I spoke the other day with a cybersecurity engineer and asked which messenger is safer. I was unironically surprised when he told me to use WhatsApp over everything else
Mario
I spoke the other day with a cybersecurity engineer and asked which messenger is safer. I was unironically surprised when he told me to use WhatsApp over everything else
God damn it, stop using any free moment to put politics in conversation, the fact it made by russian doesn't make it worse or it's not the reason it's not encrypted. In fact, CEO of telegram Pavel Durov doesn't support war in any way.
God damn it, stop using any free moment to put politics in conversation, the fact it made by russian doesn't make it worse or it's not the reason it's not encrypted. In fact, CEO of telegram Pavel Durov doesn't support war in any way.
God damn it, stop using any free moment to put politics in conversation, the fact it made by russian doesn't make it worse or it's not the reason it's not encrypted. In fact, CEO of telegram Pavel Durov doesn't support war in any way.
Pavel Durov actually corrects everyone who says Telegram russian. Moreover russian governemnt tried to block it not long time ago, so if you associate tg with Russia or even with russian government it's kinda cringe^3
Moreover, russian government has take control of the first child of Durov and in fact made him persona non-grata, cause he declined to delete social communities of opposition
They can request it, yes, as heinrich told before. But Durov, when the war begun, took neutral side.
Also after "unblock" of Telegram in Russia, they cooperated to detect terrorists, but either it's not working properly or they intentianlly don't want to do it (Krokus expo for example)
09:43
But since the war started Ukraine actively used TG to coordinate civillians or to push their agenda in media
in the hypothetical scenario where russia has influenec on telegram, that'd be a stupid thing to do. telegram would be banned everywhere and russia couldn't wiretap a lot of communication anymore
09:46
so no, if I was in russia's position and had access to all telegram messages, I wouldn't block every connection from ukraine
but either it's not working properly or they intentianlly don't want to do it
source?
heinrich5991
in the hypothetical scenario where russia has influenec on telegram, that'd be a stupid thing to do. telegram would be banned everywhere and russia couldn't wiretap a lot of communication anymore
this seems to be a terrorist attack that was coordinated on telegram. I don't think you can deduce from that that russia can't read telegram messages? just because you can do it doesn't mean you can sift through all that and find all the interesting bits
heinrich5991
this seems to be a terrorist attack that was coordinated on telegram. I don't think you can deduce from that that russia can't read telegram messages? just because you can do it doesn't mean you can sift through all that and find all the interesting bits
Original message was about cooperating of the government and telegram, or at least willing to cooperate. Yes they can request it, yes they can get an answer from tg, but I assume every other goverment can make that too as long as the situation is inside their country. There might be a lot of other possible reasons for leaking messages from Ukarainian journalist, for example forwarding it to all you contacts. This one case doesn't actually proof that Telegram is russian government project
Mario
Original message was about cooperating of the government and telegram, or at least willing to cooperate. Yes they can request it, yes they can get an answer from tg, but I assume every other goverment can make that too as long as the situation is inside their country. There might be a lot of other possible reasons for leaking messages from Ukarainian journalist, for example forwarding it to all you contacts. This one case doesn't actually proof that Telegram is russian government project
AFAIK germany can't. I wasn't saying there's proof that russia can access telegram messages, but that it's suspicious that the telegram block was officially lifted when telegram agreed to cooperate with russia
heinrich5991
AFAIK germany can't. I wasn't saying there's proof that russia can access telegram messages, but that it's suspicious that the telegram block was officially lifted when telegram agreed to cooperate with russia
From russian perspective it isn't, actually. They tried to block it for a long period time. Everyone was laughing at them. People just learnt what is VPN and proxy, and because of that stupid move with blocking, russian goverment educated youth about technologies. But the most fun part is that russian government people were still using "blocked" Telegram as their main messenger. For work and for their regular life.
10:00
IMHO they just got tired trying to block it
10:02
They tried to fight it, they lost. So you can still continue to block the whole fucking IP networks and "unintentianaly" block some kind of large business websites, or just to stop doing that, cause it doesn't make any sense
Telegram is against terrorism at all. Its just common sense. This kind of cooperation with governemnt was just in all headlines. And mostly because of the block before. Again, every other messenger or social network will cooperate with goverment to detect terrorists, if they can techincally make it. It seems just as rolling back to initial state, but with a show
Russian goverment is a latent dictatorship and they want everything be their way or at least so it would seem like it. So when this happend they had to become a showoffs to the whole world. "Look, we made them do it", when in reality Telegram didn't care. They still were popular in Russia, everyone still was using it. And Telegram created ways to ignore blocking by themself. So they were just "Ok"
heinrich5991
why does telegram not cooperate with germany (AFAIK), but with russia?
i havent played one for more than 6 years and before that i didnt really pay much
11:43
now once in my life i shit on them a lot of money ( atleast relatively to my earnings ) and they update it so to get exactly same things you need to spend even more money lmao
You really gonna argue with at least two natives who’s been reading articles about that from all the media in Russia?
14:53
It is funny that you sending ukrainian video considering that those countries at war state rn(edited)
14:54
Even funnier that even tho they are trying to lowgrade reputation of telegram the whole country using it for all kinds of stuff
14:56
EVEN FUNNIER he tells exactly what I’ve been texting here
14:58
About blocking whole IP networks with telegram, about normal working after “block”, etc
14:59
So I’ll repeat myself: Russia tried to block Telegram and they did for one or two days. After that Durov and his team made an update, which used push notifications iirc
14:59
So government needed to block it again
15:00
But since they didn’t know shit about internet, they just blocked a huge amount of the whole network
15:00
Including Google, Amazon, etc
15:02
They tried to make telegram blocked for a few years, but only made it worse, cause now every kid in Russia knows how to evade restriction of every website
I’m having fun all the way of this discussion, cause I like topics like this and also like to make my brain working and remembering all info that it has
15:25
So it’s really up to you to change your opinion or not, but I think I’ve given you better vision at least about blocking TG in Russia, since I was, as they say, in the middle of an action
egyt
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