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Between 2024-05-26 00:00:00Z and 2024-05-27 00:00:00Z

<ChillerDragon> Ewan i wake up with sun

i wish

i woke up with a headache

03:14

good morning

gm

03:15

me rn

Ewan

how do u all make urselves wake up

anxiety wakes you up real good

true

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

34ae33a A powerless2 - ddnet-maps

04:37

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8396 Improve Android storage usage, faster launch, remove permissions

04:37

github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

986508e Improve Android storage usage, faster launch, remove permissions - Robyt3 9bd5aac Merge pull request #8396 from Robyt3/Android-Storage-Refactoring - def-

<ChillerDragon> sussy clang spoofing gcc

waking up early to watch this video in its entirety to refresh knowledge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpPEoZW5IiY 11/10 i reocmmend

freeCodeCamp.org

Learn Rust Programming - Complete Course

neat

considering switching over to Artix but I don't know if i dislike systemd's slog as much as I like Arch's mature package repos and AUR

06:01

most of which should technically work on artix but it just sounds like a pain

06:04

actually I'm remembering how much of a pain in the ass it was to set up GNOME on Gentoo using OpenRC so I think i'll just go arch

morning

3

2

2

meloƞ

@Ryzen might i ask what you're working on atm? (because you're handling data on a .txt file) :D (edited)

Jail )

07:39

Iam programming on c#

07:39

And now I trying to programming on c++

oh i see

And I am too lazy to learn about data base

07:39

And I am just doing a jail command

07:39

And I need to write name of jailed player and reason

07:40

If player connected and he is in a txt file

07:40

He will put in jail

07:40

And for future

07:40

What database better to use

07:40

Which is easier

sqlite / mysql

Ewan

how do u all make urselves wake up

My cats wake me up xd

Learath2

This is easy to prove true, so there is no need to change your mind

what's the proof?

Learath2

Why is the tea emoji green tea when green tea isnt even all that common

because emoji come from japanese phone companies, likely

Jupstar ✪

"Whether caffeine can result in an addictive disorder depends on how addiction is defined. Compulsive caffeine consumption under any circumstances has not been observed, and caffeine is therefore not generally considered addictive.[109] However, some diagnostic models, such as the ICDM-9 and ICD-10, include a classification of caffeine addiction under a broader diagnostic model.[110] Some state that certain users can become addicted and therefore unable to decrease use even though they know there are negative health effects." i mean how does this sound to you?

AFAIK caffeine has some good effects and some bad effects, but the they roughly cancel out. being addicted to something neutral doesn't sound that bad. AFAIK the addiction can also be overcome relatively easily. alocohol and smoking are the actually bad addictions

rise from the ashes useless & dead tea discussion

08:26

‍♂️

08:30

beside body health it also gives you yellow teeth and at least for coffee epyc shit breath

tea

whooo

@Ryozuki i may or may not have forgotten to save my password to the wiki account so i had to create a new one kek

kek

meloƞ

@Ryozuki i may or may not have forgotten to save my password to the wiki account so i had to create a new one kek

kek

ripperino

meh i just made a small change - its just annoying because it wont auto-accept

meloƞ

@Ryozuki i may or may not have forgotten to save my password to the wiki account so i had to create a new one kek

kek

does "I forgot my password" not work?

heinrich5991

does "I forgot my password" not work?

prolly a typo in the username, wont work atleast* (edited)

08:37

horrible when you have 4 names you use regularly :/

https://wiki.ddnet.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&offset=&limit=500

why did i call my damn wiki account melonew - thanks.

do you use a password manager? I strongly suggest using one. it's safer; and you won't forget your username

never really thought about it, i have 5 passwords i would consider pretty strong and for different purposes :D - but i do forget my Username quite often - might want to get one

08:43

any recommendations? :P

<ChillerDragon> @Ryzen which mod are you working on that has jails?

meloƞ

any recommendations? :P

bitwarden

<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ i use pass since you are not a windows user anymore its a good fit for you https://www.passwordstore.org/

Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager

Pass is the standard unix password manager, a lightweight password manager that uses GPG and Git for Linux, BSD, and Mac OS X.

08:45

<ChillerDragon> xd

08:45

<ChillerDragon> written in the best programming language there is

08:45

<ChillerDragon> bash

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @meloƞ i use pass since you are not a windows user anymore its a good fit for you https://www.passwordstore.org/

sweats in windows atm because i didnt setup my linux env. up completly yet

I would recommend against using a password manager that doesn't have browser integration

08:46

since that makes it more likely you won't use it. and not using a password manager is worse than using one. I use bitwarden

08:46

https://bitwarden.com/

<ChillerDragon> i dont like browser integration

thanks heinrich, i'll look into it

<ChillerDragon> only thing i need is ddnet client integration :p

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> i dont like browser integration

you would strip the graphics out of a monitor if you could!

chiller: u are hipster

<ChillerDragon> make sure to self host the community rewrite of the propriatary bitwarden backend

monkaStop

1

pepe_holy

1

catxplosion

1

08:48

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

GitHub - dani-garcia/vaultwarden: Unofficial Bitwarden compatible s...

Unofficial Bitwarden compatible server written in Rust, formerly known as bitwarden_rs - dani-garcia/vaultwarden

chiller can you see discord reactions?

<ChillerDragon> nope

08:48

<ChillerDragon> no replies no reactions no attachments including images

08:48

<ChillerDragon> feelsbadman

feelsbadman

skill issue!

<ChillerDragon> irc shaming is strictly forbidden in this channel

the bitwarden server isn't proprietrary btw, ChillerDragon

<ChillerDragon> didn't we have that discussion before?

so u dont see melons reactions to your comment on irc chiller?

08:49

that's really really sad

<ChillerDragon> milky wrote a bridge

08:50

<ChillerDragon> that bridges reactions

what has this guy not written yet

08:50

XD

<ChillerDragon> but idk if he ever wants to finish and ship it -.-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwarden

<ChillerDragon> heino send backend repo src code

https://github.com/bitwarden/server

<url>

08:51

trick by teero

<ChillerDragon> did they go open src recently?

no, been that way forever

<ChillerDragon> why vaultwarden then?

maybe you're remembering something else?

08:52

because people don't like the technology choices of the official server

<ChillerDragon> no way xd

08:52

<ChillerDragon> i mean its C#

it requires a MS SQL server IIRC

<ChillerDragon> thats basically closed source xd

08:53

<ChillerDragon> but didnt't we have that convo already?

08:53

<ChillerDragon> was it maybe onepass? idk you always were bitwarden fan irrc

I'm not sure if I'd call it a "fan"

<ChillerDragon> i am a "pass" fan

fan sounds like someone who couldn't be convinced of a technically superior solution

<ChillerDragon> and proud

08:54

<ChillerDragon> yes thats me

08:55

<ChillerDragon> > 2021-02-22.log:20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 also bitwarden. can be selfhosted, there's a third-party impl for the server

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @Ryzen which mod are you working on that has jails?

wdym?

08:56

like custom gametype ?

<ChillerDragon> wat u working on

08:56

<ChillerDragon> u said jail

08:56

<ChillerDragon> and db

08:56

<ChillerDragon> wat u working on

oh

08:56

i working on command jail

08:56

and i didnt said db

08:56

i said

<ChillerDragon> mimimi

Ryzen

What database better to use

.

<ChillerDragon> jail command for what

08:57

<ChillerDragon> i dont see replies

08:57

<ChillerDragon> you were talking about persistence i call it db dont go all details on me

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> jail command for what

like u write jail <id> <reason>

<ChillerDragon> just leak what you are working on -.-

player teleports to a jail on the map

<ChillerDragon> ye

08:57

<ChillerDragon> in what project u need that

I think it's about put players to jail to prevent them from playing on map must be block mod

<ChillerDragon> or city

08:58

<ChillerDragon> or something unexpected

08:58

<ChillerDragon> thats why i am curious xd

like using jail as punishment

<ChillerDragon> yep

well I did that i thought maybe he want use it in that way too

<ChillerDragon> omagawd rafael xd

08:59

<ChillerDragon> wat u working on

kek

<ChillerDragon> ffs im on edge

08:59

<ChillerDragon> just tell me

XD

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> > 2021-02-22.log:20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Learath2 also bitwarden. can be selfhosted, there's a third-party impl for the server

LMAO chiller

08:59

now it looks like heinrich pinged learath

08:59

nice

08:59

nice scammer

<ChillerDragon> hehe

i worked on command jail which puts a player to a jail on the map. He cant kill in a jail and cant spec. If he leave and join back he will put to jail again

09:00

it is just punishment kek

kek

<ChillerDragon> yes yes

09:00

<ChillerDragon> but which mod?

09:00

<ChillerDragon> whats the project name?

block 100% sure

Ryzen

it is just punishment kek

kek

say it please

<ChillerDragon> he is playing with us

yeah I noticed too

<ChillerDragon> its probably some kinky role play server

it's trap

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> he is playing with us

i think it is will somethink like block or maybe like TeeTown

no no not role play

<ChillerDragon> bruv

see i know it

kek

1

<ChillerDragon> now you just repeated what i said

Ryzen

i think it is will somethink like block or maybe like TeeTown

where are you from Ryzen ?

<ChillerDragon> you don't know what you build it for?

Oh i think i shouldnt to say it (edited)

<ChillerDragon> wtf

but English not my main language

Russian or Iran which one ?

1

kek

09:02

Iran

<ChillerDragon> my english is also not the yellow from the egg

09:03

<ChillerDragon> priviet

09:03

kak dela?

<ChillerDragon> harrasch

:DDDD

<ChillerDragon> e u tebia

09:03

<ChillerDragon> dude idk how to type xd

<ChillerDragon> shatap

09:03

<ChillerDragon> sto mod

hmm for your jail system if you can use mysql or sqlite as database to store names

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> e u tebia

it is mean i am fucking you

Peakies

hmm for your jail system if you can use mysql or sqlite as database to store names

okay i will use sqlite

<ChillerDragon> use jail.txt

and if we r talking

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> use jail.txt

i already use it

<ChillerDragon> or use ddnet++ it already has jails :p

just for future

no no sqlite is better for jail system on block or town mod haha

09:04

I'm genius

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> or use ddnet++ it already has jails :p

i want to write it myself

Ryzen

i want to write it myself

that's spirit like it

Peakies

no no sqlite is better for jail system on block or town mod haha

i think i will use sqlite for auth system

yeah exactly for jail system you need to have account system too

so if we r talking. How can i host the server on my pc?

09:05

What i need to do

<ChillerDragon> sqlite3 is serverless

09:05

<ChillerDragon> so pog

port forwarding then open DDNet-Server.exe or ./DDNet-Server on linux

<ChillerDragon> ah that

09:06

<ChillerDragon> id recommend a vps if you want actual people playing on it

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Peakies

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any WOW player do we have here ?

so i need to open ports?

09:07

and sv_register 1

Peakies

any WOW player do we have here ?

used to

Ryzen

so i need to open ports?

yes

Ryzen

and sv_register 1

you can go with sv_register 0 too it's just for register server on masters

Peakies

any WOW player do we have here ?

metin2 player here

AltesRind

used to

me too now just playing for fun

don't have much time to play wow

Peakies

me too now just playing for fun

race, class, lvl?

yeah me too

druid right?

nightelf, druid, 52 on private cataclysm server

AltesRind

druid right?

yeah waisting time on private server as fun

i play final

yeah i was on wotlk private server, holy priest

09:09

was a pain to level him to 80

heinrich5991

what's the proof?

We need n^3 - 1 to be prime. Which can be trivially factored as (n - 1)(n^2 + n + 1). If n > 2 you have an obviously composite number. If n <= 1 you get 0 or negative numbers not prime. That only leaves n=1 which gives you the 7, the only prime before a cube

Ryozuki

i play final

that new game that's look like csgo ?

final fantasy 14

09:09

a mmo

AltesRind

was a pain to level him to 80

yeah yeah I played a lot on wotlk and legion like for years

Ryozuki

final fantasy 14

oh never played that one but I know it's have too many players

ii have nearly every class at max lvl

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<ChillerDragon> grepping the irc logs confirms that lerato speaks more about golang than ryo about rust

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09:10

justatest

Ryozuki

ii have nearly every class at max lvl

nice

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> grepping the irc logs confirms that lerato speaks more about golang than ryo about rust

but only recently or not?

<ChillerDragon> grep -ri "ryozuki.*rust" | wc -l

dude playing hard try on mmo games

ChillerDragon thats fake

<ChillerDragon> 3698

09:11

<ChillerDragon> grep -riE "Learath2.*go" | wc -l

i have to go

09:11

xdd

<ChillerDragon> 4072

09:11

<ChillerDragon> flawless way to obtain stats

i mean

09:11

go is also a normal word

<ChillerDragon> pst

you know like "lets go here"

<ChillerDragon> so is rust!

Rust is also a normal word. I see nothing wrong with these stats

way more rare word

grep -ri "jupeyy_keks.*vulkan" | wc -l pls

Learath2

We need n^3 - 1 to be prime. Which can be trivially factored as (n - 1)(n^2 + n + 1). If n > 2 you have an obviously composite number. If n <= 1 you get 0 or negative numbers not prime. That only leaves n=1 which gives you the 7, the only prime before a cube

makes sense. you mean n=2 though

<ChillerDragon> 29

heinrich5991

makes sense. you mean n=2 though

Yes typo, sorry just woke up

shut

09:13

no way

09:13

fake stats

<ChillerDragon> grep -riE "jup(p|e|s).*vulkan" | wc -l

09:13

<ChillerDragon> 588

try Jupstar ✪

09:13

still no way

09:13

oh wow

<ChillerDragon> thats basically all ur nicks

Try jup.*vulkan

i fall behind ryo so much

<ChillerDragon> jup is also a normal word xd

only in german

how does this rust no lifer mentioned it 4k times already

what does it mean

Jupstar ✪

i fall behind ryo so much

You arent propagandizing effectively

it means "yup" ^^

Yup

<ChillerDragon> grep -riE "(jup|jap|keks).*vulkan" | wc -l

09:14

<ChillerDragon> 633

disgusting

<ChillerDragon> grep -riE "vulkan" | wc -l

vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan vulkan

<ChillerDragon> 1553

in rust we trust

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> 633

not much

<ChillerDragon> lerato mentioned "C" 39053 times xd

in vulkan we tvulkan in vulkan we tvulkan

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/121377

Stabilize LazyCell and LazyLock by pitaj · Pull Request #121377...

Closes #109736 This stabilizes the LazyLock and LazyCell types: static HASHMAP: LazyLock<HashMap<i32, String>> = LazyLock::new(|| { println!("initializing"); let mut m...

chillerdragon: how many times u mentioned bash? Xd

nice

<ChillerDragon> 296

https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/sync/struct.LazyLock.html

LazyLock in std::sync - Rust

A value which is initialized on the first access.

rust is also contained in "trust", probably other words, too

<ChillerDragon> crust

Ryozuki

https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/sync/struct.LazyLock.html

I wonder why they felt the need to implement it. it's trivially achievable using a OnceCell/OnceLock already (edited)

why is it in standard anyway

09:17

to many global var enjoyers in this world

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> lerato mentioned "C" 39053 times xd

Try with \bC(?:99|11|20|23|2x)?\b

<ChillerDragon> @MilkeeyCat you are top10 neovim enjoyers

Hell yeah

im such a wiki gamer

09:18

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Chillerdragon what's the top5?

<ChillerDragon> somehow my paste tool is stuck xd

09:19

<ChillerDragon> and i dont have screenshots on mac

09:19

<ChillerDragon> ICA2NSBSeW96dWtpCiAgMTcgCiAgMTYgbWlsa2VleWNhdAogIDE1IHJ5b3p1a2kKICAgNyBsZWFyYXRoMgogICA2IHRlZXJvNzc3CiAgIDUgQ2hpbGxlckRyYWdvbgogICA0IExlYXJhdGgyCiAgIDMgbWVsb8aeCiAgIDMgSnVwc3RhciDinKoK

09:19

<ChillerDragon> those are the top10 xd

thanks for your password

Excellent

<ChillerDragon> idk what happend to .2

Do the C one properly

65 Ryozuki 17 16 milkeeycat 15 ryozuki 7 learath2 6 teero777 5 ChillerDragon 4 Learath2 3 meloƞ 3 Jupstar ✪

<ChillerDragon> grep -ri "neovim" | cut -d'<' -f3 | cut -d'>' -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr is probably flawed in many ways

heinrich5991

65 Ryozuki 17 16 milkeeycat 15 ryozuki 7 learath2 6 teero777 5 ChillerDragon 4 Learath2 3 meloƞ 3 Jupstar ✪

dabs

<ChillerDragon> omg heinrich spammer

(from the base64 that ChillerDragon posted)

still below jupsi

<ChillerDragon> lerato how to do C`

09:21

<ChillerDragon> you mean " C "

09:21

<ChillerDragon> or word boundaries maybe

I sent the regex

09:21

\bC(?:99|11|20|23|2x)?\b

<ChillerDragon> does that work with grep -E ?

Good question. Only god himself knows what subset of regex works on what engine

<ChillerDragon> < Learath2> should be at C:\Python25

09:22

<ChillerDragon> windows enjoyer

<ChillerDragon> < Learath2> bam -c all; bam client_release does that get you python errors ?

09:22

<ChillerDragon> bam enjoyer

09:22

<ChillerDragon> < Learath2> [](){} fits quite well to C++

09:22

<ChillerDragon> C++ enjoyer

Hm, perhaps \b isn't really the best here

<ChillerDragon> ] <Learath2> c'est un mystère

09:23

<ChillerDragon> fromage enjoyer

09:23

<ChillerDragon> <Learath2> I want to go from H to A, B, C, D. I understand that there are prescribed forms for figuring out possible A, B, C, D. I'm curious how one figures out one of these themselves

just try c with spaces

<ChillerDragon> alphabet

09:24

<ChillerDragon> ] <Learath2> c.acquire().await?.begin().await

But that loses sentences thay start and end with c

<ChillerDragon> ye

then add those too

09:25

but isnt on irc the text never at start

<ChillerDragon> wtf is there an emoji?

and when would u add c at the end of sentence

Jupstar ✪

and when would u add c at the end of sentence

My favourite programming language is C

$

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/irclogs/blob/2ac04c68d9175022592b93a591d563d457c7766d/ddnet/2019-05-07.log#L465

irclogs/ddnet/2019-05-07.log at 2ac04c68d9175022592b93a591d563d457c...

Mirror of https://ddnet.tw/irclogs/. Contribute to TeeworldsDB/irclogs development by creating an account on GitHub.

09:25

<ChillerDragon> watafak is that

🗺️

<ChillerDragon> ah map

09:26

<ChillerDragon> he edited it afterwards xd

(?:\s|^)C(?:89|90|99|11|20|23|2x)?(?:\s|$) how about this?

<ChillerDragon> wanna dos my poor macbook?

xD

heinrich5991

65 Ryozuki 17 16 milkeeycat 15 ryozuki 7 learath2 6 teero777 5 ChillerDragon 4 Learath2 3 meloƞ 3 Jupstar ✪

lol

Worry not no lookaheads or look behinds

<ChillerDragon> that looks smooth

09:28

<ChillerDragon> like almost no false positives

the ^ is unlikely to do anything good since the nickname is in front

<ChillerDragon> > 2022-05-07.log:35:00:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> C is sooo pretty ❤️

owo

❤️

chiller give the count

<ChillerDragon> 476

pff

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-04-13.log:59:11:06 < bridge> <Learath2> Coolcool C is best

09:29

<ChillerDragon> > 2022-09-29.log:180:20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> C syntax is ❤️

09:30

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-06-08.log:1133:22:54 <+bridge> <learath2> C ofc ❤️

09:30

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-09-29.log:185:18:16 < bridge> <learath2> I suggest C :Gigachad:

09:31

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-10-08.log:230:11:00 < bridge> <learath2> If C has 3 fans, I'm one of them.

09:31

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-10-08.log:231:11:00 < bridge> <learath2> If C has 1 fan, it is me.

09:31

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-10-08.log:232:11:00 < bridge> <learath2> If C has no fans, I've died.

stop spamming chiller

there in the internet.. forever

09:31

lol

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-12-31.log:160:09:30 < bridge> <learath2> Common C W

if u post all, learath gets even more c ones

09:31

Jupstar ✪

pepe_ew92

u destroying the stats

<ChillerDragon> rigged stats

09:31

<ChillerDragon> next time we just grep -v ChillerDragon

do -.- for yourself

-\.-

Who mentioned ddnet word the most times? 0_o

i always say teeworlds

<ChillerDragon> -.- works

bcs it sounds more epyc

09:33

top10 teeworlds & ddnet pls

<ChillerDragon> 316

for -.-?+

09:33

that's quite a lot

<ChillerDragon> 1983 for ._.

u.u

._.

wtf

uwu?

. is a wildcard, ChillerDragon

09:33

this catches some_identifier

<ChillerDragon> ah right

just like -.- matches automat-o-ton or whatever

<ChillerDragon> ok only 151 ._.

09:34

<ChillerDragon> and 279 -.-

09:34

<ChillerDragon> 199 uwu/owo xd

top10 teeworlds & ddnet pls

09:35

and pls not as base64

<ChillerDragon> oke

09:35

<ChillerDragon> xd

and afterwards create a chillerbot that accepts regex requests

09:35

09:35

and created top10

<ChillerDragon> xd

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> > 2023-10-08.log:232:11:00 < bridge> <learath2> If C has no fans, I've died.

C my beloved

<ChillerDragon> lmao lerato

09:36

<ChillerDragon> hm the bridge is called ddnet

it wins

<ChillerDragon> i need some more complex stuff sec

the bridge is called bridge_

<ChillerDragon> ./teeworlds/2019-04-21.log:14:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] <ChillerDragon> lol thats weird the econ console sees comments from other users xd

09:37

<ChillerDragon> it has teeworlds in here for example

Now i am become Rust, Destroyer of Unsafe code

@Learath2 see how important u are to me

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09:38

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Jupstar ✪

@Learath2 see how important u are to me

You were probably saying something mean

<ChillerDragon> yea idk how to code a non bugged grep

btw ripgrep, which is made with rust, is faster

<ChillerDragon> but its bad

09:39

<ChillerDragon> it always misses stuff

?

<ChillerDragon> if you wanna catch all grep is better

probably only because his terminal runs using vulkan vulkan vulkan

Jupstar ✪

@Learath2 see how important u are to me

You have more btw including replies

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<ChillerDragon> i have had many incidents where grep would find more while grepping logs

learath might be the most mentioned person on this server

ripgrep doesnt do backtracking by default iirc

interesting

can u show a proof

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8397 dynamically updated maps (discussion)

Is there a possibility of dynamic maps (i.e. maps that can update tiles while tees are playing the map)? I'm not sure exactly how this would work, but I imagine that instead of storing the entire map client-side, the server can simply send the map resources for the client to store and separately send tile data when the tee first loads in as well as whenever the map updates its tiles. Some cool use-cases:

Better switch tile mechanics (switchability to any tile)
Possible future in-ga...

https://orlp.net/blog/taming-float-sums/

<ChillerDragon> last time i got bamboolzed by rg was a while ago

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8398 Ensure return value of secure_random_init is always checked

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716717807.png

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<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716717848.png

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when top10

<ChillerDragon> ok it might be gitignore stuff this time but i remember some day my log parser broke i swapped rg with grep and it worked again

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<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ send cmd i run it

grep top10 ddnet

<ChillerDragon> ?xd

10:06

<ChillerDragon> dude i broke hot reloading again

how did u create the top10 last time?

<ChillerDragon> can u believe it

no, i cannot

10:06

it was perfect

<ChillerDragon> with bugged cut command but this time the grep would match a bunch of bridged messages

we wasted 2 minutes in our call to fix it and another 2h to talk about other random stuff

10:06

XD

<ChillerDragon> it was in a messy state and had a bunch of hacks from my attempts

10:06

<ChillerDragon> i did some cleanup and now it broke

10:07

<ChillerDragon> especially find_package(Crypto) seems to break it xd

10:07

<ChillerDragon> lemme do some investigating but bruv

10:08

<ChillerDragon> i guess using some script to cleanup the log data would help. So that discord and irc messages have the same format

especially find_package(Crypto) seems to break it xd

if that indeed turns out to be the case, I suggest you try to find the root cause of the problem

10:10

because apparently something in our understanding is missing if that breaks it. meaning that if you find it, you'll probably understand the whole problem better

<ChillerDragon> ye for now i managed to also break it without crypto xd

10:11

<ChillerDragon> faak

10:11

<ChillerDragon> but ye at some point commenting out find_package(Crypto) made me progress on some symbol not found errors xd

10:12

<ChillerDragon> so i am atm cleaning up all those hacks

10:14

<ChillerDragon> i may have copy pasted vulkan code without reading it xd

just code it new from scratch

10:29

with all new your experience

<ChillerDragon> vulkan? xd

yes that too xd

10:29

i mean ur hot reload stuff

<ChillerDragon> oh you mean my thing

10:29

<ChillerDragon> there is barley any code yet -.-

it worked yesterday

10:29

don't make me sad

<ChillerDragon> i made it work again :D

10:30

<ChillerDragon> it was because i copy patasad from some vulkan header

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<ChillerDragon> without reading it xd

10:30

<ChillerDragon> also with crypto now

imagine touching vulkan headers when doing server side stuff

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xD

<ChillerDragon> :D

10:30

<ChillerDragon> i liked their visbibilty prepropressor thingies

10:31

<ChillerDragon> propressor lmao

10:31

<ChillerDragon> because next up is passing pipeline

10:31

<ChillerDragon> so far the state is only works on my machine

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<ChillerDragon> when merge https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8318

Add support for clang tidy 19 by ChillerDragon · Pull Request #8318...

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<ChillerDragon> omgawd it has conflicts

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8398 Ensure return value of secure_random_init is always checked

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github-merge-queue[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

583845f Ensure return value of secure_random_init is always checked - Robyt3 5ad62b5 Merge pull request #8398 from Robyt3/Base-secure_random_init-check - heinrich5991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ-25-pRhpY

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<ChillerDragon> xd

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could be supported but only for new clients

11:15

will break ux for old client/non-compilant players

I'm curious to see what the current % of players on updated clients vs non-updated clients is nowadays

louis

I'm curious to see what the current % of players on updated clients vs non-updated clients is nowadays

me too, ping deen he has the stats xd

<ChillerDragon> last stats i saw were a high amount of users being up to date

11:46

<ChillerDragon> that is caused by auto update feature in the client and also the high amount of steam enjoyers

the amnt of backwards compatability in this game is kind of insane to me

louis

I'm curious to see what the current % of players on updated clients vs non-updated clients is nowadays

but tbh ur feature request doesn't sound very trivial. how would prediction work with it? how does the client make sure it can back up in case wrong tiles were written (network wise this would at least need in-order reliable packets from the server) what are update limits, can the server just easily dos the client?

louis

the amnt of backwards compatability in this game is kind of insane to me

it's completely useless

11:49

we can easily force players to update by dropping old clients

<ChillerDragon> we have vital messages

Jupstar ✪

but tbh ur feature request doesn't sound very trivial. how would prediction work with it? how does the client make sure it can back up in case wrong tiles were written (network wise this would at least need in-order reliable packets from the server) what are update limits, can the server just easily dos the client?

id imagine tile updates wouldn't take as much data as tee updates really

11:49

although full map updates would have to be sent so in that case it could get pretty heavy

<ChillerDragon> ah tee only has x and y

11:50

<ChillerDragon> a tile has x/y/type/layer/group/flags

Jupstar ✪

but tbh ur feature request doesn't sound very trivial. how would prediction work with it? how does the client make sure it can back up in case wrong tiles were written (network wise this would at least need in-order reliable packets from the server) what are update limits, can the server just easily dos the client?

it definitely isn't trivial in my mind most map updates would be triggered by teammates standing on switches, etc. so it would have as much prediction as those actions have prediction

11:50

and yes i think in-order packets would be the most tricky part of it

<ChillerDragon> vital should cover that

ah

i think what you request would work with dd-pg's rendering wasm modules

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> ah tee only has x and y

x, y, angle, shooting, current weapon, emote etc

<ChillerDragon> did you see my poc @louis ?

but prediction chilller?

<ChillerDragon> it worked flawlessly

yeah ChillerDragon

<ChillerDragon> wdym prediction jupsti?

without prediction that feature would be a step back

11:51

client side prediction

<ChillerDragon> it has

11:51

<ChillerDragon> did you see the clip?

did u already implement luis idea?

<ChillerDragon> yes

epyc

11:52

fast boi

yeah the poc looks pretty nice tbh

<ChillerDragon> no jupsti im not fast

but at the same time i feel like a change to the shape of the mapfile itself would make stuff like this much simpler too

11:53

maybe that's asking too much

<ChillerDragon> but it didnt take me too long but it was not because of louis but because i wanted that since forever

11:53

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7666

Add netmessage to update tiles in the map · Issue #7666 · ddnet/ddn...

Not sure how exactly it should look like. I quickly came up with a poc that looks like this NetMessageEx("Sv_ModifyTile", "modify-tile@netmsg.ddnet.org", [ NetIntAny("m_X&q...

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<ChillerDragon> here the clip @Jupstar ✪

11:53

<ChillerDragon> the client calls Collision()->SetTile so it has prediction

nice so how does the client react if the prediction was wrong?

11:53

how does it recover from that

<ChillerDragon> ah you mean like if the client hits a wall server side where the client client side thinks there is void?

11:54

<ChillerDragon> i don't think it has to recover from such state

if the client hits a switch and removes tiles but it actually didnt happen

<ChillerDragon> as soon as the server informs it about the tile it should apply the new tile instantly

how does prediction work for that with doors

<ChillerDragon> it will bug

and if u have 300 ping?

<ChillerDragon> yea same as with doors i guess

louis

how does prediction work for that with doors

doors can simply be part of the snapshot

tbh u can't expect prediction to be playable on 300 ping

<ChillerDragon> your client gets bugged through

for map files this isnt as easy as it would need the whole map

11:55

doors are rendered on fly

11:55

not buffered

louis

tbh u can't expect prediction to be playable on 300 ping

it's not about seeing others predicted

11:56

client side prediction also is for local tee

ah ye

<ChillerDragon> i understand what you mean jopsti

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<ChillerDragon> but i was not planning it for doors anyways thats a louis thing

11:56

<ChillerDragon> i only wanted live map editor and minetee

yeah i like that

<ChillerDragon> nothing that gets into official ddnet rank gameplay so heinrich can not complain about breaking backcompat

it's just not trivial

<ChillerDragon> so far the only problem i know is demo skipping

11:57

<ChillerDragon> thats what heinrich pointed out

11:57

<ChillerDragon> and i am not too sure about the diff format heinrich suggested mapfile chunks

hmm i don't see what makes running into a nonexistent tile wall different than a nonexistent door wall

basically what chiller just said

<ChillerDragon> because it is in the snapshot

if u skip demo u need to reupload the whole map file

why cant u just send tile diffs in snapshot too

for doors it's simply the current doors in the snapshot

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8397 dynamically updated maps (discussion)

<ChillerDragon> but you skip the diffs

11:58

<ChillerDragon> on demo skip

louis

why cant u just send tile diffs in snapshot too

but u need to track ALL tile diffs

11:58

that ever existed

11:58

doors are simply a list of current doors

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7666#issuecomment-1983414934

Add netmessage to update tiles in the map · Issue #7666 · ddnet/ddn...

Not sure how exactly it should look like. I quickly came up with a poc that looks like this NetMessageEx("Sv_ModifyTile", "modify-tile@netmsg.ddnet.org", [ NetIntAny("m_X&q...

11:59

<ChillerDragon> wat you think about dis jopsti?

Jupstar ✪

but u need to track ALL tile diffs

hm true

i dunno, maybe demos simply don't work with this kind of games

12:00

do demos exist in minecraft?

<ChillerDragon> demo skipping*

i guess i'm thinking from a ddnet gameplay perspective as in tees won't be adding tiles to the map themselves, everything would already be predetermined in the editor

Jupstar ✪

we can easily force players to update by dropping old clients

except, as always, for the players who can't update easily. android client (in the works), custom clients, unsupported OSs

<ChillerDragon> minecraft mods have replays yes

heinrich5991

except, as always, for the players who can't update easily. android client (in the works), custom clients, unsupported OSs

drop them

<ChillerDragon> idk if they have a skip

99% of players profit

12:00

the others are not important

<ChillerDragon> heinrich supporting the bot devs who are too lazy to solve git conflicts axaxax

why not just send lightweight tile changes in the snapshot and heavier ones without predictions

louis

i guess i'm thinking from a ddnet gameplay perspective as in tees won't be adding tiles to the map themselves, everything would already be predetermined in the editor

that would actually be a lot easier to support

like basically if you just have a switch that toggles a group of tiles active or not active then that's super easy for client side prediction

<ChillerDragon> @louis you mean keep ALL tile changes in EVERY snapshot?

but if you're going minetee route, that's definitely not

yeah if u know all toggable tiles in advance it's different for sure

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> @louis you mean keep ALL tile changes in EVERY snapshot?

i was thinking of these tile swaps more as ddnet doors, when you apply it to minetee-like gamemodes i realize its less viable

but at least for minetee it would not work ig

that works, but then it's: we can easily force some players to update and some to stop playing the game by dropping support for old versions

<ChillerDragon> im sure konsti would love to explore the new possibilties of bugs that happen when you can stuck a tee in a wall xd

why not if the tee is stuck in a nonexistent tile or vise versa, the server just resends the updated tile information in a small radius around the tee position

12:05

or idk. send small batches of snapshots depending on the tee's position

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8399 net_addr_from_url allows URLs without port from the masterserver

Masterserver parsing is supposed to be strict and not allow any deviation from the protocol.

<ChillerDragon> @Jupstar ✪ idk if snapshots even help

what snapshots?

<ChillerDragon> with prediction

?

<ChillerDragon> the make sure that tee and tile positions are sent together yes

12:06

<ChillerDragon> but the client still predicts in between snapshots

12:07

<ChillerDragon> and netmessages should arrive as fast as snapshots

i have no context about wtf u talk about xD

<ChillerDragon> you said for prediction the map changes should be in the snap so they are as good as doors

12:07

<ChillerDragon> i am not sure if that is true

12:07

<ChillerDragon> i think 300 ping is bad either way

12:07

<ChillerDragon> and 40 ping is good either way

i never said anything about network detail for map changes, except that they need to be reliable

12:07

and in order

u can never predict if another tee places a tile right on ur face

12:08

but u should be able to predict for example if a deep'ed tee falls onto a switch that activates new tiles

louis

u can never predict if another tee places a tile right on ur face

yes, in a minecraft like mod it's not really ez

i definitely don't know tw code esp netcode as much so i'm probably just yapping xd

12:10

but i dont see whats wrong with if simply re-sending all tile information in like a 10-tile radius to the tee if the client and server are mismatched

@louis ur version where u prepare it in editor is defs realistic

12:10

bcs then it's just on/off in the snapshot

12:10

it's basically like laser doors then

12:11

but we all know terraria 2.0 is a mod of ddnet

<ChillerDragon> opsi seems like i have a bug in my js somewhere

12:12

<ChillerDragon> webchat completly killed my firefox -.-

does it show wrong names again? xd

12:12

lmao

<ChillerDragon> thats always annoying

12:12

<ChillerDragon> lost all tabs and 2mins of my life

12:13

<ChillerDragon> ok then lets not put tile diffs in the snap easy

chiller isnt it super late for u

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u'll soon loose 8h of ur life

<ChillerDragon> its almost bed time for me yes its already dark for some time

12:13

<ChillerDragon> its 20:00

louis

but i dont see whats wrong with if simply re-sending all tile information in like a 10-tile radius to the tee if the client and server are mismatched

the problem is that tw has no meaning of chunks in maps so you would need to send whole map/map delta

<ChillerDragon> nah

u can use made up chunk and resend tile information for 10x10 around the tee

louis

u can use made up chunk and resend tile information for 10x10 around the tee

yep, map delta :p

<ChillerDragon> well i made it work for single tiles -.-

12:15

<ChillerDragon> that can be scaled bigger

12:15

<ChillerDragon> i am a bit skeptic about the network bandwidth

12:15

<ChillerDragon> but here a chunk could help

its not hard to implement, its problem of compatibility imo

<ChillerDragon> and then the client can use CCollision to patch the map file

yeah learn rust everyone

Holly hell, to this day I was drinking stupid juice, I thought that -1 in binary is 0b10000001

<ChillerDragon> id say compability is not in scope

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<ChillerDragon> louis wants doors

only entities? huh

<ChillerDragon> 0b10000000 is right no?

12:16

<ChillerDragon> cuz there is no -0

it's -128 xd

zhn

yep, map delta :p

oops i didnt read

<ChillerDragon> watafak?

12:17

<ChillerDragon> is that endianess moment or what

i thought 1 at beginning means positive

<ChillerDragon> nah 1 is negative

zhn

only entities? huh

then its easy, only problem is what if mapper changes something else (unless game entities i mean) aand prediction ig

<ChillerDragon> both working in my poc -.-

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<ChillerDragon> did you see the clip

wb changing quads

<ChillerDragon> omaagawd quads xd

chiller we both know that we need roblox ddnet

<ChillerDragon> but ye could be done in the same way

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<ChillerDragon> well yea could be cool but also ugly

12:20

<ChillerDragon> too many ppl with bad taste

chillerino dont you remember android mapping tool that was projecting directly onto server

<ChillerDragon> yes

we need like a physics type layer so u can put doodads on top of blocks that get destroyed when the block gets destroyed

<ChillerDragon> unsigned char poggies

12:21

<ChillerDragon> no we dont

ye sometimes i think ur unsigned char's second perosnality

<ChillerDragon> -the skill

12:21

<ChillerDragon> bro wrote gta from scratch

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> no we dont

we do

<ChillerDragon> Finally everything is working smoothly! Epic bot development incoming. Thanks to @Jupstar ✪ and @heinrich5991 for helping a lot. And everyone else for being my rubber duck during the last few days!!!

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<ChillerDragon> https://tube.zillyhuhn.com/video.php?t=hot_bot_hacking.mp4&u=chiller

for server side dummies too ofc

<ChillerDragon> may the epic bot development begin! @fokkonaut check out this poggies hot reloading

louis

the amnt of backwards compatability in this game is kind of insane to me

the amount of backwards compatibility in this world is insane, but without it, you'd have to change everything every year...

@Patiga was kinda funny tbh kek

kek

I'm honestly so confused, but it was hilarious at the same time

xd

Chairn

the amount of backwards compatibility in this world is insane, but without it, you'd have to change everything every year...

but it also depends on the software type IMO.. a game doesnt require it as much as a operating system.. a driver needs a stable interface, but the driver itself can be rewritten as much as it wants etc.

12:40

minecraft also has no backward compability really and still biggest modded game

12:40

in this case it would ofc be a huge change

12:41

but often breaking compat can also be as simple as changing a data type

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and simply recompile

<ChillerDragon> @noa @Patiga ?? xd

12:45

<ChillerDragon> is this some reply moment wat u talkin about

#general for context

<ChillerDragon> F

12:46

<ChillerDragon> when bridge #general

some kid ranted about moderators, and wanted help with blockers. he wanted to us to join voice chat to show us. during our chat he blocked multiple other players xd

pepeW

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<ChillerDragon> xd

12:47

<ChillerDragon> i could see my self doing something like that justatest

justatest

12:48

<ChillerDragon> thanks for briding patiga uwu

12:48

<ChillerDragon> block should be legal

:3

<ChillerDragon> banning block is so annoying

chiller go sleep

12:49

lol

<ChillerDragon> https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1716727476.png

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12:49

<ChillerDragon> deen spammer

nice ip leak

<ChillerDragon> justatest

justatest

its a vps

is that the ddnet irc logger?

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it often struggles xD

<ChillerDragon> oh no missing logs :c

use zwelfs discord logs

<ChillerDragon> it is deens main account idk which account he logs from but yea might be it.

they hotter anyway

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with reactions support

<ChillerDragon> hm

12:56

<ChillerDragon> tru i never use them xd

12:56

<ChillerDragon> they are not live right?

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> 0b10000000 is right no?

sign bit also retains its positive value into negative

i dunno how live they are

<ChillerDragon> looks like daily updates

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<ChillerDragon> but with my internet speed they are no fun

13:00

<ChillerDragon> the irc logs have better performance

Jupstar ✪

nice ip leak

now you know GER2's IP, congrats!

kek

2

Jupstar ✪

is that the ddnet irc logger?

Yes, I log from my normal account

deen

now you know GER2's IP, congrats!

Thanks, they call me sherlock for a reason

Jupstar ✪

Thanks, they call me sherlock for a reason

juplock

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sherstar sounds funnier tho

Hi guys

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Can i know how to create a Character from server

13:39

for example

check SvDbgDummies

in Wario Ware they have a cow

theres no default implementation of server side controlled player-character interface

zhn

check SvDbgDummies

where it is?

gamecontext.cpp afair

ty

13:40

i will check now

13:41

there is no SvDbgDummies at all

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in all code (edited)

so how can u do it?

It should be DbgDummies, no sv. But those are implemented in a very weird way. I don't believe there are any open source implementations of a serverside dummy done properly

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ChillerDragon was messing around with something of that sort. Perhaps he might have it public

<ChillerDragon> @Ryzen now you are working on another feature that is already in ddnet++ xd

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<ChillerDragon> and F-DDrace which is open source these days too

13:56

<ChillerDragon> deen using donation money to host his private irc bouncer!!! cancel him!

13:57

<ChillerDragon> no but fr deen any chance you could make your irc client more stable? c: otherwise i have to scroll so much ._.

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<ChillerDragon> @Ryzen if you just want a tee from the server its as easy as compiling ddnet in debug mode and using dbg_dummies config varibale

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<ChillerDragon> mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug .. && make && ./DDNet-Server "dbg_dummies 1"

huh

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can i know how

<ChillerDragon> if you want to also make those tees move goto character.cpp OnTick and do something like m_SavedInput.m_Direction = 1

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<ChillerDragon> i sent you the exact steps @Ryzen xd

i dont know what is f-ddrace and ddrace++ kek

kek

(edited)

14:00

i just want to do it my self

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from code

<ChillerDragon> and if you want epic hot reloading and unittestability for bot controls you can pre order TeeworldsBotLib today

14:00

<ChillerDragon> ah

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<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP

GitHub - DDNetPP/DDNetPP: DDraceNetwork + city + block! Based on dd...

DDraceNetwork + city + block! Based on ddnet (www.ddnet.tw) which is based on teeworlds (www.teeworlds.com). - DDNetPP/DDNetPP

14:00

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/fokkonaut/F-DDrace/

GitHub - fokkonaut/F-DDrace: F-DDrace is a server-side modification...

F-DDrace is a server-side modification of Teeworlds, developed by fokkonaut. - fokkonaut/F-DDrace

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP

can i have a link to the line with func which spawning tee lol

lol

?

<ChillerDragon> oh thats more than one function

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<ChillerDragon> i would recommend you to either fully use ddnet++ or F-DDrace or the ddnet dbg dummies

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<ChillerDragon> tbh all of them work fine

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<ChillerDragon> i would recommend against copy pasting all the dummy spawning code from ddnet++ or F-DDrace that seems a bit pointless

Learath2

It should be DbgDummies, no sv. But those are implemented in a very weird way. I don't believe there are any open source implementations of a serverside dummy done properly

ddnetpp (ddnet properly properly) xd

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no use mmotee server side character

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big W

<ChillerDragon> @Ryzen here is a 7 year old version of how dummies are done in ddnet++ https://github.com/ChillerDragon/ddnet-10.8.6-dummys/commit/2ac9bc2f15c045477fcdeb918d7dc5206faf5d43

Add server side dummies · ChillerDragon/ddnet-10.8.6-dummys@2ac9bc2

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<ChillerDragon> i don't recommend looking at it

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<ChillerDragon> for all my recent projects i just used ddnet dbg dummies and they worked wonderfully so far

they use same pool ordinary players use

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justatest

<ChillerDragon> u mean the client ids will conflict with dbg dummies?

youll have MAX_PLAYERS - dbg_dummies amount of free player slots afair

<ChillerDragon> oh yes

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<ChillerDragon> which makes sense to me

14:20

<ChillerDragon> if you want more than 64 tees you need to support more than 64 tees :D

you can support it easily

14:21

just disable collision for server side ones troll

troll

<ChillerDragon> lmao

14:21

<ChillerDragon> well depends what you need those tees for

thats why i proposed structure for pooo instead of macros

<ChillerDragon> thats how the monster mod did it

pool*

<ChillerDragon> and i proposed more than 64 slots and make dbg dummies non dbg xd

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<ChillerDragon> but ddnet maintainers don't want that :c

14:23

<ChillerDragon> ok now its bed time

14:23

<ChillerDragon> good nite

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Guys, excuse me, but I’m just a beginner and it’s hard for me to understand. Can you please provide a detailed explanation or, even better, a piece of code in which I can understand everything?

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owo

Unlikely, the thing you are trying to do isn't known for being very beginner friendly

гр

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yuh

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uh

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okay

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so

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how can i create a tee ?

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i nned this

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?

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and this?

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oh

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i think i found

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but it is an old version

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UHHHHH

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HOW TO DO IT lol

lol

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ws-client

<ChillerDragon> i would recommend against copy pasting all the dummy spawning code from ddnet++ or F-DDrace that seems a bit pointless

where i can find it?

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can u please give me a name of func or smth like that

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Iam so sorry for annoying

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Oh, thanks. I didn't understand shit. I tried to implement it in DDNET++ and it didn’t even compile for me. I compiled it and launched it, but for some reason my server is registered when it’s stupidly not in the config. And even after adding it, the server is still registered.

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I just cant launch a server on ddnet ++

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lol

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the best programmer on earth

It already works like a calculator but if calculators didn't support floats and had a performance of a brick

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hi, wondering if theres any way to implement my ddnet server into uptime kuma?

isnt uptime kuma just monitoring it? basically feed it the port and it gets what it needs?

meloƞ

isnt uptime kuma just monitoring it? basically feed it the port and it gets what it needs?

well yeah it is

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but how would i set it up with ddnet as just giving it the ip and port would just say always on

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even if the server is on

im fairly sure you can just ping the server every like 5 minutes to check if its alive or not

right but how

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these are my options

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probably push

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teeworlds servers don't implement ping

push just means that i call the uptime kuma url from ddnet (edited)

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is there a script that contsantly runs while the server is up? i could add the command to call it

@meloƞ are u find turkey host?

Шахид

@meloƞ are u find turkey host?

i have nothing to do with turkey-servers

meloƞ

i have nothing to do with turkey-servers

:(

meloƞ

i have nothing to do with turkey-servers

quick question, are there any scripts or config files that can run custom commands? (edited)

LuKron

quick question, are there any scripts or config files that can run custom commands? (edited)

what exactly do you mean with "custom commands?"

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if you mean remote access to send commands use econ

u did not read

http://192.168.0.243:3001/api/push/rl3wv29Hds?status=up&msg=OK&ping= i want to run that so that my uptime kuma web ui sees that my ddnet server is on

192.168.0.243:3001 is not a DDNet or KoG server.

he wants to run system commands from his ddnet server every so often

Ewan

he wants to run system commands from his ddnet server every so often

yeah this, but i believe it has to be always running for uptime kuma to detect its on

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similar to if i were to have it open in a browser

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it would tell me the server is on

Ryozuki

morning

gm

morning??

Hey i jsut updated from version 9 to 18.2, really nice new changes and the gui is way better now too. Good job

Naixn

Hey i jsut updated from version 9 to 18.2, really nice new changes and the gui is way better now too. Good job

you didnt update for 9 years - respect! XD

awesome

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android user?

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or just forgot to update

welcome in 2024

no i use windows and never updated, thought i was banned because i didnt find any ger server so i had to update after creating a ticket.

Naixn

Hey i jsut updated from version 9 to 18.2, really nice new changes and the gui is way better now too. Good job

XDD

EGYT

It seems like "replay" is acceptable for DDNet, as DDraceNetwork is, well, about races, but at the same time you can play not just DDrace with it... so confusing... Oh, yeah. Numbers. 69% (420 strings out of 607) lol

lol

No progress for today

At least I changed my profile picture. Still should find something better

Does anyone have a 0.7 skin svg template ?

ChillerDragon: nice that it works

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ChillerDragon: ger2 is paid for by me. no donation money

sa türk warmi

The Internet Archive's cost per TB, with 24/7 online hard drives, is approximately $2000 for forever.

interesting

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8400 Entities in the editor

the button that turns off the design, and add bg . (the same as in the game, but in the editor)

heinrich5991

The Internet Archive's cost per TB, with 24/7 online hard drives, is approximately $2000 for forever.

interesting

uh, there's no running cost ?

I think the running cost is factored in

2000$ per TB? damn, wouldn't expect it to be that expensive

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8401 some new stuff for mappers

I've played the FACTORIO a lot and here are a few things that would be good in an tw editor. ctrl+x, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, shift+scroll up/down. You can see it in the video. https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/assets/39918652/0a97f7a4-c179-4d0d-8b51-911073471bcc oh i forgot show ctrl+x but i think u know how it works.

The amount of pull requests have grown concerning, we should go through these before it goes completely out of hand

Learath2

The amount of pull requests have grown concerning, we should go through these before it goes completely out of hand

so pplz will create one big instead 5 small.It is even worse.

I think @Learath2 is calling for maintainers to go through the PRs

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I'll try to go through the PRs tomorrow

#8386 is quite interesting actual 1127695164: 01000011 00110111 01000011 00111100 expect 1127629628: 01000011 00110110 01000011 00111100 actual -514903197: 11100001 01001111 00110011 01100011 expect 3779998307: 11100001 01001110 00110010 01100011

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8386

Test Str.StrToInts fails in ppc64le · Issue #8386 · ddnet/ddnet

Building ddnet 18.2 in Fedora Rawhide (next version 41) under architecture ppc64le, Str.StrToInts fails with the output below (-v added). The build runs for the 18.2 version update for all architec...

It's one bit flips

is this a two's complement thing

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oh

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i didn't see the first pair were different

tbf I don't understand this bizarre encoding at all, "öüä" is just 3 bytes of utf8, why is it ending up in 2 ints? (edited)

why is it just the 16th and 24th bits

Learath2

tbf I don't understand this bizarre encoding at all, "öüä" is just 3 bytes of utf8, why is it ending up in 2 ints? (edited)

>>> len("öüä".encode())
6

python (and my internal UTF-8 encoder) disagrees

those might be ligatures

OH I had my encoding wrong on this stupid tool

äöü are non-ASCII, thus taking up at least 2 bytes in UTF-8 (edited)

python len measures bytes and not chars of a string?

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concerning

"chars" of a string is ill-defined

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but python does indeed measure something ill-defined for strings

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I asked for the length of a byte string though ("äöü".encode())

heinrich5991

but python does indeed measure something ill-defined for strings

for utf8 encoded strings

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for ascii encoded strings it's not so ill-defined

i think the foob is to have this guy run a test on an older version of ddnet

Learath2

for ascii encoded strings it's not so ill-defined

ASCII yes, "characters" seems simple enough there

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but in Unicode (irrespective from the encoding, be it UTF-8 or UTF-16), "character" is quite ill-defined

This test failure really makes no sense to me, did they re run it? Maybe it's cosmic rays?

not gamma rays

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probably this

I had a theory but that's probably not it

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Is adding 128 there even well defined for a signed char? (edited)

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I think it is because it should get promoted to int

there's "code unit" (byte for UTF-8, 16 bit-integer for UTF-16), "code point" (number between 0 and 0x10ffff, excluding 0xd800-0xdfff) and "user-perceived character" ("grapheme" in unicode parlance)

but idk maybe they are compiling with a weird compiler

fedora rawhide

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gcc

Learath2

Is adding 128 there even well defined for a signed char? (edited)

yes, it's promoted to int first

Learath2

This test failure really makes no sense to me, did they re run it? Maybe it's cosmic rays?

lets also blame this one on cosmic rays ^^ https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8172

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quakenet is still posting stuff to their blog: https://www.quakenet.org/news/375-port80se-delink

QuakeNet IRC Network - News - port80.se delink

QuakeNet IRC Network

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(they still don't support TLS btw)

First thing that caught my eye was that it only happened with unicode, I wonder if it is a compiler reading the file wrong problem

heinrich5991

(they still don't support TLS btw)

port80/"ip only" does give this impression

Learath2

First thing that caught my eye was that it only happened with unicode, I wonder if it is a compiler reading the file wrong problem

wouldn't be the first time i've seen that, i just always escape

port80 was just a sponsor, I think

Ewan

wouldn't be the first time i've seen that, i just always escape

or file encoding issue

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but i think git should keep that proper

Learath2

First thing that caught my eye was that it only happened with unicode, I wonder if it is a compiler reading the file wrong problem

unlikely. it's just bytes to the compiler

But there is nothing special to unicode that we do in StrToInts

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The only other entity involved is the compiler

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I can't spot any potential UB either except for the + 128 that sussed me out at the start

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There are some absurd machines with 9 bit chars that might break it but I very much doubt this would be the only test to break

(aBuf[0] + 128) << 24 this is UB

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shifting into the sign bit

Yep, damn

looks like it happens on 16 too

How did I miss that, I was thinking about why these things werent unsigned to start with but didn't spot that

i would have expected ubsan to find this

I don't know whether we run the test suite with ubsan, nor if we have the correct flag enabled

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We do run tests with asan/ubsan, I wonder why it doesn't pick it up

gamma rays

Patiga

lets also blame this one on cosmic rays ^^ https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8172

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that's interesting lmao

is there an intrinsic or builtin for packing bytes into a u/int_*t?

LOL after we run the unit tests with asan and ubsan, we don't check their output properly because we don't export ASAN_OPTIONS and UBSAN_OPTIONS....

professional

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unrelated but im trying to switch to arch/artix asap

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but i'm not sure what to do

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currently my OS is split across 3 nvme drives

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but my 2nd pcie 16x slot (which i plan to use for GPU passthrough) is switched with the third nvme slot due to pcie lane constraints

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so i wonder if i should just split my system across the first 2 drives and use the gpu, or if I should do what i'm doing rn and only use 1 16x slot

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problem is then i have a completely unused drive lol

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also still torn between arch and artix. have you ever had any systemd-related issues using arch repos on artix?

heinrich5991

(aBuf[0] + 128) << 24 this is UB

though I do find it hard to imagine what the compiler would emit that makes this happen, but would be worth fixing

Ewan

also still torn between arch and artix. have you ever had any systemd-related issues using arch repos on artix?

You'll need to be comfortable with getting your own init files sometimes as artix is a small project that doesn't always have it packaged properly

sounds exactly like what I want to avoid

Usually just a matter of getting it from gentoos repo

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Honestly, I'm not the best person to ask this. I would not have systemd on anything I own, no matter how annoying it is to not have it

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I would sooner code my own

is compartmentalizing systemd really so far from reality

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i don't know too much about its issues

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because i generally use its features

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all at once or not at all

Well things like init files are hard, since systemd in their infinite wisdom decided moving away from shell scripts is the best idea

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So any distro that wants to offer multiple init systems, has to offer a shell script for every init system ever, and a systemd unit file for systemd

but unit files can very easily wrap shell scripts

But then you can't use the fancy functions of unit files

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OpenRC offers the fancy features using extensions to the shell scripts in the form of annotations and functions, as it should be

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Systemd offers fancy features by breaking every other init system support, definitely not in an attempt to push out competition for world domination

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Anyway, only a few distros offers both properly. For distros that are small forks that remove systemd, you'll usually always need some manual labour to get stuff like init files

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s/offers/offer/

offer

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i think hating systemd because it works differently is silly

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maybe sometimes it's inconvenient but i think most of the issues people have with it should be fixed in systemd

There are many reasons I hate systemd, so many that it would take us hours

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So I'll give you the most important one. I don't even need to consider the others after this one. I ideologically disagree with this tumor-like development strategy and the resulting nasty monolith

I see

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so what makes you say that their goal is to "conquer" the world of init systems

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i think they made a project that was fundamentally different and naturally as more people used it, it grew

They made a project that was fundamentally different. Then they started a marketing campaign targeting distro maintainters, they pushed their way onto mailing lists

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They didn't convince the userbase, they just convinced fedora maintainers

were they themselves not fedora maintainers

(because Poettering literally worked at Red Hat)

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This is all disgusting backroom bs

if somehow the users were involved in the decision making process, things probably would have gone the same way, no?

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i think systemd hatred is a somewhat new thing

Not even close to being new, I was there when these people infected debian too

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There was always sane voices telling people the convenience was not worth introducing a million line monolith onto our computers

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But linux users are not fundamentally different than users of any software. Most users only care about convenience, nothing else

i think people will do nearly anything in the interest of time

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maybe distro maintainers could have staged systemd differently or offered an alternative version that still used sysvinit. but that's much more work

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and i think in the end most people would still want systemd

most people don't even understand what systemd is, let alone have an opinion

they can use more software, and very rarely have to mess around with init scripts and the like, even if it takes them another second or two to boot

that's exactly what they leveraged in their marketing campaign, a less transparent piece of software that justworks(tm)

i agree i don't like the way it is rn

systemd was faster because legacy sysvinit didn't parallelize well, that's how they convinced the ubuntu people

It can't be worse than sysvinit

systemd unit files were readily available and declarative, that's how they convinced the debian maintainers who were already struggling

Ewan

i agree i don't like the way it is rn

but I also don't think it's inherently flawed, if it was the same software package presented in a more modular fashion then people wouldn't have issues with it

poettering worked at red hat, that's how they got it into fedora

Out of all the software complaints I have systemd doesn't rank high But I'm not a demanding user

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