DDraceNetwork - off-topic

Imagine needing bot to play purple panic kek

TsFreddie

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LMAO imagine having food

06:17

(But ngl freddie) this looks like its straight from ad

cuz im a god tier photo taker

TsFreddie

cuz im a god tier photo taker

And the burger is not mashed into a pulp

TsFreddie

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That looks like an actual burger that hasn't been rushed

07:37

W

TsFreddie

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First time I've seen a burger that looks out of an ad and it's from a chain too

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Learath2

First time I've seen a burger that looks out of an ad and it's from a chain too

freddie already claimed it being an otpical illusion due to his superior, photography skills

09:02

You're all being fooled!

where is it from

CHINAH kfc

kfc has burgers?

You can tell by the KFC tissues, and chinah letters (+freddie personal data)

09:03

yes KFC has burgers in europe too

09:03

but asian KFC has a lot of random stuff too

clickbait name then

09:04

go into place named fried chicken and buy a burger lmao

cyberFighter

go into place named fried chicken and buy a burger lmao

no one calls it that

kentucky

well, they had burgers with fried chicken too, though this doesnt look like a chicken to me

BEEEEEEEEEF

Maaan, nonograms are really addictive

EGYT

Maaan, nonograms are really addictive

yes. i've played that for a few months straight before I decided i shouldn't

10:07

Every month I used to buy nonogram magazines at the store, but it seems like they stopped printing them, so right now I'm solving the last one I have

EGYT

Maaan, nonograms are really addictive

They are so addictive that my sleep is ruined, I go to bed at ~2AM

10:18

And also I solve them instead of doing anything usefull, so yeah, that's probably good that this is the last one

cyberFighter

go into place named fried chicken and buy a burger lmao

yeah i don’t get it

11:46

KFC = america food

11:46

i guess??

12:42

made this for fun today

Looks cursed as hell (edited)

12:54

i dont really know how to make proper characters

12:55

i copied the one in the middle of that screenshot

Still looks cursed

https://youtu.be/1SB5lMyPmuk

Hanzeyy Kun

here kitty you can have cheese burger

12:57

reference btw

kristepane (edited)

What was that interaction lol

Learath2

What was that interaction lol

u about upper one? here deleted part: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/968485530230743050/1242829631367938068

@potato-chan Didn't you get a warning about not making drama further?

Special individual, someone nuked him before I could though

Cellegen

@potato-chan Didn't you get a warning about not making drama further?

these were old messages before the warning bro

I can see the deleted messages, so no, its a lie

I don't like your attitude

Cellegen

I can see the deleted messages, so no, its a lie

its not

they were from before the warning, but that still doesn't make them okay

it was recent, an hour ago recent even.

heinrich muted me after i wrote those

heinrich5991

they were from before the warning, but that still doesn't make them okay

i thought they were deleted

they were. I can see them however

together with showroom ones

modified dc client

hackerman

13:48

But yeah, just don't talk shit and you're fine

13:48

no need to feed trolling

what happened

drama

ok

Cellegen

modified dc client

Isn't this against ToS btw? I'd be careful saying that

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I'm mostly using this feature for moderational purposes only, otherwise I ain't using any other plugin

13:50

Nor using any "unfair" advantages

You don't admit to it regardless greenthing

Cellegen

Nor using any "unfair" advantages

bro stop reading the messages i intented to not be read anymore

If I get banned for it, so be it

13:51

read my above message which intends the use of it

idc dude i dont feel comfortable with u reading my deleted messages

The messages about calling someone an autist?

13:51

I don't think it's that severe of a value

yes, i apologized about them and i dont like u reading that

13:51

stop it

Learath2

Isn't this against ToS btw? I'd be careful saying that

it's probably reportable

Learath2

Isn't this against ToS btw? I'd be careful saying that

it's bad that discord bans alternative clients though. but yea, prohibited by ToS

potato-chan

stop it

they are meant to be deleted and not seen by anyone anymore

TsFreddie

it's probably reportable

ye, it is.

potato-chan

yes, i apologized about them and i dont like u reading that

you haven't apologized to the person you insulted, have you? (please do it in DMs)

potato-chan

they are meant to be deleted and not seen by anyone anymore

Under the ToS, yes.

u r literally abusing my right to privacy

But as you can see, I ain't bound to that limitation yet, and not going to abuse it to do malicious things

im reportin u rn

I have my own reasons and it's use for it, you can expect other people to do other things with it

13:54

Sure, what would you send them? A message I wrote ain't going to be enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivvEDZw79dA

Jan Valta and Adam Sporka - Topic

Poverty and Famine

Cellegen

Sure, what would you send them? A message I wrote ain't going to be enough

They do ban people for their statements btw. That's why I was concerned. They banned people for saying they are young

They need definitive proof that I would be using a modified version of Discord, I could be making shit up as well and demand immediate cease in accuse

Cellegen

Sure, what would you send them? A message I wrote ain't going to be enough

if so, then it means there is no justice in the world

Learath2

They do ban people for their statements btw. That's why I was concerned. They banned people for saying they are young

Well their AI is messed up a bit justatest

13:55

I try avoiding getting myself banned as much as possible

13:56

but yet, to properly moderate in a community, such tools as seeing back deleted messages cannot be done by a Discord bot, since that is 100% against ToS and will get both the bot, and their creators involved banned

13:56

here, I'm not bound to their ToS, but still bound to the rules regarding my account when it comes to account safety

Cellegen

They need definitive proof that I would be using a modified version of Discord, I could be making shit up as well and demand immediate cease in accuse

no, they don't. they also ban people for claiming they're young

Cellegen

I try avoiding getting myself banned as much as possible

it doesn't look that way

They won't, unless you go to court

there are documented cases of that

13:57

not involving a court

Yeah, its in their ToS now, that you "cannot sue them"

13:57

unless you opt-out from their ToS

13:58

and if you are opted out, you are less likely to be involved with their ToS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgKX2k6snZ8

Jan Valta and Adam Sporka - Topic

Till Our Heads Turn White

also 3 years ago @Cellegen

3 yrs ago, oh damn

13:59

Eh, matter of fact, I ain't afraid to get banned. I got used to it here too kek

https://youtu.be/q-YDhSU4OwI

tardiobscurus

japanese math rock to listen while strolling around in the cherry b...

Dear Discord Support Team, I am writing to formally request a ban on a user within my Discord server for violating the community guidelines and my right to privacy. The user in question has been using a modified client to see deleted messages, which is a clear abuse of both the platform's rules and the privacy of all members in the server. Here are the specific details of the incident: Username of the Offending User: [Cellegen] Discord Tag: [cellegenrih] Server Name: [DDraceNetwork] Server ID: [252358080522747904] Incident Date: [22.05.2024] The use of modified clients to access deleted messages not only breaches Discord’s Terms of Service but also undermines the trust and security that users expect within the community. This unauthorized access to deleted content compromises our members’ privacy and creates a hostile environment where individuals feel their communications are not secure. I have gathered evidence supporting this claim, including screenshots and logs showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages. I am more than willing to provide these upon request for further verification. Given the severity of this violation, I kindly request that appropriate action be taken against this user to prevent further abuse and to maintain the integrity and privacy of our server community. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please let me know if any additional information is required. Best regards, [potato-chan] [potatochan0972]

14:04

@Cellegen i hope there is justice in the world and u will learn ur lesson

kinda funny to hear it from u

I don't think they will provide any severe punishment for what exactly?

Ham5terzilla (Макс)

kinda funny to hear it from u

i wont fall again to ur provoking

Accusations?

i sent them the screens where u claim u use modified client @Cellegen

14:06

i hope thats enough

surely

14:07

Your proof would be that "I told you that?"

14:08

As I said, I could make shit up rn xd

potato-chan

i wont fall again to ur provoking

idk, go to psychotherapist, or what. U started trashtalks, and I just found fun to discuss with u

Cellegen

Your proof would be that "I told you that?"

thats up to administrators to figure out if u lied or no

14:08

i just did my part of the job

Also your way of agressively reporting me is being considered harassment

14:08

which is against ToS

u r free to report me too brother

potato-chan

u r free to report me too brother

I just did, in the official way

14:09

gl

Please halt this interaction rn. It's very cringe

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Afformative

potato-chan

Dear Discord Support Team, I am writing to formally request a ban on a user within my Discord server for violating the community guidelines and my right to privacy. The user in question has been using a modified client to see deleted messages, which is a clear abuse of both the platform's rules and the privacy of all members in the server. Here are the specific details of the incident: Username of the Offending User: [Cellegen] Discord Tag: [cellegenrih] Server Name: [DDraceNetwork] Server ID: [252358080522747904] Incident Date: [22.05.2024] The use of modified clients to access deleted messages not only breaches Discord’s Terms of Service but also undermines the trust and security that users expect within the community. This unauthorized access to deleted content compromises our members’ privacy and creates a hostile environment where individuals feel their communications are not secure. I have gathered evidence supporting this claim, including screenshots and logs showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages. I am more than willing to provide these upon request for further verification. Given the severity of this violation, I kindly request that appropriate action be taken against this user to prevent further abuse and to maintain the integrity and privacy of our server community. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please let me know if any additional information is required. Best regards, [potato-chan] [potatochan0972]

L + ration + who asked

discord bots who log deleted messages exist aswell btw - funny interaction here!

Surely a privacy focused feature Aware

today i commited my first code on my job, i hope it wont break everything

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14:19

even if it will it's not my fault that some goober thought they can trust me

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meloƞ

discord bots who log deleted messages exist aswell btw - funny interaction here!

That's why we shouldn't use Discord - it's non-free and it's useds are... okay, enough Stallmanism for now (edited)

14:26

But for real, https://stallman.org/discord.html

EGYT

That's why we shouldn't use Discord - it's non-free and it's useds are... okay, enough Stallmanism for now (edited)

it also disallows third-party clients, which is the worst IMO

discord makes linux users install a new tar.gz or .deb file everytime it updates even though changing the build info in a .json file achieves the same result

Cammodude

discord makes linux users install a new tar.gz or .deb file everytime it updates even though changing the build info in a .json file achieves the same result

its a one liner in the .cfg or .toml or some file to have it update iirc (edited)

.cfg ?

nvm you stated it's json already kek

14:32

i should learn how to read at some point

changing this number achieves the same result as downloading a new discord install xd

I just use the web-client

(edited)

why do we even have to redownload the installer when discord can just change the build info ?

Cammodude

changing this number achieves the same result as downloading a new discord install xd

does it achieve the same? I'd guess it just pretends to the server that it's the new version while it actually isn't

after changing it itll function the same way as on windows

14:36

you start the client, it checks the version, downloads all required updates, installs, discord launches

I really wish there was something better than Discord

irc mentioned?

i remember around 2017-2018 the discord website said "its time to ditch skype and teamspeak"

MilkeeyCat

irc mentioned?

Not IRC, but Matrix.

potato-chan

Dear Discord Support Team, I am writing to formally request a ban on a user within my Discord server for violating the community guidelines and my right to privacy. The user in question has been using a modified client to see deleted messages, which is a clear abuse of both the platform's rules and the privacy of all members in the server. Here are the specific details of the incident: Username of the Offending User: [Cellegen] Discord Tag: [cellegenrih] Server Name: [DDraceNetwork] Server ID: [252358080522747904] Incident Date: [22.05.2024] The use of modified clients to access deleted messages not only breaches Discord’s Terms of Service but also undermines the trust and security that users expect within the community. This unauthorized access to deleted content compromises our members’ privacy and creates a hostile environment where individuals feel their communications are not secure. I have gathered evidence supporting this claim, including screenshots and logs showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages. I am more than willing to provide these upon request for further verification. Given the severity of this violation, I kindly request that appropriate action be taken against this user to prevent further abuse and to maintain the integrity and privacy of our server community. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please let me know if any additional information is required. Best regards, [potato-chan] [potatochan0972]

Q: What's the difference between logging a users deleted message vs taking a screenshot (and logs?) showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages?

murpi

Q: What's the difference between logging a users deleted message vs taking a screenshot (and logs?) showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages?

the latter is against discord ToS

heinrich5991

the latter is against discord ToS

It's not

Cammodude

i remember around 2017-2018 the discord website said "its time to ditch skype and teamspeak"

so perhaps the same thing will happen to discord itself ? itll become popular, coorporate greed makes it garbage, something else claims to be better and takes over

Using modified clients is against ToS but logging messages is not

from what ive heard all plugins are against ToS, its just that message loggers are also morally questionable

Cammodude

so perhaps the same thing will happen to discord itself ? itll become popular, coorporate greed makes it garbage, something else claims to be better and takes over

We are at the second step :juanchi_face:

murpi

It's not

but they admitted to using a modified client

heinrich5991

but they admitted to using a modified client

That wasn't their concern

The use of modified clients to access deleted messages not only breaches Discord’s Terms of Service

This unauthorized access to deleted content compromises our members’ privacy and creates a hostile environment where individuals feel their communications are not secure.

showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages?

this is against ToS

14:45

yes, they apparently also asked for other things like being able to see deleted messages, which is indeed not against the terms of service if obtained via a different method (edited)

heinrich5991

showing the user admitting to or displaying the ability to see deleted messages?

this is against ToS

Do you have a source?

14:45

I doubt Discord would even notify bots when messages are deleted (via the API) if it were against the terms of service

modified clients are against discord ToS

14:46

you can't see deleted messages without a modified client

14:47

it doesn't have anything to do with the ability to show deleted messages, except for the fact that the vanilla discord client can't do it

heinrich5991

modified clients are against discord ToS

Yes but reading their message that wasn't the main concern

okay. reading deleted messages isn't against discord ToS

14:48

but having a modified client is, which means that what Cellegen does is against ToS

allegedly

discord doesn't care, they ban people for saying that they're children

Cammodude

you start the client, it checks the version, downloads all required updates, installs, discord launches

interesting, I verified that this is correct for the 0.0.53 to 0.0.54 update on arch linux

You forgot about the problem with Discord itself: it saves deleted messages

(edited)

EGYT

You forgot about the problem with Discord itself: it saves deleted messages

(edited)

source? doesn't seem to be that way, because support allegedly can't access deleted messages

If modified clients can access deleted messages somehow, then it means they are not deleted from Discord?

EGYT

If modified clients can access deleted messages somehow, then it means they are not deleted from Discord?

no, it means the client doesn't obey the command from the server to delete the message

14:58

they can't (AFAIK) see deleted messages if they weren't online during the time when they were sent

That would be crazy if they could

heinrich5991

they can't (AFAIK) see deleted messages if they weren't online during the time when they were sent

We should ask Cellegen before he gets banned

I don't think it's possible but if it is im deleting my account and hopping on chiller's giga cool chat website

EGYT

We should ask Cellegen before he gets banned

Or, well, anyone with a modified client

install and checkout yourself

MilkeeyCat

install and checkout yourself

I won't install a Discord client ever again, even if it is modified

isnt a message logger nothing but a plugin refusing to delete a message on that client and instead keeping it in cache ?

heinrich5991

they can't (AFAIK) see deleted messages if they weren't online during the time when they were sent

i was using vencord with a message logger a while ago. You can even set-up notifications for deleted messages. I was able to see deleted messages while not beeing online through that

meloƞ

i was using vencord with a message logger a while ago. You can even set-up notifications for deleted messages. I was able to see deleted messages while not beeing online through that

Delete that asap, someone may report you

EGYT

Delete that asap, someone may report you

i dont care about my discord account really - if they were to lock it i'd just create a new one

meloƞ

i was using vencord with a message logger a while ago. You can even set-up notifications for deleted messages. I was able to see deleted messages while not beeing online through that

@MilkeeyCat it's time

meloƞ

i dont care about my discord account really - if they were to lock it i'd just create a new one

That's also against tos

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considering i reported someone for calling me the n word and a whole bunch of slurs in dm's almost 3 months ago, and they do so on multiple discords and they're still not banned - i'm not really scared of them picking me out of all things going wrong with and on discord really lmao

EGYT

@MilkeeyCat it's time

ig they can save it on their system but you cant just be like, hey discord gimme this and that message

use irc

15:17

whats said is on the history books

that's what had to be true for me to delete da account

if you wrote a message to the public, it stays to the public

meloƞ

considering i reported someone for calling me the n word and a whole bunch of slurs in dm's almost 3 months ago, and they do so on multiple discords and they're still not banned - i'm not really scared of them picking me out of all things going wrong with and on discord really lmao

Wanna hear something funny? I saw multiple people get banned for "anti white racism"

Learath2

That's also against tos

Why they have the quick account switch then?

Learath2

Wanna hear something funny? I saw multiple people get banned for "anti white racism"

The anti white slur of choice was ofc the delicious saltine snack

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anti white omg

15:19

what's next? super white?

Funfact, you cant find gifs of that saltine snack anymore on discord

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thats messed up

EGYT

Why they have the quick account switch then?

it's just forbidden to use it to circumvent bans

heinrich5991

it's just forbidden to use it to circumvent bans

Absolutely proprietary

15:19

Stallman is mad

if i were to search through all my dm's looking for the "n" or the german "k" word - it'll show me like 200 results

Torvalds is enraged

imagine being a food company that try to make the best snack possible, only to be canceled by Gen Z for "anti white" slur (edited)

n word: nigger. what's k-word?

kanacke

ah

EGYT

Torvalds is enraged

Raymond is fuming

what's the C word?

heinrich5991

n word: nigger. what's k-word?

kanue

15:21

‍♂️

15:22

only the boss here can say the n word

Cellegen

only the boss here can say the n word

Nuh

I wouldn't write any of these anymore btw. Discord seems to have outsourced moderation of these to an ai that takes into account the report count

Yeah their AI is messed up

AI is cringe imho (edited)

Ooooh, who remembers Clyde bot?

So just typing them out even in a discussion where it's not targeted to anyone can get you banned if enough people mass report you

basically free chatGPT bot

Hahahaha

Cellegen

Ooooh, who remembers Clyde bot?

clyde is still a thing or did i miss something?

@Clyde

idk, havent seen the bot anywhere

15:24

they canceled it fast

It gone

15:24

Absolutely 1984

15:24

ngl it was fun messing with that bot

was gonna ask if it's fun to stay in YMCA

I really don't like where this sort of ai moderation is going. It really gives off 1984 vibes and with how biased the ai training is it's really sad

That's why, Gentlemans and Gentlewomans, we should move the community to a free software solution

As in, they want their AI to moderate... for who? for moderators who themselves need to moderate?

Eventhough I agree with the direction of its bias. I wouldn't want a biased moderator ever (edited)

I hope they only use that AI on DMs

Cellegen

I hope they only use that AI on DMs

They say they don't monitor or index dms at all if you don't enable that filter feature

EGYT

That's why, Gentlemans and Gentlewomans, we should move the community to a free software solution

you can already join this channel from matrix

Learath2

They say they don't monitor or index dms at all if you don't enable that filter feature

so it's gonna be off by default? Then why would this feature help for newbies?

heinrich5991

you can already join this channel from matrix

#off-topic you mean?

EGYT

That's why, Gentlemans and Gentlewomans, we should move the community to a free software solution

Biggest issue is the network effect. I care, you care, heinrich cares, there are still 8 billion people on earth

EGYT

#off-topic you mean?

all of our public channels

nice

15:29

one less trouble for me

it should be on by default and get a notification that it's on. So that the more familiarized people can just turn it off and be done with it, while the newbies can enjoy being protected... by AI

15:29

oh.

15:29

Well.

15:29

Now that I wrote it out, it really sounds bad

Cellegen

it should be on by default and get a notification that it's on. So that the more familiarized people can just turn it off and be done with it, while the newbies can enjoy being protected... by AI

It's on by default, don't you worry

and no notification about it?...

15:30

or was it inside the Discord news panel?

Ofc not. Why would you tell your users that there is opt-out processing of dms when they already agreed to the terms of service

Scummy move from them

Top 10 reasons to use Discord: Thanks for reading

basically

EGYT

Top 10 reasons to use Discord: Thanks for reading

I can give you one. All your friends are using discord

Learath2

I can give you one. All your friends are using discord

I have no friends, only acquaintances and foes :madtroll:

This is why there is always a messaging monopoly on every country on earth with access to internet

EGYT

I have no friends, only acquaintances and foes :madtroll:

^

Learath2

This is why there is always a messaging monopoly on every country on earth with access to internet

maybe the EU will help

hope, or cope?

heinrich5991

maybe the EU will help

I'm unsure whether this would be a good idea tbf. I understand why it's bad, but the drawback is massive. Having to use 4 apps to message different people would be so annoying to the layperson

EU law> American law

Learath2

I'm unsure whether this would be a good idea tbf. I understand why it's bad, but the drawback is massive. Having to use 4 apps to message different people would be so annoying to the layperson

nono, the DMA requires large messaging apps to interoperate

Hm, now that might be nice

let's see how it pans out

Is it already law?

it's in effect already. but I haven't seen a third-party app communicating with whatsapp

15:36

https://developers.facebook.com/m/messaging-interoperability/

Messaging Interoperability | Meta for Developers

Enable users of your app in Europe to exchange messages with other WhatsApp users in Europe, ensuring compliance with the Digital Markets Act (DMA).

Hm, but it is in the best interest of these giants for no one to interoperate. Do you happen to know if the law forces them?

the DMA forces them to

15:38

yes

15:38

but only the really big messaging apps

Cellegen

EU law> American law

"""the land of freedom"""

eh. I mean they're forced to let others interoperate

Funnily enough facebook already owns 3 of the biggest

not to interoperate by themselves

heinrich5991

eh. I mean they're forced to let others interoperate

Hm, is it just any messaging app? Could a small one force whatsapp to allow interoperation?

whatsapp is forced to interoperate with anyone who asks

15:40

also a small messaging app

That's amazing. It's the biggest hurdle to enter a market like this IMO

yes, it's amazing IMO, too

15:40

not much people talk about it though

If I ask my friend to use signal with me, it would be much easier of a sell if he can also message all his whatsapp contacts through signal

likely not going to be implemented by signal though

Oh definitely, just an example

messaging gatekeepers identified under DMA: WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger

The only concern I would have left is whether there is any guarantee of the quality of the interoperation. iMessage technically interoperates with regular sms but it's so awful that there is actual active stigma against android users in the US

so exclusively facebook products

Learath2

The only concern I would have left is whether there is any guarantee of the quality of the interoperation. iMessage technically interoperates with regular sms but it's so awful that there is actual active stigma against android users in the US

must be the same quality as native. come on, that one is easy

I mean if the law doesn't state it I'm sure facebook wouldn't mind adding a shit emoji on the bottom right of any message that comes from outside their sphere

yes. but the law does state it

Perhaps a nice pop-up telling you your friend should install whatsapp instead

imessage is not identified as a gatekeeper in the EU, so they don't have to interoperate

heinrich5991

yes. but the law does state it

It's cool, seems the law was definitely written by people that know the complexities. Let's see if there is any new players soon

I'd like to see a single app interoperating with whatsapp

15:45

as a first step

heinrich5991

imessage is not identified as a gatekeeper in the EU, so they don't have to interoperate

Did you know that 88% of teenagers in the US use an iphone?

yes, it's insane. luckily not in the EU

here in EU Samsung dominates

Cellegen

here in EU Samsung dominates

Is it samsung or android in general? Idk the eu numbers

I think both, since all Samsung phones are Android

but with android it's not such a problem

yeah cuz they dominate the software side of that platform

you're saying it is a problem? what is the problem?

It's not a problem, Android is nice to have

15:49

Samsung too, they offer the older alternatives for a much cheaper prize than today's market

15:49

I say that is why EU prefers them more

If only RCS would take off and service providers would be forced to provide it instead of outsourcing it to google

would need non-greedy phone providers first

But honestly sms might be too far gone to salvage. Modern messaging apps are just far more capable

unlike the US counterparts, european phone contracts do not universally have unlimited SMS

Microsoft is adding yet another stupid feature to windows 11 lol