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ws-client BOT 2024-06-02 02:20:02Z
<ChillerDragon> ok nice fixed my go lsp by installing it again i did a little wopsie of deleting go at some point so that probably broke it. I am suprised how good it worked with the broken lsp :D
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Ewan 2024-06-02 02:21:14Z
lsp 4 noobs
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real coders flip the bits on a hard drive platter with a magnetic stylus
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 03:23:10Z
Ye I nob
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 04:30:23Z
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5d5b002 A Scuba - ddnet-maps
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@MilkeeyCat is that true xd
MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 05:03:44Z
Wat
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 06:11:33Z
@Learath2 ping me
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Ryozuki 2024-06-02 06:14:48Z
morning
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Ryozuki 2024-06-02 06:31:40Z
https://84-24.org/
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The tale of restoring an ’80s timeless classic.
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StormX 2024-06-02 07:26:48Z
@Discord Mod who can ban one hacker
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i find hacker
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who can ban him?
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@Fussel ?
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StormX 2024-06-02 07:35:52Z
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 09:01:42Z
1. wrong channel - use #✉-create-a-ticket 2. dont ping discord mods for ingame moderation 3. dont ping mods directly 4. why did you choose #developer ? :D
09:02
also - good morning
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meloƞ
1. wrong channel - use #✉-create-a-ticket 2. dont ping discord mods for ingame moderation 3. dont ping mods directly 4. why did you choose #developer ? :D
Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 09:05:26Z
tickets are currently broken
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 09:05:33Z
a - gg
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 09:05:51Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
6f75087 Refactor goto_tele - ChillerDragon 257a0ba Store all tele types in vectors - ChillerDragon 6cfe54b Merge pull request #8338 from ChillerDragon/pr_goto_tele_refactor - Robyt3
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8338 Fix goto_tele not finding all teleporters
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[ddnet:master] 6 new commits
c4f68f5 Remove unnecessary object creation in emplace_front - ChillerDragon 0a505c2 Don't return from void methods - ChillerDragon 6450527 Remove redundant casts - ChillerDragon 59cb7ef Fix clang-analyzer-unix.StdCLibraryFunctions - ChillerDragon c1a5e59 Exclude enough checks to pass with clang tidy 19 - ChillerDragon bbf54ec Merge pull request #8318 from ChillerDragon/pr_clang_tidy_19 - Robyt3
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8318 Add support for clang tidy 19
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 09:11:03Z
oh mah gawd chiller gets his PR's merged
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POGGIES
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 09:11:51Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8432 Refactor Server Input Handling
The motivation for this PR is to make the server side input code easier to understand, and improve the way the input buffer for each client is handled.

First change:

This PR should allow clients to send their input messages in any order and target any position in the input buffer which will allow for further improvements to packet loss protection in the client later. Additionally unrelated to this PR if #8372 is merged and client input re-sending is implementing it would in th...
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 09:13:18Z
So many issues and PRs going on!
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 10:04:07Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8433 Fix truncated scoreboard recording notification, refactoring
With some languages the buffers for the scoreboard recording notification were not large enough when recording all 4 types of demos at the same time. Reduce duplicate code. Avoid unnecessary, slow str_format for concatenation. Use UI functions for drawing the background and text. Screenshots:
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 10:40:40Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8434 Two meanings of the word "Name"

Yet another problem I found during my remake of Ukrainian translation

In Slavic languages, "name" can be translated in two ways: as a first/given name (Andrew, Alex, Anthony etc.) and as a proper noun (DDNet, DDrace etc.), and because the string Name is used both in Server Browser, where it stands for "Server name", and everywhere else (Scoreboard, Ghost tab, Settings etc.), this creates a problem. ## If you translate the word "name" as a proper noun (for example, in Ukrainian it's...
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 10:43:12Z
Three left to report, and two of them are nitpicks (edited)
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 11:01:42Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8435 Consistently use … instead of ... in translations

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  • [X] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 11:14:57Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8436 "DDNet" tab is translatable

While I was remaking Ukrainian translation, I found that you can translate DDNet settings tab name

!DDNet

And... well...

!DDNetTab (No, I won't add this to my translation, don't worry about that)

Robyt3 on Discord also suggested this:

It's not just the "DDNet" string itself, a bunch of other strings ...
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 11:15:19Z
Well, I wanted to say that I have two left, but now I have one left
Replying to @GitHub GitHub: > Robyt3 […]
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Although, the semicolons... yeah...
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 11:32:58Z
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
9492ca5 Add confetti particles on finish - l-ouis bcc7412 Merge pull request #8406 from l-ouis/master - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8406 Add confetti particles on finish
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EGYT5453
[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8437 Semicolon nitpick
That's rather a nitpick, but some strings have : in them (for example, Position:), while some get it ingame (for example, Refresh Rate) !nitpick2
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
4e552d0 Add /practicecmdlist - furo321 da0df30 Merge pull request #8356 from furo321/split-practice-commands - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8356 Add /practicecmdlist
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8430 Fix language file being loaded twice when starting, improve error handling for invalid translation files
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
f762e23 Fix language file being loaded twice when starting - Robyt3 94325cd Improve error handling for invalid translation files - Robyt3 3ba9fee Merge pull request #8430 from Robyt3/Localization-Fixes - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8438 Some demo errors are untranslatable
For now I only found two errors that are not translatable: !Empty demo (There is also an "Ok" button that is also not translatable) !Error reading demo header
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 11:43:42Z
So, I'm done with nitpicking
11:45
Back to translating...
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 11:46:01Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8435 Consistently use … instead of ... in translations
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
37abc90 Consistently use … instead of ... in translations - Robyt3 9986eaf Merge pull request #8435 from Robyt3/Translations-Ellipsis-Consistency - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8433 Fix truncated scoreboard recording notification, refactoring
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
cc7d6c3 Fix truncated scoreboard recording notification, refactoring - Robyt3 19b704d Merge pull request #8433 from Robyt3/Scoreboard-Recording-Notification-Refactoring - def-
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 11:52:18Z
Crazy stuff
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MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 12:19:11Z
is there a name for an action when compiler takes int literals for example and tries to find a type which can hold both. Example, -5 + 5 so if you look at them separately it would be i8 and u8, but when you try to add them the common type would be i8
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:29:37Z
Confetti being merged in under a week is slightly unsettling
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MilkeeyCat
is there a name for an action when compiler takes int literals for example and tries to find a type which can hold both. Example, -5 + 5 so if you look at them separately it would be i8 and u8, but when you try to add them the common type would be i8
meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:29:50Z
Integer Promotions ?
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MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 12:30:35Z
idk if that's it but ill call it like that :YEP:
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:31:35Z
justatest
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:32:02Z
In the meantime I am waiting for a response in the colored broadcast pr since a month @heinrich5991
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:32:10Z
kek
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In the meantime I am waiting for a response in the colored broadcast pr since a month @heinrich5991
MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 12:32:44Z
but it's more fun than when it gets merged in a few days, amirite
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:32:48Z
And spent a hour today again solving bugs caused by merges in the 0.7 pr which is also waiting for reviews since months
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Stale prs seriously bother me
Replying to @MilkeeyCat but it's more fun than when it gets merged in a few days, amirite
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:33:29Z
but you just got 2 merged didnt you? :P
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:33:52Z
Ye the boring ones
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:33:58Z
kek
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:33:59Z
And they all took way longer than 5 days
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27 days to fix clang spamming warnings
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Vs 5 days of adding a new confetti net message
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MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 12:36:15Z
go to #✉-create-a-ticket and complain why ur prs take so long to merge justatest
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:37:20Z
when bridge create a ticket
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MilkeeyCat
is there a name for an action when compiler takes int literals for example and tries to find a type which can hold both. Example, -5 + 5 so if you look at them separately it would be i8 and u8, but when you try to add them the common type would be i8
Learath2 2024-06-02 12:39:46Z
C calls them the "usual arithmetic conversions"
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:40:18Z
I understand stuff takes time and nobody gets paid here. And if one would ask me to check some pr it might take 2 years or more. But then there seems to be some priority of prs that get reviews faster that I don’t understand which annoys me. I always make time to respond to feedback within 24 hours just to get ghosted for weeks again.
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Learath2 2024-06-02 12:41:05Z
The trick to getting faster reviews is not working on controversial stuff
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:41:28Z
How is colored broadcast that much more controversial than confetti?
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Or fixing clang warnings
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Learath2 2024-06-02 12:41:56Z
There is much more to chat about how colored broadcasts should be made and handled
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:43:22Z
1 month ghosted on the most controversial debug print xd
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Learath2 2024-06-02 12:43:49Z
You feel as if your prs get a higher level of scrutiny, which annoys you. That is understandable. But you also commonly port stuff from 0.7 which only one developer here really cares about
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That is imo what is increasing your average review times
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:44:22Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8341
Use amout of snow flakes as unfreeze time indicator by ChillerDrago...
Use amount of snow flakes on a frozen tee to indicate the seconds till unfreeze. Only used for 2 and 1 seconds. For longer freeze times, freeze tiles, hearts, deep freeze the old random animation i...
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I improved the usefulness of existing particles
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Highly controversial
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I don’t get it
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That’s also not 0.7 and Heinrich refuses to answer my questions here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8331
Editor: keyboard support for fonts (closed #3570) by ChillerDragon ...
Follow up to #3602 Press ctrl+t to enter text mode and place font letters based on keyboard presses. The user has to select the letter A and the number 1 manually once for every layer. The selectio...
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8341
Learath2 2024-06-02 12:47:17Z
8341 looks like it got reviewed. You just don't like the reviews
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:48:08Z
Yea but how is that controversial?
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And confetti isn’t?
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It’s way less intrusive
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:50:03Z
i think thats because confetti is a cosmetic and doesnt change anything gameplay wise, and "using amount of snow flakes as unfreeze time indicator" affects the visual timing of unfreeze (edited)
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:50:08Z
The original author of the snowflakes was too lazy to add a fading out. I fixed that. How is that controversial
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Yes. Before it was uselessly random now it is actually helpful.
Replying to @meloƞ i think thats because confetti is a cosmetic, and "using amount of snow …
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:51:40Z
how to spot a chillerdragon PR: 300 comments
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:52:09Z
I am thinking of implementing https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8358 but I don’t wanna maintain another stale pr.
Proof of concept for editor prompt by ChillerDragon · Pull Request ...
It works but I did not spend any time on polishing it yet. Would something like this be merged with the design decisions I made? If yes I can finish this up. When finished it would be a big diff an...
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Learath2 2024-06-02 12:52:16Z
Robyt3's review there sounds perfectly sensible to me. Random position, size and low contrast make this not very good UI/UX
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 12:52:32Z
oh wow the 0.7 client support has the most comments ever received on 5.2K PR's :o
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:52:43Z
It fits the style I wanted to make it less controversial by keeping it as is
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Surely we can make it a big snowflake at the same position every time. I would be in. But that’s not what would be merged either.
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When the snowflakes were introduced the fade out effect was forgotten or someone was too lazy to implement that. I would call my pr a non controversial quality improvement.
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When the snowflakes were introduced the fade out effect was forgotten or someone was too lazy to implement that. I would call my pr a non controversial quality improvement.
Robyt3 2024-06-02 12:55:21Z
Source? I'd rather consider that the author also didn't like the bad UI/UX of this
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 12:55:30Z
Yea I tend to be spammy. And I opened it with the first draft hoping to get a merge on the network code before I start working on all the features. But the review phase took 2 years so I just finished it all in the meantime
Replying to @meloƞ oh wow the 0.7 client support has the most comments ever received on 5.2…
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Idk who the author is. No hate. I just think that the snow flakes as particle who replaced damage indicators should also fade out. I don’t see how them fading out could be problematic in any way. So I assumed the snowflakes were unfinished.
Replying to @Robyt3 Source? I'd rather consider that the author also didn't like the bad UI/…
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Nobody disagreed with that in the issue I opened for it
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In 2 years
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Nobody of the maintainers* codedev did but he just says the freezebar covers it. Imagine me opening a pr back in the days removing the damage indicators and saying the armor covers it xd
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:03:16Z
Anyway, you are not getting extra scrutiny is my point. Your small prs get merged just as quickly as everyone elses. Then you drop a bomb like add 6k lines for 0.7 support on client. Of your open prs, 1 is a sweeping format change, 1 is a massive change that only 2 people want, 3 are changes we feel are not exactly the best way to do things but fixes your mods, 4 are drafts, 3 are ui changes that imo needs discussion, 2 to support 0.7
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:04:33Z
0.7 pr would be much smaller if it were partially merged as I requested it
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And I’m not saying all my prs should be merged in 5 days
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Just the ones that are comparable with something so critical as adding confetti
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:06:21Z
It's easy to merge confetti. That's why confetti is merged quickly. It's isolated. It looked fine. It's implemented properly
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Of all your open prs, I could only see 8307 and 8342 that are no brainers to merge
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:07:05Z
I don’t understand how confetti is easier than fading out an effect
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Robyt3 2024-06-02 13:07:15Z
#7588 also seems fine
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DDNet BOT 2024-06-02 13:07:15Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7588
Stop demo when gameworld is reset by ChillerDragon · Pull Request #...
This does not fix any issues in ddnet as far as I know. Because ddnet code removed all round based code. Currently the per tee demos are only stopped when a character dies. But the Reset() method i...
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:07:48Z
How can fading out an animation be problematic
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Robyt3 2024-06-02 13:08:57Z
It's not that's you are fading out the snowflakes, it that you try to add meaning to it in a way that's bad UI/UX design.
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:09:14Z
Worse than not trying at all?
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Worse than not trying at all?
Robyt3 2024-06-02 13:11:22Z
I like the other idea better so I don't see a reason to go halfway on a design I consider bad.
> A top to bottom melting ice cube would be much nicer in my opinion. Something that is integrated into the game world should not be a hud element but fit the environment. That's a cool idea. I would generally support such a design. For the last 3-5 seconds there could also be a special shaking animation to indicate exact seconds and/or an "ice-cracking" sound effect every second. I suppose that could satisfy those who want the exact one second visual/acoustic timing that the freeze stars gave them (#6028).
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DDNet BOT 2024-06-02 13:11:23Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6028
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 13:11:25Z
i think we in general need a better timing indicator, once used to the freeze-bar made timing easier for me personally - but something like this: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6028#issuecomment-1412890901 seems much better than ticking down the amount of stars, making them hardly visible (edited)
Show freeze stars instead of bar in DDRace servers · Issue #6028 · ...
Edit correct: show freeze stars instead of bar (without the old shield + heart HUD). Can the health and ammo HUD return to DDRace servers (similar to v16.1)? The freeze duration shield countdown fe...
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i think we in general need a better timing indicator, once used to the freeze-bar made timing easier for me personally - but something like this: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6028#issuecomment-1412890901 seems much better than ticking down the amount of stars, making them hardly visible (edited)
Learath2 2024-06-02 13:13:17Z
As I said in this PR I'm open to getting something in which reintroduces the damage indictator style particles. In a proper way, using a freeze flake instead
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Iza 2024-06-02 13:13:46Z
what if the freeze bar was blinking in intervals of a second?
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:13:48Z
By proper way, I mean no hacking around with server commands
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:14:10Z
Well I’m not opening another big pr again for ice cubes. And I still think the bad ux is better than no ux and it also looks nicer if it fades out,
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what if the freeze bar was blinking in intervals of a second?
meloƞ 2024-06-02 13:14:37Z
i am against that
heinrich5991: Perhaps it would help to make the bar flash on each whole second? Charin: Please don't. However, adding some marks in the freeze bar may help?
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:15:11Z
Ice cubes are very hard to do
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Iza 2024-06-02 13:15:13Z
idk the stars were doing something similair so i dont see how you wouldn't want that
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:15:20Z
How is reusing the death effect for a finish animation good design. If fading out isn’t xd
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Yes
Replying to @Learath2 Ice cubes are very hard to do
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So it won’t happen
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:16:11Z
Just the fading out would have been merged in 10 minutes
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:16:32Z
It’s what I did no?
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 13:16:34Z
maybe the thing actually keeping your PR from beeing merged is the way you named it kek (this is meant as a joke and i dont mean any harm) (edited)
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:20:16Z
So what did I do wrong then?
Replying to @Learath2 Just the fading out would have been merged in 10 minutes
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I faded them out
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:20:51Z
That's not fading out. You are decreasing their amount and adding meaning to them
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Actually I'll tag myself out of this discussion because it's giving me a headache. Merge it, don't merge it, idk. I think it's useless at the thing you intend them for. Someone should still look into bringing back a clear indicator of pace
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:26:11Z
I would consider decreasing amount fading out. But ok sure let’s end the discussion I’m tired. I just wanted to say that I am a bit upset and the open prs make me feel bad and that’s why I would like to avoid opening new ones.
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:27:00Z
If there are any prs that you haven't received feedback for. I'd be more than happy to look them over
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:27:22Z
Robsti reviews everything
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He is so nice and he also looks into the big ones and never creates stale prs
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Ryozuki 2024-06-02 13:27:52Z
denying prs is hard but should be done to avoid steering projects into a wrong way
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justatest
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:28:25Z
I would prefer denial over stale to death
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:28:48Z
I'm starting to appreciate why oy was doing "wontfix" and just closing prs left and right
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:29:08Z
It’s clear
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Lerato you could review my 0.7 pr hehe
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Robyt3 2024-06-02 13:29:52Z
Can you rebase 7588 ? Seems fine to merge it
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Learath2 2024-06-02 13:30:16Z
You don't want me reviewing anything with 0.7 in it
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 13:30:57Z
This pr should have been closed weeks ago together with the corresponding issue https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8307
Replying to @Learath2 I'm starting to appreciate why oy was doing "wontfix" and just closing p…
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 13:33:15Z
i am the worst maintainer
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@Learath2 when ping
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@Learath2 when ping
Learath2 2024-06-02 13:34:27Z
Mh, can we do this some other day? I have to go out and meet someon, then idk when I'll get back home
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 13:34:45Z
Yes but that other day i finished the stuff anyway
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i am at a speedrun
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lerizan 2024-06-02 13:40:01Z
Chill
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 13:42:15Z
I invented chill
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fokkonaut
@Robyt3 I used git bisect to find the source of this issue, it's this commit: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/507b097ad82573f2ab975ce96ecaccd42551c53d
fokkonaut 2024-06-02 13:57:15Z
@Robyt3 this actually causes ddnet client being unable to join many servers
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as it seems
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fokkonaut
@Robyt3 this actually causes ddnet client being unable to join many servers
Robyt3 2024-06-02 14:15:19Z
If those servers also don't send CNetMsg_Sv_ReadyToEnter then they'll have to fix that on their side, otherwise this will also cause other issues on the client-side if this message is missing
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fokkonaut 2024-06-02 14:16:02Z
This is de-facto breaking backwards compatibility, since many servers 1. don't know about this and 2. not every source is open probably
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:17:03Z
do you know what mods are broken? I'd think servers that have stuff like theme changes is very rare
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fokkonaut 2024-06-02 14:17:05Z
i've just seen people report they cant connect to specific servers and/or map mismatches and i've had that myself a few times
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i think more niche mods, like mmotee
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louis 2024-06-02 14:33:34Z
i have a newbie question about game networking in general, if anyone has insights: if i have a pve scenario where untrustworthy clients aren't too much of a problem, would predicting client positions ahead of time server-side and doing calculations with predicted position make sense? (and later on adding some sort of anticheat for fishy inputs) -- I want the client to have as smooth of an experience as possible without too much compromise
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 14:35:58Z
Yea if hacking is not a problem go with the Minecraft approach. It feels blazingly smooth with basically no internet connectivity required.
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:36:40Z
if you trust the client, run the simulation on the client, then sync the results to the server, it'll be butter smooth
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 14:37:24Z
Let the client do all game logic locally and then just inform the server of the new state on a „trust me bro“ basis. It will be lag free and simple. But when you then want to avoid people using teleportation and speed hacks you will get a bit of a messy situation.
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:37:25Z
The only issue is if there are multiple players you'll need to figure out a way for the server to resolve conflicts
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e.g. client A shoots monster, kills it, client B on their screen shoots same monster, kills it, who killed the monster?
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louis 2024-06-02 14:39:33Z
it is multiple players -- also a bit confused on whether i need to predict enemy ai on clientside or not (if enemy A with deterministic AI shoots a bullet at player B, should player A predict the bullet being shot), since i need to do all collision calculation server side
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 14:40:20Z
If you trust your players don’t collision calculate server side hehe
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It’s like paint ball. Rely on players saying „hit“
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louis 2024-06-02 14:41:02Z
xd well i want to trust player's movement + location since that has less chot potential than just ignoring anytime they get hit
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 14:41:37Z
Are untrustworthy clients a problem now or not? Xd
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louis 2024-06-02 14:42:17Z
i guess i wasnt clear, i want to trust them half only on the things that aren't super chot worthy
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not sure if that makes sense
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chillerdragon BOT 2024-06-02 14:42:48Z
So teleportation is not bad?
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louis 2024-06-02 14:43:02Z
it is, but i could solve that with anticheat
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:43:14Z
Mh, this is not an easy problem when the source of truth is different for different properties of an entity
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but anyway, I would first not predict anything, establish who is authoritative on what and how state gets propagated and conflicts resolved
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After that you add in prediction where things are not smooth. Ai shots depend on the game but I'd think wouldn't need much prediction if your projectiles are fast and the server is authoritative on projectiles
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louis 2024-06-02 14:46:43Z
ye i guess ill have to go from simple to more complex
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it's a bullet hell so character position + bullet position needs to be close to truth as possible client-side
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:47:14Z
On your first question, idk, it depends again on how you want it to feel. If you predict on the server, but the client has stopped on their own screen and get shot, it'll feel wrong
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louis 2024-06-02 14:48:19Z
for that problem i was thinking to just undo the previous tick's collisions if client input changes and server has to predict a position in the opposite direction
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:48:43Z
What if client input arrives too late?
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louis 2024-06-02 14:49:20Z
yep that's a problem too, i guess just predict for however many ticks late it is, if a client is consistently late maybe flag it thru the anticheat somehow
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but then the client and server could desync as well if it's too late / something got dropped
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in that case maybe the server can just force the client position to its predicted position and client corrects itself? shouldn't be a problem except for laggy players
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Learath2 2024-06-02 14:51:48Z
Why do you want to predict the client position on the server?
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louis 2024-06-02 14:52:40Z
i want the relative player-enemy-bullet layout on the client to match the relative player-enemy-bullet layout on the server
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so i believe the server would either have to keep track of the previous x ticks of each bullet and calculate collision based on each player's ping or predict each player's movements x ticks in advanced with ground truth bullet position
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Learath2 2024-06-02 15:03:43Z
Ah, I think I get it, that does sound sensible. The server is technically behind the clients, it has not received all the inputs necessary to know what will happen this tick. So it can instead do it's thing on a predicted state, then you can retroactively fix up any mistakes the prediction made.
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Learath2 2024-06-02 15:11:22Z
I don't think I'd bother though, just have the server run behind and have the client predict, retroactively fixing game state is expensive
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texnonik 2024-06-02 15:13:24Z
idea for moderator in game force swap with blocker and then banning that person , to save tees that he blocked .
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Teero 2024-06-02 15:19:31Z
how is the server config for allowing cheated ranks (with rcon) called? xd (edited)
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Ryozuki 2024-06-02 15:27:22Z
https://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2024/06/02/the-borrow-checker-within/
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@Learath2 pls read this when u can
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nice article
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 17:32:10Z
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
05d97ca Stop demo when gameworld is reset - ChillerDragon 64f4ea1 Merge pull request #7588 from ChillerDragon/pr_stop_demo_on_reset - Robyt3
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #7588 Stop demo when gameworld is reset
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archimede67 2024-06-02 18:03:16Z
@murpi is it intended that we don't see who declines map with the new application commands ?
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murpi 2024-06-02 18:09:26Z
Ideally the decline reason should be written by the Tester who declined the map
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Teero
how is the server config for allowing cheated ranks (with rcon) called? xd (edited)
Tater 2024-06-02 18:29:31Z
It doesn't exist afaik
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 18:41:37Z
So, now I need to replace ... with … now...
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 18:42:01Z
in your translation yes - roby did it for existing
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egyt
So, now I need to replace ... with … now...
MilkeeyCat 2024-06-02 18:43:41Z
you mean now…
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 18:48:14Z
Yet another reminder: I am remaking Ukrainian translation, and haven't pushed the changes yet (edited)
Replying to @MilkeeyCat you mean now…
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Now I have 29 untranslated strings and 15 strings with translation I am not 100% sure about, totaling in 44 strings
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So, the progress is 92.5~95%... crazy stuff, ain't it?
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Okay, now that I joined an fng server I got some more "unsure" strings XD
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Text does not fit 😭
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:15:04Z
It's good that I checked it, though!
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Or you would have gotten a bad translation for non-DDrace 😅 (edited)
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:24:10Z
Had to shorten "<color> team" to just "<color plural adjective>" (it makes sense!) and "Switch to <color plural adjective>" to just "To <color plural adjective>" (it kinda makes sense..!)
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MilkeeyCat
is there a name for an action when compiler takes int literals for example and tries to find a type which can hold both. Example, -5 + 5 so if you look at them separately it would be i8 and u8, but when you try to add them the common type would be i8
heinrich5991 2024-06-02 19:32:56Z
type inference
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egyt
Had to shorten "<color> team" to just "<color plural adjective>" (it makes sense!) and "Switch to <color plural adjective>" to just "To <color plural adjective>" (it kinda makes sense..!)
zhn 2024-06-02 19:34:40Z
oh you should definitely check both previous ukranian (on 0.7) and russian translations
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half of your translations problems come from not checking other slavic translations smh
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:37:48Z
Wrong
Replying to @zhn half of your translations problems come from not checking other slavic t…
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Also, I checked old Ukrainian translation and it is bad
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Won't even check russian, I suspect it's the same xD (edited)
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:38:54Z
ok
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:40:38Z
It says "For red" and "For blue", which creates a confusion (edited)
Replying to egyt Won't even check russian
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Whoops, wrong reply
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:42:44Z
ye, [play] for red/blue
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pretty straightforward, actually sounds like [play] as red/blue
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louis
it is, but i could solve that with anticheat
heinrich5991 2024-06-02 19:43:26Z
anticheat is a losing game
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Teero
how is the server config for allowing cheated ranks (with rcon) called? xd (edited)
heinrich5991 2024-06-02 19:44:14Z
don't think that exists
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:45:27Z
less straightforward than "[Go] to red/blue team", (that's how I translated it) (edited)
Replying to @zhn pretty straightforward, actually sounds like [play] as red/blue
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:46:31Z
can't really say if there something better than "[играть] За красных" with same width
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:47:11Z
imho Russian shouldn't tell Ukrainian how to make Ukrainian translation
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:47:50Z
wdym, i say that about russian translation, not about ukrainian
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:48:19Z
^
Replying to @zhn half of your translations problems come from not checking other slavic t…
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"К красньім"
Replying to @zhn can't really say if there something better than "[играть] За к�…
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even less letters
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:49:08Z
i said that because i translated and retranslated almost all ddnet related lines in russian and happened to suffer from same thing you recall there
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i didn't touch teeworlds related lines since theyre perfect and iconic for me at least
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 19:49:53Z
i better log off or that might escalate
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zhn 2024-06-02 19:50:09Z
theres nothing to escalate huh
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Learath2 2024-06-02 20:21:59Z
@murpi #bot-cmds-old perhaps that message should also be privately sent
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:29:12Z
Hm, what if Esperanto becomes source language so there is no confusion for translators (Esperanto words always have only one meaning, I heard) /hj
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:31:05Z
how about we invent a new language called teelang
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:31:08Z
^
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:31:08Z
mimimi
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:31:17Z
i speak in angry
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ouch
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mimimi
zhn 2024-06-02 20:31:29Z
^ this means "i pressed f3"
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:31:37Z
heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw
troll 1
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my normal conversation
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on ddnet
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Jupstar ✪
heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw heartw
meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:31:46Z
f4 far
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egyt
Hm, what if Esperanto becomes source language so there is no confusion for translators (Esperanto words always have only one meaning, I heard) /hj
meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:33:05Z
i dont trust no language invented by a ophthalmologist!
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:34:59Z
Yet you trust translations made by random people on The Web :^)
Replying to @meloƞ i dont trust no language invented by a ophthalmologist!
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:35:41Z
mi mmimimi mi
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:36:06Z
btw, does teelang has tones?
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:36:15Z
thats because translations are human readable ? - i dont care if a translation is wrong, and if it is, i propose a change
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:36:37Z
native speaker:
vo_teefault_cry-02.wv
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Learath2
@murpi #bot-cmds-old perhaps that message should also be privately sent
murpi 2024-06-02 20:38:15Z
I'll figure something out
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:38:16Z
i'd say this could literally be "gotta win"
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if u listen very closely
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:38:56Z
why do you have a separate CTF capture sound for Polish 😭
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:39:02Z
iirc all the audio's from back then were created by 3 people in a room with a mic, a plastic bottle and funky audio software
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meloƞ
iirc all the audio's from back then were created by 3 people in a room with a mic, a plastic bottle and funky audio software
Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:39:56Z
man that bottle must have hurt https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1246925601848426561
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:39:57Z
matricks said something about it once - i forgot tho (edited)
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sry if the gif was inappropriate btw
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meloƞ
sry if the gif was inappropriate btw
Headshot 2024-06-02 20:41:13Z
troll
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:41:16Z
which gif, can u resend?
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Headshot 2024-06-02 20:41:25Z
stepfunn my honest reaction gif
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meloƞ 2024-06-02 20:41:25Z
i rather not! :P - someone deleted it for a reason :D
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:42:34Z
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Replying to egyt btw, does teelang has tones?
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vo_teefault_pain_long-02.wv
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Replying to egyt btw, does teelang has tones?
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:42:56Z
guess u have to open the game and ask the native speakers
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Headshot 2024-06-02 20:45:33Z
teenglish
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:46:13Z
Do they know Esperanto?
Replying to @Jupstar ✪ guess u have to open the game and ask the native speakers
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:46:49Z
my tee knows everything
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:51:31Z
that was a bad joke about Chinese
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Jupstar ✪ 2024-06-02 20:52:37Z
sry i gave humor -10 in my skill tree
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 20:55:14Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8439 Check in CI for use of … in translations
See #8435. We should create a new python script for checking translations (including #8429), since nobody seems to understand the existing translation scripts very well.
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egyt BOT 2024-06-02 20:59:27Z
What is CI, again?
Replying to @GitHub GitHub: > Robyt3 […]
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Robyt3 2024-06-02 21:03:31Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
Continuous integration
Continuous integration (CI) is the practice of integrating source code changes frequently and ensuring that the integrated codebase is in a workable state. Typically, developers merge changes to an integration branch, and an automated system builds and tests the software system. Often, the automated process runs on each commit or runs on a sche...
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heinrich5991 2024-06-02 22:43:53Z
@Learath2 does this look similar to what we need for bans? https://debezium.io/
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Learath2 2024-06-02 22:45:34Z
looks very new age, sounds like it is atleast similar to what we want, but one thing is it won't solve any other problem we might want to solve with a message queue, like shipping chat messages to one place, or shipping logs
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GitHub BOT 2024-06-02 23:33:42Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8440 Discord RPC does not work on macOS arm64
When running DDNet through Rosetta it shows the info on discord actually, but when running natively (arm64) it does not appear.
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