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Between 2024-06-25 00:00:00Z and 2024-06-26 00:00:00Z

Dont blame the 2 week rule for bad mapper decissions and bad testing

If the map is bit3-sized its easy to miss something

Coke warned silex about the skip back in 2022

1- I mentioned Murpi because he is the equivalent of the lead tester and the one who defends the rules (along with Heinrich). I didn't know he wasn't the only one behind it. Moreover, saying that the testers make the mapping rules and on the maps, then saying that you had a discussion among yourselves to redo them your way, is rly sad. 2- This is exactly the problem of point 1. 3- I understand that we may not have explained everything as well as possible, but as mentioned earlier, we talked about it for over a week on channels you have access to, then on Pipou's rules. And we did take into account what you think, but I get the impression that you don't understand the category and the rest because you are not active in the game and testing. Maybe what we want is not within the scope of the tester's role, but personally, i'm not thinking just as a tester. It seems to me that the game is becoming less and less attractive (I know you'll show me the player numbers, thanks to the Chinese for that) but there's no novelty, the system is very old and increasingly unbalanced over time. That's why we want a rerate, new categories, a new system. And I think the announcement of a possible DDNet 2 and then its sudden stop is a sad example. The game isn't renewing itself anymore, no more tournament... . That my point of view as a player since few years.

<BµmM>

Coke warned silex about the skip back in 2022

Silex fix the "skip" when i was doing it down way with coradax on the first and second day of the rls, but didn't fix the rest no idea why. But now we can fix anymore

VéNa

Silex fix the "skip" when i was doing it down way with coradax on the first and second day of the rls, but didn't fix the rest no idea why. But now we can fix anymore

Ye and coke warned him on the same day

00:31

Its pretty much same with hostile 3

00:31

You told pipou about the skip

00:31

But he keeped it

00:32

And now both mappers want a fix

00:32

Which is pretty absurd in my eyes

<BµmM>

Its pretty much same with hostile 3

I warn pipou while he was creating the map, because i saw the skip on hostile 2, but he wanted a coherence in the map for the series, so he didn't fix with lock or other way

<BµmM>

And now both mappers want a fix

Nah it's different, for hostile he wanted to fix but needed every rank to be delete, everyone accept except freeze

00:33

So pipou said fuck it, no fix

Im not talking about teamforce

remove bit3 ranks

Talking about t0 skip on h3

Kei

remove bit3 ranks

Can if it's not fix, it's like dummy map

<BµmM>

Talking about t0 skip on h3

Y but he wanted to fix with 2p lock, then said, if they don't accept they is no fix

And i think the 2 week rule is pretty fair for the moment

00:35

I havent seen a new release that suffered under the rule so far

<BµmM>

And i think the 2 week rule is pretty fair for the moment

Nah so many map could be fix, like bit3

00:36

Could be the same for grim reaper

<BµmM>

I havent seen a new release that suffered under the rule so far

They is no big map or big skip on new maps for now

Idk why you want to give mappers 10 chances to fix basic map skips

00:40

Its always the open maps that have these big skips

00:41

Ton, bit3, gen6, nether...

But should we rerate the map from insane to moderate, because the skip give free points ? (edited)

Skip is insane level

ppl skip their friends a lot

Depend the skip, for bit3 ok the skip is hard, but from start to end, having the skip 1 time is not equivalent to the map

hard to carry friends through insane maps

VéNa

But should we rerate the map from insane to moderate, because the skip give free points ? (edited)

But ye and this already happend before

00:43

On furypleaser

00:43

From brutal 5 -> brutal 2

Ah the rating is fucked up for so many reason

VéNa

Depend the skip, for bit3 ok the skip is hard, but from start to end, having the skip 1 time is not equivalent to the map

Nobody is doing the skip just for finish anyway

<BµmM>

Nobody is doing the skip just for finish anyway

Pov iku on hostile 3 then cry against the map every day kek

kek

<BµmM>

Nobody is doing the skip just for finish anyway

They is a lot of player who would play just for the points

VéNa

They is a lot of player who would play just for the points

Nobody is doing skip just for the points xd

00:48

Atleast for bit3

Not only bit3 have skip

00:48

But the problem of bit3 is : one of the hardest map, insane 4, and they is a huge skip

00:49

More than 50 % should not be allowed, like ton

Its hard to draw a line

VéNa

Not only bit3 have skip

But most of the time its only about bit3

00:53

Nobody really cared about the rule before the bit3 skip

<BµmM>

But most of the time its only about bit3

Nah, it's specialy for this one, because the skip came just after the 2 weeks rules, on one of the biggest map

<BµmM>

Nobody really cared about the rule before the bit3 skip

Because the rule didn't exist before xdd

It did

Not in a same way

Rule is there since 10 months

Wdym?

Wait

bit 3 is from 2022

00:55

Bit more than 10 months haha

Draggory

bit 3 is from 2022

Yep but the skip was not in players mind before

Yeah I know that

00:55

Just doing continuity checks

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/1133059745884950538

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Draggory

bit 3 is from 2022

Like i said, coke warned silex about the skip 1-2 days after release

Still nice that if you find a big cheat

Draggory

bit 3 is from 2022

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1254956922356891728

Wait 2 week and u are sure they can't fix

VéNa

Wait 2 week and u are sure they can't fix

Didnt happen so far

VéNa

1- I mentioned Murpi because he is the equivalent of the lead tester and the one who defends the rules (along with Heinrich). I didn't know he wasn't the only one behind it. Moreover, saying that the testers make the mapping rules and on the maps, then saying that you had a discussion among yourselves to redo them your way, is rly sad. 2- This is exactly the problem of point 1. 3- I understand that we may not have explained everything as well as possible, but as mentioned earlier, we talked about it for over a week on channels you have access to, then on Pipou's rules. And we did take into account what you think, but I get the impression that you don't understand the category and the rest because you are not active in the game and testing. Maybe what we want is not within the scope of the tester's role, but personally, i'm not thinking just as a tester. It seems to me that the game is becoming less and less attractive (I know you'll show me the player numbers, thanks to the Chinese for that) but there's no novelty, the system is very old and increasingly unbalanced over time. That's why we want a rerate, new categories, a new system. And I think the announcement of a possible DDNet 2 and then its sudden stop is a sad example. The game isn't renewing itself anymore, no more tournament... . That my point of view as a player since few years.

Here is your chance to make a difference. How would you draw the line? Can everything be fixed by the mapper and testers whenever?

Rule works for the moment

<BµmM>

Like i said, coke warned silex about the skip 1-2 days after release

I wasn't really referring to the coke thing, I just wanted to give dates on stuff since it seemed a bit desynced(?)

Learath2

Here is your chance to make a difference. How would you draw the line? Can everything be fixed by the mapper and testers whenever?

Hours of extra work

Learath2

Here is your chance to make a difference. How would you draw the line? Can everything be fixed by the mapper and testers whenever?

Of course, why it would not be possible, i fixed with spur all the dummy done in teamrank (btw 6 months pass and it's still not upload)

Draggory

I wasn't really referring to the coke thing, I just wanted to give dates on stuff since it seemed a bit desynced(?)

Where is it desync? Map rlsd 2022 -> coradax and vena tried to skip by falling through killtiles -> silex fixed the skip, coke warns him about the other -> 2023 -> new rule -> 2024 -> ppl skip

VéNa

Of course, why it would not be possible, i fixed with spur all the dummy done in teamrank (btw 6 months pass and it's still not upload)

Many fixes would entail deletion of all saves and all ranks need to be combed through. For more complex fixes for which we don’t have tooling that might mean deletion of all ranks

Learath2

Many fixes would entail deletion of all saves and all ranks need to be combed through. For more complex fixes for which we don’t have tooling that might mean deletion of all ranks

I understand for saves, but for deleting rank, i mentionned when the map can delete teamrank, and when it need to delete specific rank / check the some rank And it mean dummy map will never be fix? Because of saves?

You do know it takes us hours to manually review runs, right? Especially when things like sv_deepfly goes wrong

I know it takes time, and that why i mentionned which rank need check and which rank doesn't also all rank older than the first time they skipped dont need to be verify. And in 6 months they is probably more rank now, anyway i don't mind about dummy map, gl with it i've done my job, ty spur for the help. (edited)

<BµmM>

Where is it desync? Map rlsd 2022 -> coradax and vena tried to skip by falling through killtiles -> silex fixed the skip, coke warns him about the other -> 2023 -> new rule -> 2024 -> ppl skip

Could've just been me misinterpreting things because of the late night, but it seemed as if you and vena were talking about the same rule in different applications, because you stated that the rule was out 10 months ago, vena said bit3 existed before it so it doesn't really apply in the same way since the rule wasn't there for it's release. I think it's the former in this scenario though because it took me 10 mins to gather my thoughts into a single coherent message

at least on some dummy maps it should be doable to fix teamranks without affecting the gameplay? i mean you just delete all teamranks and put stoppers or buttons to the place where the dummy is supposed to die? (and then you only need to delete teamranks?) (edited)

Balami

at least on some dummy maps it should be doable to fix teamranks without affecting the gameplay? i mean you just delete all teamranks and put stoppers or buttons to the place where the dummy is supposed to die? (and then you only need to delete teamranks?) (edited)

This works for some, yes

Draggory

Could've just been me misinterpreting things because of the late night, but it seemed as if you and vena were talking about the same rule in different applications, because you stated that the rule was out 10 months ago, vena said bit3 existed before it so it doesn't really apply in the same way since the rule wasn't there for it's release. I think it's the former in this scenario though because it took me 10 mins to gather my thoughts into a single coherent message

The rule apply for map older than the rule

Balami

at least on some dummy maps it should be doable to fix teamranks without affecting the gameplay? i mean you just delete all teamranks and put stoppers or buttons to the place where the dummy is supposed to die? (and then you only need to delete teamranks?) (edited)

On some maps for some fixes it’s easy, on some maps for some fixes it’s not. That’s why we wanted a nice clean line

VéNa

The rule apply for map older than the rule

I just need to sleep then, goddamn

The fix is not a problem, i did it the cleanest way everytime.

Also I would like you to note that currently you don’t like the rule. We revert it, I will be having this chat with @<BµmM> where he hates that his rank is getting deleted

VéNa

Pov iku on hostile 3 then cry against the map every day kek

kek

you shouldnt think that map had that big of an influence on me, its just a really unfun map nothing else

I.K.U

you shouldnt think that map had that big of an influence on me, its just a really unfun map nothing else

Just joking bro

Learath2

Also I would like you to note that currently you don’t like the rule. We revert it, I will be having this chat with @<BµmM> where he hates that his rank is getting deleted

at least change it to 3 week rule so it looks like something has changed without an actual change (that's also how you make new parts in mapping)

Balami

at least change it to 3 week rule so it looks like something has changed without an actual change (that's also how you make new parts in mapping)

Bahahah

There is literally no way to make everyone happy. I honestly don’t know what to do at this point. There is always some huge issue with this game with some subcommunity

Btw learath2 what will happend for the new dummy map cheat, i think it's hurricane using a lag serveur to do a button manipulation for teamrank? Or maybe i didn't understand his way to skip

just ban hurricane at this point xd

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kek

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01:19

Jk

VéNa

Btw learath2 what will happend for the new dummy map cheat, i think it's hurricane using a lag serveur to do a button manipulation for teamrank? Or maybe i didn't understand his way to skip

I think it might need a code fix. Robyt3 might have already gotten it in

Okok

it's nice that you guys finally talk to each other (dont want to sound sarcastic here) (edited)

santatrollet

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With this rule, skips become part of maps permanently. That is a part of the game (looking for skips, doing skips) that some players enjoy. Without the rule, these skips are lost to time, ranks have to be deleted all the time and we have to spend hours trying to comb through runs and saves. At the time when this was being discussed, I thought there wasn’t really much harm to skips in general if we could have a split leaderboard somehow. That’s why I voted the way I did. Btw most of this discussion wasn’t even held privately, it was all in #bugs you can still read it if you’d like

can someone link that conversation for me? i have no idea how to find it

Learath2

With this rule, skips become part of maps permanently. That is a part of the game (looking for skips, doing skips) that some players enjoy. Without the rule, these skips are lost to time, ranks have to be deleted all the time and we have to spend hours trying to comb through runs and saves. At the time when this was being discussed, I thought there wasn’t really much harm to skips in general if we could have a split leaderboard somehow. That’s why I voted the way I did. Btw most of this discussion wasn’t even held privately, it was all in #bugs you can still read it if you’d like

idk why you even introduced a rule like that without sub-clauses allowing mappers to decide if they want to fix skips post grace period? "% of map skipped" is the first thing that comes to mind

Search for “telephone 3” in #bugs

Gobrox

idk why you even introduced a rule like that without sub-clauses allowing mappers to decide if they want to fix skips post grace period? "% of map skipped" is the first thing that comes to mind

% wouldnt really work

it would in extreme cases?

01:28

4q?

01:28

dare i say bit3?

What would u do when u can skip the hardest 40% of the map but the rule says everything <50% gets fixed

It has all been discussed in there, if it’s really this important, just go read that. I know the rule is not ideal, but no rules just mappers getting to change anything whenever is a lot of ranks deleted, a lot of saves deleted and a lot of hours out of everyone involveds lives

Learath2

It has all been discussed in there, if it’s really this important, just go read that. I know the rule is not ideal, but no rules just mappers getting to change anything whenever is a lot of ranks deleted, a lot of saves deleted and a lot of hours out of everyone involveds lives

+1

<BµmM>

What would u do when u can skip the hardest 40% of the map but the rule says everything <50% gets fixed

The bar should have obviously been set lower. I would come in here and say this is outrageous and it should be moved to 40%

Learath2

The bar should have obviously been set lower. I would come in here and say this is outrageous and it should be moved to 40%

Then you could do the same case with 30%

<BµmM>

What would u do when u can skip the hardest 40% of the map but the rule says everything <50% gets fixed

then you just take the l and move on, the sub clause is there to weed out big skips, if you skip and dont get caught by the rule its fine

I would say : mapper can't change whitout permission (mean can't change for minor cheat or useless things) + the map can be change only if it's a recent cheat, for example, fixing some old map today need too much rank to be remove

<BµmM>

Then you could do the same case with 30%

Exactly, then we can just remove the rule and everyone can be happy again. Then the other camp can start complaining about how unfair it is that their ranks are getting deleted

my argument is there should be sub clauses for this

01:32

literally any

I agree

VéNa

I would say : mapper can't change whitout permission (mean can't change for minor cheat or useless things) + the map can be change only if it's a recent cheat, for example, fixing some old map today need too much rank to be remove

Who gives permission? What is the criteria for the permission?

Gobrox

my argument is there should be sub clauses for this

Then everyone wants their own sub clauses

?

Gobrox

my argument is there should be sub clauses for this

You are allowed design and QoL fixes that don’t affect ranks. I think those are the only subclauses we have right now

Learath2

Who gives permission? What is the criteria for the permission?

The criteria depend on the type of the cheat, the way and the %

01:33

As bum said the % only would not work

<BµmM>

Then everyone wants their own sub clauses

wdym everyone wants their own sub clauses

01:33

n minutes skipped, % map skipped, % of timer skipped (hard to enforce)

01:34

those are the main ones you can use

Gobrox

wdym everyone wants their own sub clauses

Ppl would complain that you can cheat the 2 hardest parts or stuff like that

Gobrox

n minutes skipped, % map skipped, % of timer skipped (hard to enforce)

The problem is deciding the n, deciding the %s

apart from thats its bugs/glitches/dummies

Learath2

The problem is deciding the n, deciding the %s

i think we start at 50 and move down

01:34

that should be fine

What constitutes a bug? Are shotgun tricks like clipping and speed overcapping bugs?

tbh its not that hard to make maps that you cant skip so blame the mappers

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Nah % of timer can't work, it depend on wich rank, and it mean you can do a big cheat but wait to fake a 1 min better timer (edited)

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I.K.U

tbh its not that hard to make maps that you cant skip so blame the mappers

+1

its about having maps that people are willing to play

01:36

im pretty sure 4q is 80% skipped

01:37

mistakes happen

Gobrox

im pretty sure 4q is 80% skipped

No xd more like 99% skip

kek

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Gobrox

im pretty sure 4q is 80% skipped

its like 98% xd

kek

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I.K.U

its like 98% xd

Y mb 98, i forgot 1 hammer hit

i would like a testing rule that it should be obvious, that something isn't cheatable, because actually testing that takes alot of time

Why do you think people won’t play a map if a skip is possible? Not everyone plays for leaderboards really

VéNa

Y mb 98, i forgot 1 hammer hit

you have to hook someone out of the hole greenthing

greenthing

(A large majority of the players won’t ever be top racers)

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you an go through stoppers with alot of hammers afaik, so even 1 line of stoppers shouldnt be enough

Learath2

Why do you think people won’t play a map if a skip is possible? Not everyone plays for leaderboards really

i havent really thought about it i've just seen the consequences

01:39

and the numbers

Balami

you an go through stoppers with alot of hammers afaik, so even 1 line of stoppers shouldnt be enough

Are you talking about the last map in testing by a trial tester justatest

justatest

Gobrox

i havent really thought about it i've just seen the consequences

You’ve only really experienced bit3 as a big incident relating to this rule. I think bit3’s demise has nothing to do with the skip, it was simply just too long for it to survive ddos for a reasonable team 0 run

Bit3 still has a lot of playtime

01:41

I think 2 teams finished in t0 runs in the last 2-3 weeks

(I do understand how you feel btw, you can just look up my messages when I saw all the full bit3 servers were just random people and dummies trying to skip)

01:42

I’m just saying there is more than one explanation for what might appear obvious

Learath2

(I do understand how you feel btw, you can just look up my messages when I saw all the full bit3 servers were just random people and dummies trying to skip)

Nobody is doing the skip anymore, time to come back owo

owo

Learath2

You’ve only really experienced bit3 as a big incident relating to this rule. I think bit3’s demise has nothing to do with the skip, it was simply just too long for it to survive ddos for a reasonable team 0 run

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just my 2 cents, hope im wrong

<BµmM>

Nobody is doing the skip anymore, time to come back owo

owo

Ah gg fix the skip then

I bet stronghold would still be played a lot even if there was a skip for it. There is a certain charm to these maps that make them weeknight classics

01:46

I think what’s more interesting is harder maps that aren’t suited for team 0. Will those be played less if there is a skip? There are only a handful of players that even play them so it’s hard to measure really. Will a skipped run ever be respected?

Learath2

I think what’s more interesting is harder maps that aren’t suited for team 0. Will those be played less if there is a skip? There are only a handful of players that even play them so it’s hard to measure really. Will a skipped run ever be respected?

Depend on the skip, but yes it create competitivity or respect, like if paradise and brock do the skip on grim

01:49

But i have less respect on a skip like hostile 3 because it's done in t0 with dummy...

I just view these runs as not even being a part of the leaderboard, that’s probably why I feel differently. If you skipped the map with a very hard trick that’s impressive, but imo you did not finish the map

Learath2

I just view these runs as not even being a part of the leaderboard, that’s probably why I feel differently. If you skipped the map with a very hard trick that’s impressive, but imo you did not finish the map

Yep but still depend on the skip, map like heartcore (if you saw the tas) i would respect because the skip is 100000 time harder than the real map, while skip like bit3 is just t0 64 tee spaming until they get lucky and free finish

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Learath2

You are allowed design and QoL fixes that don’t affect ranks. I think those are the only subclauses we have right now

Why hasn't papillon been fixed yet? Was it because the fix didn't meet the criteria of the rules or was it an oversight

don't you guys sleep? justatest

justatest

sleep?

04:51

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VéNa

I know it takes time, and that why i mentionned which rank need check and which rank doesn't also all rank older than the first time they skipped dont need to be verify. And in 6 months they is probably more rank now, anyway i don't mind about dummy map, gl with it i've done my job, ty spur for the help. (edited)

anytime frenchie <3 (edited)

tatak

Why hasn't papillon been fixed yet? Was it because the fix didn't meet the criteria of the rules or was it an oversight

Dummy teamranks have nothing to do with the skip rule. Teamranks on dummy maps are illegal in general.

05:11

As to why x dummy map hasn't been addressed yet, see my response here: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/746534464984973323/1250698626624127056

05:12

Me, 4 months ago:

Some of the top5's need to be checked manually, since the skips used to get a teamrank aren't necessarily only to teamrank, but to save time as well.

where singaoor is at

👣♦ 𝕄ùร𝓼𝓐_ү𝓣 ✎✊

where singaoor is at

Somewhere in asia

troll

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WHERE ARE SINGAPORE SERVERS AHAHRFYWGATDGTAYF

! Yorrichi

WHERE ARE SINGAPORE SERVERS AHAHRFYWGATDGTAYF

I eat them, I was hungry. Sorry monkalaugh

monkalaugh

who wanna go flow fever?

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

do you mind if we gonna play on rus server?

07:18

2 player map

07:19

✪ Папик

murpi

As to why x dummy map hasn't been addressed yet, see my response here: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/746534464984973323/1250698626624127056

I wasn't talking about teamrank dummy but about qol fix that the mapper had done in less than two weeks. Why weren't the fixes done? https://ddnet.org/testlogs/show/Papillon

@RonIn Иннер пис это же не клан?

english please, other languages go to #off-topic

Fussel

english please, other languages go to #off-topic

guys, how to disable voting for a kick on the server

10:51

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sv_vote_kick 0

10:53

if you want to run an own server, you probably want to read this

helo everyone

Fussel

sv_vote_kick 0

I want to have a random card button in the voting how to do this

why command dont work (edited)

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11:45

"No map found on this server"

If that's your local server, there is no information which map has what stars

11:46

It can't get it from a db cause there is no db

ScReeNy

If that's your local server, there is no information which map has what stars

This is not a local server, it is on the host, but not from DDRace, how do I add a database?

I haven't done that and am not entirely sure it's all U need. But there is the add_sqlserver command https://ddnet.org/settingscommands/

oh

You could set one up with a db dump from DDnet and try

But how

11:52

create ticket mb

Not sure if all of this is worth the effort for that command^^ I'm sure there are more requirements

ScReeNy

Not sure if all of this is worth the effort for that command^^ I'm sure there are more requirements

most likely, the game has a data base with all the maps, but how do I connect it to the server?

You can't directly connect but you can get a dump and host urself https://ddnet.org/downloads/

11:57

Also I'm not quite sure how the command knows what server difficulty there is rn

Is this it?

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Man you choud've just downloaded the steam version-

steam version

12:00

?

yes

12:00

you can download it on steam

server started on Ubuntu, Linux

💀Sans The Skeleton💀

you can download it on steam

oh

Steam = client, not really suited to host a server (edited)

I don't need a Windows client.

12:01

I want points to be given for cards on my server

ok

bigY

Is this it?

@ScReeNy , Sorry to bother you

hello chat

It's fine but I'm not really that qualified to help with that further^^

Sup chat

how do I connect sql files?

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u need to run a db and import them

do I need to buy a data base??

ScReeNy

u need to run a db and import them

.

you don't need to "buy" one, you need to set up one

Learath2

you don't need to "buy" one, you need to set up one

and where can I get a database?

12:29

and how to set it up

This is not very easy, especially not on windows. You'll have to look it up online

12:30

We use https://mariadb.com/

Open Source Database (RDBMS) for the Enterprise | MariaDB

MariaDB provides enterprise open source database and cloud managed database services to support scalability, mission-critical deployments, and more.

12:30

But locally you can also use sqlite, just need to convert from sql to sqlite

sorry im ru

Learath2

you don't need to "buy" one, you need to set up one

He was originally asking about the random map command, do you know the full requirements?

Hm, idk if we support random map with sqlite, let me look it up

12:33

It definitely needs the record_maps table though

it is no longer necessary, it is necessary that the cards give points and if you passed it on another server, my time was shown

the finishes you make on your server, won't show up on ddnet servers, that's not allowed

12:34

the other way around is possible, if you keep syncing your database to ours

I mean, I can't make sure that the players get points?

You can have your own point system

that is, players will be able to receive points on my server

It won't be related to ddnet points though

you will have to make a block

@louis did ya See that one ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8502

new lock indicator by BlaiZephyr · Pull Request #8502 · ddnet/ddnet

design by catseyenebulous partially closes #8467 if the shadow's are unwanted - he also made one without: Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change...

sorry my (edited)

meloƞ

@louis did ya See that one ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8502

Is this meant to be in #developer

No - its Not Dev related But related to a small discussion about the Designs

ah

12:38

Fair enough then

and then how do people make their servers marked with DDRace:?

12:40

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12:41

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Afaik we pick hosters for us ourselves, you're welcome to help fund servers through https://ddnet.org/funding/

You can't. Only official servers can be marked as DDrace

12:42

Otherwise you are against the rules

bigY

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This can be ddrace by putting sv_test_cmds 0 I think

https://youtu.be/6PGlntuEd0w?si=W47w_KanBtXqaFBU

анонимчик

ddnet duel с подписчиком, на лаки мультимап

#showroom

ScReeNy

This can be ddrace by putting sv_test_cmds 0 I think

oh real ❤️

bigY

Click to see attachment 🖼️

but this image not chenge (edited)

You can't change it yourself

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Can I ask what you are trying to run a server for?

ScReeNy

Can I ask what you are trying to run a server for?

I love making servers, I have an anarchy server in minecraft

Oh I see:)

12:49

Anarchy DDnet server incoming

oh, real

Please not xd

I can do

ScReeNy

Please not xd

ok i make server maps, but server don't give points (edited)

You need a database to save the finishes somewhere

12:51

You don't need to buy anything just run it on the same system where the server is running

ScReeNy

You don't need to buy anything just run it on the same system where the server is running

just put the files there?

who can give me custom sounds ddnet

12:56

?

The files are just a data backup. You need a software to run the database. I think you said you are on debian, so you could try this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mariadb-on-debian-11

How To Install MariaDB on Debian 11 | DigitalOcean

MariaDB is an open-source database management system, commonly used for the MySQL portion of the popular LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl) stack. …

12:58

But if you are on your local PC sqlite probably is easier for this

oh

ScReeNy

The files are just a data backup. You need a software to run the database. I think you said you are on debian, so you could try this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mariadb-on-debian-11

debian?

12:59

linux version?

bigY

server started on Ubuntu, Linux

this

a

12:59

web site

13:00

dosnt work

Geoblocked maybe

13:02

Gotta work, good luck

шизофренfк

who can give me custom sounds ddnet

i can

13:20

in 10min

Tsumugi

i can

Where are the sounds located

13:32

To not bother later if I decide to change something some time soon

DDNet/data/audio

This command was not found.

oop

wdym oop

13:39

who deleted

13:39

hollande

You're asking the wrong person (edited)

pepe_ew92

justatest

sup chat

14:11

14:12

keel

14:12

kool

what is the name of the map with minigames?

bigY

what is the name of the map with minigames?

this one ?

14:31

https://ddnet.org/maps/Game-32-City/

fikmesan city map?

14:31

Or volley ball?

volleyball is a singular minigame

14:32

i mean if you want all the possible minigames then: https://ddnet.org/releases/fun/

Woah I confused map name with mapper

14:34

Turns out Seagull City is by imp not being fikmesan

minigame

14:35

map

14:35

ninja

14:35

tam

14:36

train

14:36

who will jump on the grenade first

Watafek

chillerdragon

Watafek

no

Cammodude

this one ?

noo

14:38

who will jump on the grenade first

edgeduel ??

there are different tasks, well, like you can't look at the bottom and they give points there

oh okay

14:39

warioware

CHILLERDRAGON what would you do if i broke into your house

?????????

M e l o n

14:45

melon i eat you :3

bro what

bigY

I want points to be given for cards on my server

You probably mean maps (problem with translation from russian) and if I understand correctly you cant get points on private servers like your own

ye

I'm burzum fan's

why is chat dead

15:43

can i buy host DDnet?

16:04

triki?

💀Sans The Skeleton💀

why is chat dead

Is anything below 1 message per minute considered a dead chat?

murpi

What's the name of the skin?

i downloaded skin

16:24

now wat to do

Learath2

You just test maps, and if you are active enough in testing you'll become a trial tester, and if you are active enough in testing, you'll become a tester

Im playing tw a long long time, and i create a lot of map. Im not the best tester, but sure i have the same skill as the actual testers, but I'm still not a tester. AND HERE main question WHY. answer is ez. No new member policy. I wanna some times test when have mood. but i do it unofficial, for example last released map quon nobody know but if i didnt help this map never release just look at how it was and how it is, you can download the old map from the test log. By the way, if anyone thinks there is a "practice test" role, there are big problems here too, but I like the idea. I have many more great ideas that would definitely help ddnet, especially with card releases and newbies, but there's no point in talking about it while there are problems recruiting new testers. https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1254868495171321856 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1254867817904472124

triki was a trial tester earlier, why he was demoted? He gives good feedback, he suggests how to improve maps, this guy 100% deserves the role.

keep in mind a test lead doesnt exist anymore - the current test team decides together - so if someone is not beeing invited to be a tester / people get demoted it should be a democratic decision

16:46

also maybe he just stepped down from the role

triki

Im playing tw a long long time, and i create a lot of map. Im not the best tester, but sure i have the same skill as the actual testers, but I'm still not a tester. AND HERE main question WHY. answer is ez. No new member policy. I wanna some times test when have mood. but i do it unofficial, for example last released map quon nobody know but if i didnt help this map never release just look at how it was and how it is, you can download the old map from the test log. By the way, if anyone thinks there is a "practice test" role, there are big problems here too, but I like the idea. I have many more great ideas that would definitely help ddnet, especially with card releases and newbies, but there's no point in talking about it while there are problems recruiting new testers. https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1254868495171321856 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/1254867817904472124

where do i find people for map?

16:51

to beat it

Noname

where do i find people for map?

ill do it

𝓦.𝓓.𝓖𝓐𝓢𝓣𝓔𝓡

ill do it

you here? sorry i didnt heard discord sound

yes im here

Noname

where do i find people for map?

mapping u mean?

triki

mapping u mean?

for completing it

yea ill do it

Noname

for completing it

on servers?

which one

triki

on servers?

yeah

𝓦.𝓓.𝓖𝓐𝓢𝓣𝓔𝓡

which one

spirit

sure

17:52

but just giving a heads up i just played the kobra games

𝓦.𝓓.𝓖𝓐𝓢𝓣𝓔𝓡

but just giving a heads up i just played the kobra games

k 1 sec i will create spirit

17:53

created join

k

17:54

sooo

17:55

im gonna be honest i dont know how to join a persons server

17:55

k found it

sup father

𝓦.𝓓.𝓖𝓐𝓢𝓣𝓔𝓡

but just giving a heads up i just played the kobra games

sorry for your loss

troll

1

guys

19:45

im into bbc f

Learath2

Here is your chance to make a difference. How would you draw the line? Can everything be fixed by the mapper and testers whenever?

I don't think the rule has to be adjusted in its wording but you guys have to stop holding onto the way it's phrased so badly. Things that should be valued in addition to the phrasing should be: 1. The purpose of the rule 2. The reason why the rule has come into effect (Adorenarine incident in this case) 3. The "admin's discretion" that was also embedded into the same rule and totally puts the admins in charge as it's basically up to them how to handle each case so the rule itself is just kind of invalidating itself Additionally the handling of the rule in the past is so insanely unclear that it is just kind of a joke. Bit 3 skip is apparently just completely untouchable because of the rule. Meanwhile Hostile 3 was allowed to be fixed if certain criteria was met (agreement of players who finished it the "legit" way while the ones who skipped apparently didn't need to be asked which basically already implies that their way was "illegal" even though the rule doesn't say so). Basically everyone does whatever one wants with the rule right now. At least that's how it seems and it's just kind of funny at this point xDD

Freezy

I don't think the rule has to be adjusted in its wording but you guys have to stop holding onto the way it's phrased so badly. Things that should be valued in addition to the phrasing should be: 1. The purpose of the rule 2. The reason why the rule has come into effect (Adorenarine incident in this case) 3. The "admin's discretion" that was also embedded into the same rule and totally puts the admins in charge as it's basically up to them how to handle each case so the rule itself is just kind of invalidating itself Additionally the handling of the rule in the past is so insanely unclear that it is just kind of a joke. Bit 3 skip is apparently just completely untouchable because of the rule. Meanwhile Hostile 3 was allowed to be fixed if certain criteria was met (agreement of players who finished it the "legit" way while the ones who skipped apparently didn't need to be asked which basically already implies that their way was "illegal" even though the rule doesn't say so). Basically everyone does whatever one wants with the rule right now. At least that's how it seems and it's just kind of funny at this point xDD

h3 wasnt allowed to be fixed

<BµmM>

h3 wasnt allowed to be fixed

Testing team said it was going to and admins then told otherwise or something like that, it was all weird

I want to mention that any rule for mapping/testing is the decision of the testers in the end, so i the discussion about strict clear rules is a big one

21:50

I mean in the end the testers can do whatever they want

Balami

I want to mention that any rule for mapping/testing is the decision of the testers in the end, so i the discussion about strict clear rules is a big one

but this has nothing to do with h3

<BµmM>

but this has nothing to do with h3

yeah i want to mention that ddnet shouldnt have double standards (testers can do whatever they want but when admins do stuff, they get criticised) (edited)

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