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<ChillerDragon> > though imo it would be nice to have

00:32

<ChillerDragon> @Patiga we had that. but heinrich asked me to remove it :c

Do we have some great ways to custom weapons image in mod?

03:48

thonk

03:49

I had tried to use skin, but as we know, Tee can't rotate

wdym

devs: should we disable voting in playground so players can't do fun votes and ban people for no reason devs: nah leave it like this

03:56

also devs: do you want a spaghetti ?

03:56

lmao :V

03:58

people: in 2024 - 2025 should we increase player count from 64 to 128 for popular game servers so all players can join and enjoy together ? devs: nah leave them on the waitlist and server full retries ... the stack is full

04:01

people: what do we do with lagging issues ? normal support: 1- restart your router 2- check your cable and settings 3- we send someone to fix it devs: add anti-ping option which literally make it more laggy by glitching the player positions every 000.3 seconds

Why do we still need to limit the max clients num on the network now? (edited)

are you talking to me ?

Maybe

04:03

But that a question for community

who said about limiting ? i'm talking about increasing / expanding the max players number

04:03

at peak hours popular game servers are full 64 players is from 2019

That's still limit

i mean just expand it to 90 or 128 if it will be a double up

04:04

the limit thing is just because the servers can't handle a lot of players at the same time

04:04

if that's your question

Jack Neklson

the limit thing is just because the servers can't handle a lot of players at the same time

The limit on server is right

04:06

But

04:06

the client limits the player num too (edited)

The collision code between entities is O(n^2)

We can see the mod developer use ID Map , like DDNet do for Vanilla 16 players clients

tbh i really hate ddnet devs i hope ai one day will solve this issues and we can request some features and it make it for us with no bugs or issues

04:08

but we have to wait like for late 2025

I think if we want to add some features that DDNet doesn't need, it's better to try to join them to Teeworlds.

04:12

Though Teeworlds is dead now

Bamcane

Though Teeworlds is dead now

yep

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

33371a6 A Sunlit Peaks - ddnet-maps

<ChillerDragon> i agree jack! turning off votes and increasing slots would be poggies.

04:56

<ChillerDragon> yo can someone send some brain. Could there possibly be anything wrong with this code? https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/sw

04:57

<ChillerDragon> i get some compile errors only in the macos pipeline when trying to inherit a constructor. I assume its the namespaces who mess it up. I have my classes in two translation units not sure if that is the issue.

05:01

<ChillerDragon> I never used anti ping but from what i was told it is really good @Jack Neklson One does not simply fix lags. Btw also one of the concerns when increasing slots is potential increase in lags.

<ChillerDragon> error: using declaration cannot refer to a constructor

05:14

<ChillerDragon> using CA::CA;

05:14

<ChillerDragon> https://github.com/ChillerDragon/CompileTests/actions/runs/9145251363/job/25144015292

Init · ChillerDragon/CompileTests@de7b3cf

Contribute to ChillerDragon/CompileTests development by creating an account on GitHub.

05:14

<ChillerDragon> watafak

Jack Neklson

tbh i really hate ddnet devs i hope ai one day will solve this issues and we can request some features and it make it for us with no bugs or issues

how about you become a dev yourself? Ah wait then you have no reason to complain anymore, and that's the whole sense in your life, understandable

kek

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Bamcane

Do we have some great ways to custom weapons image in mod?

only if you modify client too

But you know, not everyone will use your client to play mode.

Bamcane

But you know, not everyone will use your client to play mode.

there is an issue for that: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7296

Mod Support: Add support for server-provided assets · Issue #7296 ·...

The purpose of the issue to discuss and track ideas toward server-provided assets. It would be cool to have support for: server-side skins server-side weapons, etc (@VoxelDoesCode) server-side mapr...

05:59

dd-pg will have server side asset support

05:59

and it will release this year

justatest

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Bamcane

But you know, not everyone will use your client to play mode.

yeah, but you can't change weapon assets other way

hm

Jupstar ✪

there is an issue for that: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7296

Why don't we download two files, a resource file from server, a map file from server, then merge 2 file

what does the one have to do with the other?

06:32

ah heinrich said something about adding them to the map

06:32

well i didn't do that

ws-client

<ChillerDragon> error: using declaration cannot refer to a constructor

what c++ revision>

morning

Embedded image

good morning

07:19

i said 1 dota before bedtime

07:19

and had to wait for them to finish their game

07:19

now at 57 minutes

07:20

ChillerDragon:

07:20

which c++ standard

07:21

u dont specify in your cmakelists

AssassinTee

All questionmarks are solids where tiles are missing ^^ minimal automapper test map

this actually gave me flashbacks when I was working at my previous company

07:39

> company wants a ddnet rip-off mobile game > company also want user-generated-content > being a tile-based game natually we need a lot of tiles > managers and artists don't understand why we need more than 9 different tiles

07:39

explaining everything took me a better part of a month

07:39

justatest

xd

07:57

kill them all

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8376 add kill immunity for /practice

Dummy questions from the most simplest to the most little-known

*1. why can’t you control keypresses via copy (will the dummy release?) (not about cl_dummy_resetonswitch) 2. why does the cl_dummy_hammer command target the player, but not the cl_dummy_hook command? 3. how often does the dummy hit? (in ms) 4. why and what for does the cl_dummy_hammer command block dummy? (prevents you from moving, hooking, hitting) 5. why does cl_dummy_copy_moves work strangely? sometimes it happens that we are out of sync 6. why in the “control” tab there is only the “flight with dummy” panel? a strange question, there is already a topic about possible flights with dummy, for example shield fly, hook fly, but why weren’t they added if there are already commands for this, then it would be better not to add it, sorry, but it looks quite strange 7. How does a dummy find out the player’s angle using the cl_dummy_copy_moves command? this way you can make new commands (see advice 2) 8. Do the dummy and the player still have information about the viewing angle?*

For example: Dummy and I look at the angle 0.00 I turn 180.00 I turn on the copy -> the two of us look at 180.00 and then turn it off I switch to dummy -> it looks at 0.00 (watch video 1) adviсe:

*1. add functions cl_dummy_move_left | cl_dummy_move_right and cl_dummy_move 1 0 2. add functions cl_player_angle | cl_dummy_angle (0.00 - 359.99) 3. can I add a second or third dummy?*

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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

4e95f2b 4454 - def-

09:17

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

4714af3 fix - def-

09:18

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

ed36b17 scale image - def-

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Thats what i call a fix commit kek

kek

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"little fix - ignore"

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #8091 Exploiding bullet bug (visuel)

12345

Dummy questions from the most simplest to the most little-known

*1. why can’t you control keypresses via copy (will the dummy release?) (not about cl_dummy_resetonswitch) 2. why does the cl_dummy_hammer command target the player, but not the cl_dummy_hook command? 3. how often does the dummy hit? (in ms) 4. why and what for does the cl_dummy_hammer command block dummy? (prevents you from moving, hooking, hitting) 5. why does cl_dummy_copy_moves work strangely? sometimes it happens that we are out of sync 6. why in the “control” tab there is only the “flight with dummy” panel? a strange question, there is already a topic about possible flights with dummy, for example shield fly, hook fly, but why weren’t they added if there are already commands for this, then it would be better not to add it, sorry, but it looks quite strange 7. How does a dummy find out the player’s angle using the cl_dummy_copy_moves command? this way you can make new commands (see advice 2) 8. Do the dummy and the player still have information about the viewing angle?*

For example: Dummy and I look at the angle 0.00 I turn 180.00 I turn on the copy -> the two of us look at 180.00 and then turn it off I switch to dummy -> it looks at 0.00 (watch video 1) adviсe:

*1. add functions cl_dummy_move_left | cl_dummy_move_right and cl_dummy_move 1 0 2. add functions cl_player_angle | cl_dummy_angle (0.00 - 359.99) 3. can I add a second or third dummy?*

(edited)

@Jupstar ✪

@12345

@12345

10:09

@Jupstar ✪

nope

i am not the best dummy player

10:09

since u rarely need that in gores

10:09

ask in #questions

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10:09

@Jupstar ✪ crates.io has dark mode

10:09

https://crates.io/

nice finally

Jupstar ✪

i am not the best dummy player

these questions relate to programming, I think you relate to it

@Ryozuki do you know about https://crates.io/crates/rustls-rustcrypto

10:10

finally pure rust impl

no

10:10

but its pog

epyc

12345

these questions relate to programming, I think you relate to it

i never coded anything dummy related, sry

Jupstar ✪

i never coded anything dummy related, sry

and who wrote? I'm interested

i have 0 idea

Hello, could somoene tell me how is the kill feed (thing on top right corner) called in code? I'm trying to find the code that renders it / calls it / whatever but I don't know what to look for.

Jupstar ✪

i have 0 idea

just because of the 4th point, 30-40% of flys with dummy are blocked

Devinci

Hello, could somoene tell me how is the kill feed (thing on top right corner) called in code? I'm trying to find the code that renders it / calls it / whatever but I don't know what to look for.

killmessages.cpp

12345

just because of the 4th point, 30-40% of flys with dummy are blocked

ask those questions on #questions . Most of your points and advices are not needed as you can combine things like dummy copy with deepfly bind

Jupstar ✪

killmessages.cpp

Thanks!

was renamed to infomessages.cpp at some point, because it also renders finishes

Devinci

ask those questions on #questions . Most of your points and advices are not needed as you can combine things like dummy copy with deepfly bind

can you move and hit through the cl_dummy_hammer? if you think about it, there are many uses for such things

Robyt3

was renamed to infomessages.cpp at some point, because it also renders finishes

thanks x)

it should be renamed to action feed

yeah, that would make sense

i call it like that, but i asked gpt-4 for suggestions xdd

12345

can you move and hit through the cl_dummy_hammer? if you think about it, there are many uses for such things

No one uses that

Devinci

No one uses that

because it's not possible

And no, there are no uses for it once you get used to using deepfly bind

Devinci

No one uses that

rest assured, I know exactly how to use it

10:19

deepfly bind

Devinci

No one uses that

on RU most of what I said in a big message is very necessary, especially for experienced players I don't know how you looked, but I know most people who would benefit from this

dummies itself as a concept is very strange for coop play and its powerful as it is rn

Look, you should try talking to some really good dummy player (I am not), as I'm pretty sure most of those issues can already be solved. And imo dummy is already too op as it stands right now. this was supposed to be a coop game.

anything more than that is too op to add

Discussions about new Dummy controls are Kind of unneccessary, Heinrich stated already He wont give Dummy even more Power since its already way to strong as is

dummy is not that strong compared to the players' skill, it is even weaker, given the fact that it cannot be moved in different ways, this is the most important advantage of the players

12345

dummy is not that strong compared to the players' skill, it is even weaker, given the fact that it cannot be moved in different ways, this is the most important advantage of the players

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8275#issuecomment-2082901196

new control by TheNofis · Pull Request #8275 · ddnet/ddnet

Motivation: This pull request introduces new features that enable regular players to perform the same actions on a dummy as they would with their primary character. The motivation behind this enhan...

Dummy is already stronger than 2 players in some scenarios. And thanks god it's hard to master, I wouldn't want the 63 players server become 31+their dummys.

dummy is already an aimbot

10:26

isnt that unfair enough xd

Jupstar ✪

dummy is already an aimbot

big advantage over what? there's no point in it if he can't move himself, plus dummy doesn't have an aimbot for a hook, so it's all good

12345

big advantage over what? there's no point in it if he can't move himself, plus dummy doesn't have an aimbot for a hook, so it's all good

yeah but we speak about a script here a dummy is basically a script

10:30

if we make it more powerful we increase the cheat script

10:30

the game is about human skill, we should not make the dummy too OP

10:30

then it's not about raw skill anymore at some point

10:30

360° cursor is basically the hardest to master

Jupstar ✪

the game is about human skill, we should not make the dummy too OP

But isn’t dummy improvement about human skill? you have to move for two at the same time, it won’t do any harm, but on the contrary, if there are creative people, they will start doing... triple quinta fly with dummy and with a player in the deep if you don't overdo it, you can achieve the perfect balance so that the dummy isn't too strong here the boundaries are soapy, but here it is better to consider an experienced dummy player and 2 experienced players, currently two players have an advantage, the capabilities of the dummy player are too weak to do complex tricks. in a narrow area, dummy is just a replacement of a player by someone with a high ping, this is good, because people will play the game even with a high ping but in my opinion, there is a dead end between the average and high skill levels of the dummy player, because as I said above, the capabilities of the dummy player are too small

12345

But isn’t dummy improvement about human skill? you have to move for two at the same time, it won’t do any harm, but on the contrary, if there are creative people, they will start doing... triple quinta fly with dummy and with a player in the deep if you don't overdo it, you can achieve the perfect balance so that the dummy isn't too strong here the boundaries are soapy, but here it is better to consider an experienced dummy player and 2 experienced players, currently two players have an advantage, the capabilities of the dummy player are too weak to do complex tricks. in a narrow area, dummy is just a replacement of a player by someone with a high ping, this is good, because people will play the game even with a high ping but in my opinion, there is a dead end between the average and high skill levels of the dummy player, because as I said above, the capabilities of the dummy player are too small

writing a TAS is also human skill but it's not the raw playstyle anymore

10:39

if u think it's raw skill u probably only need dummy switch command

10:39

rest is your awesome human skill

10:39

Jupstar ✪

writing a TAS is also human skill but it's not the raw playstyle anymore

it does not affect the game in any way, because “time” cannot be slowed down in an online game

12345

it does not affect the game in any way, because “time” cannot be slowed down in an online game

but timing can be done by the dummy script

10:40

syncing input is completely overpowered

10:40

which 2 humans can do that?

I believe dummy is a bad feature to begin with and we should not add anymore adjustment to it before we nuke it somehow

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Jupstar ✪

but timing can be done by the dummy script

you can do the same thing through the program so that 2 players go through the map

@12345 i can also say it differntly: if you'd create a new game and add all your dummy ideas, that game could be really cool and enjoyable. but it's a completely different game then

10:42

since it has other requirements

~~you can do anything with code~~

10:43

when's the last time anything was added to dummy? (edited)

no idea

10:44

but there was some bigger change 1-2 years ago

Jupstar ✪

@12345 i can also say it differntly: if you'd create a new game and add all your dummy ideas, that game could be really cool and enjoyable. but it's a completely different game then

why do you constantly rely on the fact that dummy is already too strong? Isn’t it possible to make a balance between players and dummies, I don’t require that dummys can go through some map for me, I want dummy players to be able to play equally with players

12345

why do you constantly rely on the fact that dummy is already too strong? Isn’t it possible to make a balance between players and dummies, I don’t require that dummys can go through some map for me, I want dummy players to be able to play equally with players

how can u find a balance in that? can u predict the future

10:46

ppl will find ways to use new inputs in a overpowered way

10:46

also as said, i am not the best dummy player. discuss that with other ppl pls, or create an issue on github

honestly even if we think touching dummies' code is a good idea. you can't 100% sure we won't break anything that already exists

10:47

vibe

but personally i would fight against any dummy changes

10:48

cuz i still think it shouldn't exist to begin with

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Jupstar ✪

how can u find a balance in that? can u predict the future

Before adding an update to the game, you can create a beta test between testers

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i often see overpowered dummy flys.. so i feel like dummies are already overpowered xD

10:49

@cyberFighter how to know that u reacted without knowing it

10:49

i was confused about what that reaction means

Jupstar ✪

i often see overpowered dummy flys.. so i feel like dummies are already overpowered xD

yeah, that's so powerful!! it's time to remove dummy from the game

i dont agree with it

12345

yeah, that's so powerful!! it's time to remove dummy from the game

oh cool

12345

yeah, that's so powerful!! it's time to remove dummy from the game

i'd rather f3 that than give dummy more power

1000

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10:50

LOL

meloƞ

i'd rather f3 that than give dummy more power

so why haven't you done this before?

why should i - i dont mind dummy beeing here, but i do care about it beeing so strong a co-op game looses its co-op aspect

10:51

you cant join a stronghold server without beeing bombarded with people ego'ing with dummy showing off how cool it is to pseudo triplefly safe someone with ease

10:51

now do that with a normal player

dummy shood exist and shoodnt be changed

meloƞ

why should i - i dont mind dummy beeing here, but i do care about it beeing so strong a co-op game looses its co-op aspect

the game will remain cooperative if it has balance

adding more features to dummy will put dummy even higher, thus destroying the balance even more

meloƞ

now do that with a normal player

pseudo triple flying is ALREADY easy enough

i believe anything done to the game needs discussion and in the end the conversation will lead to nowhere and no change was made. this is basically how most thing goes here

gigachad

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10:54

but i do think discussion is helpful and needed. the thing is there isn't enough of us to reach any meaningful conclusion most of the time

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12345

pseudo triple flying is ALREADY easy enough

yeah no - you have people tripleflying with dummy with ease because of .cfg's, pseudo tripfleflying with an actual human requires perfect execution of both. the person down has to hammer perfectly while constantly aiming 180°, its even harder aiming in an angle (edited)

TsFreddie

i believe anything done to the game needs discussion and in the end the conversation will lead to nowhere and no change was made. this is basically how most thing goes here

if you sit in one place and do nothing, then of course the game will die, you need to at least give chances, make discussions between ORDINARY PLAYERS, not between moderators, not between noobs who don’t even know what dummy is

also admins already expressed that they do not want more dummy-related functionalities. so i can't see where this conversation would go any differently than it was destined.

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TsFreddie

but i do think discussion is helpful and needed. the thing is there isn't enough of us to reach any meaningful conclusion most of the time

that’s just enough, we need less empty talk like “the dummies are already strong”, we need to discuss this this conversation no longer becomes serious when 6 gigacids are attached to 1 message

ye but the discussion is already ended with #8275

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8275

new control by TheNofis · Pull Request #8275 · ddnet/ddnet

Motivation: This pull request introduces new features that enable regular players to perform the same actions on a dummy as they would with their primary character. The motivation behind this enhan...

there is no reason to discuss this since it was already declined by our maintainer's - we're just showing you why

meloƞ

yeah no - you have people tripleflying with dummy with ease because of .cfg's, pseudo tripfleflying with an actual human requires perfect execution of both. the person down has to hammer perfectly while constantly aiming 180°, its even harder aiming in an angle (edited)

no, everything is much simpler, I hope you at least tried to do this

Many issues on github is suddenly end because no one found a useful way to solve the problem

12345

no, everything is much simpler, I hope you at least tried to do this

i indeed am capable of doing both - but pseudo tripleflying with other people took me hours, pseudo tripfleflying with dummy took me like 30 minutes

no. many issues on github ends because they are bad issues

TsFreddie

no. many issues on github ends because they are bad issues

For example?

TsFreddie

also admins already expressed that they do not want more dummy-related functionalities. so i can't see where this conversation would go any differently than it was destined.

it depends on each player differently

there is no point talking to me really

TsFreddie

also admins already expressed that they do not want more dummy-related functionalities. so i can't see where this conversation would go any differently than it was destined.

ok, can I talk to the admin, find out why, what and how, otherwise empty messages like “dummy is already too strong” do not give anything

admins said no that that's it

almost 2 years ago - thats why what and how

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dummies should be restircted to dummy maps only owo

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pikasip

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As we can see, there's still some great futures in some issues, but they're always have problems with demos

Bamcane

As we can see, there's still some great futures in some issues, but they're always have problems with demos

heinrich asking how would one thing interact with demos does not mean it couldn't be done. everyone just see that and leave.

Bamcane

As we can see, there's still some great futures in some issues, but they're always have problems with demos

And they're end because of the problem

what people want is a proposed idea and steps to do it

11:03

if you can not at least manage that, there is no point moving forward with a fantasy idea with no plans and considerations

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imo ddnet should change their github issue thingie like other FOSS projects - if an issue doesnt follow the general rules they get declined (edited)

then people would start complaining about gatekeeping

12345

ok, can I talk to the admin, find out why, what and how, otherwise empty messages like “dummy is already too strong” do not give anything

@meloƞ

Hm

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8379 Force landscape orientation and hide title bar on Android

Always force landscape orientation to be used for the game on Android. Hide the title bar so it is not shown when starting the game. There is also a bug with SDL currently that leads to the title bar and status bar being shown permanently after minimizing and reopening the app, which is alleviated by hiding the title bar.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration op...

Just like they send, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7296

Bamcane

Just like they send, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/7296

This issue is end because of it's difficult to solve problems

is it?

We need both backward compatibility and some new features

all I see is a standard request to finish the proposal and the issue author failed to do so. you don't just go on github and demand things and expect other people to do it for you.

11:09

cuz the conversation really is just "do we have a solution for this, can we make this happen without major issues"

12345

@meloƞ

doing that with dummy is 10 times easier

11:10

okay end of discussion LOL

I think it's achievable, it's just a matter of backwards compatibility.

cool then finish the proposal

meloƞ

doing that with dummy is 10 times easier

can you complete Holidays 2 with dummy?

Bamcane

I think it's achievable, it's just a matter of backwards compatibility.

But that's the mod need to do

honestly it is not your issue i don't see why you would be so focus on that one conversation if the end goal isn't for you to take advantage of said feature where you are just getting from other people's work.

11:11

and i don't think you take part in that conversation whatsoever

12345

can you complete Holidays 2 with dummy?

there is literally a youtube video of someone doing that :D

I did not take part in that, but take part in similar one (edited)

meloƞ

there is literally a youtube video of someone doing that :D

link?

then why are you posting other people's issue

That's just a example

an example of what I've said. bad issue cuz there isn't really a proposed solution and plan

A more achievable example

12345

link?

somewhere in showroom, think its in chinese so i dont find it

Yep that's right

meloƞ

somewhere in showroom, think its in chinese so i dont find it

1 part?

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nah second

I'm trying to make a draft of it now, hope it won't be closed

TsFreddie

no. many issues on github ends because they are bad issues

now?

11:16

what have you been doing this whole time

11:16

it's not the first time I've been telling you if you need something done you need to push it yourself

Uhm idk

Replying to @Ewan which c++ standard

TsFreddie

what have you been doing this whole time

Did you say me? I'm working on LunarTee and a map

that's not what I actually asked but good for you

meloƞ

somewhere in showroom, think its in chinese so i dont find it

may be a bad example, but maps like this are difficult to complete, requiring different movements from two players at once

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

30bb9b5 Lost another 12 € because of Erenzy's refund - def-

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12345

may be a bad example, but maps like this are difficult to complete, requiring different movements from two players at once

They are difficult, not impossible. You can lok at Peg for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOyzdI-Hhj0

David Villa - Teeworlds

What 10.000 hours of DDNet with dummy looks like

11:23

And making these things easier would be extremely detrimental for the game.

@cyberFighter care to explain why horse?

11:25

cuz in chinese a horse as a reaction is really funny

11:26

i gotta sleep

gn

TsFreddie

@cyberFighter care to explain why horse?

idk

11:38

horse

TsFreddie

> company wants a ddnet rip-off mobile game > company also want user-generated-content > being a tile-based game natually we need a lot of tiles > managers and artists don't understand why we need more than 9 different tiles

xD the worst case is 2^9 = 512 tiles, more then a tileset can hold

11:39

not that I've ever seen a tileset needing all combinations

AssassinTee

xD the worst case is 2^9 = 512 tiles, more then a tileset can hold

we settled for some system that wouldn't require too many tiles but I forgot what it is

11:41

found it

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11:42

we used two layers and just make corners cover the tiles when needed lol.

I already can think of cases that you are missing

11:42

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(edited)

that seems to be covered?

11:43

don't let me boot up my project at previous company just to find out

don't, I will find more

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ah you cut a tile into 4 for this

oh

11:45

i see what you mean

11:45

it is not two layers then

11:45

it is as much layers as needed

11:45

justatest

11:45

5 at most then

here other cases:

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### # #
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11:46

yes. i digged out our old editor to check

11:46

thanks

now I am sure, that you have all

catxplosion

11:48

ye i did check. also our editor is automapper only

11:48

so it has to cover all of them i think

the map above has all cases if you really want to make sure

i think i had my own map to check before we went for multi-layers

11:49

i don't know if I can find my old documents of that

11:49

i'll try to, and we can see if we have the same number of tiles for single layer tiles

now make a teeworlds tileset that can do this (hard, not recommened, but possible)

i remember there are like a lot

11:50

if it is just one texture there are less. once you want grass on top there are so many iirc

11:51

i should install everything

11:51

i don't remember where the design document is, but i know it is an aseprite project

11:56

really couldn't find it

11:57

i might have deleted it

11:58

bro we've tested 3d ones before?

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11:58

i don't even remember

11:59

bruh the test document is wild

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11:59

how did I think covering these were a good idea

12:00

I think I liked the multi-layer approach so much that I just give up on the old idea and deleted most of them

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8380 Add support for server-provided assets

This is a working draft. This draft uses the design of the map-embedded assets in #7296

Why not to use a extra file?

As we can see, the DDNet maps is bigger and bigger since we can use HTTPS download maps. Also, I said, this is a working draft, so if this problem is too serious, we can change to other ways. But now, map-embedded assets is the best way. Now this draft support to play the server-provided sounds that embedded in the map anytime, as long as server needs ## C...

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

bc2492e Add UKR and RUS2 - def-

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there is bag i think (NaN on https://ddnet.org/funding/)

thanks, fixing

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

fba675d fix value - def-

wait, am I really the 4th person to donate

13:27

it says in chronological order right? (edited)

13:27

justatest

yes

13:28

gz

that is wild

That's how I knew you were part of DDNet since the very beginning

i guess that make sense HUH

HUH

HUH

TsFreddie

i guess that make sense HUH

HUH

owo

justatest

irc gets free nitro i guess

does irc getting editing messages

it double send edited messages

with my crappy bridge u can edit msgs from irc

MilkeeyCat

with my crappy bridge u can edit msgs from irc

Ohohohoho

13:37

Milkirc

nuh uh

13:38

deez bridge justatest

justatest

KEKW

KEKW

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8379 Force landscape orientation and hide title bar on Android

13:40

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05c8259 Force landscape orientation and hide title bar on Android - Robyt3 8a20f0d Merge pull request #8379 from Robyt3/Android-Landscape-Fullscreen - def-

TsFreddie

justatest

irc gets free nitro i guess

ye

13:47

u can post anything

13:47

i think

TsFreddie

bro we've tested 3d ones before?

would be amazing if u could play with parallax

13:49

instead of static tiles

13:50

ig harder

Learath2

ackshully C does not define an ABI

but there is a C ABI defined by the platform. @Ryozuki did not claim that the C standard defined the C ABI

Ryozuki

did we have trouble with ai prs and commits?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8223 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8267

Issue with Scoreboard Display Timing by Milliseconds in DDNetRaceNe...

There is an issue in the DDNetRaceNetwork where the scoreboard does not accurately display the order of users based on their finish times down to the milliseconds. For example, if User 1 finishes a...

Proposal for a New DDNet Game Mode · Issue #8267 · ddnet/ddnet

Thanks to @BlaiZephyr for the non-LLM summary: core idea: a new gamemode where Player's would be placed inside of a queue or lobby to compete on a short solo map (should take 20-25 seconds) for...

heh, true

meloƞ

i like this one:

This is a disturbing trend. The AI kids believe they can automate software engineering with AI chatbots yet they not even know what the software development process of software is. And they are very confident of what they don't have experience about

A call it the new cargo cult programming

I don't like this comment. it's trying to create a "us vs them"

Ryozuki

learn the sys v abi by memory

"Diana’s silk dress cost $89" — linux x86 calling convention register order

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #8381 Make chat message remember cl_message_client_color value

Description of cl_message_client_color behaviour:

using cl_message_client_color change the color of client message

executing two printing .cfg files with different color value in quick succession will print the two message with different color (exept if the two messages are the same, it will show "[2] text" with text in the color of the last color value)

when opening chat, every client message will be set to the last color value

when using different color value in the same .cf...

meloƞ

i like this one:

This is a disturbing trend. The AI kids believe they can automate software engineering with AI chatbots yet they not even know what the software development process of software is. And they are very confident of what they don't have experience about

A call it the new cargo cult programming

also I believe it's not really an AI thing. my personal experiences is that less experienced people naturally have a lot of confidence. myself had really high confidence of making a super epic video game when I was like 15, and my job experiences in my 20s proved me wrong. But maybe less experienced people + less experienced AI = double the confidence, who knows.

MilkeeyCat

ladies, gentlemen and arch users, what lib has this file? justatest

justatest

pacman -Qo /usr/lib64/libcrypto if you have the file or pacman -Fo /usr/lib/libcrypto if you don't (note the missing 64 in the latter)

meloƞ

imo ddnet should change their github issue thingie like other FOSS projects - if an issue doesnt follow the general rules they get declined (edited)

I don't like declining issues because they don't follow a certain pattern. what do ddnet issues miss that you'd like to have?

for example nix has these options if you start opening an issue: and these as their steps to create an issue:

### Describe the bug
A clear and concise description of what the bug is.

### Steps To Reproduce
Steps to reproduce the behavior:
1. ...
2. ...
3. ...

### Expected behavior
A clear and concise description of what you expected to happen.

### Screenshots
If applicable, add screenshots to help explain your problem.

### Additional context
Add any other context about the problem here.

### Notify maintainers

<!--
Please @ people who are in the `meta.maintainers` list of the offending package or module.
If in doubt, check `git blame` for whoever last touched something.
-->

### Metadata
Please run `nix-shell -p nix-info --run "nix-info -m"` and paste the result.

console [user@system:~]$ nix-shell -p nix-info --run "nix-info -m" output here

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what part of that issue template is interesting to you?

a simple one that helps with readability i'd say

I'm not sure I understand what you mean

15:23

let's take the newest issue:

15:23

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/8381

heinrich5991

pacman -Qo /usr/lib64/libcrypto if you have the file or pacman -Fo /usr/lib/libcrypto if you don't (note the missing 64 in the latter)

I just had to remove files from build

15:24

Xd

sorry if i am not clear enough ^^ while the latest one is indeed greatly structured having choices that pre-define the issue structure would be great qol imo a bug report should always have these things: a description steps to reproduce expected behaviour (if not obvious) screenshots if necessary and additional context having an issue that just says "cl_overlay_entities is bugged" forces someone to kindly ask for more context (edited)

can't find "cl_overlay_entities is bugged"

15:27

was it made up?

that was an example and not related to an existing issue

hm

15:28

what I want to say is: I'd like to only introduce more bureaucracy if we have a problem that needs solving

15:28

do we have a problem that needs solving?

15:29

if we add an issue template (and especially if we tell people we'll close issues that don't follow it), we're causing other people more work

15:29

(so we should have a good reason to put more work onto people who already want to take the time to report a bug to us)

i dont have any additional "good reasons" - i just proposed it with my own opinion in mind - if you dont want that that's totally fine ^^

yea, then I'd prefer not to do that, due to the above reasons

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heinrich5991

if we add an issue template (and especially if we tell people we'll close issues that don't follow it), we're causing other people more work

Well depends, if the issue is not well self explained, that's also more work for people, waiting the OP to detail more

yes, true

16:13

but we're the ones interested in bug reports, I'd say, we'd like to find out that our software has a bug

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8382 Fix performance regression in copy_fix.py

See https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/8371#discussion_r1606048742

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan o...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #8383 Revert "Always clear window with black color instead of background color

This reverts commit caa062c88c4a103513c1728648acba344e1db93d. As this decreased FPS and caused the background quad to be rendered twice when using a map background in entities mode.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of ...

I have a question are those dragging laser deterministic, will they always works the same, give the same position?

how can i get the background as image?

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@Patiga is this intended? (twgpu-map-photograpy)

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7905 Editor - Envelope menu issue

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2988 Adjust directory trasversal - (Replacing DIR data type, from <dirent.h>, data type in system.c)

MilkeeyCat

@Patiga is this intended? (twgpu-map-photograpy)

could you send me the map?

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #7332 multispec issue

I don't really get the question, are the tiles layers missing, is the black thingy wrong?

the black void on the left

and try out the branch new-approach

heavens_day.map

5.07 KB

thanks for the report, I'll check it out :)

Patiga

and try out the branch new-approach

please try out this branch though

im doing this rn

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5801 Creating server.

MilkeeyCat

@Patiga is this intended? (twgpu-map-photograpy)

looks super weird, I have no idea so far what could cause this

maybe my skill issues

@MilkeeyCat how did you obtain the map?

from ddnet github :p

link?

i pulled just this evening

Patiga

please try out this branch though

how to use? xd

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darn I dislike that rust prints debug instead of display on panics

ah yeah some map uses ddnet mapres as external

20:01

i also noticed that when i wrote my converter

MilkeeyCat

how to use? xd

in the previous version you specified the mapres path, now it tries to find the path on its own. either install ddnet with a packet manager or via steam, or create a data directory in your current working directory or next to the binary

Jupstar ✪

ah yeah some map uses ddnet mapres as external

hm sure? twmap errors in such cases, all official ddnet maps should be clean

Patiga

hm sure? twmap errors in such cases, all official ddnet maps should be clean

it's a theme map

20:02

not a playable map

ah, that error is from not finding the mapres directory though

MilkeeyCat

@Patiga is this intended? (twgpu-map-photograpy)

i meant this

20:03

could be related

ah good point

20:04

there are only normal external mapres though, sun and our beloved clouds

mnh maybe it was autumn day then

20:04

then nvm

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fd4f61e Fix performance regression in copy_fix.py - Robyt3 b94dfc5 Merge pull request #8382 from Robyt3/Scripts-CopyFix-Performance-Regression - heinrich5991

20:05

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8382 Fix performance regression in copy_fix.py

Patiga

there are only normal external mapres though, sun and our beloved clouds

new approach works :DD

heartw

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solved I guess

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c0a6f5a Revert "Always clear window with black color instead of background color" - Robyt3 08a8680 Merge pull request #8383 from Robyt3/Graphics-Clear-Revert - Jupeyy

20:22

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #8383 Revert "Always clear window with black color instead of background color

So, someone told me that this channel is a better place for my progress on translation (correct me if I'm wrong). Today (19.05.2024) I translated, like, 4 strings, two of them being from the load screen, one being the chat and one... can't remember, actually. At least now I have (probably?) fully translated load screen. And yeah, I made it so it says something like "[We are] doing something" instead of "doing something", feels a bit more personal imo. Should get some

speakers to look at it, if it is not cringe... but I'm too shy to do that :^( UPD: forgot to mention: translated "Tutorial" as "Посібник" ("manual", sort of) and "Learn" as "Wiki". Sometimes you have to improvise to fit into the character limits! (edited)

how do i “group” maps in my server by difficulty

nvm i just redownloaded it

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