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<ChillerDragon> The more i think about the protocol the more i think that control messages should be removed

03:51

<ChillerDragon> Imo they should just become system messages and have a proper chunk header

03:51

<ChillerDragon> them being their own type adds so much complexity with almost no benefit?

03:52

<ChillerDragon> It saves 2-3 bytes on a chunk header sure.. but who cares about 2-3 bytes in the control messages

03:52

<ChillerDragon> The control flag could be removed from the packet header

03:53

<ChillerDragon> The entire payload parsing of a packet will be way cleaner because the structure is always the same

03:54

<ChillerDragon> If their chunk header would set the system flag and not the vital flag they would behave in the exact same way as before

yay new isp isnt behind cgnat

07:10

i can now self host some stuff

awesome

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ there are ego shooters on mobile. Thast a aim game isnt it?

but 2d

07:40

or do u click on screen in 3d and it aims where u clicked lmao

sounds terrible any way without a joystick tbh

<ChillerDragon> watafak is 3d aim

07:51

<ChillerDragon> im mouse enjoyer i dont get it

3d game

07:51

trollerdragon

<ChillerDragon> world is flat

07:52

<ChillerDragon> screen is flat

flatland

<ChillerDragon> mousepad is flat

07:52

<ChillerDragon> flat aim

now that u say it

07:52

everything is a plane

07:52

lol

07:52

plain

07:52

i am so genius

07:53

chatgpt can go home

<ChillerDragon> there is no 3d on a 2d screen

true

07:53

except u have nintendo 3ds

<ChillerDragon> xxxxxxxxxxxxxD

07:54

<ChillerDragon> so how can controllers aim 3d?

i am just waiting for headshot to post 3ds version

07:54

with 3d effects xD

<ChillerDragon> joysticks*

07:54

<ChillerDragon> isnt it the same as a mouse?

gn ddney

totally the same

time to sleep

<ChillerDragon> or the same as a joystick on a 2d phone screen?

07:54

<ChillerDragon> there are 3d ego shooter with aim on da phone

@Ewan good night

07:55

chiller: question is about joystick vs directly clicking where u aim

07:55

the second doesnt really work in 3d games

<ChillerDragon> because your mouse is stuck in the center?

07:56

<ChillerDragon> funny stuff happens if you play csgo with a laptop that has a touch screen xd

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> because your mouse is stuck in the center?

yea also how the fuck would u flip with just clicking on screen xD

07:57

do u click multiple times?

07:57

click 5 times for 360° flip xd

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> funny stuff happens if you play csgo with a laptop that has a touch screen xd

u got experience with csgo & touch? XD

07:57

sounds funny

<ChillerDragon> 2mins 2yrs ago

07:58

<ChillerDragon> im basically an expert

that qualifies you as the world bests csgo touch player

<ChillerDragon> the conversation is about ddnet mobile controls right?

i mean - i can see it work if you just map mobile controls to the game with an overlay of some sorts

07:59

imagine getting 15 / 0'd by someone with a touchscreen taking a dumpy on the toilet with his laptop

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> the conversation is about ddnet mobile controls right?

sometimes

<ChillerDragon> bottom left should be a fire and hook button. bottom right should be a aim joystick. And walking left and right is ofc tilting the phone.

but mostly it's about csgo touch controls

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> screen is flat

CRD can't say so

flat joke

<ChillerDragon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaYkIB0AYGM

PUBG MOBILE HOROBOS GAMING HANDCAM 5 FINGER CLAW

08:03

<ChillerDragon> just put buttons everywhere

08:03

<ChillerDragon> ddnet mobile gamers have 5 arms

he aint doing flicks

Jupstar ✪

flat joke

Flat humor

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaYkIB0AYGM

Ayo a crab

anyway that looks like drag controlls

08:08

that would a third option xd

08:08

not direct click nor joystick, but dragging your cursor xddd

08:08

would probs suck hard

<ChillerDragon> ye drag works better in 3d

08:09

<ChillerDragon> i think

it works when ur cursor is always the mid

08:09

like in free spec

<ChillerDragon> the og android release has click aim?

we are still discussing about that, but yeah robyte wants to add huge cheats

08:10

xd

08:10

this botter

08:10

osu! ddnet edition

08:10

fng

<ChillerDragon> the old one

08:10

<ChillerDragon> does it have aim to click?

i dont even know, but i think yes

08:10

it has both

<ChillerDragon> both woah

08:11

<ChillerDragon> that explains why i get banned less on fng when spoofing the client version of the android version

forgottencat already told me that noby just bans

<ChillerDragon> cant antibot with touch flicks axaxa

08:12

<ChillerDragon> that would be an argument against it

banhammer

<ChillerDragon> makes antibot harder

yeah but we, the majority, oppress the minority of mobile players and just ban them

08:13

do you want to fight for their rights?

<ChillerDragon> I don't agree with them or understand them. But I still would fight for their rights yes!

08:14

<ChillerDragon> Same as windows or 0.6 players

lmao

08:14

0.6 players

<ChillerDragon> In the end we are all tees!

classic chiller

<ChillerDragon> headbot setup reveal

08:50

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1719046155.png

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wtf

10:03

since when do wii fit boards have a screen

https://x.com/debasishg/status/1804396943457566998?t=5itB28P8tb9LqNLZ09b4xQ&s=19

Debasish (দেবাশিস্) Ghosh

(@debasishg) on X

Linux recently improved their page fault handling replacing Linked Lists and Red Black trees with a new data structure that offers better cache friendliness. This talk has some pointers to why linked lists fail on modern CPUs and what it takes to make a cache friendly data

Ryozuki

https://x.com/debasishg/status/1804396943457566998?t=5itB28P8tb9LqNLZ09b4xQ&s=19

and what is that new data structure

11:07

lmao

mapple trees

11:07

https://docs.kernel.org/core-api/maple_tree.html

epyc

They don’t xd

Replying to @louis since when do wii fit boards have a screen

11:15

MAPLE MAPLE MAPLE MAPLE

11:15

anyone remembers the epic maple clan?

i remember that speedrunning bro of gdin being maple

chillerdragon

anyone remembers the epic maple clan?

ye

og fokkonaut

11:31

@Ryozuki: https://youtu.be/BsK9f7AZiFs (edited)

mid

Making a good amv is lost knowledge

<ChillerDragon> how can we help?

Learath2

Making a good amv is lost knowledge

oh bruh

14:34

you just made me remember I made one in middle school with windows movie maker

14:34

i didn't know it was called amv

Is this my end or server end?

Image attachment

client

15:24

well let's say it like that: it looks like a bug in the client

15:25

unsupported should never happen, which client is that?

18.0.1

Draggory

18.0.1

mh ok, guess u have to manually update then

Gotcha

@ChillerDragon, can I merge my twapi stuff into your teeworlds-go repo?

15:54

(a little bit of the stuff)

I can not believe after a decade since apple yoinked .local for their mDNS, the IETF still hasn't designated a TLD for internal use

17:52

After 4 months of public input, ICANN determined .internal can work, then they said "we'll present it to the ICANN board for futher consideration" then radio silence

17:52

Where were the considerations and months of approval processes when Apple yoinked .local?

.localhost is traditionally statically defined in host dns imlementations to pointing to loop back ip addresses, no?

18:01

so you can even use it for my.localhost, another.service.localhost

I need one that doesn't point back to 127.0.0.1

What do you want to achieve?

I want to give names to hosts within a vpn network

18:03

I'll just use .internal it's fine, I'm just surprised at how easy it was for a corporation to repurpose a previously designated private use tld and how difficult it was for us to get an alternative

Basically you can get any TLD

18:04

You just need to host your own DNS then & use it

18:04

like service.learath2

With a caveat, you need to be careful to always only use your own DNS

Yeah, so remove all root certificates from your browser & only use your own PKI

It's unlikely ICANN will register the .learath2 tld to someone, but if they do and you are not careful with your setup now someone else has control of your dns (edited)

Learath2

It's unlikely ICANN will register the .learath2 tld to someone, but if they do and you are not careful with your setup now someone else has control of your dns (edited)

No, you host your own DNS server

18:06

how should they take over this dns server?

Accidents happen, perhaps your server also needs access to traditional dns, so you set up your dns server to resolve those aswell

Learath2

Accidents happen, perhaps your server also needs access to traditional dns, so you set up your dns server to resolve those aswell

But if you own a TLD ( top-level domain ) like .learath2, then nobody can get it

18:07

Mostly DNS servers can resolve if they dont find any .zone on their own host

Avolicious

But if you own a TLD ( top-level domain ) like .learath2, then nobody can get it

You don't own it unless ICANN says you own it

No

18:07

If you want to have it in "public" internet, thats true

18:07

but not for DMZ

As I said at the very start, if you are careful with your setup, it's fine

You are talking about DMZ

18:08

VPN

Did you know that devices don't have to be exclusively on one network?

Thats actually how the internet works

I have a set of servers that has access to the public internet, and a private network between them

Okay, if you know have a DNS server available in your DMZ & you are using it within all the hosts

18:09

it will resolve the stuff you have configured on the dns server

and your DNS server is properly configured to ignore the case of ICANN giving your tld to someone else

???

18:10

If you own the DNS server, you can resolve it to whatever you want to

18:10

You can resolve google.com to 1.1.1.1

How do you propose I resolve .com domains with my local dns server?

18:11

You forward it along to an actual dns server that is authoritative for those

You can be an authoritive DNS?

Ok, we are getting nowhere. I know what I'm doing and I know how dns works. You are right, you can set it up in a way that is safe and just take whatever tld you want

18:14

(in a similar way to how you can by using routing tables steal any ip you want, yet we still have private-use subnets, exactly for the same reason we need a private-use tld)

18:17

((less important because tlds are strings with many more possibilities than the 4 bytes an ip address is))

I just want to clarify. Just because you use a DNS server, you dont have to trust the results it gives back. Authoritive or Recursive. To face this problem, DNSSEC has been introduced for example.

18:18

You and me heavily trust our upstream aka ISP, that he routes the packages correctly to its destination. DNS Hijacking or even BGP hijacking is a known threat

18:20

So thats why I am saying, if you run it in your own DMZ, you can use whatever you want to use. But it will be hard for you to announce it to the broad public. The root zone . is owned by ICANN, so they delegate learath2. to you as TLD, so you can use hey.learath2. as domain

I understand, but now consider situation where a machine has to resolve both traditional internet domains and domains within my own intranet. Then ICANN comes along and registers learath2. to you. Now if I'm not careful with my configuration, (whether it be the configuration of my dns server, or the resolving clients), you can make hey.learath2. resolve to an IP outside my intranet, now I'm leaking traffic to wherever you want

18:23

(Ignore for a second that ICANN has no reason to sabotage me by registering the extremely specific string learath2 to anyone else)

Learath2

I understand, but now consider situation where a machine has to resolve both traditional internet domains and domains within my own intranet. Then ICANN comes along and registers learath2. to you. Now if I'm not careful with my configuration, (whether it be the configuration of my dns server, or the resolving clients), you can make hey.learath2. resolve to an IP outside my intranet, now I'm leaking traffic to wherever you want

There are several ways to proof that its actually you

18:25

Either you use DNSSEC and configurate clients to trust your root key for a specific domain

18:25

or you do it based on HTTPS for example

18:25

application level

Or I use a TLD that ICANN already agreed that they won't ever register to anyone

.localhost

18:27

.localhost is always resolving to 127.0.0.1 until you change it in your local configuration

Assuming the dns client implementation and the layers inbetween even let that localhost. resolution reach my dns server, sure

18:29

RFC 6761 clearly says:

...Users may assume that IPv4 and IPv6 address queries for localhost names will always resolve to the respective IP loopback address.

and

Application software MAY recognize localhost names as special, or MAY pass them to name resolution APIs as they would for other domain names.

18:30

Actually point 3 of 6.3 explicitly says:

Name resolution APIs and libraries SHOULD recognize localhost names as special and SHOULD always return the IP loopback address for address queries and negative responses for all other query types. Name resolution APIs SHOULD NOT send queries for localhost names to their configured caching DNS server(s).

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6761#section-6.2

18:31

Then you can use .test

18:31

2. Application software SHOULD NOT recognize test names as special, and SHOULD use test names as they would other domain names.

18:32

You can try to resolve grafana.intra.kog.tw, I'll tell you there is no result even tho it has a valid dns entry

Avolicious

You can try to resolve grafana.intra.kog.tw, I'll tell you there is no result even tho it has a valid dns entry

Well this is something you are completely free to do, you are afterall the authority for kog.tw.

18:34

test. is pretty good, it just sounds wrong

Then go with example

18:35

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6761#section-6.5

18:35

https://www.iana.org/help/example-domains

Add TUR blocker pla guys (edited)

Avolicious

Then go with example

That sounds even worse, anyway, I don't mind using .internal as it should be official within a couple months

Avolicious

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6761#section-6.5

also kinda runs afoul of 6.5.1 anyway, they are reserved for use in documentation technically

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-416

Friday Facts #416 - Fluids 2.0 | Factorio

Hello, Grab your best lube, because it's time to talk about fluids!

Pls add tur blockers

Idk what that means. But feel free to open prs I will have a look. Can’t promise I will merge anything. If you want to copy paste my code into yours also feel free to do so. I think I have no license file yet. But code I write is usually public domain or bsd 2. So feel free to do what ever with it. Credit is appreciated but not needed.

Replying to @jxsl13 ChillerDragon, can I merge my twapi stuff into your teeworlds-go repo?

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8511 Suggestion: get rules from .rules files located in multiple directories

Hello, For a given tileset in the editor, the client seems to look for .rules files in the config directory first, and then in the game directory. So if there is a .rules file located in the config directory, it won't use the one located in the game directory (where the default .rules files are located). For example, I added a .rules file in my config directory (.local/share/ddnet/ on Linux) with custom rules for the tileset grass_main_0.7, but then I lost access (from the e...

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