragon> a graphical email client would be a downgrade for me.

it reduces your lock in

11:11

you'll keep your mails when google bans your account

<ChillerDragon> I won't be able to receive new or send new

yes

<ChillerDragon> I don't use gmail as storage

hi chillerdragon

<ChillerDragon> foxo

chillox

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> i hate the fact that im still stuck with gmail and their web ui. Somehow I can not get rid of it. I tried mutt multiple times and somehow never stuck with it. About other providers im not sure either. I tried protonmail but now they deleted all my accounts so not sure how much i like them either.

How did you get your protonmail accounts deleted?

Some thoughts on blockers: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/4407418214726864696/?tscn=1720622722

Blockers issue :: DDNet General Discussions

Almost every time playing this game there is a blocker deciding to ruin/block the gameplay for everyone near the level start. Since there are so many players at the server it is hard to get that player banned even when everyone at the start votes yes cause it is not sufficient. The blocking problem seems to be increasingly common. So more effect...

11:45

Can we bind say "/specvoted" and have it show up in the vote box?

deen

Can we bind say "/specvoted" and have it show up in the vote box?

Maybe a small button in the vote menu, or "press F5 to watch x"

11:51

which would execute /specvoted, preferrably only if ddnet has a SERVERCAPFLAG_SPECVOTED, so the client knows when to show that information and won't show it on servers where this command does not exist

11:51

and wont try to execute it on F5

deen

Some thoughts on blockers: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/4407418214726864696/?tscn=1720622722

I honestly love the picture in picture idea. like a small window below the vote window. it is just really hard to implement :-v

Not that hard, NetworkClipped has to be checked twice basically while a vote is running. Once for your own tee, once for the /specvoted tee. That's all. Client can do the rest

12:00

Client would need to know WHO is actually being voted, so it might be enough to send a NetMessageEx to tell the client about the currently being voted player

12:00

No need for specvoted hack at all then

12:02

At that point we might wanna introduce a NetMessageEx for setting a vote, so we won't send two messages.

deen

Can we bind say "/specvoted" and have it show up in the vote box?

I'd say the problem of votes is that they're toothless. the problem is that by giving them some power, we'll have false positives, which you seemed to be quite averse to. this means votes are essentially useless on moderately full servers today

I think it's a great idea to have this command bound by default, also have it in the controls menu, maybe have the client detect the key you have it bound to, and display the key you have to press to spectate them. Having to manually find the Tee being voted takes far too long for people to want to put the effort in, especially on a full server. Also the problem of new players not knowing you can use right shift to spectate players to begin with. (edited)

make a custom client for mods that immediately specvotes every new votekick in any server

Skeith

I think it's a great idea to have this command bound by default, also have it in the controls menu, maybe have the client detect the key you have it bound to, and display the key you have to press to spectate them. Having to manually find the Tee being voted takes far too long for people to want to put the effort in, especially on a full server. Also the problem of new players not knowing you can use right shift to spectate players to begin with. (edited)

I think it requires votes to have an effect first. or do you think that they'll have one since people are more likely to actually view the other person?

Yes, I think more people actually being able to see what the person is doing would help

13:16

Pressing right shift to spectate isn't known by everyone on these crowded novice servers, as well as it being somewhat difficult to find the person being voted in a giant list of people. Less effort to look at the person being voted would probably help a lot

13:18

It makes sense for this to be part of the default experience anyways I think, having a button to quickly look at the voted person and have the vote popup display the key you should press to view it (edited)

it'd be nice if there was an automatic picture-in-picture view of the voted person

13:19

but that's a lot harder than the button

Right

(to select tees in spec) maybe we change the default bind from right shift to left shit? I always do that while you are spectating, you don't need the emote wheel, and right shift is quite an uncommon bind

I think you could hit that on accident and get yourself killed, probably not ideal, it's also the emote wheel bind that everyone is used to, would probably have a lot of growing pains

you can bind it to both

how would you get yourself killed? o.o it would only do smth in spec

mh lshift is emote, we even have it in the tutorial map

it only shows emote ingame

13:22

and only spec in spec

I guess you could bind both yeah

nono you misunderstand

I also have it bound to both (edited)

I don't want it to spec the voted tee, but allow you to select which tee to spec in spectate

Oh, right

13:22

Sorry, ya I assumed you meant spec

emote and tee selection don't collide and are both very handy, left shift works quite well imo

Sounds fine then

but how do you bind both?

13:24

I can imagine whatever solution having very meh interactions with the controls page in settings

ow, might be the case

I think regardless the way you spectate players isn't very intuitive, and I'm not sure how you could improve it

yes, our settings don't really work well with double binds

Learath2

but how do you bind both?

I'm on my laptop rn, I don't have the bind

bind lshift "+emote;+spectate"

probably just separated by semicolon, yea

13:27

the emote wheel could be combined with the tee selection perhaps? they are sorta similar popups

perhaps we could add a new binds item "spectator menu + emote wheel"?

heinrich5991

bind lshift "+emote;+spectate"

I'm unsure how well stroke commands work with multiple in a row

heinrich5991

perhaps we could add a new binds item "spectator menu + emote wheel"?

Yeah, this will have to be inseparable in settings, I don't see any other sane way, without parsing strings and stuff

Learath2

I'm unsure how well stroke commands work with multiple in a row

very well. I've had this bind for probably 10 years now

https://zed.dev/linux

Zed on Linux is here!

We've stabilized our Linux build, download it today!

13:36

@Jupstar ✪

13:36

promising new editor

13:36

previously only on macos

heinrich5991

very well. I've had this bind for probably 10 years now

Ah, nice

Ryozuki

https://zed.dev/linux

Hm, but I just got used to neovim

@Learath2 its made in rust

13:38

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed

GitHub - zed-industries/zed: Code at the speed of thought – Zed is ...

Code at the speed of thought – Zed is a high-performance, multiplayer code editor from the creators of Atom and Tree-sitter. - zed-industries/zed

Thorsten Ball works on linux version of zed, he also wrote a book about making an interpreter poggers2

poggers2

13:39

in go

isnt that mac only

@louis it was

13:41

today they released linux version

13:41

the post literally says "zed on linux is here"

When windows feelsbadman

feelsbadman

hopefully never

13:42

btw zed is triple licensed

13:42

under AGPL, GPL, and APACHE-2

Ryozuki

the post literally says "zed on linux is here"

oh mb i didnt scroll up that far

13:42

when i saw the initial youtube vid it looked pretty sweet

ye its fast af

13:42

i think it will be like vscode but made in rust not js so its fast

13:43

and they aim to use the most "platform native" features i guess

13:43

which is why they didnt release linux yet

maybe i should get back on linux feelsbadman

feelsbadman

13:45

only thing holding me back is fl studio and battery life lmao

Ryozuki

and they aim to use the most "platform native" features i guess

They use GPU for rendering ^^

13:51

I am using Zed already for my daily work and it is very fast compared to any other editor

Avolicious

They use GPU for rendering ^^

technically ( nerd

nerd

) all apps use gp (edited)

14:11

gpu

14:11

they just have a custom renderer

14:12

using the platform native api

louis

only thing holding me back is fl studio and battery life lmao

i think battery life got better

14:13

i know from tinkering with the kernel on gentoo that there are different cpu schedulers, some made for battery

Does anyone know where chatmsgs/broadcasts get put into the demo recorder?

14:15

i am so confused i've been searching for an hour

14:16

every CNetObj_* uses SnapNewItem to store itself into the snapshot but what stores the chat messages? (edited)

Messages are separate from snapshots. Chat messages and broadcasts are stored as messages

louis

only thing holding me back is fl studio and battery life lmao

I've been getting good battery life on my laptop, but it is very new, so maybe just the effects of new battery

i do have a new laptop as well, it's definitely good too but just not as great as windows it seems

15:12

might not matter though since i'm planning on bringing one of those big anker powerbanks around with me

i would bet a i3 desktop consumes less energy than windows desktop

15:32

maybe u need to tweak gpu fans or smth

15:33

probs has a harder time dealing with dual gpu? since seems like some propietary stuff

The biggest issue I've had with laptops was linux not being able to properly get into S0ix states when sleeping, but with this new laptop, no issues with that

TsFreddie

https://purelymail.com/

this is it thanks

s2idle

15:38

Can youtube stop pushing this stupid update that moves comments to the right side? Every couple months they push it out, people hate it, they revert it

Learath2

Can youtube stop pushing this stupid update that moves comments to the right side? Every couple months they push it out, people hate it, they revert it

I report it as negative feedback every time I get it

Learath2

Can youtube stop pushing this stupid update that moves comments to the right side? Every couple months they push it out, people hate it, they revert it

i dont know why so many big platforms like youtube, spotify etc have the tendency to introduce the weirdest ui changes even though it was perfect as it is

Iza

i dont know why so many big platforms like youtube, spotify etc have the tendency to introduce the weirdest ui changes even though it was perfect as it is

For this change I have a guess. The recommended next videos take much more space this way, they might be hoping it increases the chances that you would find a next video and spend more time on the platform

16:16

UI/UX is important, but not as important as shareholder value

16:16

Also who was it that posted a spotify client written in rust here, I wanted to contribute to that thing then I couldn't find it again

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8578 Minor cleanup of gamecore.cpp/h

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

ah yes, ~75 MB

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kek

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kek

sq"lite"

Damn

Robyt3

Messages are separate from snapshots. Chat messages and broadcasts are stored as messages

i got it to work thx :D

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 5 new commits

aeee2f5 Remove dead code and obsolete TODO - Robyt3 998adfc Remove redundant distance checks - Robyt3 660c1de Remove unnecessary use of this - Robyt3 7cbfe16 Avoid duplicate distance calculation - Robyt3 a21ff5b Merge pull request #8578 from Robyt3/Gamecore-Cleanup - def-

20:09

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8578 Minor cleanup of gamecore.cpp/h

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meloƞ

ah yes, ~75 MB

damn, so many new ranks

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